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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on April 23, 2004, 07:27:07 PM
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38002
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You do realize that Andy Rooney is dead...no one told him yet, is all.
This guym is so far out of the spotlight, he's saying anything to get some attention.
Well, he got mine...
***** YOU, ANDY ROONEY YOU MISERBLE C*CKSUCKER!!!!!!
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Andy Rooney is also noted for his dislike for General George S. Patton. Of course, Andy Rooney is an idiot, he's just one of the fortunate few idiots who gets paid to be one. By the way, I saw that last week, I just summarily dismissed it as spew from a well known moron.
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before he went senile he was funny, now he is just a sad old man
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Senility has nothing at all to do with it. Rooney has had a few moments of humor, but they were interspersed in a mass of Bravo Sierra and stupidity.
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I read the article, and I'm not sure it really merited that strong of a reaction. From what I saw, he just said they're just people doing a tough job and can be as good or as bad as anyone else.
There are certainly some heros in there, but do you honestly believe that everyone who enlists in the military does so with thoughts of defending their country in mind? Hell, I almost enlisted in the army when I was a Sr in high school simply because I didn't have any plans for myself after I graduated, and my father & my uncles had been in the military.
Or perhaps I'm just an insensitive salamander.
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A hero is someone who puts his or her own life in extreme danger to save someone else. Just serving in Iraq does not make a person a hero.
Running out in the open to pull wounded troops to safety while an enemy machine gun shoots at you- Heroic
Engaging 20 enemy fighters so your buddies can retreat- Heroic
Jumping on a grenade- Heroic
Doing your job- Doing your job
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Originally posted by SunTracker
A hero is someone who puts his or her own life in extreme danger to save someone else. Just serving in Iraq does not make a person a hero.
Running out in the open to pull wounded troops to safety while an enemy machine gun shoots at you- Heroic
Engaging 20 enemy fighters so your buddies can retreat- Heroic
Jumping on a grenade- Heroic
Doing your job- Doing your job
Quoted for truth.
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And leaving your unit after minor injuries to get out of the action does not make you a hero.
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To chime in MY 2.5 cents worth.....
A hero can be defined by many different things however if YOU consider someone to be a hero then they are an inspiration to YOU. Your hero may not be someone elses....
Some of my hero's are.....the cops and firemen that put their lives on the line every damn day so that my family is safe. (makes me feel a whole lot better when I am deployed to know that there are guys that do the things they do every day). Are they all hero's? Im not sure any of you can answer that for me. But the "symbol" of police/firemen(women) give me a sense of pride to know that there are guys/gals out there doing what they do.
Some other hero's....ever watch the movie "A Perfect Storm"....there are some hero's there lemme tell ya....
More? Coastguardsmen/women.......giant mountains of courage there.....
How about someone who stands up for what they believe in....whether it is popular or not....that individual could be considered a hero as well.
How about my wife.....yeah she's my hero ....when I deploy (oh by the way I am in the military...have been for quite some time) and get my arse shot at, cant contact home for weeks at a time somtimes, etc etc etc....she is there wondering if I will come home yet she still makes the house function, do her job, take care of the dogs, AND send me care packages to where I may be deployed to. Yeah she's my hero! Any one who tells me otherwise.....LOL......(PS she is still the WIFE ACK...LOL:lol )
SOOOOO for anyone to say that someone is a hero or not...actually really doesnt have the right to do so it all depends upon your frame of reference. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion and if your definition of a hero does not fit someone elses then so be it.
Regards all!!!!
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andy roony is John Kerry's cousing....Walking Anus (kerry being a walking noodle)
first of Rooney can go F himself.
does he even know what its like to get 48 notice to deploy knowing that your wife is 8 months pregnant.
does he even know what its like to start college classes on off duty time to help better yourself to only have to drop them
does he even know what its like to be a reservist and have to put your carreer and family aside to do you duty.
does he even know that not all heros fire weapons and save lives.
all that considered Grunts are not effective grunts without LG....that means logistics...IE BEANS (chow) BAND AIDS (Medical attention) BAD GUYS (intel...no laughs please) BULLETS (supply)
Grunts are just a big wheel with a bunch of different cogs that keep it spinning.
he is an idiot who doesnt even deserve this post from me.
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Originally posted by NUKE
And leaving your unit after minor injuries to get out of the action does not make you a hero.
Perhaps not, but I think risking your life to save a fellow soldier does.
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Thrawn,
In my book.....risking one's life to save another's is about one of greatest sacrafices a person can make.
Whether someone likes Senator Kerry or not if he did risk his life to save his fellow soldiers...well thats something that most folks cant say that they have done or would do.
Regards:)
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
does he even know what its like to get 48 notice to deploy knowing that your wife is 8 months pregnant.
does he even know what its like to start college classes on off duty time to help better yourself to only have to drop them
does he even know what its like to be a reservist and have to put your carreer and family aside to do you duty.
It is a volunteer army. Any hardships like these you place on yourself.
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Stabby,
Exactly what is your experiance in this?
Your post sounds very much like a troller named froggy.
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Seems WND should post a link so folks can make up their own mind about Rooney's intent...but I guess that would take the spin out of it.
http://www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp
April 9, 2004 article:
ANDY ROONEY
For release 04/09/2004
HEROES DON'T COME WHOLESALE
By Andy Rooney
Tribune Media Services
Most of the reporting from Iraq is about death and destruction. We don't learn much about what our soldiers in Iraq are thinking or doing. There's no Ernie Pyle to tell us and, if there were, the military would make it difficult or impossible for him to let us know.
It would be interesting to have a reporter ask a group of our soldiers in Iraq to answer five questions and see the results:
1. Do you think your country did the right thing sending you into Iraq?
2. Are you doing what America set out to do to make Iraq a democracy, or have we failed so badly that we should pack up and get out before more of you are killed?
3. Do the orders you get handed down from one headquarters to another, all far removed from the fighting, seem sensible, or do you think our highest command is out of touch with the reality of your situation?
4. If you could have a medal or a trip home, which would you take?
5. Are you encouraged by all the talk back home about how brave you are and how everyone supports you?
Treating soldiers fighting their war as brave heroes is an old civilian trick designed to keep the soldiers at it. But you can be sure our soldiers in Iraq are not all brave heroes gladly risking their lives for us sitting comfortably back here at home.
Our soldiers in Iraq are people, young men and women, and they behave like people - sometimes good and sometimes bad, sometimes brave, sometimes fearful. It's disingenuous of the rest of us to encourage them to fight this war by idolizing them. We pin medals on their chests to keep them going. We speak of them as if they volunteered to risk their lives to save ours but there isn't much voluntary about what most of them have done. A relatively small number are professional soldiers. During the last few years, when millions of jobs disappeared, many young people, desperate for some income, enlisted in the Army. About 40 percent of our soldiers in Iraq enlisted in the National Guard or the Army Reserve to pick up some extra money and never thought they'd be called on to fight. They want to come home.
One indication that not all soldiers in Iraq are happy warriors is the report recently released by the Army showing that 23 of them committed suicide there last year. This is a dismaying figure. If 22 young men and one woman killed themselves because they couldn't take it, think how many more are desperately unhappy but unwilling to die. We must support our soldiers in Iraq because it's our fault they're risking their lives there. However, we should not bestow the mantle of heroism on all of them for simply being where we sent them. Most are victims, not heroes.
America's intentions are honorable. I believe that and we must find a way of making the rest of the world believe it. We want to do the right thing. We care about the rest of the world. President Bush's intentions were honorable when he took us into Iraq. They were not well thought out but honorable.
President Bush's determination to make the evidence fit the action he took, which it does not, has made things look worse. We pay lip service to the virtues of openness and honesty, but for some reason we too often act as though there was a better way of handling a bad situation than by being absolutely open and honest.
© 2004 TRIBUNE MEDIA SERVICES, INC.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Stabby,
Exactly what is your experiance in this?
Your post sounds very much like a troller named froggy.
What is my experiance with this? It is an all volunteer army. You do not commit yourself to a job ,and then when it dose not suit your desires whine about it.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
What is my experiance with this? It is an all volunteer army. You do not commit yourself to a job ,and then when it dose not suit your desires whine about it.
Yea and if people werent "patriots" if people werent "heros" they would never volunteer. Simple as that.
I've served my country proudly for almost 9 years. I dont ask to be called a hero but when I happen to be out in public in uniform and people stop me to shake my hand and say thank you....it still makes my eyes water a bit.
Military members are no different than fireman or police man.
You have you good and your bad but either way thay are puttin there life on the line for yours. To top that the US military walk their posts not only to defend your life but to defend your freedom to criticsize them.
to top that they do it for less money than a walmart greeter makes.
America gets its heros for cheap but like I allways told my troops you dont do it for the money, college bennys, travel......you do it because not because you want or because you have to...but because you FEEL that's what you need to do.
If people didnt volunteer for the military there'd be mandetory service just like in many other countrys. When you make people go were they dont want to go you allways miss out on quality.
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
Yea and if people werent "patriots" if people werent "heros" they would never volunteer. Simple as that.
I've served my country proudly for almost 9 years. I dont ask to be called a hero but when I happen to be out in public in uniform and people stop me to shake my hand and say thank you....it still makes my eyes water a bit.
Military members are no different than fireman or police man.
You have you good and your bad but either way thay are puttin there life on the line for yours. To top that the US military walk their posts not only to defend your life but to defend your freedom to criticsize them.
to top that they do it for less money than a walmart greeter makes.
America gets its heros for cheap but like I allways told my troops you dont do it for the money, college bennys, travel......you do it because not because you want or because you have to...but because you FEEL that's what you need to do.
If people didnt volunteer for the military there'd be mandetory service just like in many other countrys. When you make people go were they dont want to go you allways miss out on quality.
I respect anyone who decides to join the military, but is the war in Iraq really defending our freedom? Afghanistan yes, Iraq maybe/maybe not. Of course you cannot blame the troops for this. They do not make the policys.
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Andy Rooney seems to be the only one from above who can see things objectively. His words made perfect sense, and if you think otherwise you're fooling yourselves.
Sure there may be real heroes, too. A dead hero is worse than a father that returns to his children. Only dumb or suicidal ones seek to become heroes.
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He can kiss my behind too. You know what they say about prettythangholes and opinions.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
I respect anyone who decides to join the military, but is the war in Iraq really defending our freedom? Afghanistan yes, Iraq maybe/maybe not. Of course you cannot blame the troops for this. They do not make the policys.
but you blatenly said that they are "volunteers"
truth is they are volunteers and do not get to pick and choose their fights. They sign up and they go when ever the civilian leadership says to. There's no choice in that.
Is it too hard to have heros in today's world. I think yes. People look at the spirit of the WWII generation as nieve....today we have "intelectuals". They can sit comfortably in there homes while nameless people defend their freedoms.....keep their homes from burning down....give them emergancy medical treetment when needed....and arrest criminals/keep the peace.
you must really HATE America if you can easily raise your nose to the air in discust and say "They volunteerd to serve a war-mongerer...they dont deserve my respect I'm SMART!"
I know I'm not mentioning everyone in society but here is andy rooney and you saying "the war in Iraq is unjustified....these military people dont deserve to be called heros because of it."
Heroism is about putting your life on the line.....its about sacrifice....its about service befor self.
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I strongly suspect, after reading the article, that Rooney's real purpose was to take a few digs at the President.
Of a certainty, our troops are human beings. In time of crisis, they will respond according to their individual gifts of courage and stamina. It is fair to say that most are afraid.
Nevertheless, most of them volunteered to serve their country knowing that the possibility existed that, someday, they might have to put their lives on the line.
These young Americans have performed magnificently in Iraq and Afghanistan. The press has recorded them treating the populations of these countries with compassion and respect. They have brought down two of the world's most evil and repressive governments. They ended thirty-five years of slaughter and genocide.
THAT makes them HEROES! Using them as pawns in a political diatribe is despicable.
Mr. Rooney, you have provided confirmation of your own irrelevance. It's time to retire.
Shuckins/Leggern
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here is andy rooney and you saying "the war in Iraq is unjustified....these military people dont deserve to be called heros because of it."
Here is Andy Rooney saying don't believe everything the media tells you. Here he is saying your servicemen are ordinary people trying to survive just like the rest of us.
If that's too much to fathom, you're really deeply engulfed in propaganda and patriotic brainwash. Which would be extremely sad.
But as we've seen often before, many of you are easily lead on by the media and replace logical thinking with emotion.
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stabby,
You never answered my question, I take it then you have no experiance.
I fully understand the volunteer forces. I have 24 years of being a volunteer.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Here is Andy Rooney saying don't believe everything the media tells you. Here he is saying your servicemen are ordinary people trying to survive just like the rest of us.
And he's wrong, too- almost to a man (or woman) our Soldiers have endured everything from the disruption of their lives to the horrors of combat, and they've endured this while performing their duties in a highly professional manner, without complaint.
Every one of them are heroes in the truest sense of the word. And they're also soldiers, which means they do what they're told ...It's the politicians who're judged by history, not the soldiers.
Gunslngr said it best-
"Heroism is about putting your life on the line.....its about sacrifice....its about service before self."
That's what our people over there are doing- they're putting their butts on the line. They are damn sure MY heroes.
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<-Boycotting CBS
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Originally posted by Airhead
And he's wrong, too- almost to a man (or woman) our Soldiers have endured everything from the disruption of their lives to the horrors of combat, and they've endured this while performing their duties in a highly professional manner, without complaint.
Every one of them are heroes in the truest sense of the word. And they're also soldiers, which means they do what they're told ...It's the politicians who're judged by history, not the soldiers.
Gunslngr said it best-
"Heroism is about putting your life on the line.....its about sacrifice....its about service before self."
That's what our people over there are doing- they're putting their butts on the line. They are damn sure MY heroes.
spot on man. Every man and woman in our military is a hero as far as I'm concerned.
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The world also looks completely pink if you wear pink glasses.
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I think our military personell are patriots, and good citizens for serving. I think the word hero is being used in place of patriot too much.
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Again Suntracker you are entitled to your opinions......
I still fall back to my earlier post about what an individual considers to be a hero. You cant tell someone that they are "good citizens" or "patriots" and not heros......you are entitled to your opinion and are entitled to say as you wish, however, so are the others that feel that someone may be a hero to THEM.
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Originally posted by Eagler
before he went senile he was funny, now he is just a sad old man
LOL Yup
Kinda like Al Franken
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[spiderman the movies theme song]
I still think all these attitudes are politcally based. I dont limit the use of the word hero to just our military, there's alot of heroic people that never get mentioned.
I dont wear pink glasses I see what I see. I serve my country with some of the finest and worst human beings I've ever had the honor of knowing. I've met people I dont even like that would still "take that hill" with out thinking twice about it.
you want to tell me to take these people arnt heroic for doing their duty weather they agree with it or not....fine that's your opinion.
But you telling me that my opinion is manipulated by the media....well I tell you your wrong.
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
does he even know that not all heros fire weapons and save lives.
all that considered Grunts are not effective grunts without LG....that means logistics...IE BEANS (chow) BAND AIDS (Medical attention) BAD GUYS (intel...no laughs please) BULLETS (supply)
Grunts are just a big wheel with a bunch of different cogs that keep it spinning.
he is an idiot who doesnt even deserve this post from me.
Reminds me of a quote I once read. Unsure who said it but it makes sence.
"Amatures think strategy. Professionals think logistics"
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
LOL Yup
Kinda like Al Franken
Oy oy oy
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He's got the right.
My War (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0517179865/104-5940937-5955115?v=glance)
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Originally posted by Montezuma
He's got the right.
My War (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0517179865/104-5940937-5955115?v=glance)
everyone has the right to critisize....its called free speech. Just cause somone actually served in combat (even if it was as a journalist) does not give them any MORE or LESS right to talk about it or critisize others.
I still serve in Active duty. Does that mean I'm more or less of an expert than anyone else who chose not to? NOPE it doesnt. Gotta disagree with ya on this.
from the article
"We must support our soldiers in Iraq because it's our fault they're risking their lives there. However, we should not bestow the mantle of heroism on all of them for simply being where we sent them. Most are victims, not heroes."
typical libral BS. You are a victom....we should feel sorry for you blah blah blah.
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
does he even know what its like to get 48 notice to deploy knowing that your wife is 8 months pregnant.
does he even know what its like to start college classes on off duty time to help better yourself to only have to drop them
does he even know what its like to be a reservist and have to put your carreer and family aside to do you duty.
does he even know that not all heros fire weapons and save lives.
I think he might know about service to his country.
Andy Rooney served with an artillery unit in WWII. He became a combat journalist for Stars and Stripes, becoming one of the first correspondents allowed aboard bombers attacking Germany. Not exactly a safe job. He was also one of the first correspondents to enter a concentration camp.
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Originally posted by Silat
I think he might know about service to his country.
Andy Rooney served with an artillery unit in WWII. He became a combat journalist for Stars and Stripes, becoming one of the first correspondents allowed aboard bombers attacking Germany. Not exactly a safe job. He was also one of the first correspondents to enter a concentration camp.
so this means the constitution provides him more rights as a citizin than somone who had bad knees and wasnt aloud to serve?
there are alot o combat vets who utter political BS just like this that make my stomach churn. Just cause they served doesnt make them any smarter/dumber than somone who didnt.
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He didn't say that, he simply answered your question Gunslinger. No need to twist Silat's words around.
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Originally posted by Maverick
stabby,
You never answered my question, I take it then you have no experiance.
I fully understand the volunteer forces. I have 24 years of being a volunteer.
Got to ask this Maverick, how does a front line serviceman on active duty who stands a chance of being maimed and killed feel about civilians, any civilians - I know how my buds and I used to feel was wondering how you guys felt.
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Originally posted by SOB
He didn't say that, he simply answered your question Gunslinger. No need to twist Silat's words around.
I twist no ones words around. To completly ignore the story and say oh he's a vet so he must be right is just blind. To me if you just sit there and say he has the right to say that means you agree with him.
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I think you need to read the thread again. Silat responded to your question, you did put words into his mouth and give meaning to his post that wasn't there to begin with.
As for thinking Rooney has the right to say what he said, I sure as hell do, and I don't really agree or disagree with it. You're welcome to interpret what I said however you like, though.
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Originally posted by SOB
I think you need to read the thread again. Silat responded to your question, you did put words into his mouth and give meaning to his post that wasn't there to begin with.
As for thinking Rooney has the right to say what he said, I sure as hell do, and I don't really agree or disagree with it. You're welcome to interpret what I said however you like, though.
so you take no stance whatso ever that our young men and woman that defend this country are heros. Well that's fine. I never said Roony didnt have the right to say what he said. I said he didnt have any more or less right to say what he said just because he was a combat corispondent during WWII.
If what he's saying is wrong....its wrong....plain and simple.
as far as me putting words in silat's mouth...I posed a question to him....not made a statement for him.
EDIT removes foot from mouth....I see were I'm wrong here. the questions I posted were more or less retorical....but oh well.
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I've got no strong opinion on the article or Rooney. However, I don't think being a member of the armed forces automatically makes you a hero - that's what I said in my first post.
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Andy correcting his DI on proper grammar that's a SNL bit.
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Rooney is certainly entitled to his opinion, and I acknowledge and respect his service in World War II. However, that does not mean I don't think he's a self inflated pompous dipstick, who is completely wrong in his opinion that the honor and respect the people pay to soldiers is nothing more than a cheap trick to fool them, and that soldiers are victims. To use soldiers in the manner he uses them in order to promote his political agenda is beneath contempt.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Got to ask this Maverick, how does a front line serviceman on active duty who stands a chance of being maimed and killed feel about civilians, any civilians - I know how my buds and I used to feel was wondering how you guys felt.
Schadenfruende,
In all seriousness you should ask this question of those who are currently serving. Feelings and opinions were a bit different in the mid early to mid 70's as well as the 80's and up to GW1.
I can still recall the animosity on my old college campus when I had the temerity to walk accross the lawn in my ROTC uniform. Having things thrown at you by strangers who accuse you of things you have never done was not pleasant. We were ordered to stop wearing the uniform outside of our Miltary Science classes and a dressing room was built where our classes were held.
Things did change but not dramatically until Gulf War 1.
Even Grenada and Panama didn't get any where near the recognition that the Gulf conflicts did.
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sorry to hear that Maverick
Perhaps if the people who were throwing things at you knew how we in Malaysia were shivering in our shoes that there would be a big communist problem and were thanking god the Americans were were there stemming the tide....
well they wouldn't know.
but thank you so much for being there. We would have been hugging you!
ravs
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I just see alot of irony in the whole "spit on the soldier thing"
They would spit on us and call us baby killers but yet we defend their very right to say that.
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Gnslinger,
Yep and it will be that way for some time to come. There have always been those who were willing to place themselves above others and denegrate them for their service. Somehow they think that it makes them superior to belittle those who go into harms way. They don't understand what it is to be in service to something greater than themselves. They, IMO, seem to feel they are so great themselves that serving others would be beneath them.
Fortunately there are still some, perhaps many, that are willing to put themselves into the position of defending those unwilling to do so themselves.
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Have no clue do you, just jibberish corn fed crap. I outa write up an article.
:D
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Thanks for the reply - I know that we disliked other combat units, despised anyone in the military that wasn't in a combat unit, the air force were considered to be rather gay and hated civvies who were considered to be lower than shark ***** at the bottom of the ocean.
The lines "Those we fight we do not hate, those we guard we do not love" were very true.