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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Adogg on April 23, 2004, 08:42:47 AM
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I don't get it.
Is this about a public spanking or was there something else going on?:(
I've read the latest posts and it seems like so much dick-waving.
:rolleyes:
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Nothing to make up about that I know of, I was just giving humble a strong message to drop the topic.
HiTech
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All this talk about public spankings and dick-waving makes me think of SOB's trouser trout.
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Now THERE'S a mental picture..
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Lol people actually wave with their dicks....
...trying not to think of it tho...
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I was wondering why my pants were tingling.
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Adogg....
It's really pretty simple...
Radshack posted a topic that was later locked (rightfully so). My reply had basically two parts...
Bottom line is simple...the best defense against the above mentioned topic is vigilance and the folks at AH do everything they can on this particular issue (least the airborne part)...if you see something you think is wrong...and you have it on film...send it to skuzzy...it has no place here.
The second part could of been construed as a personal attack by Radshack...
As for your "professional opinion"... your about as wrong as you could be on all points...if you put your comment out on anyone of 100 bbs boards you'd have a deluge of folks showing just how wrong you are....leave em on DOD and such where they belong...
He posted back a very thoughtful and well considered reply which I felt I should answer...on the bbs where I posted the original
reply...
Knowing its a sensitive issue I started...
I don't want to continue a topic that should never have started or in anyway leave you feeling you were "attacked".... and ended...skuzzy and crew are exceptionally vigilent and that is the true first line of defense...as for my comments on the other thread...lets simply leave it with an apology for some hasty comments....
The issue here is simple...as I've stated on this bbs at least 50 times (mostly in defense of hitechs actions)...it's his company, he built it and he can do what he wants with it.
As a customer I can choose to support the product or not...
When this game started the "customer" was important.I've been here since almost the beginning of the open beta. I understand and respect Hitechs right to run his business his way but personally he's made it clear to me that the individual customer doesnt matter anymore. It's simply a numbers game...funny but thats why alot of us left either AW or WB's.
My thread wasnt going anywhere or causing any harm...simply showing what I felt was a proper level of respect to both the poster and the game...as a customer I dont ask for much...but I think there's a minimal level of respect that all customers should enjoy.
Obviously Hitech feels differently...
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Originally posted by Tarmac
All this talk about public spankings and dick-waving makes me think of SOB's trouser trout.
haha, trouser trout.lol
Pant pike, shorts shad, briefs bass, knicker kicker.....it's all so overwhelming. I can never think of fishing in the same way:(
I can't wait to use that one when an over zealous park warden asks if thats all the fish we have to declare, i'll ask him "unless you wanna see my trouser trout"...just hope he's not a smart bellybutton and tells me to throw it back cause it's too small :eek:
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Classic case of the MAN holding you down...:lol
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The original thread was locked, humble started a new one on the same subject. HT locked that one and here we are with humble re hashing it again.
Ya think it would be easy enough to see that the whole subject should be dropped but some can't grasp it. Then their feelings get hurt when they get called on it.
Radshak has 3 posts of this forum. All in the “cheating” thread he started. Shade, troll or probe it really doesn’t matter but HT has been clear is shutting down threads like that. Some one who has hung around as long as humble has should know that.
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No reason to fan flames. The post you talk about was more an apology to radshak than a continuation of the locked subject.
Hopefully they'll work it out.
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Quote the apology.
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Originally posted by humble
Though you quit?
-Lute III/JG26 9th ST WidowMakers
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... don't say, breath, fart or *think* the word CH**T.
Can I talk about Cheating on my wife?
Cheating on my income tax?
Cheating on my mistress?
Or are those topics also strictly off limits (even in the O club?)
Thanks for the clarification guys.
I'll drop the topic now.
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Hopefully this little drama has illustrated the policy for people who may not have been here for any of the previous times this came up.
I'm sure we'll go through it again in 6 months or so, with the same result.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Batz
The original thread was locked, humble started a new one on the same subject. HT locked that one and here we are with humble re hashing it again.
Well Batz, I don't know how the hell everyone else reads it, but to me the subject read" Radshack" and the message looked like an apology or a call of truce, it did not look like humble was even trying to keep a locked thread going, he changed the subject and was speaking to Radshack directly.
you people on this BBS amaze me sometime by the way ya'll got to throw your 2 cents in everytime something gets jacked out of shape. As if you know what is right and what is wrong. This doesn't involve anyone but humble and Radshack, and now hitech, noone else.
humble was offering a truce nothing more, nothing less.
my apologies for having to throw my .02 in............
:rolleyes:
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He picked right up where he left the last one:
Bottom line is simple...the best defense against the above mentioned topic is vigilance and the folks at AH do everything they can on this particular issue (least the airborne part)...if you see something you think is wrong...and you have it on film...send it to skuzzy...it has no place here.
The second part could of been construed as a personal attack by Radshack...
As for your "professional opinion"... your about as wrong as you could be on all points...if you put your comment out on anyone of 100 bbs boards you'd have a deluge of folks showing just how wrong you are....leave em on DOD and such where they belong...
He didn't post that for posterity. HT locked both threads and he again posts the same thing here.
Again quote anything resembling an apology.
In fact it included comments such as
he's made it clear to me that the individual customer doesn’t matter anymore.
humble was offering a truce nothing more, nothing less.
Humble didn’t start this thread and offered nothing but a regurgitation of a few of his most recent posts. HT had to call him on comments he made it the gv thread as well.
So yeah your 2 cents were wasted, maybe re-read what has been written before investing again.
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"Quote the apology."
Here ya go
"As I said, skuzzy and crew are exceptionally vigilent and that is the true first line of defense...as for my comments on the other thread...lets simply leave it with an apology for some hasty comments...."
Did you really miss this or just ingnoring the obvious to dogpile?
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He was quoting himself from the other thread HT locked.
Did you miss that or are you just trying to start a dogpile of your own?
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Humble didn’t start this thread and offered nothing but a regurgitation of a few of his most recent posts. HT had to call him on comments he made it the gv thread as well
I didn't reguritate a thing (show me hwere if I'm wrong), and I certainly wasn't rehashing old news. My GV post simply asked a few questions that I felt needed to be asked...I said my piece and left it. I certainly wasnt trying to "jumpstart" a thread that I knew would be (and should be) locked.
HT & Pryo's "call" on my GV comments shows nothing more than the "thin skin" thats evolved. Anyone who's been around the GV's knows there are issues and I'm not the first to post about it...
I went out of my way to avoid crossing "that imaginary line" they've drawn and actually asked for guidance on how to report the "bugs"...
So yeah your 2 cents were wasted, maybe re-read what has been written before investing again
Batz,
I cant figure out of you cant read or cant think...
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Batz is ignoring it, to stir the pot, or what ever you want to call it. He must have a hate toward humble to try and smear him like this.
I explained/said in my post that humble started a new subject it said "Radshack" and it offered an apology or truce and it was directed toward Radshack only. Then humble reposted his apology along with other comments or opinions of his here in this thread, still the apology is clear.
I read all the posts, and I don't try to take things out of context or change what people mean when they type.
my 2cents was worth every freaking penny Batz if it gets under your skin!
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One piece of advice, Batz. NEVER, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, take the witness stand in a court case. You would be impeached in 15 seconds.
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Nice pile tards,
Humble,
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113341
This thread you made claims of bad code and called HTs work garbage.
That certainly in the same vein:
he's made it clear to me that the individual customer doesn’t matter anymore.
Same garbage warmed over.
You have been around long to know how those "cheating threads" go. They are deleted or locked. You then started another about the same thing and it was locked. Now you squeeze into this thread the same stuff that was locked in the other.
As I said:
Ya think it would be easy enough to see that the whole subject should be dropped but some can't grasp it. Then their feelings get hurt when they get called on it.
Anyway you quit didnt ya? Aint much else you need to say.
I don't smear humble just search his previous posts. He isnt a victim.
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Compared to the FM and other code the GV code is substandard...
I called the code garbage...not the overall product or the people behind it. I stand 100% behind that comment and you and others can choose to disagree.
Over the lst 6 months in other posts numerous folks have commented on the increasing lack of "customer sensitivity"...I found hitechs comment when he locked the thread to be rude, inconsiderate and unneccessary...
I did not try and restart the original thread, I felt the original poster deserved a posted response...the thread would of died right there.
I posted nothing here in my original post, I did try and answer a subsequent post and put what I felt relavent here...
My account is paid thru the end of march...I may or may not burn some of the perkies off but I dont see the need to continue.
I don't smear humble just search his previous posts. He isnt a victim.???
I've never claimed I'm a victim and you are certainly putting aspin on this...
The bottom line is simple...
As a general rule my posts are reasonably thought out and reasonably civil. they represent my opinion nad aren't automatically right (or wrong). Hopefully I've conducted myself in a reasonable and respectful manner. I'll certainly defend and/or modify my position as events dicdate...
Thanks for taking a moment to reply...
I completely disagree that calling a specific piece of a product garbage is an attack or is automatically insulting. It's simply criticism of one component. I've tried to make it constructive not combative in nature. I simply don't think it measures up to the standard you've set for yourself. ....
Thanks again for taking a moment to respond, thats all I (or any other customer can ask for). My comments are/were ment as constructive criticism of your product...not as an attack on you or your overall efforts
Anyway,
I have no desire to continue to rehash this, your certainly entitled to think whatever you want. And hitech and Pyro can run their company any way they see fit.
All the Best
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Over the lst 6 months in other posts numerous folks have commented on the increasing lack of "customer sensitivity"...I found hitechs comment when he locked the thread to be rude, inconsiderate and unneccessary...
Well I am sure he has read some of your posts which were equally rude, inconsiderate and unneccessary.
But in terms of Customer Service its never been better. A simply check on AH2 development shows that. Not only are they responding to requests but they are participating in a good many discussions.
Most recently they have adjusted the way fuel is loaded between the various tanks. They fixed issues with the 109 art etc...
You may feel that the way they respond to you is rude but as I said, you are not a victim.
Regards,
Batz/Wotan
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Well I am sure he has read some of your posts which were equally rude, inconsiderate and unneccessary ...
Please show me one....
But in terms of Customer Service its never been better. A simply check on AH2 development shows that. Not only are they responding to requests but they are participating in a good many discussions ...
I certainly hope AH2 turns out to be the product everyone is hoping for but it's hardly "customer service"...it is an attempt to position the product for a percieved shift in market dynamics.
Most recently they have adjusted the way fuel is loaded between the various tanks. They fixed issues with the 109 art etc...
Hmmm, and this is more important than adding the Ki-84 (in AH2 Beta or here) or another plane or GV. Major releases are a complicated issue and represent significant investment of time and resources so I understand the lack of continued support for AH1...however a minor bone would certainly help now and then.
Again though your twisting the issue with half truths and distortions. This is simply about the interaction between a company and its customer(s)...in closing I'll give you a true story.
since I've lived here I've bought 5 cars (excluding my XK-8) all were sold to me by 1 dealership here...recently my wife wanted a new truck I went back and they had 1 that was perfect..and offered it at invoice...only problem is everyone else was offering the same truck (with different features for $1000 under invoice) when I asked the sales manager why he was stuck at invoice he said because I have the truck you want...I bought a more upgraded truck from another dealer for $7,500 more (but $1500 under invoice) and never regretted it once...
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I might not be able to fly a rolling scissors to save my life, but I can spot a troll from 1000 meters.
And exactly how are you helping Batz?
If you have an axe to grind - spit it out. Else let me make a rude comment and then stick a lock on the thread. Yea thats the ticket.
Your post in this thread have been constistanty inflamatory. Do you really want to hear diatribes about companies who seek the safe harbor of American ideals and then crap all over them when it suits them? Because I can give you diatribes about such hypocrisy. Is that what you are trolling for Batz?
I was on the internet before Gore "invented the internet"[yea right], and the consistant abuse of moderation sickens me. It goes against its purpose. Before it was prostituted, it was a place for the free exchange of information. Now its ad space in an Enquire magazine. "oooo ooo, I disagree but don't have the logic to refute thier argument- please tell them to SHUTUP!"
I really need to quit this board or it will lead me to quitting the game.
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Humble, I quoted you here and linked you to your gv thread. Unless you forgot what you typed.
HT has said after the AH2 is released they will be in a position to release new planes quicker. If thats not good enough for you then why waste your time?
As I said above your simply regurgitating the same stuff. Ht doesn't listen, Ht doesn't respond to customers (meaning you) Blah Blah...
I am not twisting anything. But you are playing victim "I am the poor customer who only wants what is best for the game yet folks pick on me".
There was a time when whines like that would get you more then what I have typed here. Search Ram or Mandoble.
I don't care anything about your life but you spend .50 cents a day to play AH. If .50 cents is too much why bother?
Opus,
I am not gonna read your non-sense, go sleep it off.
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Speaking of mental pictures:
Two men kissing and make up.. What's next? Cross dressing?
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I am not gonna reading your non-sense ...
You said it better than I ever could...nonsense is all I've seen from you...
I'm certainly not a victim of anything and this isn't/wasn't a whine. I've run my share of companies...good and bad...I've aways appreciated the customer or client who took the time to tell me why I was fired...some times I've even learned a bit from it. I simply responded to Hitech and voiced my displeasure. I didnt respond to or encourage that thread or the GV thread to continue. As a business man I've come to appreciate the value of my customers over time...it's easier to keep em then replace them. It's a lesson that can be hard to learn and often has to be relearned.
As an FYI AH2 is envisioned as a new came with little or no crossover expected amonst existing players...yes there will be a "classic arena" but the game is geared toward a new generation of players...not the current subscriber base. The great thing about capitalism is that there is always someone waiting to pick up the ball...Air Warrior lost appreciation for its customers, so did Warbirds....and the customers left them. Some business lessons are worth remembering....instead of reliving.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Speaking of mental pictures:
Two men kissing and make up.. What's next? Cross dressing?
& Siaf__csf
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2003
Location: Michael Jacksons never never land [/QUOTE]
Why would this bother you, when you live or want to live with Micheal Jackson ?
what's wrong with this picture?
:D
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Hey I said men not boys :eek:
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<----- Gets the shovel ....
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As an FYI AH2 is envisioned as a new came with little or no crossover expected amonst existing players...yes there will be a "classic arena" but the game is geared toward a new generation of players...not the current subscriber base. The great thing about capitalism is that there is always someone waiting to pick up the ball...Air Warrior lost appreciation for its customers, so did Warbirds....and the customers left them. Some business lessons are worth remembering....instead of reliving.
Well you are wrong. You can search the Ah2 forums and read exactly what HT has said but Ah2:Classic will be the primary arena/game with the same game play as the main.
The mission theater or Ah2:ToD will be mission based with some sort of rps mixed in. AI will supplement bombers and gvs.
You have a lot perceptions based on nothing, as I said go search the Ah2 forums.
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Yep, it,s HiTechs game, think about this. Yes we are customers but but like any business, he has final say. we can either choose to stay or go------you dont think they are giving you the best they can then go, or quit the whining and enjoy the game. I don't think you can get this enjoyment for this price or havent you bought a ticket to a show, baseball game lately..... just my 2 cents worth, on with the whine:rolleyes:
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I think the customer service is what it should be. They keep the game up, try to correct server problems, billing issues, ect..
Technical support is really quite good in my opinion, as i have had several problems with keyboard/vox, and they got back to me in 24 hours or less (weekdays).
Not sure what the original post was, but sounds like it was one the should have been posted in the bug posts, or sent to Hitec as a personal message, not out in the open.
You guys are right also, he owns the business he makes the rules. As a customer you can choose to follow them or as is your right you can leave. Happy flying!!
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As an FYI AH2 is envisioned as a new came with little or no crossover expected amonst existing players...yes there will be a "classic arena" but the game is geared toward a new generation of players...not the current subscriber base. The great thing about capitalism is that there is always someone waiting to pick up the ball...Air Warrior lost appreciation for its customers, so did Warbirds....and the customers left them. Some business lessons are worth remembering....instead of reliving.
This is the most foolish statement I've seen on this forum in a long time...
lets pick it apart peice by peice shall we...
but the game is geared toward a new generation of players...
This struck me as especially moronic. So what you are saying here humble is that Hitech and Co no longer wish to keep its current player base? They want to replace their current subscribers with newer ones? Do you honestly beleive the crap you say?
Being very careful not to take what Humble said out of contect we need to read on. Taking one sentence at a time is very dangerous. When they are all put together the true idiocy comes together.
not the current subscriber base
And here we have the remaining part of his "impactful statement". Put those two lines together and we have idiocy at its finest. You cant honestly beleive for one single moment that HiTech; with the future introduction of AH2, plans on losing his current players... or do you?
Here is one from another post you threw up like a fool...
When this game started the "customer" was important
Can you show me how this has changed? I dont see how you can say this and continue to remain credible. You really havent' shown any evidence to support you claim. Hear say is a hell of alot different from fact.
Is this statement spawned from the fact that HiTech really isnt on line all that often lately? I can probably make a good assumption for saying that its probably due to the simple fact that he along with the rest of his staff is working day in and day out to complete AH2. It doesnt take a rocket scientist too see HiTech and his staff constantly addressing concerns, questions, bugs and everything else in the AH2 forums. Thats got to tell you something I hope. Not to mention the fact that they are also in every other forum both monitoring and answering question after question in regards to AH1.
If you have been around that long I think you can see that their customer support is second to none in regards to any on line game. I would go as far to say its second to none period...
You mentioned that you had a few of your own businesses. Were you responsible for several thousand investors and customers on a daily basis? Because basicly thats what we are when we pay out 15 a month... If this is the case then maybe you have some right to critcize.
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Hmmm. ugly ugly thread.
Humble, let's do lunch!
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oh sure steve offer him luch but me its wham bam thank you mam!
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sorry Morph, I couldn't get past your fantastic gams... had to have 'em
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Sigh.....
1st, This "thread" wasn't ment to be ugly or anything...in fact I didn't even start it. I didnt expect my "passing" to generate any notice at all...i'm pretty much a non entity here anyway.
That being said I've tried to respond to what resulted....
So...
1st
I wish nothing but the best to any and all involved with this game as players, employee's or owners...I'm simply not going to support a product I dont feel treats me as a customer with a minimal level of respect.
2nd
I'm amazed how much some of you seem to distort public record...or don't you really read and comprehend. I'll stand behind my various comments etc...as for the intent of AH2 its also public record...the stated primary arena is/was intended to be a "tour of duty" arena with an "AH classic" arena also enabled for the current player base...this is in multiple interviews done on the subject.
Since you took the time to post Morpheous I'll give you the curtesy of an answer...
1st find and read the interviews regarding the vision/motivation for AH2...
You need to break down what you copied...
How important is the upcoming release to the current subscriber base?...
How many have bothered to fly it?
How many are worried about PC performance?
How many really care about the FM changes?
How many really are worried about fuel burn and such?
Now how many are upset and worried about lag and other issues in the MA?
How many would like to have New planes and Vehicles?
How many would prefer to have other maps done by Aces high vs suffer the pizza map type creations of others?
How many would like to see GV and other ongoing issues resloved?
Now none of the above has anything to do with why I left....thats simple...I don't like to be treated disrespectfully and I feel I was. There is no need to make it anything bigger than it is. It's still easily the best game in it's niche in the market and it will continue to be for at least another couple of years....so what....since I dont "feel good" about supporting it I simply won't.
As for my qualifications Harvard business school has a "club" for individuals who have built a business with a net value of $1,000.000.00 before reaching the age of 40...I was invited 3 different times for three different businesses...not that matters in this context...I'm not an internet business type...I'm simply looking at it from a case study viewpoint. Put this out in any MBA program as a case study and you'd get back exactly what I'm saying +/- 15%...it's simply "business 404"
As for base $'s 15 x 5,000=$75,000x12=$900,000.00
Thats still an awful small business in the scheme of things...however it's certainly a great achievment to bootstrap out of your garage in a couple of years.
Whats funny is I've probably been more vocal as a supporter of the people and the product than 90% here. The GV post is really the 1st "negative" thread I ever started.
Anyway,
I appreciate the thought you put into your post and simply have a different viewpoint.
that being said it doesnt serve any purpose to continue this....at least for me.
God speed and good flying to you all <>
PS If you happen to think of it, Put a couple bucks in the Pat Tillman memorial fund.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
What's next? Cross dressing?
I don't see how putting a shirt on two pieces of wood helps anything..... :rofl
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I guess this means we're not having lunch. :/
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No Steve... WE are having lunch;)
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SOB, was that a rainbow or a brown?
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Look at the size of it, it's gotta be brown.