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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on April 23, 2004, 09:53:37 AM
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Here (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4815441/)
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This man was a great American. He put his money were his mouth was literaly.
RIP.
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Thats frikken awesome. Nice to see very little spin on it too.
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Mr. Tillman
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to a man who stood up for what he believed in.
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A good man, a good American
Charon
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But I'm sure Hristo and the rest of the European contingent of AlQaeda will be along shortly to set us right about this brave man and urge us to praise the true freedom fighters....
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Big <<>> to him, and condolences to his family. Now this is even more than patriotism, it is putting (and giving) his life to the service of democracy.
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Tillman stared for an Arizona State football team that had a chance to win the National Championship.
After being drafted by the Arizona Cardinals, he passed up a chance at a 5 year, $9 million contract with the St. Louis Rams because he felt he owed the state of Arizona something. So he took a 1 year contract to play with the god-awful Cardinals instead of the (then) Champion Rams.
When the US invaded Afghanistan, Tillman quit playing football to join the US Army and try out for the Rangers. He was making over a million dollars a year with the Cardinals. He felt it was his duty.
When people talk about men who are willing to put duty and country above themselves, they mean Pat Tillman.
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RIP
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culero
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Thats frikken awesome. Nice to see very little spin on it too.
I wouldn't exactly call it frikken awesome.
My condolences to the family. A good man is gone.
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That's the problem with Wars they usual kill the best a country has to offer.
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Yo folks, a little respect please. Take it to another thread.
culero
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An example for all you so called patriots that do alot of mouthing but wont sign your name on the dotted line. Atleast those who are capable of joining.
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To tillman and every american who has lost their lives overseas the past few years.
on a sidenote going to afghanistan to risk your life, or playing for for the cardinals. Not a hard choice there.
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It apparently is, Stabby...else more players would be joining the military.
Mr. Tillman.
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I heard a great suggestion on the radio at lunch. Every 40-yard line in the NFL should be painted red white and blue to honor Tillman who wore #40.
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to him and those he leaves behind
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Pat Tillman was killed in Afghanistan after walking away from a multimillion-dollar NFL contract to join the Army Rangers, U.S. officials said Friday.
Tillman, who served with the Army Rangers, was 27.
Although the military had not officially confirmed his death, the White House put out a statement of sympathy that praised Tillman as "an inspiration both on an off the football field."
Former Cardinals head coach Dave McGinnis said he felt both overwhelming sorrow and tremendous pride in Tillman, who "represented all that was good in sports."
"Pat knew his purpose in life," McGinnis said. "He proudly walked away from a career in football to a greater calling."
Several of Tillman's friends have said the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks influenced his decision to enlist.
Lt. Col. Matt Beevers, a spokesman for the U.S. military in Kabul, confirmed that a U.S. soldier was killed Thursday evening, but would not say whether it was Tillman.
He said the soldier died after a firefight with anti-coalition militia forces about 25 miles southwest of a U.S. military base at Khost, which has been the scene of frequent attacks.
Two other U.S. soldiers on the combat patrol were injured, and an Afghan soldier fighting alongside the Americans was killed.
Arizona Sen. John McCain noted that Tillman declined to speak publicly about his decision to put his NFL career on hold.
"He viewed his decision as no more patriotic than that of his less fortunate, less renowned countrymen who loved our country enough to volunteer to defend her in a time of peril," McCain, a Republican, said in a statement.
U.S. officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said a formal announcement was expected later in the day. Spokesmen at the Pentagon and U.S. Army declined comment.
Tillman played four seasons with the Cardinals before enlisting in the Army in May 2002. The safety turned down a three-year, $3.6 million deal from Arizona.
He made the decision after returning from his honeymoon with his wife, Marie.
"He knew what was important to him, and he made his decision and stood by it," said quarterback Eli Manning, expected to be a top pick in Saturday's NFL draft.
Tillman's brother, Kevin, a former minor league baseball prospect in the Cleveland Indians' organization, also joined the Rangers and served in the Middle East. They committed to three-year stints in the Army.
Some 110 U.S. soldiers have died - 39 of them in combat - during Operation Enduring Freedom, which began in Afghanistan in late 2001.
Tillman's agent, Frank Bauer, has called him a deep and clear thinker who has never valued material things.
In 2001, Tillman turned down a $9 million, five-year offer sheet from the Super Bowl champion St. Louis Rams out of loyalty to the Cardinals, and by joining the Army, he passed on millions more from the team.
Tillman turned aside interview requests after joining the Army. In December, during a trip home, he made a surprise visit to his Cardinal teammates.
"For all the respect and love that all of us have for Pat Tillman and his brother and Marie, for what they did and the sacrifices they made ... believe me, if you have a chance to sit down and talk with them, that respect and that love and admiration increase tenfold," McGinnis said at the time.
It was not immediately clear when he went to Afghanistan.
The 5-foot-11, 200-pound Tillman was distinguished by his intelligence and appetite for rugged play. As an undersized linebacker at Arizona State, he was the Pac-10's defensive player of the year in 1997.
He set a franchise record with 224 tackles in 2000 and warmed up for 2001's training camp by competing in a 70.2-mile triathlon in June.
Tillman carried a 3.84 grade point average through college and graduated with high honors in 3 1/2 academic years with a degree in marketing.
"You don't find guys that have that combination of being as bright and as tough as him," Phil Snow, who coached Tillman as Arizona State's defensive coordinator, said in 2002. "This guy could go live in a foxhole for a year by himself with no food."
Tillman and his brother Kevin last year won the Arthur Ashe Courage award at the 11th annual ESPY Awards
Pat Tillman
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But I'm sure Hristo and the rest of the European contingent of AlQaeda will be along shortly to set us right about this brave man and urge us to praise the true freedom fighters....
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No need to say that.
He lived according to his ideal and died for something he believed in.
That's honorable .
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But I'm sure Hristo and the rest of the European contingent of AlQaeda will be along shortly to set us right about this brave man and urge us to praise the true freedom fighters....
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U have a huge problem Grunherz. A very huge problem and i feal sorry about u and ur fans.
Many German soldiers are in Afghanistan to help. Many help voluntarily.
RIP Mr. Tillman
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RIP and
Tillman.
And Grunhertz, that you feel the need to make this thread into a pissing match is beyond me :rolleyes:, tasteless...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But I'm sure Hristo and the rest of the European contingent of AlQaeda will be along shortly to set us right about this brave man and urge us to praise the true freedom fighters....
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.. rest of the europeans? That would mean your sorry as* too grun, the great uswannabe. Just try at some point to a) ease your europe-hate, b) to remember that you're european too (even though I'm ashamed to say that...)
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A big for the man for giving his life for his country.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
I wouldn't exactly call it frikken awesome.
My condolences to the family. A good man is gone.
Nah, it is frikken awesome. Everyone dies, Six. How many people get to die for something they believe in?
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Tillman
Start another thread if you wanna talk politics. This thread is Tillmans.
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Thanks for posting this.
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Every servicemember who has given his life in Afghanistan or Iraq deserves the same praise. When it comes down to it, everyone has exactly the same amount to lose: their life.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
Every servicemember who has given his life in Afghanistan or Iraq deserves the same praise. When it comes down to it, everyone has exactly the same amount to lose: their life.
Thats what i was thinking. Rarely is a thread created in respect for troops dieing, but now people want the nfl to repaint the 40 yard line in respect? What about the other 600+ troops that have gave their lives?
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Thats what i was thinking. Rarely is a thread created in respect for troops dieing, but now people want the nfl to repaint the 40 yard line in respect? What about the other 600+ troops that have gave their lives?
The man turned down multi-millions of dollars from the NFL just to go serve his country, and that is why we are paying a special tribute to this notable man. To bring his story forward and to praise his convictions and patriotism does not in any way take anything away from the other soldiers who serve and die for our country.
No need to piss on this thread, go away unless you can add something respectfull here.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But I'm sure Hristo and the rest of the European contingent of AlQaeda will be along shortly to set us right about this brave man and urge us to praise the true freedom fighters....
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Trolling a thread like this is rather inappropriate, IMHO.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But I'm sure Hristo and the rest of the European contingent of AlQaeda will be along shortly to set us right about this brave man and urge us to praise the true freedom fighters....
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Grun, it would be better to remain silent on issues like this in threads dedicated to the memory of soldiers who make the ultimate sacrifice. Next time, just be the bigger man, and if someone does come in and make an prettythang of themselves by posting something stupid, it will reflect on them and not you. Don't lower yourself to their level, there's nothing at all to be gained from it.
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Mr. Tillman
Gonna have to join the rest of my european friends... that was uncalled for GRUNHERTZ, and you know it.
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As a member of the U.S. armed forces and a huge NFL fan I send my most heartfelt and somber
to Mr. Tillman and his entire family. A true example of conviction if there ever was one.
He will be missed.
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I heard some sports radio announcer saying how much of a awful tragedy this is.
I dont see it as that. If any thing it gives me hope. It gives me hope that we can still produce such men.
How many would turn down millions to make 18k a year? Whats different about this guy then say David Robinson is that this guy had a taste of the fame and riches and then gave it up. Not only gave it up for the military but went enlisted instead of becoming an officer.
What character and strength of conviction this man had. I only wish I could have half the strength he did. What is a tragedy is that I never knew this man.
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to a brave , couragous and unselfish Man. Prayers for his family as well.
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> To the entire Tillman family. His brother is still in country lest we forget.
The NFL should seriously think about permanently honoring him. This man was too great of an American not to.
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"No greater love hath man than this...than to lay down his life.."
to the living embodiment of bravery and sacrifice.
Shuckins/Leggern
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I heard today that he was Honor's Graduate from his ranger school, and carried a 3.8+ in college.
This is a guy we need to emulate. All of our kids need to hear about Pat Tillman. Some lives deserve a movie.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I heard today that he was Honor's Graduate from his ranger school, and carried a 3.8+ in college.
This is a guy we need to emulate. All of our kids need to hear about Pat Tillman. Some lives deserve a movie.
It would be a great movie. My kids are already learning the story. There's not much you can say that is worthy of Pat Tillman, words are not enough to describe him and all that he is.
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Some people never get it, and never will.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Some people never get it, and never will.
Its really sad, isnt it? Cant blame them though, some people just have the comprehension ability of an ice pick - not their fault - just bad genes.
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IcePick,..I strongly suggest you stay out of this thread. You and Grunherz are both out of line and if you cannot figure out why, then stay out.
People are choosing to honor a loss here. Allow them that.
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Food for thought...the war on Terrorism is a long one.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
IcePick,..I strongly suggest you stay out of this thread. You and Grunherz are both out of line and if you cannot figure out why, then stay out.
People are choosing to honor a loss here. Allow them that.
As it says in the header, thank you sir. That is all anyone asked to begin with.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Lets say he died in Iraq, how many people would point a finger if he had? Food for thought...the war on Terrorism is a long one.
Hey Rip, let's all do the honorable thing, and leave the politics OUT of this one. There is a time and a place for everything, and this time, and this place is reserved to honor the memory of Pat Tillman, nothing more, and nothing less.
Thanks,
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The more we learn about this guy the more amazed I am. He kept a 3.84 GPA in college, graduated early, stayed wih his home team for less 3 times less money and then gave up those millions to defend our country after 911. Simply an amazing guy, and a great American..
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Tillman.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Lets say he died in Iraq, how many people would point a finger if he had? Food for thought...the war on Terrorism is a long one.
Let's not twist this into some self-serving political debate. No place for that here.
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Copied my post from the other Tlman thread. It belongs here as well.
On one sense this man had no more to lose than any other soldier. He lost just as much as every other KIA did.
The fact that he was a football player that left to join the Army is unusual but doesn't necessarily make him special.
The fact that he did that without ANY fanfare and to serve with his brother does make him special.
He didn't have to do it. No one forced this choice on him. There wasn't any extreme financial pressure or other circumstance that required this act.
His choice to serve his country and do something in return for what he had enjoyed makes him special. There certainly wasn't any other incentive for him to do that.
Those actions made him special particularly in that he put himself in harms way for others. He certainly is worthy of respect in the path he chose.
and RIP
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(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20040424/mdf547195.jpg)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The more we learn about this guy the more amazed I am. He kept a 3.84 GPA in college, graduated early, stayed wih his home team for less 3 times less money and then gave up those millions to defend our country after 911. Simply an amazing guy, and a great American..
ESPN did a small special on it years ago, which they are now rerunning on Sportscenter....it touched me when I saw it then and even more now..what stood out to me was that neither one of them never spoke to the media about their decision.
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The fact that he did that without ANY fanfare and to serve with his brother does make him special.
The local media tried voraciously to get him to appear, to comment, to make it headline news. Tillman absolutely refused, saying only that he was no different than any other volunteer.
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No Gixer, get it right. What makes this situation special is that he chose to serve his country rather than take the 'easy ticket' out. There are those in the world that think Americans are only concerned with themselves and not with anything else but their own personal gratification, world be damned to get it.
He knew he wasn't more than the average soldier.
"When Pat made his choice to leave the NFL and became an Army Ranger, he declined requests for interviews because he viewed his decision as no more patriotic than that of his less fortunate, less renowned countrymen who loved our country enough to volunteer to defend her in a time of peril. It is that first lesson of patriotism that we should reaffirm in our own lives as we celebrate the courageous life and mourn the heroic death of this most honorable American."
-Sen. John McCain
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/55_1082783831_tillman_m.jpg)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
"Lets say he died in Iraq, how many people would point a finger if he had?"
This Thread is about Pat Tillman, it's not about yours, or Grunhertz's, or anybody else's political opinion. This should be the ONE Thread where you should chill out and refrain from politicizing, Ripsnort. Try to show some class for a change.
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You dont point a finger when someone dies at all ...period.
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Originally posted by straffo
No need to say that.
He lived according to his ideal and died for something he believed in.
That's honorable .
Agreed...
Fine example of a good man
Tronsky
Lest We Forget
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Man, notice the striking difference between the civilian photo from the active duty one. At the only AH con I went to you could spot the active duty folks from accross the room. I guess that PT stuff actually works.
Wonder if he's got his tab yet, looks like he's spec4 now so I'm guessing he did. Good for him, means no more hanging upside down from wall lockers, or humping some spec4's snivel gear, or getting drug out of bed in the middle of night because some drunks wanna throw things at a maggot.
Now if he can unregiment his self and he can conduct daily activities with little instruction and no supervision, and he's got above avg intelligence he'll have a good shot at SF.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But I'm sure Hristo and the rest of the European contingent of AlQaeda will be along shortly to set us right about this brave man and urge us to praise the true freedom fighters....
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This guy took a stand and fell for his country, and I salute his memory.
You just duck behind your monitor and take cheap potshots, showing only bigotry and stupidity.
You are sad my friend...
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Oh sonava*****! Please excuse my ignorance. I just realized upon further reading that he sacrificed his future for me, my family, friends, and the security and longevity of nobel ideals for all the world, not just America. So I'll drink a few cold ones for SPC Pat Tillman. And to him I pay the highest compliment in this lowly pogue's lexicon. He was a good soldier.
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Sargent Tillman
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to many there Flit? ;)
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It never ceases to amaze me how many losers come into a thread like this and feel it is all about them and their opinions and politics rather than all about the man someone has chosen to pay tribute to.
Unless you were an outstanding athlete, in high school, college, and professionally, all while maintianing a 3.7+ GPA, then while a pro turned down an offer of triple your salary in order to be loyal to the team who gave you your first shot, then turned down more money than 99.9% of all people will ever see in order to go serve your country, and finally paid the ultimate price,....................
THEN THIS THREAD IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT, ALL ABOUT YOU, YOUR POLITICS, AND YOUR OPINIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I've just read this...it was in the news here.
What a brave man. Someone who could truly call himself a citizen of his country.
His family and his country ought to be very proud of him.
Ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
His family and his country ought to be very proud of him.
Ravs
We are, am, and always will be.
<-------check new avatar.
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im going against everything i belive in here and im may be rightfully flamed for it, but....he is not any more special than anyone else than anyone else that looses his life on the job.
dont take this the wrong way PLEASE!
ive said it before but Tillman
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
We are, am, and always will be.
<-------check new avatar.
good idea Diablo, I'm going to change mine too.
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But he gave up all the money (which people demonise americans for beliving in) to make the ultimate sacrifice. And that blows the 'American' stereotype.
The man was a true hero in my book.
Ravs
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Originally posted by Nilsen
im going against everything i belive in here and im may be rightfully flamed for it, but....he is not any more special than anyone else than anyone else that looses his life on the job.
INsolent.
:rolleyes:
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Yes he was, and is a hero but what im sayin is that his loss is not any greater then the loss of "Joe Average" if you see what i mean.
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Me three!
Ravs
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lol...ok i may be seeing double here diablo, but what did you mean?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
lol...ok i may be seeing double here diablo, but what did you mean?
Re-read my post here, just scroll up, third from the top.
Ravs, get off my koolaid. :)
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Lol....when I was about 7 years old there were these two kids in Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia) called, Chip and Chis Brenning we used to play with who wouldn't let us have their coolaid. Me and my friends dreamed about it and anyway...one day we did a 'commando raid' on their house and stole the coolaid. They chased us out we climbed the fence and made the coolaid.
God it was good!
Years later I tried it again and it was just sugar.
Ravs
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Originally posted by Nilsen
im going against everything i belive in here and im may be rightfully flamed for it, but....he is not any more special than anyone else than anyone else that looses his life on the job.
dont take this the wrong way PLEASE!
ive said it before but Tillman
I gotta ask.
Why do you feel you MUST make some sort of statement? WHY? WHY is it necessary? Can you not just say and then shut up if you have nothing else to say of any relevance to Pat Tillman? Is it so hard to just politely pay your respects to the man and then keep the rest to yourself? Are YOU SO IMPORTANT you feel YOU MUST place your OPINION in THIS thread? What is so hard about paying your respects and keeping your opinion to yourself? Really, what the heck is so important about YOUR OPINION that you MUST insert it everywhere, including here?
There are untold THOUSANDS of threads about politics and opinions in this BBS you can insert yours into. And yet YOU feel YOU are so important YOU MUST bring YOUR OPINION here.
I just do not understand. As opinionated as I am, when Spain was attacked, I made no statement other than my condolences to those in Spain, and my disdain for cowards who attacked them. Did I post about my opinion of Spain and Spaniards? No.
There is a SIMPLE way to NOT be flamed about posting YOUR OPINION here in this thread. DO NOT DO IT! I don't think that is too hard, nor is it too much to ask. But it evidently is.
For those of you who still do not get it:
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT PAT TILLMAN!
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Virgil...I entirely agree with you.
Ravs
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I agree with Dnil, I'm sure that SPC Tillman knew the risks involved. He served inspite of them. I will teach my son about SPC Tillman. A true hero in the true meaning of that word.
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Yes he was, and is a hero but what im sayin is that his loss is not any greater then the loss of "Joe Average" if you see what i mean.
Man, let me try to spell this out for you. Tillman's death(loss) as a soldier is not what makes him remarkable. It's what he did when he was alive that set him apart from "Joe Average".(And no, I am NOT talking about that he played in the NFL)
Let me know if you need me to tell you more.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Yes he was, and is a hero but what im sayin is that his loss is not any greater then the loss of "Joe Average" if you see what i mean.
Nilsen,
True that anyone who dies in the service of his/her country can be considered a hero. That's not the issue here. This is about Pat Tillman gave up a dream life that few would give up willingly. He had it all that most in his position (and out of) would wish for, riches, fame, and a secure, safe future. He gave it all up to willingly volunteer to serve his country specifically to fight what he saw as a major terrorism threat. He did it of his own conscience and tried to keep it as private as possible. He did not do it for publicity, he did it out of his patriotic views of service for his country, for his fellow man.
As JFK once said: "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."
Pat Tillman is the epitome of what it is to be a patriot, to personally sacrifice most of his worldy goods in order to serve his country on the front lines.
One doesn't have to agree on the mission and/or the politics, but just give the man, a true hero in our time, his due respect.
This thread is about PAT TILLMAN and I salute his ultimate sacrifice.
DiabloTX, Ravells, and Nuke,
Awesome idea! I'll do the same.
~SALUTE~ to Pat Tillman! Thank you sir.
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SaburoS, that was very well said.
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thank you Mr. Skuzzy
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I'd humbly suggest that those who wish to honor Pat Tillman avoid replying to them and allow Skuzzy to handle them. I'd like to see this thread NOT get locked. Perhaps if those with decency and intelligence do not allow themselves to be drawn down to the level of those with none, this thread will not be flooded with the vile spew, and have to be locked. It would be a complete shame if a tribute to a great man were allowed to end like that. He deserves better. I think the community should be ashamed of what some people post here, and it should strive to police itself.
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I can't think of a better example of honor and integrity.
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An Heartfelt
to Mr. Tillman.
Right or wrong, his sacrifice deserve respect.
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I'm not sure I would have done what he did, and it sure shows what kind of man he was.
Daniel
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In most situations, the right thing to do is really tough. Looks like he figured that out.
S!
curly
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S! to that guy he was a true hero (and dedicated for his country belifes) in my eyes, no interviews no public crap around even if he was a public person. thats integrety very well and down to earth sacrifying.
But I think msnbc should take away the stupid popup comersial "fit forever" It dont fit in a story like that it just plain suck.
(my english are still crap when i type fast ,sorry)
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A great American and the true imbodiment of the Rangers.
Lead the way SGT Tillman RIP And
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and God Bless!
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Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and "esprit de corps" of the Ranger Regiment.
Acknowledging the fact that a Ranger is a more elite soldier who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a Ranger my country expects me to move farther, faster and fight harder than any other soldier.
Never shall I fail my comrades. I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong and morally straight and I will shoulder more than my share of the task whatever it may be. One hundred percent and then some.
Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, my neatness of dress and care for equipment shall set the example for others to follow.
Energetically will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a Ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country.
Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission, though I be the lone survivor.
Rangers Lead The Way
Salute Sgt Tillman for living by the creed.
God Blees men like you sir.
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The Department of Defense announced today the death of four soldiers supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. They died on April 24, in Taji, Iraq, when mortar rounds hit their camp. The four Soldiers were assigned to the Army National Guard’s 39th Support Battalion, 39th Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division, Hazen, Ark. Killed were:
Capt. Arthur L. Felder, 36, of Louisville, Ark.
Chief Warrant Patrick W. Kordsmeier, 49, of North Little Rock, Ark.
Staff Sgt. Billy J. Orton, 41, of Humnoke, Ark.
Staff Sgt. Stacey C. Brandon, 35, of Hazen, Ark.
These soldiers sacrificed just as much as anyone else. I really don't think there is anything as valuable in this world as your own life. As he left behind millions, I'm sure they left behind wives, children, siblings, parents, and the future. Tillman's message was that he was no better than any other soldier who voluntarily put their lives on the line, but somehow that seems to have escaped some people. Yes, I admire what he did, but no more than I admire anyone else who takes the tough road.
Just my 2 cents.
<--- 14 years in the Army, war veteran.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
Yes, I admire what he did, but no more than I admire anyone else who takes the tough road.
Context is everything here.
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Originally posted by Nash
Context is everything here.
I agree, but when one example of one man is posted to bring his story forward, some people seem to think it somehow overlooks or diminishes other's sacrifices.
The point of this thread has one topic in my opinion, and that is Pat Tillman . This in no way diminishes anyone else's service and sacrifice. I wish people could understand that.
I mean, start another thread or whatever, but leave this one for Pat Tillman.
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Originally posted by NUKE
The point of this thread has one topic in my opinion, and that is Pat Tillman . This in no way diminishes anyone else's service and sacrifice.
Sure, but when a thread topic is this : "Patriotism defined" It DOES diminish the sacrifices of those who were there before, are there right now, and will be there in the future.
-SW
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Well yeah, wot AKS\/\/ulfe said.
And by the creation of a thread about one particular fallen soldier as compared to no threads of this nature about any other of the fallen soldiers, there is indeed a distinction being made.
And for a reason.
What Tillman did was *remarkable*.
Thus we remark on it.
This in no way takes anything away from any other soldier's sacrifice. It is only of one particular soldier's sacrifice; its meaning to us, our ideals, our own shortcomings, our faith in humanity... if ya wanna get ghey about it.
There are thousands of stories out there on the desert. Because they aren't all being told doesn't diminish the characters.
The compelling thing about Tillman's story is that it not only tells of a man's character, it forces us to examine our own.
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Originally posted by Nash
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What Tillman's story does is not only tell of a man's character, it makes us examine our own. [/B]
Aint that the truth
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Nash, well said sir.
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Wow, I kinda liked what Nash said too... no more booze tonight.
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Yeah, what he ^ said.