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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Morpheus on April 23, 2004, 10:01:53 PM
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Iz up and there are fights EVERYWHERE you look...!
DIE PIZZA DIE!!!
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Take Mindanao out along with Pizza.
Leave the other small maps, but if they reset have it default to a Fester map for the rest of the week.
Or, just give us the 2 fester maps.
None of the others really stack up.
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
DIE PIZZA DIE!!!
i about died from laughing when i read this.(can't stop laughing)
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like mindy too.
lazs
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I'll log in as soon as I can find a few rolls of quarters.
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You would think that having the alt advantage of a 10k base would discourage the use of Spitfires, but Noooooooo.....
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Iz up and there are fights EVERYWHERE you look...!
DIE PIZZA DIE!!!
well said. and fun for bombers too... :aok
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Maybe in the evenings, but not in the mornings..
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Pizza is Bad.... Mm-kay...
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Looked in the outer "non-furball" area. Found a few cons. WT got me :( Rooks were losing. Many bases capped, 25% fuel, or being overrun. Vulch or be vulched, gang or be ganged. Tried the CT - boring. Came back to MA - even more boring. Some good gangbangs to be had (if you are not rook). Plenty of conveyor-belting to be done if you do get shot down - hence it doesn't matter if you do. The decision will be made by one factor - numbers. Chased a P51 at 25K. All he did was dive/run all the way down to 5K. Plenty of arcade 25¢ play to be had. For lone wolfing, forget it.
Not the best evening I can remember.
Favourite maps - pizza, Trinity, OZK.
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Chased a P51 at 25K
How much time did you waste climbing to 25k?
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Originally posted by beet1e
Chased a P51 at 25K. All he did was dive/run all the way down to 5K.
In actual fact the 51 driver was afk. When he got back to his computer he looked at the altimeter and said "25K? WTF?" He cursed his wife for making him look at paint swatches, and immediately dove down to a respectable altitude. He probably didn't even notice you and the exciting tooth and nail chase you had with him.
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Originally posted by Steve
How much time did you waste climbing to 25k?
As little as possible. I used a 109G10. Went to the kitchen to organise refreshment while it was climbing.
LOL Nash. Nice try.
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Originally posted by Nash
In actual fact the 51 driver was afk. When he got back to his computer he looked at the altimeter and said "25K? WTF?" He cursed his wife for making him look at paint swatches, and immediately dove down to a respectable altitude. He probably didn't even notice you and the exciting tooth and nail chase you had with him.
LOL, Bravo!
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chased a 51 at 25k... wow... can a person have any more fun than that? is that what they call one of those furball things?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
chased a 51 at 25k... wow... can a person have any more fun than that? is that what they call one of those furball things?
lazs
yeah. was the highlight of the session.
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why do people have problems with flying to 25k? you up, press auto climb. then alt tab and goto your fav p0rn site while your waiting ;)
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Wouldn't mind if it stayed for another week personally....
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LOL Beet,
There were plenty of 1 v 1 fights last night. I flew a few low yank and banks, then switched it over to 10k 190 A5 runs.
With the bases as close as they were, if the knights had one field capped I could fly a half sector to the next rook base. I almost always found one or two targets on their way to help defend against the knights cap. On the other maps you wont get guys flying from one base to help another because they are too far apart.
I got into a great 1 v 1 with Hispd 190 vs 109. Kappa cleaned my clock in his 38 another 1v1. I guess you can't be afraid to get into a trouble and need to take some chances.
I almost pissed my pants when you typed on chan1 "Augering from boredom". I thought to myself, "Can Beet be that big of a weener. All these fights going on and he can't find one"
Looked in the outer "non-furball" area. Found a few cons.
If I read this right are you insinuating that most of the people were not flying where there were few cons? If so...
Could this mean that given the choice the majority of the people will fight where they can find an abundance of fights. Could it also mean that they don't take long boring flights unless the map forces them to, because the other choices don't exist?
Interesting.
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Hi Mars,
I was operating from the rook base south of A196. That's in the area of spaced out fields. I saw a few skirmishes, but eventually those dried up. Went to another field but it quickly became overrun by a Bish gangbang. Tried a third field - was OK if you like 1K fights. But when you shoot someone down, they're right back at you with a full clip two minutes later. So what's the point? Furball Alley was not much of an option - Rooks heavily outnumbered by a conveyor belt of cons.
The whole thing was as one person described "Aerial Quake". Only difference being that the vehicles have wings and are known by WW2 names. "Can **** be that big of a weener. All these fights going on and he can't find one"
That's what I feel on the pizza map, as I land a 6/8/10 kill sortie.
As for where folks would prefer to fly, I did a poll on the OZK map. A lot of those who answered said they remained in the outer area and NEVER entered the furball melee. So it seems I'm not entirely alone.
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"As for where folks would prefer to fly, I did a poll on the OZK map. A lot of those who answered said they remained in the outer area and NEVER entered the furball melee. So it seems I'm not entirely alone"
Wrong ... "A lot" ... your poll was not that definative.
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Yeah it has alot to do with where you fly and what you want to do I guess. Rooks were getting beat up pretty good last night. Seemed the Knights vs Rooks hade more even numbers which was cool.
As for where folks would prefer to fly, I did a poll on the OZK map. A lot of those who answered said they remained in the outer area and NEVER entered the furball melee. So it seems I'm not entirely alone.
Are you saying your relying on that BB poll, which as you know is a small populace, instead of what you see happening in the MA?
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he threw out the data from his own poll that didn't say that people flew mostly away from the middle isle... he ignored those who said they went wherever there was a furball... he threw out the data for the people who answered say 1and 2 because they didn't flyall the time in the center isle but switched around... even tho 1 and 2 is a lot closer to 1 than 5.
lazs
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Originally posted by Overlag
why do people have problems with flying to 25k? you up, press auto climb. then alt tab and goto your fav p0rn site while your waiting ;)
p47 / f4u-4 / p-51D are great fun at alt...come on up, you La-7 hot shots :aok
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come on up, you La-7 hot shots
2-3k lesser alt is enough of an advantage for the 51 to be able to tackle those La7 hotshot aces... no need to go any higher than they are to kill them with ease.
Went to the kitchen to organise refreshment while it was climbing
LOL Beet!
You S.O.B you make me laugh. Was it whine?:D :D :D
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Originally posted by beet1e
Hi Mars,
I was operating from the rook base south of A196. That's in the area of spaced out fields. I saw a few skirmishes, but eventually those dried up. Went to another field but it quickly became overrun by a Bish gangbang. Tried a third field - was OK if you like 1K fights. But when you shoot someone down, they're right back at you with a full clip two minutes later. So what's the point? Furball Alley was not much of an option - Rooks heavily outnumbered by a conveyor belt of cons.
The whole thing was as one person described "Aerial Quake". Only difference being that the vehicles have wings and are known by WW2 names. That's what I feel on the pizza map, as I land a 6/8/10 kill sortie.
As for where folks would prefer to fly, I did a poll on the OZK map. A lot of those who answered said they remained in the outer area and NEVER entered the furball melee. So it seems I'm not entirely alone.
beet1e if aerial quake bothers you just spend more time in the tower between your deaths. That way things will feel more controlled and measured. :)
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Oh! I see I have quite a following! Hello Slapshot!
Wrong ... "A lot" ... your poll was not that definative.
Well of course, "a lot" is relative to the number of people who participated. There were about 32 valid replies. Of those considered valid, 5 was the number most voted (about 25% of the valid votes) - "I never go to furball central". But you're free to interpret the poll as you wish. I said at the time I had no axe to grind. In fact I don't know why you brought it up...
Mars01 - see the above. -and you're still my favourite maroon! (http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/jester.gif)
Lazs - "he threw out the data from his own poll that didn't say that people flew mostly away from the middle isle... he ignored those who said they went wherever there was a furball... he threw out the data for the people who answered say 1 and 2 because they didn't flyall the time in the center isle but switched around... even tho 1 and 2 is a lot closer to 1 than 5."
I threw out about THREE votes out of about 32, those three being people who couldn't follow the directions. The response I asked for was for a numeric integer between 1 and 5. Not too difficult one would have thought. Two of the votes cast were 2.5 and 3.5. In calculating the average, those two would have cancelled eachother out. Someone else voted 2/3 - whassthatthen? Two thirds? 2.4? Sorry - no spoilt ballot papers allowed. Other than those, there was a brick-of-text from Lazs, but no numeric vote as required - vote discounted. So... by how much did that alter the poll? Very, very little. Possibly 0.2%. Erm.... what was your point again, Lazs?
Morpheus! No wine - Stella Artois!
Hornet - tnx for the advice. I died only one plane death tonight, and one LVT death. It was a much better night than last night, with CV battles going on around the edge. I did some toolshed killing, some air combat, and some field captures (one by goon, one by LVT).
I got into trouble in the south of the map. Spits and LA7s all over me like a cheap suit. Check out the film (http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/film262b_0120.zip). It's pretty funny if you dislike LA7/Spit as I do. :lol And I did land two kills at the end of the sortie. :D:D
Getting late, so Toodle-Pip! ;)
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Well Beet,
I wasnt trying to get smart with you, I do find is amazing tho, in one breath you cry about everyone flying in the furball area, then in the other you say no one chose to fly in the furball area.
I guess it is hard to admit, most people given the choice, will go where the fields are close and the fights are.
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I hate furballs. I think they are a waste of time and fighting also.
I wish this game was based solely on porking, suiciding and taking bases. Anything else is just no fun.
FesterMA does suck after all. Fights all over no one wants to take bases. THe steamroller never waits for me to come on line:mad:
I hate everything pretty much. I hate it all:mad:
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That's what I feel on the pizza map, as I land a 6/8/10 kill sortie
Ya, it's the maps faults you don't land more kills.
:aok
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"Oh! I see I have quite a following! Hello Slapshot! "
Please ... just watch and making sure that the BS .. errr ... I mean embelishments don't get out of hand.
"Well of course, "a lot" is relative to the number of people who participated. There were about 32 valid replies. Of those considered valid, 5 was the number most voted (about 25% of the valid votes) - "I never go to furball central". But you're free to interpret the poll as you wish. I said at the time I had no axe to grind. In fact I don't know why you brought it up... "
I didn't bring up your poll ... you did. The poll is so flawed that it should never be used as a reference ... unless of course someone were to want to add smoke and mirrors to a thread.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Oh! I see I have quite a following!
No other reason to continually post
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Beet ever think that 2/3 might mean Numbers 2 and 3? :rolleyes:
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This map is maybe worser than the pizza, And looks the guys that been whining about it. I met yesterday in a big milkrunning horde yesterday over the south part of bish land.
about 3 guys defending against 30+
i now and than killed 2 before i was being bounced by the rook horde.
my fault but don't say the map is better and milkrunn in hordes.
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Originally posted by mars01
Well Beet,
I wasnt trying to get smart with you, I do find is amazing tho, in one breath you cry about everyone flying in the furball area, then in the other you say no one chose to fly in the furball area.
Mars - that observation was made on a different map, the OZK map. Because of all the islands on that map, there was always a CV engagement to be found outside furball central. Hence a lot of people (and I was one of them) never needed to enter furball central. Maybe that's why more people voted 5 than any other vote in that poll.
Morpheus - LOL!
Steve - "Ya, it's the maps faults you don't land more kills." So why do people whine about the pizza map? Is it the map's fault they can't land kills or can't find fights? I do fine with it. Oh wait, maybe it's because of night/twilight. :lol
Slapshot - it's embellishment. "The poll is so flawed that it should never be used as a reference" Geez, can't a guy just ask a few playmates how they played the OZK map without someone saying "your question was flawed" or maybe "that was four questions" ?? As I said at the time, that poll was to satisfy my idle curiosity. Sorry if the answers given do not fit your agenda. Deal with it. :rolleyes:
Wadke! "Beet ever think that 2/3 might mean Numbers 2 and 3?" Wadke, ever think that a numeric integer in the range 1-5 does not include answers like 2/3, 2.5 or 3.5? :rolleyes:
Did anyone actually watch that film? I watched it again this morning and, to borrow a Mars01 euphemism, I nearly pissed my pants laughing. :lol
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wadke.. he doesn't like polls that he doesn't control the results before he starts. If someone explained why they liked the furballs their ballot was thrown out... if they explained why they liked to avoid the furballs (even if it was because of connect issues) their vote counted as "I hate furballs" and agree with beetle" Allmost all the ballots thrown out... more than two thirds BTW were ones that would not have agreed with his precponcieved results... Also.. at least during prime time... poll or no, what people wanted to do was obvious.
lazs
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Lazs,
I never took you for a liar, so I ascribe the inaccuracy of the above to your failing memory as you move deeper into senility.
(http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_5_134.gif)
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Mars - that observation was made on a different map, the OZK map. Because of all the islands on that map, there was always a CV engagement to be found outside furball central. Hence a lot of people (and I was one of them) never needed to enter furball central. Maybe that's why more people voted 5 than any other vote in that poll.
Not to beleaguer this point, but I agree the poll has nothing to do with anything. It was a fun thing to see what people would say but that was about it. I think what actually happens in the MA reins supreme and from your post it seems that you are frustrated that more people don't fly where the fields are farther apart and that most people will go where the fields are close and the fights are.
It was this way on OZ and is this way on Fester. The other maps don't have many if any, close fields so people are forced to do more flying around than fighting.
Bug no offense, but what the hell are you saying? Your not BGB using a shade account are you?:D
As for the hordes, they are a product of the numbers not the maps. Every map has it's hordes, but at least with the bases closer together you can continually up and hit the horde multiple times in a timely manor, where as on other maps you have one chance to hit the horde since the bases are too far apart. If you get there in time, like you said you get a few then the ineveitable happens, you get ganged.
Since the bases are a sector or more apart most are not going to fly that long just to get ganged again. So no, people don't fight the horde on the other maps. On Fester and Oz the horde sometimes has the ability to turn into a great furball because people are willing to make the shortened flight in to higher risk situations.
Lets face it, closer bases means more jumping off points to defend and faster times to the fight, which means more people fighting and less people hiding.
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Geesh ... I think that maybe you ought to be taking the Ginko Biloba and not Lazs.
Let me remind you what you said ...
"I did a poll on the OZK map. A lot of those who answered said they remained in the outer area and NEVER entered the furball melee. So it seems I'm not entirely alone."
The wording of ... "A lot" ... is the smoke and mirrors. Those that read this post, who never saw your "idle curiosity" poll thread, would be inclined to believe that the majority of those polled didn't enter the furball area ... ergo ... more people don't like to furball compared to those that do, which is not true.
If you poll was to "satisfy my idle curiosity", then leave it at that ... it's not material enough to reference and use to try to prove a point.
:D
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Slapshot - I can tell you're an IBMer, coming out with stuff like this! Thanks for the memory - LOL :D Does IBM still ship pisspot utilities like IEBGENER and IEFBR14, and charge the customer for them? :lol Hehe, if the pilot of a light aircraft unsure of his position were to fly past your office window and ask you where he was, you'd probably lean out and say "you're in the cockpit of a light aircraft". He'd then know exactly where he was, as only an IBMer could come out with something so utterly useless!
Originally posted by SlapShot
The wording of ... "A lot" ... is the smoke and mirrors. Those that read this post, who never saw your "idle curiosity" poll thread, would be inclined to believe that the majority of those polled didn't enter the furball area ... ergo ... more people don't like to furball compared to those that do, which is not true.
If you poll was to "satisfy my idle curiosity", then leave it at that ... it's not material enough to reference and use to try to prove a point.
Slapshot, you are being obtuse. Clearly, quantities of expression like "a lot" are relative to the potential quantity under discussion. For example, if the local blood bank was down to its last two litres of blood, it would be a state of emergency, and they could rightly say that they do not have a lot left. Conversely, If you were to be traumatised in an accident (perish the thought) and lost two litres of blood, it could be said that "he's in a bad way - he's lost a lot of blood".
It's quite simple really. No need to get all IBMesque about it. :rolleyes:
But since you mention it, yes I do remember what I said. And the fact is that 8 out of 26 voted answer 5. So a single answer representing 20% of the possible valid answers got more than 30% of the votes. Given that only ONE person voted for answer 1, I'd say that EIGHT votes for answer 5 was "a lot", ie 8 times as many - we've already established that quantities like "a lot" relate to the total possible, in this case 8 out of 26. Note - I did not say "a majority". Indeed, it's a large minority.
And where have I tried to use this to make any sort of point? All I said was that I was not alone in my flying pattern on OZK. Nothing more.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Mars - that observation was made on a different map, the OZK map. Because of all the islands on that map, there was always a CV engagement to be found outside furball central. Hence a lot of people (and I was one of them) never needed to enter furball central. Maybe that's why more people voted 5 than any other vote in that poll.
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Besides the fact that you can't generalize the poll even to AH forum subscribers, you draw erroneous conclusions on top of it. By conveniently throwing out the 2/3 responses and the 3.5 responses, you've managed to swing the results such that 5 represents the mode. However, if you distribute one 2/3 response to 2 and the other to 3, and if you score the 3.5 as either a 3 or 4, then the 5 no longer remains the most common response. In fact, according to what I counted, either 3 or 4 becomes the mode based on how you scored the 3.5 response.
In addition, you've failed to include responses that came after you declared the poll "closed" which would have altered the results. Why is it not surprising that you closed the poll once you felt you had enough votes to declare "5" the victor?
When I looked at the data, the average became 3.6 with a standard deviation of 1.13 -- meaning that, basically, 75% of the responses fall within the range 2.5 and 4.7. In addition, 73.3% of the respondents spent at least some time furballing on the central island, and 46.7% spent at least half their time or more there.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by beet1e
Slapshot - I can tell you're an IBMer, coming out with stuff like this! Thanks for the memory - LOL :D Does IBM still ship pisspot utilities like IEBGENER and IEFBR14, and charge the customer for them? :lol Hehe, if the pilot of a light aircraft unsure of his position were to fly past your office window and ask you where he was, you'd probably lean out and say "you're in the cockpit of a light aircraft". He'd then know exactly where he was, as only an IBMer could come out with something so utterly useless! Slapshot, you are being obtuse. Clearly, quantities of expression like "a lot" are relative to the potential quantity under discussion. For example, if the local blood bank was down to its last two litres of blood, it would be a state of emergency, and they could rightly say that they do not have a lot left. Conversely, If you were to be traumatised in an accident (perish the thought) and lost two litres of blood, it could be said that "he's in a bad way - he's lost a lot of blood".
It's quite simple really. No need to get all IBMesque about it. :rolleyes:
But since you mention it, yes I do remember what I said. And the fact is that 8 out of 26 voted answer 5. So a single answer representing 20% of the possible valid answers got more than 30% of the votes. Given that only ONE person voted for answer 1, I'd say that EIGHT votes for answer 5 was "a lot", ie 8 times as many - we've already established that quantities like "a lot" relate to the total possible, in this case 8 out of 26. Note - I did not say "a majority". Indeed, it's a large minority.
And where have I tried to use this to make any sort of point? All I said was that I was not alone in my flying pattern on OZK. Nothing more.
Why am I not surpised that you must always bring down a discussion to the personal attack level.
I happen to enjoy working for IBM. There are an extrodinary amount of brilliant people that work for this company and do some brilliant work, myself included (not brilliant, just proud of my work). You have no real clue as to what I really do and my accomplishemts, so leave the personal stuff out our discussions. I shared personal information with you on a friendly level and never had I expected you to use it as some sort of jab to air globally. This is the second time that you have done this. It's called trust ... and you just lost mine.
I am not being obtuse. Your anecdotal evidence of trying to describe "A lot" definately has more supportive data which would lead one to understand the meaning of "A lot" in context, but your statement ...
"I did a poll on the OZK map. A lot of those who answered said they remained in the outer area and NEVER entered the furball melee. So it seems I'm not entirely alone."
... lacks supportive data for one to interpret what beet1e's definition of "A lot" means in context to the statement, hence the "Smoke and Mirrors".
Nice one Levi .. it just goes to show how much BS polls are. It's all in what angle you are looking to "work" the numbers.
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DMF, as I said at the time of the poll, it was not meant to be scientific - a straw poll, if you will. There were a couple of 2/3 responses. It's not my fault if people can't follow instructions and vote with a numeric integer in the range 1-5. The vast majority understood, and did just that. Why should I bother to determine whether 2/3 means 2.1 or 2.9? I'd have done the same thing if someone answered 4/5.
As for the 2.5 and 3.5 votes (one each) these cancelled eachother out when calculating the mean average, as each vote deviated from the median (3) by the same amount (0.5)
Why is it not surprising that you closed the poll once you felt you had enough votes to declare "5" the victor?
The poll was not about "winners" and "losers". I had no idea what the results would be. My intention was to leave the poll open for 24 hours to allow a complete global "day" for voting because of votes coming in from around the world. On that basis, perhaps I should have disallowed Spitter's 4 vote, because that came more than 24 hours after initial posting but before I calculated the average. There was a 2 vote long after the poll closed, and thence followed the usual flamefest. When I looked at the data, the average became 3.6
OK, as opposed to my calculation of 3.69. Is it worth arguing about 0.09? In addition, 73.3% of the respondents spent at least some time furballing on the central island, and 46.7% spent at least half their time or more there.
Indeed, and from your own figures it follows that 53.3% spent less than half their time at furball central and 26.7% didn't go there at all. But so what? It really doesn't matter. :) But it kind of sucks if the only way to make your stance is by reintroducing spoilt ballot papers.
Slapshot!!! Keep your hair on, matey! Haven't you heard that IBM joke before? I happen to enjoy working for IBM. There are an extrodinary amount of brilliant people that work for this company and do some brilliant work, myself included (not brilliant, just proud of my work). You have no real clue as to what I really do and my accomplishemts, so leave the personal stuff out our discussions. I shared personal information with you on a friendly level and never had I expected you to use it as some sort of jab to air globally. This is the second time that you have done this. It's called trust ... and you just lost mine.
Yes they do employ some brilliant people - and I was one of them. :D I would not have made that joke but for the fact that you have been quite public in other threads that you work for IBM, so it's not as if I'm the one responsible for blowing your cover. You did it yourself.
Yeah, Levi's quite the statistician, I agree. After three paragraphs he's recalculated the mean average down from 3.69 to 3.60. Wow, that's almost 0.1 :eek: - and changes everything! :lol
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Originally posted by beet1e
DMF, as I said at the time of the poll, it was not meant to be scientific - a straw poll, if you will. There were a couple of 2/3 responses. It's not my fault if people can't follow instructions and vote with a numeric integer in the range 1-5. The vast majority understood, and did just that. Why should I bother to determine whether 2/3 means 2.1 or 2.9? I'd have done the same thing if someone answered 4/5.
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Now you've discovered why it is best to use seven possible responses in a continuous categorical variable rather than five. The fact that several individuals found wiggle room "between" your categories means that you didn't provide enough categories to accurately describe gameplay. The fault therefore lay partially with your survey design. In reality, with such a low number of people responding, you should be happy to include as many responses as possible; perhaps you could have asked for clarifications before closing the polls.
As for the 2.5 and 3.5 votes (one each) these cancelled eachother out when calculating the mean average, as each vote deviated from the median (3) by the same amount (0.5)
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There were two 2/3 (2.5) votes, not one. As such, they would not deviate the same amount. The mean for one 2.5 response and one 3.5 response is 3.0; for two 2.5 responses and one 3.5 response it is ~2.8.
OK, as opposed to my calculation of 3.69. Is it worth arguing about 0.09?
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Yes, but the mean doesn't really tell the story here anyway. More significantly, the mode changes from 5 to 3 when including the previously excluded responses. The distribution of responses becomes almost half as left-skewed as well and begins to more closely approximate a normal distribution.
Indeed, and from your own figures it follows that 53.3% spent less than half their time at furball central and 26.7% didn't go there at all.
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True, a majority of the players spent less than half of their time at furball island. However, your claims that "a lot" of players never flew there are incorrect or at least overstated. By the same token, anybody who claims that the 16.7% who flew there more than 50% of the time is "a lot" is also incorrect.
But so what? It really doesn't matter. :) But it kind of sucks if the only way to make your stance is by reintroducing spoilt ballot papers.
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What is my stance exactly? I'm providing a corrective to your analysis by including excluded data that changes the way we look at the results. I'm not really favoring one position or another, and why should I? However, you can't keep claiming that you recognize that these results mean nothing while constantly pointing to them as proving something to Slapshot or Mars. If you're going to pretend like these results mean something, then use them correctly.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by beet1e
I would not have made that joke but for the fact that you have been quite public in other threads that you work for IBM, so it's not as if I'm the one responsible for blowing your cover. You did it yourself
You'd be the first to insult Slap tho.
I don't know anything about IBM other than Slap works there and yu don't.
Sounds like a smart run company to me.
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I would allmost rather fight leviathn in my Fm2 vs his spit than tell argue about polling with him beet. well... I know I would... I might stand a chance in the FM2.
lazs
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My problem with the FesterMA map is the way it seems to encourage everyone to fly in massive mobs. The first few days are great, but by thursday or friday you'll be damn lucky to find an enemy that doesn't have 20 friends with him.
Pizza was the solution to the horde-frenzy effects of maps like festerma. The reason it seemed so boring and frustrating compared to these quick flight maps is that it doesn't force everyone to fly with a mob. If you're in a mob and all 20 of you only come accross one or two lone pilots the majority of the dweebish cowards don't even get an opportunity to get shot down, let alone killed. By the end of a week of pizza people are flying with one or two wingmen, and the fights are considerably more based on skill then numbers. Keep pizza in the rotation just to calm people down after a week of festerma, if nothing else.
-pellik
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Levi! I'm beginning to think that you work for IBM as well!
Now you've discovered why it is best to use seven possible responses in a continuous categorical variable rather than five. The fact that several individuals found wiggle room "between" your categories means that you didn't provide enough categories to accurately describe gameplay. The fault therefore lay partially with your survey design. In reality, with such a low number of people responding, you should be happy to include as many responses as possible; perhaps you could have asked for clarifications before closing the polls.
You might have a point if we were discussing something of importance. Look Levi, I've said all along - it was not designed as a scientific poll! A simple straw poll/wet finger in the wind - is all. The results are of no real importance. That's why I didn't spend hours designing the poll. I did not call in a firm of statisticians to help me conduct it. Just a simple query begging a simple answer. And most people (about 90%) understood perfectly! If the results are so important to you, and the method by which they are arrived at is so important to you, why don't you do your own poll? There were two 2/3 (2.5) votes, not one. As such, they would not deviate the same amount. The mean for one 2.5 response and one 3.5 response is 3.0; for two 2.5 responses and one 3.5 response it is ~2.8.
I wasn't talking about those 2/3 votes. In addition to those 2/3 votes you mentioned, someone voted 2.5, and someone else voted 3.5. Those votes cancel eachother out with regard to having any bearing on the mean average. True, a majority of the players spent less than half of their time at furball island. However, your claims that "a lot" of players never flew there are incorrect or at least overstated. By the same token, anybody who claims that the 16.7% who flew there more than 50% of the time is "a lot" are also incorrect.
OK, let's put it another way. Out of the five possible valid responses, only one (#5) signifies that the voter spent no time at all at furball central. It just so happens that #5 drew more votes than any other valid answer, ie 8 out of 26 counted. However, you can't keep claiming that you recognize that these results mean nothing while constantly pointing to them as proving something to Slapshot or Mars. If you're going to pretend like these results mean something, then use them correctly.
What are you talking about? I don't keep "constantly pointing" to these results. I said "As for where folks would prefer to fly, I did a poll on the OZK map. A lot of those who answered said they remained in the outer area and NEVER entered the furball melee. So it seems I'm not entirely alone." and I said it only once. Get it? The only conclusion I drew, and commented on only once was that "I'm not entirely alone" with regard to MA environment preference. But here you come with your standard deviation analysis, correcting me by 0.09 - what's the big deal?
Sax - yes, I do not work for IBM. Most people don't. But after I had worked for them at a client site in 1992-94, they invited me to join two further projects - 1994-95, and 1996. I think that speaks for itself. :D And I didn't insult Slap. Just a bit of banter is all.
Lazs - don't worry - the whole thrust of what Levi is saying is based on a couple of 2/3 votes, nothing more. And STILL the answer that drew the most responses was #5. And not even Levi can change that. :D
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Iz up and there are fights EVERYWHERE you look...!
DIE PIZZA DIE!!!
have too say im tryed of fester too now. its been longer than a week and im ready for a dirrerent map. but anything but the small isle map
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Originally posted by beet1e
Levi! I'm beginning to think that you work for IBM as well!
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Um. No.
"I'm not entirely alone" with regard to MA environment preference. But here you come with your standard deviation analysis, correcting me by 0.09 - what's the big deal?
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Perhaps you missed the part where the mode changed from 5 to 3 in my analysis. That is, when including all responses, more people considered themselves part of the third group than any other.
Lazs - don't worry the whole thrust of what Levi is saying is based on a couple of 2/3 votes, nothing more. And STILL the answer that drew the most responses was #5. And not even Levi can change that. :D
Actually, I think I might have missed this 2.5 vote you mentioned. I believe the newly included votes were those two 2/3 votes, a 3.5 vote, and a couple of votes made after you "closed" the poll. So if in fact I failed to count an additional 2.5, the mean changes even lower.
Here's how I counted the distribution of votes:
1: 1 vote
2: 4 votes
3: 9 votes
4: 8 votes
5: 8 votes
So including the others changes the mode and undercuts this argument you're making that 5 enjoyed the most responses.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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have too say im tryed of fester too now. its been longer than a week and im ready for a dirrerent map. but anything but the small isle map
ROFL... Um no it hasnt...
LONG LIVE FESTERMA!
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Beet, by your own logic, your poll means nothing, nada, jack squat.
When convincing results showed that people wanted the pizza map gone, you were one of the ones quick to point out that only a small portion of the MA was represented here on this board. Ergo, any poll done on this board is equally meaningless. So, other than for entertainment, your poll was a complete waste of time.
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And so was your post Steve. :D
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Here's how I counted the distribution of votes:
1: 1 vote
2: 4 votes
3: 9 votes
4: 8 votes
5: 8 votes
So including the others changes the mode and undercuts this argument you're making that 5 enjoyed the most responses.
-- Todd/Leviathn
The only thing that's changed is that you've made your own interpretation on the votes that I have deemed to be invalid because they were outside the requested range of 1-5. For my purposes (and remember I did this poll for me, no-one else) 2/3 is not a valid vote. 3/4 would not have been either. I was not merely eliminating votes below the median - indeed, I discounted a 3.5 vote. There was also an "in the sky" vote from Morph. How would you like to interpret that, Levi. Let's see now - three words, so it's a 3. But oh, the average word length in that answer is 2.6666666 letters. Want to make it a 2.7? :rolleyes: Someone else voted 1,2,3,4,5! What do you make of that!
What you fail to realise, Levi, is that anything on this board is soon trashed. I even said it when I posted - I doubted that we could survive 12 hours before a flame fest - that came much later, thankfully. But I am not going to sit here, scratching my head to decide what someone means when he says "2/3" or "1,2,3,4,5" or "in the sky". You KNOW what this board is like, with all the trash talk. The very fact that some people gave invalid answers of the type given demonstrates to me that they haven't read the question properly. And therefore their votes should be discounted. But as I said, if it's SO important to you, do your own poll! Interpret it how you want! I've done my poll, and admittedly - I was surprised at the distribution of votes. But remember - about 6 of the respondents were TAS - a furball squad - and that will have skewed things a little. But even by your own calculations, the voting pattern is weighted heavily towards the 3-5 end. And you know what? It simply doesn't matter. At least not to me. YMMV. :aok
Originally posted by Jackal1
And so was your post Steve. :D
LOL Jackal! Good one. :lol
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Originally posted by beet1e
What do you make of that!
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Even if you round the responses in question up, the overall results invalidate your claims that 5 represents the mode. Naturally you are free to ignore any responses you wish, and I'm free to point out how doing so rather than seeking clarifications has skewed your results.
But even by your own calculations, the voting pattern is weighted heavily towards the 3-5 end.
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This is true... something like 85%+ percent of the respondents answered with a 3, 4, or 5 even by my calculations. However, I'm not sure how you would interpret that to mean anything since over 70% of the players flew on furball island in some capacity albeit in varying amounts.
All of this picks at nits, of course, since the poll (which you seem to recognize) holds no external validity. Essentially, it tells you how much people who hang out on the forums and who happened to read your thread and respond to it in a limited time frame flew on the center island. That doesn't give you much leverage in an argument obviously.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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You know Levi, I thought you were a smart guy. It's a pleasure to read your posts. The grammar and spelling are impeccable, and you are clearly very well educated. But now you're making me wonder. However, I will reserve judgement for now.
the overall results invalidate your claims that 5 represents the mode.
WRONG. You cited earlier that NINE people voted #3. And that is false. There were only 7. But you have conveniently added a couple of votes into the #3 camp in order to manipulate the stats in such a way as to lower the mode. You used your own interpretation to assign invalid votes into what you personally considered to be the appropriate compartments in order to make good on your agenda. A 5 year old could see through that. But it doesn't really matter. After closure there was one more #3, and even a #2. But as I've been saying all along, a straw poll is all that was intended. If you feel compelled to recalculate the results applying your own interpretation to dubious votes to suit your agenda, be my guest.All of this picks at nits, of course, since the poll (which you seem to recognize) holds no external validity. Essentially, it tells you how much people who hang out on the forums and who happened to read your thread and respond to it in a limited time frame flew on the center island. That doesn't give you much leverage in an argument obviously.
Exactly! And I made that abundantly clear in that poll thread. As for "That doesn't give you much leverage in an argument obviously.", can you please identify what argument I was making when I conducted that poll? As far as I am aware, the only comment I made about it in here was to mention it, and the fact that other people felt the same way as I did about OZK. So please - do enlighten me. What is this "argument" I'm trying to make? And which results do you have in mind when you say that I am "constantly pointing to them as proving something to Slapshot or Mars."?
I had a drink at the pub earlier. I saw a friend in there and asked if he'd like a beer (or not). And he said that was an improper way to ask the question and that a simple yes/no choice left too much wiggle room. To ask him properly I had to offer him at least seven choices for the question to be valid. So I asked him if he'd like a Guinness, Cider, Stella, Heineken, Hoegarden, Pils or Kronenbourg. And he said "I'll have a pint of bitter, thanks" ;):lol
Well well, look at the time.
Toodle-Pip! :D
PS. Hope we can wrap this up, as there is to be an extended period of toodle-pippage in the very near future.
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Jackal you have proven to me time and again what a salamander you are. Save your comments... they are constantly made to insult/incite... always without merit or substance. You're a dick, plain and simple.
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Beet, in all seriousness, I'm missing what the big deal about your poll was. It's your poll.. imho you are free to interpret the results any derned way you want..... have a nice day.
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Originally posted by beet1e
I had a drink at the pub earlier. I saw a friend in there and asked if he'd like a beer (or not). And he said that was an improper way to ask the question and that a simple yes/no choice left too much wiggle room. To ask him properly I had to offer him at least seven choices for the question to be valid. So I asked him if he'd like a Guinness, Cider, Stella, Heineken, Hoegarden, Pils or Kronenbourg. And he said "I'll have a pint of bitter, thanks"
I'm not sure why you persist in trying to joke about something that you clearly fail to comprehend. Obviously you do not understand that variables possess different measurement levels, and these measurement levels dictate the sorts of procedures you may employ to analyze the variables. In addition, the sorts of rules and expectations governing the use of these variables in polls varies by measurement level.
I refer you to Hubert Blalock's _Social Statistics_ (1979) (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0070057524/qid=1083206624/sr=8-5/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i5_xgl14/102-0249078-5256170?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) for a more indepth treatment of the subject matter.
Basically, we may measure variables at four different levels -- dichotomous, nominal, ordinal (or continuous categorical as I called it, an apt if incomplete description), and interval/ratio. You erroneously believe that the rules that apply to dichotomous variables (yes and no, for example) likewise apply to ordinal variables for polling purposes when they do not. The example you gave of the beers is nominal -- that is, it is categorical without degrees of difference between categories. Measures such as religion or race fall in this measurement level. Your poll employed an ordinal variable with values ranging from "all the time" to "most of the time" to "none of the time." Interval and ratio measures are truly continuous and consist of things like income and age, though we may turn interval measures into ordinal ones for polling purposes.
Thus you're applying a polling truism -- that you should employ seven categories for ordinal variables -- to nominal and dichotomous examples here and in another thread. tsk tsk.
Toodle pip, chap.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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If yu even understand half of what DMF just wrote I will take back almost everything I have ever said about yu Beetle:)
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Morning, Guys!
Let's do the easy ones first. Steve! Still wasting your time? :D Sax, no need. As you will see in a moment.
DMF! Thanks for the lesson. My brother is a Maths teacher and specialises in Pure Maths and Statistics. (He doesn't like Applied Maths much) I'll be sure to email him with your post. Yes indeed, the mean, the median (Medium?) and the mode. Not many of us know about those different averages.
But now let me tell you about the voting system. I conducted my poll along the lines of how a British parliamentary poll would have been conducted. On polling day, which in this country is always a Thursday, the polling stations open at 7am and close at 10pm. School buildings are often used as polling stations which is great for the kids because they get the day off. The senior person in charge at the polling station (PS) is known as the Returning Officer (RO). Each person coming into the PS to vote is given instructions on how to vote for their chosen candidate. These instructions are to vote for one and only one candidate by marking a X in the space next to the name of the candidate of their choice. This is done in the privacy of a voting booth - no-one looking over the shoulder etc. The ballot paper is then placed in the ballot box for the ballots to be counted later.
Typically, there will be three candiates representing the three major parties - Labour/Conservative/Liberal Democrat (Lab./Con.LD). There may be additional parties such as the Raving Monster Loony Party - I'm being serious. So there could be a few more than three, but there need not be seven.
Some points to note: - If a voter votes for more than one candidate, or marks the ballot paper in any other way other than a single X in ONE of the designated boxes, the vote is void and is deemed to be a "spoilt ballot paper". So, for example, whereas I might be tempted to write "Piss off, Blair" on my own ballot paper at the next election, I must show restraint or else my vote will be discounted.
- The polls are open only for those 15 hours. The RO does not have the option of keeping the PS open if voter turnout has been low, in order to allow a few more people to come along.
- The incumbent party is not empowered to instruct the RO to close the poll when they feel enough votes have been cast and/or that the votes collected thus far are the ones they need to get the result they want.
- When counting the votes, the RO is not empowered to sift through the spoilt ballot papers, making his own interpretation of "what the voter really meant" if more than one vote had been cast, or if the X spanned two boxes. (And that is precisely what your stance has been throughout this entire debate - tinkering with dubious votes, and making your own interpretation as to where to place those votes according to your agenda. Thus it also becomes clear WHY the RO is not empowered to do this.)
So as you can see, DMF, those 2/3 votes equate to an X which spans more than one box in the ballot paper. And 2.5/3.5 would equate to marking Lab./LibDem or maybe Lab./Con. on the paper. Which is it?! How can the RO be sure which single vote the person would have made? They can't. And the only fair way to deal with spoilt ballot papers is to discount them. And that's what I did with those 2/3, 2.5 etc. votes. Maybe I should have said I would close the poll after 24 hours, but the voting had trickled off by then anyway. Basically, we may measure variables at four different levels -- dichotomous, nominal, ordinal (or continuous categorical as I called it, an apt if incomplete description), and interval/ratio. You erroneously believe that the rules that apply to dichotomous variables (yes and no, for example) likewise apply to ordinal variables for polling purposes when they do not. The example you gave of the beers is nominal -- that is, it is categorical without degrees of difference between categories. Measures such as religion or race fall in this measurement level. Your poll employed an ordinal variable with values ranging from "all the time" to "most of the time" to "none of the time." Interval and ratio measures are truly continuous and consist of things like income and age, though we may turn interval measures into ordinal ones for polling purposes.
Yes, very impressive. But don't you think that's way over the top for a guy who just wants to get a broad feel for what a relative handful of his playmates do in a freaking *game*?
:rolleyes::rolleyes: <-- sometimes one is not enough.
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The Problem with FESTERMA is 90% of the time a furball becomes a Gangbang in no time, and thats suck.
i hate gangbangs, from the both ends of it. its not fun racing with 5 others on a single con, and its not fun fighting alone against 5 other cons.
allthough it seems that most ppl enjoy it since once the numbers advantage has been established you will soon see a new horde joining in the fight and by that completely wiping it out- usually ending in a vulching.
ofcourse it happans on all the maps but in festerma its the dominant way of fighting by a huge margin.
(http://members.lycos.co.uk/flyboy16/ahss86.jpg)
EDIT: note pictore, lower area big gangbang to rooks favor, higher area big gangbang to knights favor. and although it doesnt show very well in the pictore (curse jpeg blurrines) in the middle theres a fight which is degrading rapidly in to a gangbang.
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Flyboy -
for getting us back on topic.
I agree 100% with your point of view.
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Originally posted by Steve
Jackal you have proven to me time and again what a salamander you are. Save your comments... they are constantly made to insult/incite... always without merit or substance. You're a dick, plain and simple.
ROFLMAO Yea Stevie boy, your constant whining and your over and over "he personaly insulted me" posts everyday hold a lot more value. :D
Get a grip. :D
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The Problem with FESTERMA is 90% of the time a furball becomes a Gangbang in no time, and thats suck.
i hate gangbangs, from the both ends of it. its not fun racing with 5 others on a single con, and its not fun fighting alone against 5 other cons.
allthough it seems that most ppl enjoy it since once the numbers advantage has been established you will soon see a new horde joining in the fight and by that completely wiping it out- usually ending in a vulching.
ofcourse it happans on all the maps but in festerma its the dominant way of fighting by a huge margin.
Please substanciate how this map makes furballs turn into gangbangs more than any other map?
I guess if you remove the ability to furball, like the pizza map does, then you just have the gangbangs with no defense and therefore no furball.
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Originally posted by mars01
Please substanciate how this map makes furballs turn into gangbangs more than any other map?
I guess if you remove the ability to furball, like the pizza map does, then you just have the gangbangs with no defense and therefore no furball.
yup... at least with festerma if the furball/horde/gangbang gets to your base and starts vulching, you can up at the base 5miles away..........
At least festerma caters for all types of play imo. Pizza doesnt, period. Its just milk run this, milkrun that, but then, most people these days want to take bases almost without a fight.
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I agree Overlag,
I think the closer bases allow a better defense against the hordes and fuel porking.
Maps where the bases are a sector or more apart let the hordes go almost completely unopposed and almost never turn into a furball.
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so on festerma the furball becomes a gangbang when one side gets shot down?
i think by definition if two oposing forces of equal strength engage in a dogfight and one side is winning the loosing side will be reduced in numbers to the point where the remaining planes are gangbanged and their ability to fight on equal footing is lost.
thats if the fight starts evenly.
but why did the fight start? were the players out to dogfight and lost the fight and got ganged?
likely.
on pizza map its more often the case that the players were engaged in taking an airbase and either had no opposition some opposition or were outnumbered and resultantly gangbanged.
ok done rambling.
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by the way it is a lot of fun to fight a hoard of 30+ enemies with a small squad working together to cover eachother.
and if the small squad is in 262s and covering eachother they can pretty much destroy any hoard at will and ussually survive unscathed while the former hoard slinks away and scatters to another part of the map in defeat.
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by the way it is a lot of fun to fight a hoard of 30+ enemies with a small squad working together to cover eachother.
Rgr that, dead on Fester, is defiantly the best part about the hordes, especially when the bases are close together.
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indeed mars.
our squad flies 262s almost exclusively against large hoards of enemy planes. with the large speed advantage its the most fun way to fly that plane, the greater the enemy numbers advantage the more enjoyable it is.
its always such an adrenalin rush when your doing 500mph wiht 3 wingies and tearing the crap out of a hoard of enemy planes that felt so safe with their numbers. and thats the real reason that dweebs fly in hoards and go where the crowd is, they think they are safe!
hahaha screeeeeee blam blam blam
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he personaly insulted me" posts everyday hold a lot more value
Pull your head out of your rectum. Where do I post these posts every day? Ohhh I get it... you were lying.
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Originally posted by mars01
Please substanciate how this map makes furballs turn into gangbangs more than any other map?
I guess if you remove the ability to furball, like the pizza map does
Mars,
On first sight, you seem to be answering your own question. You're asking how FesterMA turns furballs into gangbangs quicker than other maps like pizza, and the answer is that it encourages furballs (which is clearly why the furballers like it) and then, as Flyboy has observed - The Problem with FESTERMA is 90% of the time a furball becomes a Gangbang in no time, and thats suck.
Pizza sees less gangbangery because it doesn't have as much of the furball ingredient which is the very thing (as Flyboy has observed) which leads to gangbangs. That's why furballs are so prevalent on the small maps, which in turn is why the small maps see so much gangbanging. Which is why they suck.
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Let's do the easy ones first. Steve! Still wasting your time?
I supported you in that you are entitled to draw whatever conclusion from your poll you want and this is what you return? Lol, foolish I am for trying again. Beetle you are a blathering fool who argues for for the sake of argument, none here would gainsay me that. You're right, I am wasting my time.
Just one more thing: bugger off you complete banana.
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Originally posted by Steve
I supported you in that you are entitled to draw whatever conclusion from your poll you want and this is what you return? Lol, foolish I am for trying again. Beetle you are a blathering fool who argues for for the sake of argument, none here would gainsay me that. You're right, I am wasting my time.
Just one more thing: bugger off you complete banana.
Steve! Sorry, mate. I enjoyed a good stats discussion. I forgot to acknowledge your earlier remark. As I said, I just wanted the broadest of indications. Nothing too scientific. Nothing that needs to use E-numbers' worth of decimal places. (I'm not talking about food additive e numbers btw :lol) So yes, I asked my Q and I got answers. FWIW I was surprised at the results myself.
Don't go off in a strop! :aok
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I'm not Beet... I just wanted to use "banana" in context hehehehehe. and blathering... do you like the word "blathering" ?
I do. :D
so I got to feign indignation and use "blathering" and "banana".
"don't go off in a strop" That's the next one I'm gonna use!
I honestly wasn't too surprised by the results. I for one avoidfed the center area like the plague. Exception: a time or two I simply couldn't find a fight elsewhere, regardless of long flying time to nowhere.
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Fester has done good work in map making, this game would surely have suffered without his contributions over the past year or so.
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Pizza sees less gangbangery because it doesn't have as much of the furball ingredient which is the very thing (as Flyboy has observed) which leads to gangbangs. That's why furballs are so prevalent on the small maps, which in turn is why the small maps see so much gangbanging. Which is why they suck.
So you are saying furballing creates gangbanging? I think Festers response sums that one up. The only thing I would add is, that if the other side of the furball stops upping then the few that do will end up out numbered. This is not a gangbang this is the death of a furball. I think it is silly to say that furballing is gangbanging.
And yes pizza sees as much hording/gangbanging as any other map, it just goes unopposed because the distance between fields is so great.
Those that join and fly in the hordes will do so no matter what map they are on.
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Originally posted by Citabria
indeed mars.
our squad flies 262s......
could you post some pictures of this... would be most entertaining :D
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Originally posted by Steve
Beet, by your own logic, your poll means nothing, nada, jack squat.
When convincing results showed that people wanted the pizza map gone, you were one of the ones quick to point out that only a small portion of the MA was represented here on this board. Ergo, any poll done on this board is equally meaningless. So, other than for entertainment, your poll was a complete waste of time.
ANY poll conducted here is a complete waste of time for the exact same reason you mentioned. Only a small portion of the population are represented on the boards.
Then again most arguements here are a complete waste of time also. but that never stops us :cool:
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Steve, BTW
WTG on that 11 kill pony run you had on Pizza last week.
Guess ya located at least one fight :aok
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Steve, BTW
WTG on that 11 kill pony run you had on Pizza last week.
Guess ya located at least one fight
Ya bastage.... thought you'd give me crap about that when I landed. Just when it has passed out of my mind ya zing me with it.
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Originally posted by Steve
Pull your head out of your rectum. Where do I post these posts every day? Ohhh I get it... you were lying.
Just pick a day.
Stevie boy, your the only person I know that can use a keyboard and have the text come out in nasal tones.
:D
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Just pick a day.
Find a whine for every day for say... the last 14 days.
Hey, if you ever get to AZ, let me know. I'll let ya hear my voice in person to see if you think it's nasal.
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ROFL Whine me a river sweet cheeks. :D
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Am i the only one that notices true love potential for Steve and Jackal? Cupid struck once again :D
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ROFL Whine me a river sweet cheeks
That's what I thought. Add liar to the long list of words that describe you.
You continue to post worthless drivel. I think you are probably an attention starved closet homosexual who will take bad attention as opposed to none. Well since I'm done w/ you, you'll have to stalk someone else. Feel free to post the last word, no doubt you will be unable to control your impulse to argue senselessly. Get help, maybe it's not too late.
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LMAO your waaaay too easy slick spot. :D
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Originally posted by WldThing
Am i the only one that notices true love potential for Steve and Jackal? Cupid struck once again :D
:D WT although Steve does wear a lot of pink and flys in a lace halter top it still doesn`t make him a chick. I know this has to upset him terribly. :D
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Originally posted by Steve
Ya bastage.... thought you'd give me crap about that when I landed. Just when it has passed out of my mind ya zing me with it.
Yanno I saw the text buffer say you landed em and I was thinking about saying something but then figgered I'd wait.
Told ya I was a bit of a sadist:D
Actually the WTG is heartfelt though an 11 kill flight in anything in any arena aint too shabby
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Originally posted by mars01
So you are saying furballing creates gangbanging? I think Festers response sums that one up.
Furballing is the "active ingredient" of a gangbang, maybe 90% of the time. I think Flyboy's response sums that one up.
Drediock - ANY poll conducted here is a complete waste of time for the exact same reason you mentioned. Only a small portion of the population are represented on the boards.
I agree entirely. My "poll" was a poll by style, by which I mean that I asked a question which had a multiple choice answer. It was finger-in-the-air idle curiosity - not more. And I made that clear throughout, and it's why I haven't used the result to make any points/arguments. I don't have an axe to grind either way. I was fascinated by the results, especially as there were a lot (oops - 6) replies from the TAS alone - about a third of the squad. Given that they are a furball squad, I expected more #1 and #2 answers.
But as for achieving an objective analysis by posting on the BBS, no way. I have been at pains to point that out on every round of pizza whine threads...
...which is why I was so surprised that DMF chose to introduce some highly scientific computations of averages - for a question that only received what I considered to be 26 valid answers. DMF's analysis was like using the very latest electron microscope and the most advanced DNA analysis techniques to study a unicellular organism like an amoeba. Oh well...
Got to go - leaving on a trip to La Rochelle, France in a few hours from now. I'll let DMF assess the most likely day of the week for my return, using his vast knowledge of statistical analysis. I think he might get it in one: There are 7 days in the week, and so he has a choice of 7 answers! It's the perfect DMF conundrum! :lol
Toodle-Pip
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It's good to see that you've stopped obsessing about Toad finally, Beetle. The unfortunate part is that you're now starting to obsess over me.
Not that I'm not flattered, but you're not my type.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Furballing is the "active ingredient" of a gangbang, maybe 90% of the time. I think Flyboy's response sums that one up.
OMG :lol So this is your new stance huh Beet. That’s a pretty shaky one as usual. You guys are getting desperate.
IT HAS BEEN SAID THE GANGBANGING IS CAUSED BY FURBALLING. DOWN WITH FURBALLING AND ALL THE GANGBANGING WILL END.
What a potato peeling Joke :lol This one is so stupid I'm not even going to argue with you Beet.
There it is folks. :lol WTG all you furb.. I mean gangbangers.
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Todd...Did he explain to you how if I person said he didn't like walking on the beach at night you could conclude that the person hated walking or.... hated night... or hated the ocean?
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