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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: artik on April 24, 2004, 12:40:03 AM
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There is all the time discussions on certain non-ww2 setups. All the time there are people that do/do not like them.
So I'd like to put the thread that will deal about all such setups in constuctive manner.
The quesctions/goals are:
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- Do we need them, is it WW2 game only or we able to represent other setups that will be brake from normal CT gameplay, or even to enter them as standard CT setups?
- What do we need to make such setups playable and most important enjoyable (sorry for my engligh ;) )
- Discuss certain setups to give good/bad points of each of them
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IMHO such setups are good and had place if they properly deveopled. I personally like them they give us some brake from normal CT.
I remember 1946 Second Wind liked it much - it gave me great apportunity to fly 163, 262 and CHog that I not have most of time due perk value. Also other setups give you interesting vision of the plane that you know or/and non standard situations that you do not have in normal CT gameplay.
Maybe some/lots of players will disagree with me about such setups - but I think it is worth to discuss it in cosntructive manner.
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IMO most important for such setups is not to do them experemental without relevant terrain/skins. These things has very important factors and give you more historical feeling.
The best exaple is 1946 Second Wind with IJ 262 and 163.
If in Soccer War the relevant terrain was used and all the snins were rebuild I think it was much more sucessefull. IMO
So... your vision ?
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Setups:
- 1946 Second Wind IMO it was good setup. Probably it had lack of game ballance for IJ but it was good brake from the air supriority of F4Us and other allies planes over N1Ks and Ki.s. I would like to see it on some pont but..... that is my opinion.
- 1948 Independence War I will not tell much I enjoyed - but it is my setup ;) so it is not relevant.
- The Soccer War Interesting - lack of terrain skins destroyed all the setup IMO. Would be nice to see it with terrain.
- Kadesh the setup was put using tunissia terrain and without skins, with limied Meteors....
Now we have terrain and the setup could be done with unlimited Meteors. I really like Jets vs Jets fights however I doubt if most of CT players know to fly them well and like to have a week of jet combats. It worth try but I'm not sure it will be sucessefull
- Korean War If we would have Korean Terrain and skins for Russian Planes it could be very nice. 262 Could be reskin as Meteor (but not sure that it will work well it should be limited). With good terrain I would like to see how is it to fight F4Us/P51s vs Las and Yaks. But it really needs terrain.
- The French Indo-China War that storch suggested. IMO it would be very interesting - however it needs terrain.
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I hope to continue the discussion in constructive manner.
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Personally I don't care for them but I have no opinion as to whether they should be run in the Ct or not. But then again I don't prefer many ww2 based setups be run either. But If folks fly them in good numbers and have fun then great. I do think with the amount plane substitutions its just silly to force a non- ww2 setup with a ww2 planeset.
I mean a 109 vrs. spit is a 109 vrs. spit no mattyer what you call it or what map its on.
YMMV.
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personally i don't care for them. the only one i really liked was the what if with russia vs the brits/us over japan. it gave a chance to see how the perked allied iron (temp, f4u-4 and spit14) could deal with la7's, yaks and the 262 (russian stolen lw tech).
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Don't like them, and never have. A Post WWII setup would be coo; if this was a post WWII sim, but it's not.
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Ditto what Lowe said. I don't care for them at all. New skins or terrains would make no difference in my dislike of post WW2 setups. Keep it WW2.
YMMV
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I also don't like post-WW2 setups and would be happy if I never saw one again. Prefer the CT to stay with historically based WW2 setups, to the point the planeset allows.
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I prefer WWII, but Israel '48 is the only non-WWII I have played and it was OK.
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One of the things I like about the CT is that, at a very basic level, and unlike the MA, it duplicates WWII. So count me in with the people who don't like the post-WWII or the never-land setups.
Having said that, I have to admit that I've had fun in all of them (except for the 1948 Arab-Israeli thing, and that wasn't the fault of the setup). I really don't mind running one every now and again. I oppose running them regularly, which is something that seems to be happening.
- oldman
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I dont like them. If I want to fight Spit vs Spit, I can go to the MA.
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It's a WWII sim with WWII planes sporting WWII paintscemes flown on terrains representing WWII-era theaters. Trying to make it something it is not will always be more of a compromise than I am willing to make.
I play Aces High because of a newfound interest in WWII aviation. I have absolutely no interest in faux, what-if, fantasy setups.
Splash1
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I don't care for them too much myself, but if the planesets can be filled and skinned, without subsitutions I really don't have a problem with them being run either. Nothing ruins the feeling of being there faster than filling out the planesets with subsitutions. I know if has to happen sometimes but it just kills it for me a lot of times.
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They sound great to me.
Not flown any myself, but the Independence war and Soccer war both look like they might be especially fun +)
SKurj
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Friends don't let Friends fly Jets....
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/269_1082919937_friends1.gif)
Just my opinion.
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LoL Stream, great screen shot
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Originally posted by storch
LoL Stream, great screen shot
That's just going down the taxi lane... can't get one up in the air... thank god for props...
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LOL, have to tell 262 is one of the easyest planes to fly (at least much better then lot of others).
Just need grab a speed and best figher in AH in your hands.
I personally enjoyed jet fights in Kadesh much. It was really different and interesting IMO.
However most of AH players do not like them............
Returning to the setups.
I think if setup has proper planes like 1948 Setup or others with relevant planeset for the period Soccer War it could be very interesting and playable - of cousre it should be historical.
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Originally posted by artik
LOL, have to tell 262 is one of the easyest planes to fly (at least much better then lot of others).
Have to agree with you there Artik, the 262 in AH is easy to fly. Hit the throttle and your gone. No worrying about flame outs or getting the jets to hot as you push the throttle forward. I just thought I would put in a funny picture up. Glad you and storch liked it... it happened to me many times.
Okay next, I am probably going to get big time flamed here but I have to say it. I have been flying the CT for almost 2 years now.. Oct 2005... For the most part I like all the set ups, they will never be set up perfectly in anyones eyes. Everyone will have an opinion on what should be what. When I came into the CT I was under the understanding that it was for historical set ups and I know there is no CT rule book to look at either. If you wanted "Fantasy" set ups that was something you did in the MA.
I am sure there are a lot of set ups that people want to do, but don't have the means to make or time to make a map for the CT. Usually we (325th) want to fly MTO, have to wait till it comes up or just go fly the MA or Squad Ops if they are avaible. I mean I would love to see the Sicily map come back into rotation, but I highly doubt that... I don't think many people like that map, so I don't see it making an appearence anytime soon. Would love to have something else other than the Lybia map for the MTO set up, don't get me wrong I love that planeset just wish we could use a different map for it, other than Greece. I don't want this to sound like a whine, that is not my intention here. If I could make a map that the CT could use, I would, but don't have the time or the know with all to do it. I know that things are at a stand still till AH2 comes out.
What I am trying to say is, there are so many other things to do other than fantasy set ups. Honestly Artik hope I would see more of the other set ups before Korea. I thought this Sim was built around the ww2 timeline? I just think there are other things we can bring in instead of the "Fantasy" set ups, although this is a sim and it is all "Fantasy".
I am sorry if this upsets anyone, I just wanted to get my 2 cents out.
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While it was a funny occurance ( in as much as it happens to me enuff) I was complimenting the screen shot as a humorous one, not that it was funny because it happened to you.
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WWII is what I'm interested in, the CT setups generally have some interest for me because they are generally based on some particular battle in that war. Novelty setups just don't cut it for me and I'll probably fly in the MA for those weeks.
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A lot of the map problems could be solved with a Terrain Editor that was just a weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bit more user fiendly. There are tons of maps I would make that we really need but the AHI TE seems to be impervious to my mental powers.
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Originally posted by storch
While it was a funny occurance ( in as much as it happens to me enuff) I was complimenting the screen shot as a humorous one, not that it was funny because it happened to you.
Don't take it as a Dig Storch... I was just explaining to Artik how hard it is to fly on the "other" sim... sorry just if you say it... seems like others cring...
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Actually I wouldn't talk too much about non-historical setups.
1948 has its planeset allmost without subsituation and all relevant fighters are historical.
Early Korean War also historical - yes we have lack of jets but still all early historical sets of prop planes vs prop planes could be done and they not "virtual" setups but historical
And others that could be implemented using current planeset.
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Originally posted by Grits
A lot of the map problems could be solved with a Terrain Editor that was just a weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bit more user fiendly. There are tons of maps I would make that we really need but the AHI TE seems to be impervious to my mental powers.
Hey! I've been told the TE is perfect .... if players just knew how to read the read me file. Well .... what I been told, at least.
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I like IL-2 also stream, and if I suck in here where it is a training wheels sim I shudder to think of how bad I am in IL-2.
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I don't care for them myself. 9 out of 10 times if they have a "Non-WWII setup" I would not bother to fly in the CT.
My two cents.