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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: RedTop on April 21, 2004, 08:55:04 PM
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Is this considered a dweeby plane? Just wondering. I'm not going to quit flying it....But I see the ole "Spit Dweeb" run across the channels and I'm wondering if they are in a V or IX.
Thoughts?:confused:
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Welp..
When you get handed your shorts by one it's a dweeby plane.
Otherwise it's a deathtrap..
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I don't consider the Spit V a dweeb plane. I consider the Spit IX, Nikki, La7 etc. dweeb planes because everybody and their mother fly them. The Spit V takes skill to survive in.
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Wasnt there a discussion about this not too long ago? I certainly dont care what you fly, or what i may lose to. Dweeby airplane is a term used by "new age ego turds" that lose to a certain aircaft more than a few times.
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Spit V? Nothing dweebier.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Ya Dead... no doubt!
It was established years ago that I am a dweeb. Since I fly the Spit V some it must be a dweeb plane.
DMF is a dweeb and a lapdog... as dweeby as it gets
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can fly almost anything in this game, but i love the spit 9, its my perfered fighter, ill use it over anything includeing the la7.
tonight got my but handed to me by PH, he was in a la7 and i was in a spit 9, he got me twice before he rtb. pissed me off so bad and i cursed that la7 but ohh well i get my fair share of la7's and we'll meet again:)
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really who cares what you fly. the word dweeb is just another word for whine
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really who cares what you fly. the word dweeb is just another word for whine
No, it isn't.
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Originally posted by GScholz
I don't consider the Spit V a dweeb plane. I consider the Spit IX, Nikki, La7 etc. dweeb planes because everybody and their mother fly them. The Spit V takes skill to survive in.
Spit V is easy to survive in imo, not so easy to get kills in though.
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Originally posted by Steve
No, it isn't.
I think Steve is trying to hook something, bastige! :D
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hehehhehehe..
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i see that way because of the framed
"Spit dweeb" the pilot says after being shot down:)
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Dweeb has a long history in flight sims, young padawan. It's origin goes back to even before my time.
I can tell you w/ certainty two things: It has nothing to do w/ "whine" and we are all dweebs.
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I still don't understand what the big deal is about the Mk IX or Mk V. Yes they are a very forgiving airframe but they are in no way uber in any sense. They can't outrun most planes and their armament isn't the greatest in the world. What good does that maneuverability get you when you get BnZ'd by one plane and he calls in friendly?
They excel in a few areas but they are in no way shape or form uber. It can be out turned, it can be out run, it can be out done in the vertical and it can be out gunned. It just depends on who your flying against and how well they know their airframe and if they know how to fly it. If it were so uber then you'd see tons of mass kill landings by them. And everyone flying them even the mediocre flyers would be "Aces" in a sense. If someone tries to fly against either and fly to the Spits abilities then it's not because the plane is uber it's because they (attacker)are lacking common sense. You fight a plane/pilot to their weaknesses not their strengths.
A Spit should be an easy kill if the pilot doesn't know how to use it. If they've spent alot of time learning every in and out of the planes strenghts and weaknesses then you may have a 50/50 chance against it. You also have to rememeber they have to know what they can and can't do against every other airframe out there. It's not like we are talking about WWII itself and how each side had a pretty decent understanding of their foe and what they were capable of. You fly the plane as it was meant to be flown. You wouldn't take a 262 or TA152 and turn fight with them, it's not how they were meant to be flown. Yes you have folks who can do it and who are really good at flying outside the planes envelope but it's a rarity and very few can do it.
The majority of the folks who take time to learn one plane specifically and understand enough about the others to fight them correctly are the ones you should worry about. More often than not you'll see a new flyer who will jump into a Spit and yes they may get lucky and get a kill here and there. But in the long run they still have alot to learn about that plane and how to employ it. Simple fact is the FM is very forgiving and I'm sure you can find many articles by Spit pilots and they will say the same thing. You still have to know how to fly it to be successful it's not some automatic that if you fly it you'll be good. You still have to learn ACM and even more so than some airframes to employ that weapons platform in an arena such as the MA against a variety of different planes and be successful. It basically comes down to you still have to have good training and the difference it may make in a fight is being able to survive just more than a few evasive maneuvers as opposed to many and still have a fighting chance to survive. It's extremely capable defensive maneuvering will not win the fight and make you a better pilot just by itself.
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Best advice to give is fly what you want and be done with it.
Everyone will call every plane in the game a dweeb plane. Nothing can be done about it.
I stopped carring about what people said and thought a long time ago. This is a game. Enjoy it and dont make it out to be anything more than that and you'll be just fine;)
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Think the problem with all the dweeb planes is that getting kills in them is a rather boring rinse and repeat affair. Personally I prefer the FM2 over any Spit.
...-Gixer
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It turns forever makin u thinkl u are skilled
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LOVE the Spit V,makes me feel all gooey inside,then again,Im like that with everything Spitty shaped.......;)
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Best advice to give is fly what you want and be done with it.
Everyone will call every plane in the game a dweeb plane. Nothing can be done about it.
I stopped carring about what people said and thought a long time ago. This is a game. Enjoy it and dont make it out to be anything more than that and you'll be just fine;)
thats what im talking about!
i pay to fly whatever the hell i fricken want
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i like the spit because i can maneuver well in it. as for the fire power, you have to sit behind the enemy for awhile to smoke him. a 303 is a wonderful weapon and the 50 doesnt carry enough rounds. oh well, i like it......im a dweeb!! :aok
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I can get kills in a Spit V but I never land them. I usually end up getting ganged on the deck because I can't get away from the faster Spit IX, P-51D, and LA-7s that come up to avenge their fallen comrades.
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I HATE the Spit V !!!
I wouldn't fly that dweeb machine even if it was the last plane available. Only the weak and timid fly the Spit V or any other Spit variant.
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Think the problem with all the dweeb planes is that getting kills in them is a rather boring rinse and repeat affair
So your saying that a hard core turn fight is conciderd "rinse and repeat"?
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oooops
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I HATE the Spit V !!!
I wouldn't fly that dweeb machine even if it was the last plane available. Only the weak and timid fly the Spit V or any other Spit variant.
cool not only am i a dweed but im also weak and timid. weak and timid dweeb....has a ring to it, thanks slapshot:aok
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Rinse and repeat is because of how the game plays out. If it were played like what TOD is gonna be then it wouldn't seem that way. Majority of all engagements in the MA are what is called a "gaggle engagement" or furball. With this being the constant style of game play your right flying a plane such as the Spitfire will become rinse and repeat flights.
If you try to get away from that by using such things as altitude then you get called an alt dweeb. It doesn't matter what you do in this game someone will always have their own opinion on what you should and shouldn't fly and how you should employ them. If you had a 4 on 4 at altitudes above 15k you'd see the game play is more about ACM than it is about the pure gaggle fight.
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Originally posted by 101ABN
cool not only am i a dweed but im also weak and timid. weak and timid dweeb....has a ring to it, thanks slapshot:aok
Hehehe ... no problem ... (check my Tour 47 Plane stats)
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why would you even want to fly a plane other than the wonderful Spitfire F. Mk Vb?
Oh yeah, a clipped wing L.F. Mk Vb. :)
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Originally posted by RedTop
Is this considered a dweeby plane? Just wondering. I'm not going to quit flying it....But I see the ole "Spit Dweeb" run across the channels and I'm wondering if they are in a V or IX.
Thoughts?:confused:
Hey Red. I think the rule is, any plane you use to shoot someone down is a dweeb plane. Doesn't matter if you are in a C202. The only exception to the rule is when the other guy is in the same plane or if they shoot you down. Then they are just better pilots. :D
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Originally posted by dedalos
Hey Red. I think the rule is, any plane you use to shoot someone down is a dweeb plane. Doesn't matter if you are in a C202. The only exception to the rule is when the other guy is in the same plane or if they shoot you down. Then they are just better pilots. :D
No, then they must have Ho'd you, or Ganged you, or or were alt monkeys.... there is ALWAYS a reason the other guy kicked your ass, other than your LOFT :)
-Sik
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red top your a dweeb
Sign,
Your CO : USmeddog
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Originally posted by Sikboy
No, then they must have Ho'd you, or Ganged you, or or were alt monkeys.... there is ALWAYS a reason the other guy kicked your ass, other than your LOFT :)
-Sik
He he he, I was describing what it looks like for the winner of the batle. You are describing what they look like to me after they kill me.
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hehehe...My CO calls me a Dweeb. ROFLMBO.
THATS IT MEDD...TO THE DA you SKILLESS WONDER YOU.
J/K:rofl Boss
And Sik......It takes no skill to kick my rear..and my "LOFT" as you called it is VERY evident if you ever see me fly.
Thanks all.....
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Originally posted by Steve
Dweeb has a long history in flight sims, young padawan. It's origin goes back to even before my time.
I can tell you w/ certainty two things: It has nothing to do w/ "whine" and we are all dweebs.
...a long time ago, in a virtual world far, far away....dweeb was the accepted form of insult (and the only one that could be used with the assurance that you would not be banned come Monday morning :)). Generally speaking, a dweeb is a clueless individual.
A wise (or so he said) Air Warrior once said, "If you think you are not a dweeb...then you probably are a dweeb." The Great Paradox of Dweebdom :).
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eskimo
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Originally posted by 101ABN
cool not only am i a dweed but im also weak and timid. weak and timid dweeb....has a ring to it, thanks slapshot
Hey we dont call it SlapV for nothing:D
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The 800yd shots are BS. But a little birdie tells me that these might be a thing of the past in AH2. :cool:
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Originally posted by beet1e
The 800yd shots are BS. But a little birdie tells me that these might be a thing of the past in AH2. :cool:
I have never, ever, scored an 800 yrd kill in a Spit V, and I have spent a considerable amount of time in this bird.
All gunnery in AH II is just a tad more different. If your con flys straight and level, and you have the right gun package, I would believe that you will get kills at 800 yrds ... its not out of the realism zone.
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Spit V? Nothing dweebier.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Um yeah, cause there's no other possible explanation for the moves you pull in that thing :lol Can you teach me that reverse you do so well?
Spit V is a pilots plane, it doesn't have the speed to outrun so you must kill everyone before you can go home. If you can keep your SA up enough it's damn near invinceable.
g00b
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I have never, ever, scored an 800 yrd kill in a Spit V, and I have spent a considerable amount of time in this bird....Slapshot
Ask BigB717, Slappy. He was BnZ'n me the other night in his 109 vs. me in the mkV. Out of desparation I snapped off a few rounds of cannon and MG at his tail end @748m. Next thing I knew, he was saying something about a BS shot and plummetting to the earth.:rofl
I told him I thought it was pretty stellar shooting, and then he agreed.:) He was OK after that...
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redtop my fearless escort pilot we all dweebs in ah some just dont want to admit it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I have never, ever, scored an 800 yrd kill in a Spit V, and I have spent a considerable amount of time in this bird.
All gunnery in AH II is just a tad more different. If your con flys straight and level, and you have the right gun package, I would believe that you will get kills at 800 yrds ... its not out of the realism zone.
A few of us were up in Corsairs/Hellcats against Taki's Tyrants on Monday. One of the tactics I saw deployed was the pseudo-HO - Go for an HO, but as I would avoid it the N1K would flip over and set up a shot from as much as 800 yards. One guy was proud that he got me from 861 yards. :mad:
Judging from accounts of pilots and WW2 historians, that would be well outside the realism zone. Our own Douglas Bader once accidentally discharged a few rounds at a German plane (109 I think) some 800 yards distant, and was amazed to see the thing start leaking oil. His wingmen were equally amazed! I doubt anyone actually shot wings off at that kind of range. (Dispersion etc.) As for cannon rounds "flying" that far, erm....
Outsiders to AH often speak of AH's laser gunnery. I no longer have to ask them what they mean by that.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
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eskimo
This skin needs to be made official.
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Originally posted by beet1e
A few of us were up in Corsairs/Hellcats against Taki's Tyrants on Monday. One of the tactics I saw deployed was the pseudo-HO - Go for an HO, but as I would avoid it the N1K would flip over and set up a shot from as much as 800 yards. One guy was proud that he got me from 861 yards. :mad:
Judging from accounts of pilots and WW2 historians, that would be well outside the realism zone. Our own Douglas Bader once accidentally discharged a few rounds at a German plane (109 I think) some 800 yards distant, and was amazed to see the thing start leaking oil. His wingmen were equally amazed! I doubt anyone actually shot wings off at that kind of range. (Dispersion etc.) As for cannon rounds "flying" that far, erm....
Outsiders to AH often speak of AH's laser gunnery. I no longer have to ask them what they mean by that.
Stolen from the "P-51 is ovemodled" thread. A quote from a P-51 Ace ...
My flight chased 12 109s south of Vienna. They climbed and we followed, unable to close on them. At 38,000 feet I fired a long burst at one of them from at least a 1000 yards, and saw some strikes. It rolled over and dived and I followed but soon reached compressibility with severe buffeting of the tail and loss of elevator control. I slowed my plane and regained control, but the 109 got away.
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I don't fly the spits much but...
I love to see em... When you see spits you know there is a fight... when you see peeee 51's or deeee9's pr geee10's you know that there will be no fun to be had.
sooo... spits mean... area full of fun fights...
late war fast planes mean... no fights other than dodge ball or chase the runner.
small maps or cv with spits around... lots of fun...
peeeee 51's and pizza map..... enemies of fun.
lazs
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Thank god i fly Peee51's i hate to let you have any fun.
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you supply enough amusement for me by just being yourself wild.
lazs
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At least you have some amusement in your sad life...
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yes... but then, I am easily amused.
lazs
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I too seem to share the same trait..
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get your own traits.
lazs
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Genius remark.. Till next time!
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Stolen from the "P-51 is ovemodled" thread. A quote from a P-51 Ace ...
I haven't even seen that thread.
BTW Slap, tnx for your private message. Did you get my reply? I had sent an email to the subject, but it bounced back.
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Originally posted by beet1e
I haven't even seen that thread.
BTW Slap, tnx for your private message. Did you get my reply? I had sent an email to the subject, but it bounced back.
Here is the thread ...
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114803
No reply ... hmmmmm
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If you consider the spit5 a dweeb plane, then the hurcIIc must be included. It's your money, fly what you like, if someone calls you a dweeb, shoot them down again....in a spit5! Do not let the arrogance of the main dictate what you fly, if you have fun in the spit5, then by all means fly it, have fun, it's just a game. If you get tired of hearing someone whine, squelch him.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Here is the thread ...
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114803
No reply ... hmmmmm
Obviously the rounds fired that do not hit the target continue to travel, and might hit another target beyond the first one. Cannon rounds being heavier and with a lower muzzle velocity would not fly as well as the .50 cal rounds of the P51. One of the reasons I like the F4U1D is because the 50s fly better, and the gunsight is high - great combo for deflection shots.
But there is the matter of dispersion. If convergence is at 250 yards then it follows that after 250yds the rounds will be diverging. At 1000yds, the rounds would be dispersed over a wide area. I've no doubt that there could be some "lucky hits" at those ranges, but the heavier the round the sooner the kinetic energy would be spent, and the damage caused would be much less.
So whereas we read of some hits at long ranges, those accounts are rare. I have never seen an account of a wing being sheared off at that range, and certainly not as a matter of routine as is the case in AH.
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I wish i could get levi in the da. He taught me a couple spit 5 moves one night after i engaged him 4 seperate times. I only beat him once but I learned what i call the double immelman. Spit 5 does it incredibly well and will leave your furballin victim floating around with no airspeed looking franticaly out the cockpit. Thanx Levi
:)
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Hiya Jaxxo......Levi as whippppppped me many times in that spit 5. Main reason I got to flying it is the way he whipped me so fast. He is really goood in it.
I love flying it now. Lots of fun. No running..Not many B&Z's in it either. (a couple or 3 times is about it)
Just a blast.:D