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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: strk on April 21, 2004, 08:02:43 PM
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0421041kerry2.html
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Okay...Kerry is my HERO :D
feel better? :aok
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he's my "war hero" too :)
LANDSLIDE BUSH !!!
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So strk, you want a murderer for president?
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I think the GOP is gonna regret making his records an issue
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Request_For_Swiftboat_Duty.pdf
(Kerry's REQUEST to go to Nam and serve on Swift Boats)
Compare Bush* assignment records - checked "do not volunteer for overseas"
http://discover.npr.org/photo_gallery/photo_gallery_display.jhtml?gallery=1676511
On Feb. 28, 1969, Kerry's craft and two other boats came under heavy fire from the riverbanks. Kerry ordered his units to turn into the ambush and sent men ashore to charge the enemy. According to the records, an enemy soldier holding a loaded rocket launcher sprang up within 10 feet of Kerry's boat and fled. Kerry leapt ashore, ran down the man and killed him.
Kerry and his men chased or killed all the enemy soldiers in the area, captured enemy weapons and then returned to the boat only to come under fire from the opposite bank as they began to pull away. Kerry again beached his boat and led a party ashore to pursue the enemy, and they successfully silenced the shooting. Later, the boats were again under fire, but Kerry initiated a heavy response that killed 10 Viet Cong and wounded another with no casualties to his own men.
He won the Silver Star "for gallantry and intrepidity in action" that day. Two weeks later, Kerry was engaged in another fire fight that resulted in a Bronze Star for heroic achievement and the third Purple Heart that would result in his reassignment out of Vietnam.
Kerry was commanding one of five boats on patrol on March 13, 1969, when two mines detonated almost simultaneously -- one beneath another boat and one near Kerry's craft. Shrapnel hit Kerry's buttocks, and his right arm was bleeding from contusions, but he rescued a boatmate who had been thrown overboard in the blast and was under sniper fire from both banks. Kerry then directed his crew to return to the other damaged craft and tow it to safety.
In April 1969, Kerry was sent stateside to the Military Sea Transportation Service, U.S. Atlantic Fleet, in Brooklyn, N.Y. On Nov. 21, 1969, Kerry requested that he be released from his commitment to serve actively until August 1970 so that he could run for Congress.
He was promoted to full lieutenant on Jan. 1, 1970, and soon after was discharged from active duty and became a reservist.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Kerry-Purple-Hearts.html?hp
no doubt Kerry was a badass back in the day
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
So strk, you want a murderer for president?
IMHO we already have that
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Kerry's Military Record (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114652)
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SYSTEM: You have shot down Ripsnort #20
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Originally posted by Drunky
Kerry's Military Record (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114652)
Where did this Lt Cmdr serve with Kerry? On the Gridley? He surely wasnt the skipper of a frigate as Lt Cmdr. He may have been a DivO or XO maybe and served with Kerry while Kerry was a junior officer on the same ship
The actual record speaks for itself, not someone - with motives unknown at this time - who wants to criticize him when he is running for president.
classic red herring. Ignore the other 2 purple hearts, the fact that he volunteered for Nam and that he won the SIlver Star
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I just think that your championing for Kerry is quite silly. Especially with your borderline fanaticism with hating Bush.
I believe that you hate Bush so much that you would vote for a potted plant before Bush and claim that the plant is more qualified/has better service record/smells better/doesn't lie/doesn't alternately raise and lower oil prices/didn't ruined the economy/and doesn't choke on pretzels.
You aren't one of those people that really believe that Clinton was responsible for the economy and that he 'didn't have sex with that woman' and if he did 'it was his own business' do you?
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Originally posted by Drunky
I just think that your championing for Kerry is quite silly. Especially with your borderline fanaticism with hating Bush.
I believe that you hate Bush so much that you would vote for a potted plant before Bush and claim that the plant is more qualified/has better service record/smells better/doesn't lie/doesn't alternately raise and lower oil prices/didn't ruined the economy/and doesn't choke on pretzels.
You aren't one of those people that really believe that Clinton was responsible for the economy and that he 'didn't have sex with that woman' and if he did 'it was his own business' do you?
lol the Plant WOULD be better as president! I bet it wouldnt start a single war on faulty intelligence or whatever they are blaming nowadays.
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"The government is best which governs least."
-- Thomas Jefferson
Plant = teh win.
Yes, over Kerry too.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
"The government is best which governs least."
-- Thomas Jefferson
Plant = teh win.
Yes, over Kerry too.
Jefferson was a states right advocate. No strong central government, etc.
In some ways I agree. In some ways I disagree. Granted I'm more republican than democrate but I'm also more liberal than conservative.
I call bullshiiiit when I see it. I don't think that GW is the greatest president of all times. Which one really is? (That is a rhetorical question)
But I don't think he's that bad that people have to obsess over his removal. Jeezus, Clinton was a moral scumbag (proven) but then GW is compared to Hitler (unproven). I don't get that.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
So strk, you want a murderer for president?
ROFLMAO It took twenty thousand posts but Ripsnort finally made me spew beer out of my nose... only thing better would be if he'd called Kerry a "Baby Killer."
WTG Rip, I <> you. And in spite of your political leanings teach your kid to bat left handed- he'll go further. :D
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To watch people grasp at any straw to attack Kerry's distinguished war record while defending Bush's lack of... well, any kind of war record whatsoever...
Help me here.... I can't think of any word to describe it.
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Originally posted by strk
I think the GOP is gonna regret making his records an issue
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Request_For_Swiftboat_Duty.pdf
(Kerry's REQUEST to go to Nam and serve on Swift Boats)
Compare Bush* assignment records - checked "do not volunteer for overseas"
http://discover.npr.org/photo_gallery/photo_gallery_display.jhtml?gallery=1676511
On Feb. 28, 1969, Kerry's craft and two other boats came under heavy fire from the riverbanks. Kerry ordered his units to turn into the ambush and sent men ashore to charge the enemy. According to the records, an enemy soldier holding a loaded rocket launcher sprang up within 10 feet of Kerry's boat and fled. Kerry leapt ashore, ran down the man and killed him.
Kerry and his men chased or killed all the enemy soldiers in the area, captured enemy weapons and then returned to the boat only to come under fire from the opposite bank as they began to pull away. Kerry again beached his boat and led a party ashore to pursue the enemy, and they successfully silenced the shooting. Later, the boats were again under fire, but Kerry initiated a heavy response that killed 10 Viet Cong and wounded another with no casualties to his own men.
He won the Silver Star "for gallantry and intrepidity in action" that day. Two weeks later, Kerry was engaged in another fire fight that resulted in a Bronze Star for heroic achievement and the third Purple Heart that would result in his reassignment out of Vietnam.
Kerry was commanding one of five boats on patrol on March 13, 1969, when two mines detonated almost simultaneously -- one beneath another boat and one near Kerry's craft. Shrapnel hit Kerry's buttocks, and his right arm was bleeding from contusions, but he rescued a boatmate who had been thrown overboard in the blast and was under sniper fire from both banks. Kerry then directed his crew to return to the other damaged craft and tow it to safety.
In April 1969, Kerry was sent stateside to the Military Sea Transportation Service, U.S. Atlantic Fleet, in Brooklyn, N.Y. On Nov. 21, 1969, Kerry requested that he be released from his commitment to serve actively until August 1970 so that he could run for Congress.
He was promoted to full lieutenant on Jan. 1, 1970, and soon after was discharged from active duty and became a reservist.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Kerry-Purple-Hearts.html?hp
no doubt Kerry was a badass back in the day
After that, he single handedly charged into Hanoi with an M-16 in each hand, guns blazing Rambo style, taking out rows and rows of VC with every block until he finally came upon Ho Chi Mihn and decapitated him with one blow, leaving the city with his head on a pike. - Excerpt from "How John Kerry Singlehandedly Won the Vietnam War"
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by strk
no doubt Kerry was a badass back in the day
Wow, I guess by that rationale, Jesse Ventura should be elected King of the World long before November.
Kerry's badassness was eclipsed by thousands of men, officially or unofficially. Potency in battle, which Kerry may or may not have had, means nothing in the political arena.
He's a crappy politician with views and goals that will hurt this nation. Socialism has no place here, except to alienate the very people that drive this nation forward.
Moreover, as mentioned before, he's entirely too ugly to appear on TV any more than he is appearing now.
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Whatever you think of his politics, there is no question about his War Record. He did his job and then some.
If it was Celebrity Deathmatch, Kerry would gut Bush like a hog.
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Mind if I paraphrase?
"Well okay, fine, he might have been a badass out there but DAMN is he ever ugly!"
:)
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Originally posted by rpm371
Whatever you think of his politics, there is no question about his War Record. He did his job and then some.
If it was Celebrity Deathmatch, Kerry would gut Bush like a hog.
Gee, and here I thought this election was about his politics.
If this were Celebrity Deathmatch, McCaine would F Kerry in the nose with his big toe... Where's he in this election?
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Originally posted by Nash
Mind if I paraphrase?
"Well okay, fine, he might have been a badass out there but DAMN is he ever ugly!"
War is not pretty. ;)
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McCaine?
The victim of Bush's BS in the last election.
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I don't get it, are you electing a president or a war veteran?
What does Kerry's 4 month tour have to do with his ability to maintain and/or improve our standard of living?
Personally, I'd rather elect a disembodied head that can lower taxes and keep us comfortable rather than a fully-functioning socialist.
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McCain is not running against the sitting President from his own party. BUT, there is a rumor floating around that Kerry will name McCain as his VP. It's a great fantasy because they are good friends and work well together. Having a President and Vice President from different parties has happened before.
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Originally posted by Nash
Mind if I paraphrase?
"Well okay, fine, he might have been a badass out there but DAMN is he ever ugly!"
:)
He was no badass, ever. Out there or in here or wherever. Like I said, thousands of guys eclipsed him, and never took it upon themselves to ***** and moan about it publically when they came back. I've known veterans that make Kerry look like a Cabbage Patch kid, and yet, for some reason, none of them have ever seen this as something upon which to base a political campaign.
He's a poor politician, pandering the lowest common denominator and appealing to everything that bogs this nation down. If he gets elected, a step down for the US.
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Okay, but just don't do anything stupid, man. We're here.
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Originally posted by Nash
Okay, but just don't do anything stupid, man. We're here.
Where did you find that emoticon?
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Where did you find that emoticon?
Neat huh?
Found it through a google search on "invisible".
Cool thing is that I can make it appear at whim.
Ready?
SHOW YOURSELF!
:aok
Thattaboy.
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I think what most of you are missing is the strategy involved in the release of his military records.
He couldn't release them before without being called a braggart and a little sandbaggibg in releasing them setup the right for a disappointment brought on by their own hunger for dirt.
Great campaign strategy I'd say.
To top it off, he's released a full accounting of his contacts with lobbyists going back to 1989...how's that for an example of a canidate that will bring accountability and openess back to the Whitehouse?
Both these ploys highlite the same difference between the two canidates, accountability for ones actions.
Another topper is that Kerry is now considering the release of his wifes tax info....I just bet he'll wait until the rabid dogs are frothing at the mouth before he feeds them another bellyache...hehehehe
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Originally posted by Nash
To watch people grasp at any straw to attack Kerry's distinguished war record while defending Bush's lack of... well, any kind of war record whatsoever...
Help me here.... I can't think of any word to describe it.
It's desperation, I still think we should put together a support group for our more um right leaning compadre's if Kerry wins - several may go into a severe decline and the cutting and pasting would hit all time records
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The weeks and months after Kerry wins the election is gonna be a nightmare here and Skuzzy is gonna be the man we are gonna have to support _Schadenfreude_
:p
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
It's desperation, I still think we should put together a support group for our more um right leaning compadre's if Kerry wins - several may go into a severe decline and the cutting and pasting would hit all time records
Boeing will experience a severe work slow down.
Ready?
:aok
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Boeing will experience a severe work slow down.
If elected, we're pretty sure Kerry will kill the pending 767 tanker deal. He'd rather give that money to people who would rather drink beer and fish than actually work for a living.
The union is in quite a quandry over this. It supported Gephart, but he fell out. Now the choice is a republican (gasp), or supporting a guy who will not help the membership. For once, the IAM is keeping it's mouth shut.:p
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
I don't get it, are you electing a president or a war veteran?
BOTH!
Originally posted by Capt. Pork
What does Kerry's 4 month tour have to do with his ability to maintain and/or improve our standard of living?
4 month tour? trying to smear him with that, huh? That was his SECOND tour, on a swift boat. The first tour was on a frigate.
Very revealing that his ability to maintain your standard of living is #1 concern. You want a few more hundred in tax cuts?
Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Personally, I'd rather elect a disembodied head that can lower taxes and keep us comfortable rather than a fully-functioning socialist.
I suggest that Bush's disembodied head would do a better job.
Even more revealing. Your taxes and your comfort. I wonder where the welfare of your nation and its military falls in your priorities.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
He was no badass, ever. Out there or in here or wherever. Like I said, thousands of guys eclipsed him, and never took it upon themselves to ***** and moan about it publically when they came back. I've known veterans that make Kerry look like a Cabbage Patch kid, and yet, for some reason, none of them have ever seen this as something upon which to base a political campaign.
He's a poor politician, pandering the lowest common denominator and appealing to everything that bogs this nation down. If he gets elected, a step down for the US.
I find this Kerry hate to be unamerican and distasteful. Do you hate all our veterans? Why do you hate America?
Fact is Kerry risked what he had to stand up for what he knew is right. Bush* acts entirely in his own self interest, by comparison
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Originally posted by strk
I find this Kerry hate to be unamerican and distasteful. Do you hate all our veterans? Why do you hate America?
Fact is Kerry risked what he had to stand up for what he knew is right. Bush* acts entirely in his own self interest, by comparison
omg - wrong on both counts
bout 180 degrees wrong at that - LOL
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You GOP puppets are quite entertaining in your hypocrisy. If it was the other way around, the dem candidate would be a coward, a draft dodger etc. etc.
Clinton did it, GWB did it too, only smarter...
And if Kerry would've been a Republican you people would drool all over his war records and would rub it in any democrat's face you could find in the near and not so near vicinity.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by rpm371
Boeing will experience a severe work slow down.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl RPM!
It can be argued forever who would be best Prez between Kerry and Bushman26, but if the country has to go to war I prefer to follow a leader who've already heard bullets zip past his ears.
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LOL, i just found out that Kerry did not only spend some years of his youth in Norway but he is also related to our King
LANDSLIDE KERRY !!!
:D
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WHAT!! A U.S. CANDIDATE WITH EURO ROOTS!!!! :eek:
BURN HIM!!!!
:lol
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The sad part is if Kerry wins, the cluster **** he will inherit in messO-patamia... If trends continue, the country will probably be about to implode by the presidential elections. Kerry will be blamed for whatever happens.. Thats when these boards will get bad...
dude
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Originally posted by AKWeav
If elected, we're pretty sure Kerry will kill the pending 767 tanker deal. He'd rather give that money to people who would rather drink beer and fish than actually work for a living.
Leave Udie out of this. :mad:
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Originally posted by Nash
Neat huh?
Found it through a google search on "invisible".
Cool thing is that I can make it appear at whim.
Ready?
SHOW YOURSELF!
:aok
Thattaboy.
I spaced completely. Long day. What I meant was the girls on the avatar.
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Originally posted by strk
I find this Kerry hate to be unamerican and distasteful. Do you hate all our veterans? Why do you hate America?
Actually, I love this country. Moreso than the likes of you will ever understand. Unlike you, I've actually lived behind the Iron curtain and can therefore appreciate what we have here to its fullest extent. Furthermore, I respect all veterans that put their lives on the line. It's not Kerry's service record that makes me shutter. If he were just a Veteran that did his job then, at worst, I'd have no response to him, no matter what his opinions were when he came back from the war.
That being said, the reason I hate the idea of a guy like Kerry coming into power is that he will inevitably limit my ability to live my life and provide for my family to the fullest extent of reasonable possibilities.
Estate taxes, income taxes, the inevitable socialist regulations he will almost certainly impose on the health care industry--these are the things that make me hate the idea of him being in charge. My family left a dead-end system once in the last 22 years. It would make me very sad to see the same trends arising here.
No matter what happened in Vietnam decades ago, Kerry is NOT a representation of what it is to be American. Repeat, in deference to you STRK, Kerry is NOT America Personified. Bush, while far, far from perfect, is far closer.
I do not hate this country, and shame on you for saying it. You're a simplistic little man for allowing yourself to put such declarations down in writing simply because I do not see eye-to-eye with you. I seriously hope it was a lapse in judgement on your part.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Leave Udie out of this. :mad:
I dont drink beer!
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
That being said, the reason I hate the idea of a guy like Kerry coming into power is that he will inevitably limit my ability to live my life and provide for my family to the fullest extent of reasonable possibilities.
Hey, i've already had my privacy taken away, he had nothing to do with that. Sure, republicans have never raised taxes. Bush has refused to give Congress a number on the tax dollars it will need for Afghanistan and Iraq next year, nor have they asked for a dime. They are playing politics, of course, they do not want to let Congress know til after the election. Do not be surprised when you are asked to give that tax credit back.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Actually, I love this country. Moreso than the likes of you will ever understand. Unlike you, I've actually lived behind the Iron curtain and can therefore appreciate what we have here to its fullest extent. Furthermore, I respect all veterans that put their lives on the line. It's not Kerry's service record that makes me shutter. If he were just a Veteran that did his job then, at worst, I'd have no response to him, no matter what his opinions were when he came back from the war.
That being said, the reason I hate the idea of a guy like Kerry coming into power is that he will inevitably limit my ability to live my life and provide for my family to the fullest extent of reasonable possibilities.
Estate taxes, income taxes, the inevitable socialist regulations he will almost certainly impose on the health care industry--these are the things that make me hate the idea of him being in charge. My family left a dead-end system once in the last 22 years. It would make me very sad to see the same trends arising here.
No matter what happened in Vietnam decades ago, Kerry is NOT a representation of what it is to be American. Repeat, in deference to you STRK, Kerry is NOT America Personified. Bush, while far, far from perfect, is far closer.
I do not hate this country, and shame on you for saying it. You're a simplistic little man for allowing yourself to put such declarations down in writing simply because I do not see eye-to-eye with you. I seriously hope it was a lapse in judgement on your part.
I LOVE PORK!! I LOVE PORK!!!
Very well said, sir.
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I greatly admired Autie Murphy and that colonel or whatever that ran with perot for vice president... both were damaged goods tho by their experiance as is mccain... I wouldn't want any of em in too high an office...
Just seeing kerry with hanoi jane and co. is enough to put him in the same "damaged goods" class. you don't want him to be in a position to make decisions.
lazs
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Originally posted by deSelys
:rofl :rofl :rofl RPM!
It can be argued forever who would be best Prez between Kerry and Bushman26, but if the country has to go to war I prefer to follow a leader who've already heard bullets zip past his ears.
There's a Vietnam vert who lives behind the 7-11 on Hempstead Tpke. Crazy as a loon, but he was in combat. He was hit in the chest too, from what I hear. He's usually too drunk or drugged up to talk to, but he's free for the next 4 years.
You want to elect him too? I mean...he was in combat so he must be qualified, right?
Fact is, military service, though commendable and worthy of praise is not indicative of a good leader, especially in this case.
The democrats are trying to make Kerry look like he's good for homeland securitiy...the biggest concern among registered voeters when polled. Unfortunatley, we keep running into the now famous Kerry Defense Cut Votes and Inteligence community votes.
The bottom line for me is John Kerry does not represent me or my interests therefore as of this writing he will not get my vote.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
So strk, you want a murderer for president?
Intresting to see how you twist things rip, if it is the guy in a soldiers uniform that is the murderer or the presidents saying go for it that is the murderer. What is the problem (think none of them, but that is based of the reasone they go to war)
But dont come with that crap ripsnort you know better I guess.
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Originally posted by airguard
Intresting to see how you twist things rip, if it is the guy in a soldiers uniform that is the murderer or the presidents saying go for it that is the murderer. What is the problem (think none of them, but that is based of the reasone they go to war)
But dont come with that crap ripsnort you know better I guess.
I am pretty sure Rip was being sarcastic, mocking the anti-war crowd who normally label soldiers as "baby-killers".
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Hehe I wondered about that too, but guess you are right.
Not that easy when my launguage is norwegian, and somthimes i just dont get the sarcasm i guess :)
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I don't think Kerry is going to win. Just a feeling...
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Muck, re-read my post and then edit yours to only argument about what I've actually written.
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Whats to edit?
You said you would vote for someone who's seen combat before someone who has not.
My comment is simple statement that just because a man has been in combat does not qualify him for such a lofty office as President of the United States.
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Originally posted by AdmRose
After that, he single handedly charged into Hanoi with an M-16 in each hand, guns blazing Rambo style, taking out rows and rows of VC with every block until he finally came upon Ho Chi Mihn and decapitated him with one blow, leaving the city with his head on a pike. - Excerpt from "How John Kerry Singlehandedly Won the Vietnam War"
:rolleyes:
Actually he did not win the war single handedly nor did he ever claim to. What he did do is learn his craft well and perform it without cowardice. He saved a few lives with his action and was right in the thick of things.
There were many in Vietnam who never saw the outside of an airconditioned office. There were many in those days who avoided the draft and the war and never contributed. There were some that went over and were cowards under fire. Guys like Kerry are exactly what the US armed forces wanted then and now. Brave and smart and cool under fire. Not heros or Rambos but just good soldiers.
You have a problem with that?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
So strk, you want a murderer for president?
If Bush had this kind of record, would you still vote for him Rip?
:rolleyes:
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What do you mean? Bush stopped an entire VC Battallion from invading Texas, then pulled a flanking maneuver and singlehandedly saved Alabama with nothing more than flares and training rounds.
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Lol, could you see if Bush Sr was a democrat?
Democrats: But he is a war vet who made sure his crew bailed from a burning aircraft before bailing himself, then pulled out his pistol and prepared to fight til the death against a Japanese patrol boat.
Republicans: First of all, the aircraft was still flight worthy and should have been returned to base. Second of all, that wasn't a patrol boat, it was a harmless Japanese fishing boat. Third, his pistol probably would not have worked and he did not have it when he was pulled aboard the submarine, he probably threw it away to surrender. He lost a plane, crew, and pistol, just to take a swim, he should be shot.
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Originally posted by Habu
Actually he did not win the war single handedly nor did he ever claim to. What he did do is learn his craft well and perform it without cowardice. He saved a few lives with his action and was right in the thick of things.
There were many in Vietnam who never saw the outside of an airconditioned office. There were many in those days who avoided the draft and the war and never contributed. There were some that went over and were cowards under fire. Guys like Kerry are exactly what the US armed forces wanted then and now. Brave and smart and cool under fire. Not heros or Rambos but just good soldiers.
You have a problem with that?
Apparently, John Kerry had a problem with that, considering he did nothing but protest the war after he got back.
He must have been real proud of his service to his country to join up with Hanoi Jane and toss "His" medals on the White House lawn.
Pretty convenient how now, that he's running for president, he's a proud Vietnam vet.
Whatever he did in Vietnam was negated in my mind when he crawled into bed with the spokeswoman of the NVA.
Sorry, Johnny.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I greatly admired Autie Murphy and that colonel or whatever that ran with perot for vice president... both were damaged goods tho by their experiance as is mccain... I wouldn't want any of em in too high an office...
What about George Bush Sr. ? Was he damaged goods?
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Apparently, John Kerry had a problem with that, considering he did nothing but protest the war after he got back.
He must have been real proud of his service to his country to join up with Hanoi Jane and toss "His" medals on the White House lawn.
Pretty convenient how now, that he's running for president, he's a proud Vietnam vet.
Whatever he did in Vietnam was negated in my mind when he crawled into bed with the spokeswoman of the NVA.
Sorry, Johnny.
I agree that his actions after he left Viet Nam show a totally different side of his character but you cannot argue that he did not do want was expected of him and more when he was over there.
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Originally posted by mosgood
What about George Bush Sr. ? Was he damaged goods?
How about Dwight Eisenhower?
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(http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/higgins.jpg)
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Originally posted by Habu
I agree that his actions after he left Viet Nam show a totally different side of his character but you cannot argue that he did not do want was expected of him and more when he was over there.
I agree Mr. Kerry should be commended for his military service.
I just don't know how much of it I believe and how much of it may have been embellished.
You see, Kerry strikes me a smart, opportunist who's been crafting his entire life for political office. I see him as the consumate politician. I don't believe in his core values because I don't think he has any. I feel that he will say or do whatever the poll of the day says he should.
For lack of a better term, I see Kerry as a "Schemer".
So once again, though I commend him for his service to his country, I am disappointed in his association with Jane Fonda, and the anti-war activists and do not hold him in the same regard as I would other verterans.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
You see, Kerry strikes me a smart, opportunist who's been crafting his entire life for political office. I see him as the consumate politician.
You just described Bush.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
That being said, the reason I hate the idea of a guy like Kerry coming into power is that he will inevitably limit my ability to live my life and provide for my family to the fullest extent of reasonable possibilities.
Estate taxes, income taxes, the inevitable socialist regulations he will almost certainly impose on the health care industry--these are the things that make me hate the idea of him being in charge. My family left a dead-end system once in the last 22 years. It would make me very sad to see the same trends arising here.
No matter what happened in Vietnam decades ago, Kerry is NOT a representation of what it is to be American. Repeat, in deference to you STRK, Kerry is NOT America Personified. Bush, while far, far from perfect, is far closer.
I do not hate this country, and shame on you for saying it. You're a simplistic little man for allowing yourself to put such declarations down in writing simply because I do not see eye-to-eye with you. I seriously hope it was a lapse in judgement on your part.
Ive been behind the iron curtain. It was sh_t hole and Im glad its gone now.
for someone raised as a socialist you certainly are friendly with the health insurance industry. How did you come to worship the corporations so much?
I am glad that you make enough money that you have to worry about the estate tax (you refer to as death tax), since it only applies to estates over 750k. kudos
I am also glad that your income is high enough that you want to keep the tax cuts for the rich. Most folks only got a few hundred when it was all said and done but state and real estate taxes have gone up, as well as tuition . . .
You would think that someone who has been as fortunate as you, coming from a second world socialist country, and now doing so well that you need to worry about the tax cuts and estate tax, that you would have a little freakin respect for America's combat veterans.
Oh and I want to meet the veterans that you know whose military record made Kerry look like a cabbage patch kid. How many of these guys do you know?
You are disparaging an american combat veteran. You should thank God every morning that combat veterans fought to give you the best country in the world to come live in from your second world socialist country. When you denigrate the heroic, decorated service of a veteran you are hating those people that made America.
Frankly, that pisses me off.
Is that simple enough for you?
now go wave your flag somewhere else, RW Lickspittle
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Is Capt. Pork an immigrant?
If so... I'll go ahead and say it because Funked is so damned selective with this:
PWNED!
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Originally posted by muckmaw
There's a Vietnam vert who lives behind the 7-11 on Hempstead Tpke. Crazy as a loon, but he was in combat. He was hit in the chest too, from what I hear. He's usually too drunk or drugged up to talk to, but he's free for the next 4 years.
You want to elect him too? I mean...he was in combat so he must be qualified, right?
Fact is, military service, though commendable and worthy of praise is not indicative of a good leader, especially in this case.
The democrats are trying to make Kerry look like he's good for homeland securitiy...the biggest concern among registered voeters when polled. Unfortunatley, we keep running into the now famous Kerry Defense Cut Votes and Inteligence community votes.
The bottom line for me is John Kerry does not represent me or my interests therefore as of this writing he will not get my vote.
Interesting how the only research that went into this post was watching a Bush* campaign commercial.
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habu... bush senior was a pilot. I believe pilots that aren't captured by sadistic little yellow folk are kinda detatched from war even when they participate.
I feel the same goes for most generals especially supreme commanders over the largest and most "correct" war ever fought.
lazs
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Originally posted by Habu
I agree that his actions after he left Viet Nam show a totally different side of his character but you cannot argue that he did not do want was expected of him and more when he was over there.
Were any of you guys around during Vietnam? Hell, Walter Freakin' Cronkite said the War was a lost cause and we should pull out. A vet protesting more poeple being sent off to die in a hopeless battle is not only doing what needs to be done, he is doing his patriotic duty. I suppose you guys think we should have kept pouring more boys in there to be killed. What a bunch of Keyboard Heroes you are.
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Originally posted by strk
...an enemy soldier holding a loaded rocket launcher sprang up within 10 feet of Kerry's boat and fled. Kerry leapt ashore, ran down the man and killed him.
You forgot the: "with a spoon" on the end.
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ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!
er wait... my bad.
wrong thread...
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Lol, could you see if Bush Sr was a democrat?
Democrats: But he is a war vet who made sure his crew bailed from a burning aircraft before bailing himself, then pulled out his pistol and prepared to fight til the death against a Japanese patrol boat.
Republicans: First of all, the aircraft was still flight worthy and should have been returned to base. Second of all, that wasn't a patrol boat, it was a harmless Japanese fishing boat. Third, his pistol probably would not have worked and he did not have it when he was pulled aboard the submarine, he probably threw it away to surrender. He lost a plane, crew, and pistol, just to take a swim, he should be shot.
Snork!
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Originally posted by strk
I think the GOP is gonna regret making his records an issue
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Request_For_Swiftboat_Duty.pdf
(Kerry's REQUEST to go to Nam and serve on Swift Boats)
Compare Bush* assignment records - checked "do not volunteer for overseas"
http://discover.npr.org/photo_gallery/photo_gallery_display.jhtml?gallery=1676511
On Feb. 28, 1969, Kerry's craft and two other boats came under heavy fire from the riverbanks. Kerry ordered his units to turn into the ambush and sent men ashore to charge the enemy. According to the records, an enemy soldier holding a loaded rocket launcher sprang up within 10 feet of Kerry's boat and fled. Kerry leapt ashore, ran down the man and killed him.
Kerry and his men chased or killed all the enemy soldiers in the area, captured enemy weapons and then returned to the boat only to come under fire from the opposite bank as they began to pull away. Kerry again beached his boat and led a party ashore to pursue the enemy, and they successfully silenced the shooting. Later, the boats were again under fire, but Kerry initiated a heavy response that killed 10 Viet Cong and wounded another with no casualties to his own men.
He won the Silver Star "for gallantry and intrepidity in action" that day. Two weeks later, Kerry was engaged in another fire fight that resulted in a Bronze Star for heroic achievement and the third Purple Heart that would result in his reassignment out of Vietnam.
Kerry was commanding one of five boats on patrol on March 13, 1969, when two mines detonated almost simultaneously -- one beneath another boat and one near Kerry's craft. Shrapnel hit Kerry's buttocks, and his right arm was bleeding from contusions, but he rescued a boatmate who had been thrown overboard in the blast and was under sniper fire from both banks. Kerry then directed his crew to return to the other damaged craft and tow it to safety.
In April 1969, Kerry was sent stateside to the Military Sea Transportation Service, U.S. Atlantic Fleet, in Brooklyn, N.Y. On Nov. 21, 1969, Kerry requested that he be released from his commitment to serve actively until August 1970 so that he could run for Congress.
He was promoted to full lieutenant on Jan. 1, 1970, and soon after was discharged from active duty and became a reservist.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Kerry-Purple-Hearts.html?hp
no doubt Kerry was a badass back in the day
From what I have read..cant remember as I have read so much..and from what I have heard Kerry had to practically beg for a purple heart. Now being ex military and NAVY to boot...If I had asperations to be in politics...I wouldn't want to be on a frigate either. ALSO , as an officer I know that if I get into more serious spots I may gain GREAT ploitical ammo for my carrer. I also know that I GIVE orders to those men under me to fight. SO...With that said and reading the above drivel...Kerry suffered shrapnel to his buttocks (***) and arm. I could get a minor cut on my arm in the dead of summer , sweating like no tomorrow , and look like I been shot from the blood.
Being on those boats although dangerous is in my opinion no more than him looking for ammo for a political carrer. I have heard several times that he had political asperations before going into the Navy. SO being a Frigate Officer in Vietnam although noble doesn't do as much for a carrer as River Boat would.
IF you have to ask for a purple heart from your CO then he obviously didn't think you need one. Silver Satr awarded...AGAIN more ammo. Beaching his Boat and killing 20? THEY may have killed 20. I doubt although I havent seen it anywhere that KERRY killed more than 2 or 3. Whoever was manning the GUN killed them. I don't remember reading it was HIM on that gun. It says he "Initaited" a response. Giving and oreder to your gunner to shoot is intiating that response.
I could go on and on but I'm not. Bush's record is nothing to get motivated about. But Kerry's isn't either. LOTS AND LOTS of men served with just as much and MORE bravery than he did. They gave up more than a buttock wound and a "contusion" and didn't get a purple heart. MOST didn't come home and WHINE like a lil wuss either. MORE POLITICAL reteric.
Vote for him if you like. I'll take Bush and his STRONG WILL and STRONG CONVICTIONS to do what he thinks is right over that Waffleing glorified wimp bellybutton Kerry anyday.:mad:
END OF RANT
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Nice rant!
Originally posted by RedTop
From what I have read..cant remember as I have read so much..and from what I have heard...
Poor start.....
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Yeah..you maybe right..but...at this point....I'm to tired..and just plain ole not gonna give it a try.
Not much of what I say means anything anyway....To either side..SO..THink I'll just sit here and eat my Wendy's Triple w/Cheese Combo and keep reading stuff.;)
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I followed you just fine redtop. Nash has a way of making people feel stupid when they are not. Ignore him when he gets like that.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
You see, Kerry strikes me a smart, opportunist who's been crafting his entire life for political office. I see him as the consumate politician.
Originally posted by Sixpence
You just described Bush.
Six, you really don't believe that do you?
I mean, do you really believe Bush has spent his entire life crafting for political office?
He would prob. laugh his a## off if you said this to him, I think he would have changed more then a few things in his past if this were true.
I for one perfer a man who says what he means and means what he says, to one who changes his mind with his socks, or suits his political needs at the time.
Thing is Bush is real, good, bad, what ever, he is a lot more like us then the marry into the good life JFK is.
JFK has 5 homes each worth over 3 mil. each and is one of the wealthest men in DC and wants me to believe he is one of us, huh!
He is trying the only thing left and that is his war record and it's not working (look at the polls) to bad the ecnomy is recovering so nicely and he had to quite down on that a bit.
All he has left is "Im a better war hero then Bush" sorry not going to be enough.
Clinton's won't let him win anyway, will kill thier shot at the WH in 08.
Nope, looks like we won't change horses in mid stream, I just read a poll that claimed 69% think we will be attacked again. In another poll only 34% feel safer with Kerry in charge. This means we feel safer with Bush then Kerry and believe the war is not over, this is what middle America will thke to the polls in Nov.
and thats the way it is
:aok
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Originally posted by Scootter
Six, you really don't believe that do you?
I mean, do you really believe Bush has spent his entire life crafting for political office?
Yes.
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Originally posted by strk
Oh and I want to meet the veterans that you know whose military record made Kerry look like a cabbage patch kid. How many of these guys do you know?
You are disparaging an american combat veteran. You should thank God every morning that combat veterans fought to give you the best country in the world to come live in from your second world socialist country. When you denigrate the heroic, decorated service of a veteran you are hating those people that made America.
Two great uncles on my dad's side fought in WWII, five years each. One started at the age of 17, the other, having started at the age of 18, finished the war in Berlin. Both were wounded multiple times. Both survived the bulk of their units. Niether said a word about their actions until old age(one of them never spoke of it at all until three weeks before dying of cancer). I knew the both of them well.
Three more on my mother's side, two of which never came home.
I respect veterans. I feel for them and weep for them when they are hurt or killed in the line of duty. I still feel for the guys that died 60 years ago as I do for the young men and women who it today. Kerry, sorry to say, is worthy of no more or less respect than any of those who came before or after him.
Just because I happen not to like your veteran of choice says nothing about my general attitude towards the armed services, or towards the nation for which I am extremely greatful. Once again, I repeat, Kerry is not America personified. He's a guy that apparently did his job, no more, no less. Good for him. It doesn't entitle him to anything as far as his political ambitions go.
As for my income, or my inheritance, it's none of your whoopeeed business, but frankly, while the climate of things may piss me off personally, it pisses me off on a general level when a government body can claim ownership to something that a family created with its bare hands. The income tax they take is already more than enough. Spitting on the wishes of the deceased it taking it too far. My family is not big business. They are not corporate pigs. They are hardworking doctors that have seen success here that would be unheard of back in my '****hole' homeland. Just because it is an improvement doesn't mean we should be enthusiastic about having what's rightfully ours 'redistributed'.
I'll wave my flag anywhere I want, whenever I want, and as much as I want. I thank every service man and woman who allows me that right--Kerry included. I'll vote for him to go into the oval office when Hell freezes over.
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Originally posted by Yeager
I followed you just fine redtop. Nash has a way of making people feel stupid when they are not. Ignore him when he gets like that.
Hehe.
Yer awesome Yeager. :D
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Originally posted by Nash
Is Capt. Pork an immigrant?
If so... I'll go ahead and say it because Funked is so damned selective with this:
PWNED!
Who's doing the PWNING?
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Originally posted by Yeager
I followed you just fine redtop. Nash has a way of making people feel stupid when they are not. Ignore him when he gets like that.
Well Yeager..Nash just wants more proof..and thats fine..I understand that. I don't really feel stupid.
As I said...sort of.....
Bush made the statement according to Fox News I think on Tuesday Night ..(I work Nights so all I see is re-runs of the shows) that He would like to be a 2 term pres. but that if doing what he feels is the right thing and he doesn't gat a 2nd term then so be it. He said that he wouldn't not do it for political gain or a 2nd term.
Saying that although I thought alot of him already meant alot to me personally. HE sees what he thinks his right and does something about it. HE believes in his cause and that in itself makes him better to me.
I worked for Bush (sort of) when he was Govenor of Texas. My Job is a Supervisor of a Computer room for the Senate and House of Reps. for Texas. I have shook his hand..met him breifly. He wasn't the greatest Govenor but was a great one. He talks to people. He understands the common guy IMHO. Oh sure he has wealth. But that doesn't seem to come thru. He doesn't seem to look down on those with less.
He seems very smart to me. Much is made that he isn't but let me tell ya..The guy is smart. Is he articulate and polished like most carrer politicians? NO..not by a long shot. Again..he can speak to the common person. He's got strong moral beliefs that I agree with for the most part. HE stands by what he says. HE doesn't change is mind with the political winds. IS he crafty and a cagey politician. YES..He wouldn't have made it to where he is hadn't he been that. BUT..SHow me a politician that isn't and I'll show you a 1 term whatever they are if they even get elected.
I have only News and Retoric and passed records to go by. I have tried to keep up with it as best I can but DANG if I don't get tired of hearing BUSH bashing from the left. Bush's numbers are up. No the war isn't going as was expected but then again what war has ever went as expected.
I don't have the luxery of sitting down with Kerry or Pres. Bush to have a talk. To ask them questions that are inportant to me personally. Not many do. SO I'll wait til November..Cast my Vote for Bush and Walk away from the booth very happy with myself for voting my consience and my belief of who is best and not voting with whatever the political wind may be blowing in. If that makes sense. LOL :)
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Originally posted by RedTop
From what I have read..cant remember as I have read so much..and from what I have heard Kerry had to practically beg for a purple heart. Now being ex military and NAVY to boot...If I had asperations to be in politics...I wouldn't want to be on a frigate either. ALSO , as an officer I know that if I get into more serious spots I may gain GREAT ploitical ammo for my carrer. I also know that I GIVE orders to those men under me to fight. SO...With that said and reading the above drivel...Kerry suffered shrapnel to his buttocks (***) and arm. I could get a minor cut on my arm in the dead of summer , sweating like no tomorrow , and look like I been shot from the blood.
Being on those boats although dangerous is in my opinion no more than him looking for ammo for a political carrer. I have heard several times that he had political asperations before going into the Navy. SO being a Frigate Officer in Vietnam although noble doesn't do as much for a carrer as River Boat would.
IF you have to ask for a purple heart from your CO then he obviously didn't think you need one. Silver Satr awarded...AGAIN more ammo. Beaching his Boat and killing 20? THEY may have killed 20. I doubt although I havent seen it anywhere that KERRY killed more than 2 or 3. Whoever was manning the GUN killed them. I don't remember reading it was HIM on that gun. It says he "Initaited" a response. Giving and oreder to your gunner to shoot is intiating that response.
I could go on and on but I'm not. Bush's record is nothing to get motivated about. But Kerry's isn't either. LOTS AND LOTS of men served with just as much and MORE bravery than he did. They gave up more than a buttock wound and a "contusion" and didn't get a purple heart. MOST didn't come home and WHINE like a lil wuss either. MORE POLITICAL reteric.
Vote for him if you like. I'll take Bush and his STRONG WILL and STRONG CONVICTIONS to do what he thinks is right over that Waffleing glorified wimp bellybutton Kerry anyday.:mad:
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Why don't you show us some proof to back up all your opinions?
I think it is despicable when someone questions the motives of a man fighting in combat for this country. It is disgusting and unpatriotic.
To do so for political purposes strips you of any credibility you might have had.
So you were USN huh? WHat was your rate? what ship(S)?
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Originally posted by Scootter
Originally posted by muckmaw
You see, Kerry strikes me a smart, opportunist who's been crafting his entire life for political office. I see him as the consumate politician.
Six, you really don't believe that do you?
I mean, do you really believe Bush has spent his entire life crafting for political office?
He would prob. laugh his a## off if you said this to him, I think he would have changed more then a few things in his past if this were true.
I for one perfer a man who says what he means and means what he says, to one who changes his mind with his socks, or suits his political needs at the time.
Thing is Bush is real, good, bad, what ever, he is a lot more like us then the marry into the good life JFK is.
JFK has 5 homes each worth over 3 mil. each and is one of the wealthest men in DC and wants me to believe he is one of us, huh!
He is trying the only thing left and that is his war record and it's not working (look at the polls) to bad the ecnomy is recovering so nicely and he had to quite down on that a bit.
All he has left is "Im a better war hero then Bush" sorry not going to be enough.
Clinton's won't let him win anyway, will kill thier shot at the WH in 08.
Nope, looks like we won't change horses in mid stream, I just read a poll that claimed 69% think we will be attacked again. In another poll only 34% feel safer with Kerry in charge. This means we feel safer with Bush then Kerry and believe the war is not over, this is what middle America will thke to the polls in Nov.
and thats the way it is
:aok
You think Bush* is like us??? He comes from Big Money, and don't forget it. He is from Connecticut, dont forget.
The whole down home texas BS is a gimick to dupe people like you into believing he is one of us. He aint no cowboy, he is afraid of horses.
All hat. No cattle
Even the Crawford ranch is a fake. In 1999, the previous owner was running a pig farm there. He bought it as a prop for his presidential run.
smoke and mirrors. Cheney is the man pulling the strings
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Two great uncles on my dad's side fought in WWII, five years each. One started at the age of 17, the other, having started at the age of 18, finished the war in Berlin. Both were wounded multiple times. Both survived the bulk of their units. Niether said a word about their actions until old age(one of them never spoke of it at all until three weeks before dying of cancer). I knew the both of them well.
Three more on my mother's side, two of which never came home.
I respect veterans. I feel for them and weep for them when they are hurt or killed in the line of duty. I still feel for the guys that died 60 years ago as I do for the young men and women who it today. Kerry, sorry to say, is worthy of no more or less respect than any of those who came before or after him.
Just because I happen not to like your veteran of choice says nothing about my general attitude towards the armed services, or towards the nation for which I am extremely greatful. Once again, I repeat, Kerry is not America personified. He's a guy that apparently did his job, no more, no less. Good for him. It doesn't entitle him to anything as far as his political ambitions go.
As for my income, or my inheritance, it's none of your whoopeeed business, but frankly, while the climate of things may piss me off personally, it pisses me off on a general level when a government body can claim ownership to something that a family created with its bare hands. The income tax they take is already more than enough. Spitting on the wishes of the deceased it taking it too far. My family is not big business. They are not corporate pigs. They are hardworking doctors that have seen success here that would be unheard of back in my '****hole' homeland. Just because it is an improvement doesn't mean we should be enthusiastic about having what's rightfully ours 'redistributed'.
I'll wave my flag anywhere I want, whenever I want, and as much as I want. I thank every service man and woman who allows me that right--Kerry included. I'll vote for him to go into the oval office when Hell freezes over.
No offense here, Pork, but if you imigrated from a socialist country, who were your great uncles fighting FOR in WW2?
The rest of your post shows that you need to do some research.
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Nice rant!
Originally posted by RedTop
Well Yeager..Nash just wants more proof..and thats fine..I understand that. I don't really feel stupid.
As I said...sort of.....
Bush made the statement according to Fox News I think on Tuesday Night
Poor start.
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Originally posted by strk
No offense here, Pork, but if you imigrated from a socialist country, who were your great uncles fighting FOR in WW2?
The rest of your post shows that you need to do some research.
They fought for the Red Army. I came from the USSR in 1981. You can contend their socialistic status if you want. It's all the same to me. Soviet Russia was the epitome of oppressive, especially to a Jewish family. If knowing oppression personally is a criterium for appreciating the US, you can say I'm fairly well versed.
What, exactly, do you suggest I research further?
If it's Kerry's war record, I do believe it would be beating a dead horse. As I've said before, his status as a veteran does not make him a good politican. At least not to me.
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Strk..Im not sure where your from...But.... He may have been born in Conneticut..But he got to Texas as fast as he could:p
Pigs are on ranches..Farms..I even seen a few in suburbia as pets. :lol Oh and though he is from big money..Don't mean he doesnt relate to folks. Kerry carries himself as that type that would be looking down his nose at you while he takes your contibution.
There isn't a ton of Cowboys in Texas either....As I said I'm not sure where your from..BUT I live here...and I know...there are a TON of HATS and No Cattle types here. I don't even own a truck no more dad gone it..I went out and bought me one of the fan-dangled regular old FOo Foo Cars called a Corvette. ANd I even wear Boots when Driving it..Can you imagine that? :lol
We do sell Boots with Spikes on em for playing Golf though. Helps with that Cow Pasture Pool so's ya dont slip on none of that there Horse Crap or Bull Sh**. (Spits Backy Juice) By Gods we even has a regular Car Lot here in Texas. No Wagons allowed fer traded though. Only Horses with gooood teeth allowed on da lot. (spits more backy juice)
SMoke and Mirrors you say? Yer what we call in South Texas LOCO:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by strk
No offense here, Pork, but if you imigrated from a socialist country, who were your great uncles fighting FOR in WW2?
the same side as yours......
you know the ones that won the war and suffered 2/3 of the casualtys
Dosent any one ever read history anymore?
Gunns
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Originally posted by lazs2
I greatly admired Autie Murphy and that colonel or whatever that ran with perot for vice president...
lazs
I believe his name was Klink.... Colonel Klink. He was bald and easily fooled too, just like you-know-who. ;)
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strk said he'd vote for a plant or the GOP POTUS
speaks volumes of his outlook on politics
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STRK seems a bit miffed. Really upset with BUSH and isn't afraid to tell you how wrong you are for likeing him.
Imagine STRK when he gets old if he's this bitter at a young age.:eek:
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
They fought for the Red Army. I came from the USSR in 1981. You can contend their socialistic status if you want. It's all the same to me. Soviet Russia was the epitome of oppressive, especially to a Jewish family. If knowing oppression personally is a criterium for appreciating the US, you can say I'm fairly well versed.
What, exactly, do you suggest I research further?
If it's Kerry's war record, I do believe it would be beating a dead horse. As I've said before, his status as a veteran does not make him a good politican. At least not to me.
Back to the original point, no disrespect to your granduncles but the Russian army might not give decorations like the US army. The US army didnt even give out medals to enlisted until after the civil war iirc.
I suggest you research the estate tax and how it works and the two tax cuts under Bush*. Follow the money. Think about who these policies are going to assist - the ones who need it least.
Someone said that the true measure of society is how it treats its most helpless. In the US as in the rest of the world the majority of the people that fit that description are poor children. So why should children go to bed hungry while rich guys like Bush* get 30k tax break?
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Originally posted by Eagler
strk said he'd vote for a plant or the GOP POTUS
speaks volumes of his outlook on politics
Speaks volumes about our current president imo. By the way, I used to be a republican.
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Originally posted by RedTop
Strk..Im not sure where your from...But.... He may have been born in Conneticut..But he got to Texas as fast as he could:p
Pigs are on ranches..Farms..I even seen a few in suburbia as pets. :lol Oh and though he is from big money..Don't mean he doesnt relate to folks. Kerry carries himself as that type that would be looking down his nose at you while he takes your contibution.
There isn't a ton of Cowboys in Texas either....As I said I'm not sure where your from..BUT I live here...and I know...there are a TON of HATS and No Cattle types here. I don't even own a truck no more dad gone it..I went out and bought me one of the fan-dangled regular old FOo Foo Cars called a Corvette. ANd I even wear Boots when Driving it..Can you imagine that? :lol
We do sell Boots with Spikes on em for playing Golf though. Helps with that Cow Pasture Pool so's ya dont slip on none of that there Horse Crap or Bull Sh**. (Spits Backy Juice) By Gods we even has a regular Car Lot here in Texas. No Wagons allowed fer traded though. Only Horses with gooood teeth allowed on da lot. (spits more backy juice)
SMoke and Mirrors you say? Yer what we call in South Texas LOCO:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Well Im from Virginia and we raise a lot of hogs in Virginia
(ever heard of smithfield, or old va ham?), in fact I grew up on a farm that had hogs and cattle. Anyway, I have never ever heard a hog farm called a hog ranch or a pig ranch.
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Originally posted by RedTop
STRK seems a bit miffed. Really upset with BUSH and isn't afraid to tell you how wrong you are for likeing him.
Imagine STRK when he gets old if he's this bitter at a young age.:eek:
I plan on being a dirty old man.
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Originally posted by strk
I plan on being a dirty old man.
You have a great great start at it.
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After carefully reading the posts all I can say is ...HUH?
Is it to late to start a write in campaign for Alfred E. Neuman?
"What, me worry?":eek:
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Originally posted by rpm371
Were any of you guys around during Vietnam? Hell, Walter Freakin' Cronkite said the War was a lost cause and we should pull out. A vet protesting more poeple being sent off to die in a hopeless battle is not only doing what needs to be done, he is doing his patriotic duty. I suppose you guys think we should have kept pouring more boys in there to be killed. What a bunch of Keyboard Heroes you are.
There are people today that feel the same about the Afganistan war and the Iraq war. There are people that felt that way about WW1 and WW2.
There is a pretty good argument that if the US armed forces had been freed from political interference they could have militarily defeated the North in 1967.
The problem then was the US was actually fighting the Russians and the Chinese and they did not want to esculate the war to include attacks on the supply ships and trains etc as it may have spiraled out of control.
However the cold war was being fought in Vietnam and the countries that became communiest during that time are still some of the worst basket cases in Asia today. Vietnam was not all bad nor was it fought properly. I would have been against the way the war was being fought (why not friggen bomb the hell out of the Ho Chi Min trail in Laos or Cambodia and anywhere else supply was coming from). It was wrong to put soldiers lives in danger for political cowardice. If you are going to fight a war then fight it to win. If not get out. For that reason I could identify with some of the arguments against the war.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
They fought for the Red Army. I came from the USSR in 1981. You can contend their socialistic status if you want. It's all the same to me. Soviet Russia was the epitome of oppressive, especially to a Jewish family. If knowing oppression personally is a criterium for appreciating the US, you can say I'm fairly well versed.
CaptPork, You and I may disagree politically, but I'm glad you were able to immigrate here and I'm proud of my country for allowing this immigration. <> to you and your family, and a belated welcome.