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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Jester on April 22, 2004, 11:57:32 PM
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Fellow Luftwaffe and Axis ETO squads;
I would like to propose that we form a Combined OPS group - LUFTFLOTTE 3 - to run missions together in the CT when there is an ETO/MTO scenario.
We could have a set mission perhaps one night a week - say on Thursday night when most of the squads fly in the CT.
Each squad would be assigned a job during the mission depending on the size of their squad and ability. Each squad would also rotate the assignement of working up a mission for the group each week so everyone will get a chance to lead and one bunch won't get stuck with all the work.
Any Commanding Officers that are interested in this and possibly joining Luftflotte 3 please drop me an e-mail. The link is on my signature below.
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GOOD LUCK AND GOOD HUNTING JAGDFLIEGER! HORRIDO!
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Wow it got so quiet I dont even hear any crickets.:p
Dont push, quit fighting to be the first to volunteer , theres plenty of room. Hey stop the cutting in line!!!:D
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my squad would be interested, I will contact my Komader, OH!! wait duh! *slips back into an alcoholic stuper*
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Since the Gunfighters (basically a one man squad, me) fly for the side with lowest numbers, that means we (I) are a defacto Axis squad, we (I) would be happy to help in any way.
BTW, the Gunfighters are recruiting. :)
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If you need some solo participation, i could fly a goon at alt and drop a single troop over a number of bases to get them all flashing! :D
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Awww, we have to fly with the nazis?
*Always feels dirty after flying a german plane*
When is this happening btw?
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Well, we are not officially going to be either Axis or Allied, we still switch as numbers dictate, but as a rough guess, I'd say 65-75% of the time Allies have the numbers advantage. I still love flying with both sides, but the fact is I find myself in Axis gear most of the week.
Also, I didnt mean that to sound like I was upset you dont fly the CT more Punisher, fly there as little or as much as you like I dont mind at all. The Gunfighters are a....uh..."loose" organization. :D
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Awww, we have to fly with the nazis?
*Always feels dirty after flying a german plane*
When is this happening btw?
Well sailor , there are no Nazis in JG54, as far as I know there are none in JG-3, JG-51, or JG-7. Yes I do take offense at being called a NAZI, even as a joke.
Don't bother dirtying yourself to help out the guys flying Axis. I'd rather take on the Allies all by myself instead of flying alongside a puke like you.:lol
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JG 7 is in!
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Well... it sound like a good idea,think it'll work?
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Woo, insulted someone! First of the day!
And no, I don't retract my statement.
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Wow Jester, this makes an awesome plan for the Mighty Iron!. You Can Most Definatly count the JG 51 "Mölders" <2 Staffel> in this Loftlotte 3!!!!! We are in on it! And there are no nazis in JG 51. There are no nazis in JG 54, JG 3, or JG 7 neither. So don't go calling us nazis. There is a different between the German Military and "Nazis" The "Nazis" Were Hitler's and his top Ranked Officials, and the Gestapo. Now, The German Military, comprised of an air force, navy, and Army... were not nazis. They were just the military that served their country. So... I hope this sets your little "Nazi" thinking tush free boy. Anyway... JG 51, 54, 3, and 7 shall rule the skies!!
HORRIDO!!
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Oh I see, you're trying to justify what the germans did in WW2.
No problem, I got ya. ;)
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actually.... you called us "nazis" you know..... the axis side. And uuhh.... too many people think that all the germans were nazis in WW2, I simply corrected you. As i have many other people around my neighborhood, of what the german army and the nazis were. So yeah, you get my point. :)
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Might as well put your head back in your a $ $ lasersailor....you blew it on this one.
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Don't worry about it Acepappy. Those germans who weren't in the nazi party were trying to justify what they did even though they allowed such crap to go on.
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Originally posted by AcePappy
There is a different between the German Military and "Nazis" The "Nazis" Were Hitler's and his top Ranked Officials, and the Gestapo. Now, The German Military, comprised of an air force, navy, and Army... were not nazis. They were just the military that served their country. So... I hope this sets your little "Nazi" thinking tush free boy.
bzzzzzztttt.
There were plenty of nazi's in the military, both rank and file and higherups. It was nothing more than a political move by some of the higher ranking officers in order to advance their careers, Of course there were probaly some "true nazis" among those, anyway.
While the military branches were not nazi per se, there were nazi's all over in the military branches.
Doesn't make them any less culpable for engaging in a war of aggression at the orders of "nazis." They got their collective tulips kicked as a result.
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DING!
On the money.
I'll give the ones in ranks who sabotaged the war effort benefit of the doubt. ;)
Now ... here's a perspective perhaps apologists and non-apologists can learn to live with:
If we're gonna "role-play" it .... then don't confuse the play with a personal attack. If I say "Let's kick some Nazi butt!" I'm NOT saying "Let's kick the butts of all the players in JG (whatever) because they're all Nazis!" Get it? Got it? Good. :D
(Getting offended comes naturally to some. Kinda like breathing and farting .... or visa versa)
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WOW! WAY TO GO! There ya have it! Shane jumping into the *****s like always! Man ya must be full of it by now. Uhh.... as far as the point of nazis in world war 2. Uhh..... If you look on history, The Germans really did'nt get their oscares kicked much. They were more less kicking OUR oscares in World War 2. Only till the end of war with Russia's strong help, did we start winning. So get your facts correct!, Got My Point now? Great! Now Sleep well tonight my friend. :-)
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Kommodore
JG 51 "Mölders"
Callsign: «2 Staƒƒel»
"Some Kill That Dirty Bastage for me!"
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Noun 1. Nazi - a German member of Adof Hitler's political party:DlNazi Germany or the Third Reich commonly refers to Germany The Federal Republic of Germany is one of the world's major industrialised countries, located in central Europe. It is bordered to the north by the North Sea, Denmark and the Baltic Sea, to its east by Poland and the Czech Republic, to the south by Austria and Switzerland and to its west by France, Luxembourg, Belgium and the Netherlands. Germany is a founding member of the European Union.
when it was under the firm control of Adolf Hitler Adolf Hitler (April 20, 1889 - April 30, 1945) was the self-proclaimed Führer of Nazi Germany. Hitler was leader of the Nazi Party, Chancellor of Germany and was head of government as well as state. The military-industrial complex he helped create pulled Germany out of a post-World War I economic crisis and, at its height, controlled the greater part of Europe. The regime he led, however, also caused the deaths of millions and the displacement of millions more. Hitler, a gifted orator with great personal presence, is regarded as one of the most significant leaders of the 20th century. In the end he died by his own hand with his "Thousand Year Reich" in ruins around him.
and the ideology of National Socialism "Nazism" or "National Socialism" refers to the politics of the dictatorship which ruled Germany from 1933 to 1945, "the Third Reich". Nazism is commonly associated with Fascism; although, the Nazis claimed to espouse a nationalist totalitarian form of socialism (as opposed to Marxist international socialism).
The German National Socialist Party advocated "Nationalsozialismus" ("National Socialism"). However, some disagree "By majority consent of both socialists and non-socialists, National Socialism (Nazism) and kindred movements are not considered to be socialist."
The term Nazi is a short form of the German Nationalsozialismus; the ideology was institutionalized in the NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) , the National Socialist German Workers' Party, or Nazi Party
The National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei), better known as the NSDAP or the Nazi Party was a political party that was led to power in Germany by Adolf Hitler in 1933. The term Nazi is a short form of the German Nationalsozialismus (National Socialism); the ideology of the NSDAP.
The party was the main political force in Nazi Germany from the fall of the Weimar Republic in 1933 until the end of World War II in 1945, when it was declared illegal and its leaders were arrested and convicted of crimes against humanity at the Nuremberg trials.
The Nazi regime was characterized by political control of every aspect of society (Gleichschaltung The German word Gleichschaltung is a composite noun. Gleich means "equal"; Schaltung is derived from the verb schalten ("to switch"). It can be translated as "consolidation", "synchronization", or "phasing". However, the term appears most commonly in a political sense to describe the process by which the Nazi regime successively established a system of total control and coordination of all aspects of society.
in a quest for racial (Aryan, Nortic white), social and cultural purity. The Nazi Party pursued its aims through persecution of those considered impure, especially against targeted minority groups such as Jews Jew is a term used to denote both followers of a religion and members of an ethnicity (adj. Jewish). In a religious sense, the term refers to followers of Judaism. In an ethnic sense, it refers to those who have once joined the nation which traces its ancestry from the patriarch Abraham through his son Isaac and in particular Jacob, the son of Issac. Ethnic Jews include both Observant Jews and those who, while not practicing Judaism as a religion, still identify themselves as Jews in a cultural or ethnic sense.
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Widerstand is the name given to the resistance movements in Nazi Germany.
From 1938 to 1945, there was 17 assassination attempts against Adolf Hitler by the German Resistance.
Quotes
"We must not make the mistake of thinking that all those who eat the bread of dictatorship are evil from the first; but they must necessarily become evil....The curse of a system of terror is that there is no turning back; neither in the large realm of policies nor the 'smaller' realm of everyday human relationships is it possible for men to retrace their steps." - Hans Bernd Gisevius
During this period of time were around 6 million Jews and sundry others (eg homosexuals, Slavs and political prisoners) systematically killed and more than 10 million people were put in slavery. This genocide
Genocide has been defined as the deliberate killing of people based on their ethnicity, nationality, race, religion, or (sometimes) politics. There is disagreement over whether the term genocide ought to be used for politically-motivated mass murders in general (compare "democide").
is referred to as the Holocaust The word Holocaust (Greek, "a completely (holos) burnt (kaustos) sacrificial offering") was introduced in the late 20th century to refer to the attempt of Nazi-ruled Germany to exterminate those groups of people it found "undesirable".
Terminology and definition
The term is primarily used to refer to the systematic extermination of the millions of Jews living in Europe before the war, according to the extensive documentation left behind by the Nazis themselves (written and photographed), eye-witness testimony (by survivors, perpetrators, and bystanders), and the statistical records of the various countries under occupation.
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term "Endlösung The final solution (German Endlösung) is the name of the German Nazis' plan to address the "Jewish problem" through systematic relocation and later extermination through genocide. The term was coined by Adolf Eichmann, a top Nazi official who supervised the genocidal campaign.
Heinrich Himmler was the main architect of the slaughter which would eventually exterminate three-quarters of all European Jews. On July 31, 1941, under instructions from Adolf Hitler, Nazi official Hermann Göring, ordered SS general Reinhard Heydrich to "submit to me as soon as possible a general plan of the administrative material and financial measures necessary for carrying out the desired final solution of the Jewish question."
"Final Solution."
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Originally posted by AcePappy
Uhh..... If you look on history, The Germans really did'nt get their oscares kicked much. They were more less kicking OUR oscares in World War 2. Only till the end of war with Russia's strong help, did we start winning. So get your facts correct!,
let's see.... allies
a) kicked tulips in BoB
b) kicked them out of afrika.
c) tore up their puny navy and evil u-boats
d) managed air superiority after '43
e) swept them from southern italy
f) successfully invaded europe
g) generally pushed them further and further back through western europe
h) kicked tulips at bologne
no where in the above did russia help directly. they indirectly helped by tying up the krauts in russia (and kicking their tulips there).
mayhap *you* need to bone up on your history. don't confuse minor tactical vicctories early on with the general piss-poor overall strategy evidenced throughout the entire war.
germany lost.
deal with it.
:aok
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Only due to the failur by hitler to realize the potential of the scientific advances mane by the german aircraft designers,and his treatment of the jews.
Think how ot would have turnd out if the things he did to the jews never happen,and used the jet and rocket technoligy from the start of the war.Things could have ended in a different outcome:confused:
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and what if hitler was never born?
what if france an dthe otehr western european countries were more prepared to repel the initial invasion?
what if america jumped in sooner?
what if 1 of those 17 assination attempts were successful?
what if....
what if....
what if....
none of it *did*
germany lost.
deal with it.
:rofl
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Well...Well...a Jahgheschwader join up eh? Sound pretty good but would like to know if Thursday will be the day or will it change. Also how will this work will some sqds have to change there sqd names to fit the major sqd?...supposivly? Need more info. before i really would decide ...But so far it sounds good~ :)
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Originally posted by Shane
While the military branches were not nazi per se, there were nazi's all over in the military branches.
Heh heh.
Reminds me of our earlier discussions, with Hortlund in particular. Started here: http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46307&referrerid=4533
Spilled over to here when people complained that the discussion was in the wrong forum: http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46469&referrerid=4533
I just realized that I actually miss Hortlund. Wonder what happened to him?
- oldman (who notes, btw, that the CT forum, while closer than Aircraft and Vehicles, is perhaps still not the forum in which to have this discussion)
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heh. wondered how long it'd be before you chimed in.
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This string started out with great intent, but has wasted away to the same old slashfest of the CT I remember so well!
Although we all have fun in the CT when we do fly here, there is always a reminder of how nasty it can get between the sides. Lots of insults and needless bickering.
No, JG-3 are by no means angels when it comes to doing their fair share of trash talking, but I no longer wish for us to be in that position. I do not wish to commit JG-3 to this group at this time.
However, when we do decide to pop in from time to time, we would welcome the chance to do some coordinated ops with the Axis forces. Thanks.
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damn nazi worshippers. you disgust me.
Only (major) country who's arse germany kicked was France (invaded Denmark, Norway, Belgium, France, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the Channel Islands, Romania, Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union)
OMG THE MIGHTY FRANCE! They failed when pitted against any reasonable force against them.
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Would you guys mind please GETTING THE HELL OUT OF MY FARKING POST!
I don't recall trying to start a drive to up the Party membership or trying to set up a midnight torch lit parade or even setting up "Goose Stepping" practice. In fact, I don't think the world "Nazi" ever came up in my post PERIOD.
If your not a CO of an Axis squad interested in the above project please go get your own damn thread.
In fact, if you are not interested in the project - WHY THE HELL did you post here in the first place!?! JESUS CHRIST AND GENERAL JACKSON! Get a damn life!
Thank you.
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If you're not in a gang don't spraypaint this wall. Private wall. Get your own wall. ;)
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Originally posted by Shane
what if france an dthe otehr western european countries were more prepared to repel the initial invasion?
what if 1 of those 17 assination attempts were successful?
Watch it Shane!! Bradys spelling is rubbing off on ya.;)
Hey everybody guess what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The fediddlein Nazi's and Germans lost the war. The good guys won whoot whoot!!
This is a game, I play it for fun. It's like playing cowboys and indians, somebodys got to be the indians. Those of us that are willing to do it would appreciate not being called, refered to, implied at , or even jokingly identified as a NAZI. I'm an American, I served in the USAF for 16 years. I have two sons serving in the United States Army , one just got back from Iraq, one still there.
I won't tolerate being called a NAZI , especially by some jagoff hiding behind his computer monitor. Who probably needs to find a way to make himself feel superior. It's a freakin game leave the 60 year old Bullchit politics out of it.
Thank you , Thank you very much.:D
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What if Hitler was born a jew,and Einstien ruled germany:confused:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/c/c3/Atomic_blast.jpg)
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Originally posted by Löwe
somebodys got to be the indians
It's a freakin game leave the 60 year old Bullchit politics out of it.
What he said.
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Dangggggggggggggggggggggggggg ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg ggggggggggggggggg
What a bunch of pissants, what Lowe said. sheesh.
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Originally posted by Jester
In fact, if you are not interested in the project - WHY THE HELL did you post here in the first place!?! JESUS CHRIST AND GENERAL JACKSON! Get a damn life!
Thank you.
now both jesus and jackson were *** kickers. but like the nazis the rebels' poor overall stratergery cost them the war.
the jury is still out on jesus.
:D
i fly lw quite abit, if someone said on ch1, or even here, "die die die nazi scum" all in the context of "gameplay" it'd not bother me one whit.
but i'm not as sensitive a soul as some.
for those who are, let me remind you what mommy and daddy taught you however long ago....
"sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me."
now go have your stuart smalley moment.
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Originally posted by Löwe
This is a game, I play it for fun. It's like playing cowboys and indians, somebodys got to be the indians. Those of us that are willing to do it would appreciate not being called, refered to, implied at , or even jokingly identified as a NAZI. I'm an American, I served in the USAF for 16 years. I have two sons serving in the United States Army , one just got back from Iraq, one still there.
I won't tolerate being called a NAZI , especially by some jagoff hiding behind his computer monitor. Who probably needs to find a way to make himself feel superior. It's a freakin game leave the 60 year old Bullchit politics out of it.
Thank you , Thank you very much.:D
Whoa, hombre. Point of order here.
1. LS merely stated "Awww, we have to fly with the nazis?" (No accusations of any player in AH actually being a member of the Nazi party, a supporter of the Nazi cause or even a veteran of the war having fought in the German forces under Adolph Hitler. A complete generalization. It could even be taken as "Awww, we have to be the BAD guys?")
2. You assumed he just called every AH player in a German plane a Nazi and took offense.
3. AcePappy got offended too and made his own generalized claims defending "the good Germans."
4. Shane offered a more realistic viewpoint.
5. I hinted that nobody was being singled out as a Nazi. (Anyone immediately jumping to that conclusion appears to have jumped too far, too fast and may even need to ask themselves why.)
6. AcePappy got all excited and tried to convince everyone that the Nazis ... errr ... Germans ... kicked everyone's arses up to just about the end when they decided to stop because Hitler shot himself.
7. Gear found a dictionary and decided to educate everyone on what Webster defines a Nazi to be.
8. Shane and Gear and OM debated the finer points for a bit.
9. TwoDogs reaffirmed that JG3 will not be officially flying in the CT still.
10. Furball stirred the pot and took a jab ... as he may as well have because the thread was melting down anyway.
11. Jester declared the thread off limits to non-virtual-Jagedschwader personel.
12. I spraypainted an Allied tag on the wall.
13. You got offended all over again (ironically mentioning how it's all just a game)
14. Gear unintentionally supported Shane's "what ifs."
Ok .... so like .... "Cowboys and Indians" ... yup .... or "Army" .... I guess in the former if one of the kids playing a cowboy calls you a "low down savage redskin injun" you may feel as offended as one in the latter calling you a "dirty ol' Nazi." I'd say in either case you should probably not play the bad guy. :(
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Originally posted by Arlo
Ok .... so like .... "Cowboys and Indians" ... yup .... or "Army" .... I guess in the former if one of the kids playing a cowboy calls you a "low down savage redskin injun" you may feel as offended as one in the latter calling you a "dirty ol' Nazi.":(
Naw I wouldnt have been offended .................... I would have just scalped the lil bastage.:D
I admit I should have just ignored lasersailor. It's my fault this thread de-railed. Offended no I wasn't ......I was pissed though because Jesters trying to do something to make the CT a little more competitive , and as usual somebody who has nothing positive to offer has to sling a **** ball.
Maybe he's like you just a missunderstood individual who has to horn in and throw his opinon in every thread even if the subject doesnt apply to him.
You guys could open a support group....... Threads Anonymous.
"Hello I'm Arlo,,, I'm a compulsive replier who has to add a smartprettythang comment to every thread. No matter what the
subject.":D
CUT THE POLITICS FLY THE SIM.......It's that simple.:aok
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Originally posted by Löwe
Naw I wouldnt have been offended .................... I would have just scalped the lil bastage.:D
I admit I should have just ignored lasersailor. It's my fault this thread de-railed. Offended no I wasn't ......I was pissed though because Jesters trying to do something to make the CT a little more competitive , and as usual somebody who has nothing positive to offer has to sling a **** ball.
Maybe he's like you just a missunderstood individual who has to horn in and throw his opinon in every thread even if the subject doesnt apply to him.
You guys could open a support group....... Threads Anonymous.
"Hello I'm Arlo,,, I'm a compulsive replier who has to add a smartprettythang comment to every thread. No matter what the
subject.":D
CUT THE POLITICS FLY THE SIM.......It's that simple.:aok
Guess we are going to have to learn how to fly the blue planes...
Just take it a little easy on us...
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Wow, this got extended way past what I thought it would be.
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Repost a fresh message after all the crap dies down Lowe, and just ignore the retards, otherwise its a pointless exercise. I can recall many a good post going to s*** over the "nazi" thing, and I have not been around that long compared to many.
Really too bad.
Maybe try the Squadrons section. I hope you get a few LW units to together for the CT somehow. Very worth while endevour.
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Originally posted by Löwe
Maybe he's like you just a missunderstood individual who has to horn in and throw his opinon in every thread even if the subject doesnt apply to him.
You guys could open a support group....... Threads Anonymous.
"Hello I'm Arlo,,, I'm a compulsive replier who has to add a smartprettythang comment to every thread. No matter what the
subject.":D
Well he certainly isn't one of the hypersensitive types who think everytime the word Nazi is posted in the CT it's a personal attack against HIM. Yeah .... misunderstood ... that's it. :D
As far as the original intent of the thread goes .... you know I'm glad to see as many players fly Loofty boids as can in the CT. Done said it more than once. More power to ya. Especially since JG3 players never ever fly the CT no mo ... well .... except on occasion .... some of them ..... almost nightly. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
10. Furball stirred the pot and took a jab ... as he may as well have because the thread was melting down anyway.
sorry, i just couldn't resist :D
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Originally posted by wolf05
This string started out with great intent, but has wasted away to the same old slashfest of the CT I remember so well!
Although we all have fun in the CT when we do fly here, there is always a reminder of how nasty it can get between the sides. Lots of insults and needless bickering.
No, JG-3 are by no means angels when it comes to doing their fair share of trash talking, but I no longer wish for us to be in that position. I do not wish to commit JG-3 to this group at this time.
However, when we do decide to pop in from time to time, we would welcome the chance to do some coordinated ops with the Axis forces. Thanks.
I would have to say i am with TwoDogs and the 'Udet', at this time i wish not to put my men in on this. ty
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Axis - players are not Nazis, no one said they were. Term was used in its historic sense. I suppose Gerry or Kraut would suffice.
Allies - players are not Tories, Republicans, Democrats or Commies. Yanks, Limey's, and Ruskies will suffice.
Keeping with this tone of moderation - for the debate about who was winning when?
Irrelevant. Germany was the one who finished the war partitioned.
However for those who want to insist that Germany won you can do so only by arguing that it won in the same way Japan won - by being the beneficiary of an obscene amount of American capital in the post-war era.
Now that I've finished being evenhanded - can we kill the thread?
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can we kill the thread?
Sure. But what about the Italians?
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Allies - players are not Tories, Republicans, Democrats or Commies. Yanks, Limey's, and Ruskies will suffice.
They are farm bois.....
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Just dont call us Liberals .
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Originally posted by Batz
They are farm bois.....
For the longest time I just thought it was Bradyspeak. Turns out it's gay "culture" speak. Go figure. :eek:
I'm never search engineing to find out what Wotan's going off on ... ever again. That's a weird alley to end up in. But hey ... shoulda figured. He also idolizes the "droogs." :lol
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Originally posted by Jester
Fellow Luftwaffe and Axis ETO squads;
I would like to propose that we form a Combined OPS group - LUFTFLOTTE 3 - to run missions together in the CT when there is an ETO/MTO scenario.
We could have a set mission perhaps one night a week - say on Thursday night when most of the squads fly in the CT.
Each squad would be assigned a job during the mission depending on the size of their squad and ability. Each squad would also rotate the assignement of working up a mission for the group each week so everyone will get a chance to lead and one bunch won't get stuck with all the work.
Any Commanding Officers that are interested in this and possibly joining Luftflotte 3 please drop me an e-mail. The link is on my signature below.
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GOOD LUCK AND GOOD HUNTING JAGDFLIEGER! HORRIDO!
Let's get this thread back on track.
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Hello Axis Pilots. I have decided to disban JG 51 "Molders" from Aces High, I let my friend take it over and he is running it in a game called "Secret Weapons of World War II" and I let my old 248 RAF Sqn "Yorkshire Coast" disban from AH, I decided to take this squad to a game called "Battle of Britain". I now am a new member of an allied squad in AH "VMF 312 Checkerboards" So there ya have it... sry Jester, it's been fun, but im so used to flying allied planes man, just cant get the hold of axis material, anywayz, I hope everything works out great for you JG 54 guys,
Good Luck and Good Hunting!
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Originally posted by Furball
damn nazi worshippers. you disgust me.
Only (major) country who's arse germany kicked was France (invaded Denmark, Norway, Belgium, France, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the Channel Islands, Romania, Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union)
OMG THE MIGHTY FRANCE! They failed when pitted against any reasonable force against them.
Thus speaketh the spotty 20 year old......