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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: paulieb on April 24, 2004, 07:25:56 PM
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Up until a few weeks ago, I rarely, if ever, flew the Corsair variants. I'd fly a Spit9, F6F, D-30 Jug, LA-7, or a G-10, some P-38s, but NEVER a Corsair. Lately, I've even flown the 190-D9 (with no success).
Then I discovered something; even the F4U-1 can be DEADLY with some alt under its wings to convert to speed. Lovely thing about that, as I discovered this afternoon, is that you can get 4 kills, get shot down and captured, and still have 5.48 perks with a multiplier of .98 . It has a TON of ammo, and a pretty long range, too.
A week or two ago, I set up shop over friendly HQ in a C-Hog and just waited for the raiders. It was like shooting ducks in a barrel.
I've even gotten to like the D-hog's Jabo capability. Don't have enough points yet to fly a -4, but I can hardly wait!
The moral is this, in my opinion: don't write off early war rides. They can be the most rewarding to fly.
Just my $.02 .
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some good info here with some tactics on the hogs as well as most other AC
http://www.netaces.org/ahmain/siteframe.html#title
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The Hog is not an early war ride.
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The Hog is not an early war ride
Well... The first F4U-1's were deliverd on 31 July 1942. So in comparison to many other fighters, I think we can say its an early bird...
Nice ride too...
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welcome to the wonderful world of CHOG! :D
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If you really want perks, take the P-40e up.
I can get one kill, get shot down and I'll have 8 perks in the bank.
I once got 20 for 2 kills and a landing.
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funny thing is that you dont seem to get that many perks with the P40E...
Fly the FM2... Its 4x50s are like 4x20mms and its an INSANE turn fighter... That is if you want perks and an ubber turn fghter... Tho the F4U-1 is a good turner... The FM2 will rip it to shreds in a turn fight.;)
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
If you really want perks, take the P-40e up.
I can get one kill, get shot down and I'll have 8 perks in the bank.
I once got 20 for 2 kills and a landing.
11 kills in a c202
56 points :)
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I don't know if any of you remember Feed, but he was perhaps the best Corsair pilot I ever knew. Was my mentor in the early days with Rraf and Taillight. He exclusively used only the F4U-1D (he absolutley hated the C-hog) among all those P-51s, 109s and La-7s and 190Ds, and still always came up something like within top 5 in the fighter pilot rank.
One thing I've learned from him(but rarely can practice ;) ) is, in a Hog, so much like the P-47, SA is everything. You may escape leisurely in a real-life environment fighting against slowpoke Zekes, but in a gaming environment of the MA, SA is really everything.
He won't resist a fight at co-alt. He'd courageously enter a fight even when disadvantaged to a certain amount. The basic mode of it all is sort of like the alt-monkeying cherry-picking, but he won't refuse fights even in other cases - but one thing he never forgot, was always to leave room to escape.
Now, that's not so hard for a bird like the La-7 or the Typhoon, but in a hog where level acceleration is near zilch and only acceleration can be attained from dive - and also in an environment where there are many planes that both out-turn and out-runs it.. it's not so easy to do!
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If you want success in a hog, I strongly recommend you receive tips from dedicated P-47 pilots. Probably they've got the most helpful advices to give out than anyone else(unless ofcourse you find a dedicated Hog driver - which, is not very common these days).
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in AH the hog is better then the jug in every single way but range (not the f4u-1) and firepower under 15k.
but you do fly them pretty much the same.
The nice thing about the f4u is that it's pretty fast on the deck (the jug can hardly loose a spit9) and turns MUCH better the the ponies. You can safly get into slow turning with most late war birds.
Bozon
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
If you really want perks, take the P-40e up.
I can get one kill, get shot down and I'll have 8 perks in the bank.
I once got 20 for 2 kills and a landing.
P40E is *not* a perk farmer. It has always had a crappy ENY of 35. Thats putting it on par with the P51B and 109A8. 109G6 has 40 for ENY.
2 kills for 20 points in a P40E at normal perk mult is impossible... even if they were 262s.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
If you want success in a hog, I strongly recommend you receive tips from dedicated P-47 pilots. Probably they've got the most helpful advices to give out than anyone else(unless ofcourse you find a dedicated Hog driver - which, is not very common these days).
Hey now...well we don't spend as much time in the MA now but VF-17 is still dedicated to preserving the traditions of flying the HAWG'S by god!!!!!
Anytime anyone needs help in a Corsair just drop us a note over at http://www.vf-17.org.
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"F4U-1 can be DEADLY with some alt under its wings "
Sopworth Pup is deadly with some alt under it's wings. Problem in the MA there's always someone that comes along higher then you. F4 is a nice ride and hopefully you'll stick with it and enjoy a bit more of a challange however the endless waves of faster late war planes will probably cause you to change.
Nice flying stuff that's more of a challange, what I prefer. But many don't stick with the early war rides as why bother flying anything when there are La7,190D, D Pony's etc.
...-Gixer
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The only reason I can think of NOT to use the F4U-1, is the views. Terrible! You absolutely cannot see behind you. Soooo, next choice: D-Hog. Too bad it doesn't have the range, but really, not bad.
I was able to catch a fleeing LA-7 with the F4U-1. Granted I had initially dove in from 10K, but even after I started bleeding speed I reeled in the LA-7 pretty quickly. One long burst at a wing root from 400yds, and BAM! No more Lala. Unfortunately, another Lala was setting me up from behind and got me on the climb out after I got his buddy. I never even saw him. Yes, I was trying to look back. Just couldn't see him.
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With devastating results :eek:
Here's a film of my 9 lanc kills in one sortie.
http://www.easyracers.com/temp/film478.zip
KBMAN is the F4U master.
g00b
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Originally posted by Kweassa
If you want success in a hog, I strongly recommend you receive tips from dedicated P-47 pilots. Probably they've got the most helpful advices to give out than anyone else(unless ofcourse you find a dedicated Hog driver - which, is not very common these days).
I never been very common at anytime :cool:
and I am in a Hog ( F4U-1D mainly) 90+% of the time.
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AGalland is probably the best on F4U-1D, because every time I see on that Chat bar, he usually landed kills with 10+ and that just seem crazy!
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A f4u-1 in a sector with 2 big dar bars, does great.
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F4u-1 is my favorite fighter.
OCT, I was serious when I said I got 20 perks for 2 kills and a landing. It was a while ago, nor do I care to argue with you how it happened.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
F4u-1 is my favorite fighter.
OCT, I was serious when I said I got 20 perks for 2 kills and a landing. It was a while ago, nor do I care to argue with you how it happened.
It's ok, you have nothing to argue with anyway :) Facts be facts
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Just stay aware of your situation and you will do well. One tour I decided to fly the Corsair alot. In the F4u1d I had 243 kills to 77 deaths, F4u1c I had 47 kills and 9 deaths, in the F4u1 I had 2 kills and 0 deaths. Tour 37 . Now I flew heavy alot, so alot of kills were gv's, but I also got kills of both gv's and planes on alot of sorties(I can't figure out how to get my score against other planes in a specific plane). The best thing about the Corsair is that it can be used in any situation, has long legs, and brings lots of ammo to the fight. It's not a turn on a dime and not stall spit5, but by flying it you will learn tactics and your awareness will increase, making you that much better in the planes you normally fly.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
(unless ofcourse you find a dedicated Hog driver - which, is not very common these days).
Indeed, but as we get more maps with CV ops, I'm hopeful we might see more Hogs.
I have flown the Hog more than anything else in the last few tours, and I love it. I flew the 1C quite a bit - great for meting out punishment to those 300' ju88 formations - but I'm changing in favour of the 1D. It seems to fly better than the 1C. Sixpence! I think I have you beaten on the stats. ;) But it's great to see you and other guys giving this bird a go instead of.... well, you know.
I agree the Hog is not a T&B stallfighter to be used against N1K/SpitV. It needs to be flown fast. Some folks might claim that it excels at exactly that. I'm still waiting to see the films...
In the MA I like to use stealth and tactics - that does not mean sitting on a 20K perch, but rather observing the opposition and then either waiting for them to make a mistake, or helping them to make it!
I've attached a .ZIP containing two films. In one I nobbled a couple of P51s in a 1C. They were both getting a bit over-zealous. After watching them for a while, I observed a pattern, and was able to position myself to kill both. Earlier, one had tried to rope me - he had a ton more E and no way was I going to climb that rope against a 51.
The other film shows how you can use your 1D to rack up some PP by popping PT boats in a 1D using rockets! Great fun. ;)
Hog films .ZIP (http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/hogging.zip)
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Originally posted by g00b
With devastating results :eek:
Here's a film of my 9 lanc kills in one sortie.
http://www.easyracers.com/temp/film478.zip
KBMAN is the F4U master.
g00b
ROFL Goob! :lol Nice film! I was laughing more than you guys were when I watched it! I loved the part about hitting the LANCs on the upslope - when the pilot goes to the tail gun, the formation runs into the ground. :lol
Flying Zoo? What time of day do you fly? What time zone? I'll be sure to look out for you. Who says there's no fun on the pizza map! :D
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I'm an average pilot at best. I fly Hellcat and an occasional 47. Thinking about trying the Hog. Hog I believe is a little faster.
Any other quirks, or tips to flying the Hog has that I should know about?
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Originally posted by Octavius
It's ok, you have nothing to argue with anyway :) Facts be facts
Was there when he did it. Have done it myself.
Facts is facts. :aok
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With a perk multiplier of 1.0, as I stated before, it is not possible. What was the perk multiplier for your country at the time of his landing?
probably 1.14 if it was two 262s or 234s (5 ENY) he shot down. Much higher if the enemies had a higher ENY.
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Originally posted by Kutt
I'm an average pilot at best. I fly Hellcat and an occasional 47. Thinking about trying the Hog. Hog I believe is a little faster.
Any other quirks, or tips to flying the Hog has that I should know about?
Well ... If you can fly and be decent in a Jug, then you should have no problem in the Hog. Like Beet1e said, you gotta keep it fast (same as a Jug). Its flaps are second to none, and can be very helpfull in both offensive and defensive modes.
It is NOT a T&B plane. If you get too slow, then you will either stall outright, or you will not be able to escape to try to get some speed back in your pocket to continue to turn. The Hog needs speed to turn effectively/aggresively.
I flew with the AoM last night and we (7 of us) all took the 1-D, 1 x 1000 and a DT. We attacked 1 base, once reinforcments arrived we flew cap between that base and the adjoining base just east of it. I believe that we scored about 40 kills between us all. When flown right, its a monster all dressed in blue.
Quirks ... ground loops when not landing on a CV.
What I do is come in nice and slow, 1 notch of flaps ... and ... do not hit the breaks until the tailwheel settles onto the runway.
Tailwheel will begin settle down on the runway just under 100 mph. Once that happens, I pull back on the stick to plant it even more firmly on the runway and then apply breaks. Shutting the engine off too will help eliminate the huge torque from the engine.
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Thanks Slapshot. It sounds a lot like the way I fly the Hellcat. Just seems that since I have come back everyone is in a fast plane these days. Been a little frustrating trying to run people down in the Kitty.
May be good to be able to fly a radial, that is painted blue, and still be able to run a few people down.
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Fast planes eh? Try the P40, Kutt :) For some reason I get a lot of people running away from me... I think I smell or something.
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Originally posted by Octavius
Fast planes eh? Try the P40, Kutt :) For some reason I get a lot of people running away from me... I think I smell or something.
So thats what I smelled last night in the valley ... wheew !!!
I mean, with all those fat folds, you got to have some cheesy stuff stored under there that has never seen the likes of water and soap.
Also, the modifications to the P-40 cockpit make the plane look ... well ... scarey !!!
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Back in my AW days I flew Ponys almost exclusively, and was able to beat Hogs only below 12K. Once fought one to a stalemate above 20K (we both used up all our ammo, and were shot to pieces).
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Quirks ... ground loops when not landing on a CV.
What I do is come in nice and slow, 1 notch of flaps ... and ... do not hit the breaks until the tailwheel settles onto the runway.
AH-HA...I'm not the only one to notice this.
...that is the solution I use too. Don't touch the brakes until tailwheel is firmly on the ground. Gently does it, even then.
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The trick to landing the Hog is the left and right brakes seperate.
I haven't looped on the ground since I've started doing it.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The trick to landing the Hog is the left and right brakes seperate.
I haven't looped on the ground since I've started doing it.
lol...I've never used the two brakes independently...in fact to do so I'd have to look up the keyboard command.:)
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C and V if you haven't changed them.
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Originally posted by Octavius
Fast planes eh? Try the P40, Kutt :) For some reason I get a lot of people running away from me... I think I smell or something.
Two problems with that Oct.
1. If I fly an inline, even an old inline, I would have to start carrying a purse around like the rest of em'.
2. It aint painted blue. I have a special waiver that allows me to fly 47's one weekend a month and two weeks out of the year.
I'm not saying I'm a better stick than the inline flyers. I freely admit my own suckage.
On a side note. Oct you may indeed smell, but don't let that stop you brother. If they can't accept you the way you are just shoot them.
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I am flat out impressed by the amount of discussion I started up here. Keep the tips coming!! I'm not a N00B, but I generally suck compared to.... well, just about anybody. Look up my stats (paulieb2)... you'll see!
I am of the opinion that the -1 is a better perk farmer than the -1D, but SA is absolutely critical. That's where my main problem lies, I think. Well, that and the -1's views make it impossible to see anything between 5 and 7 o'clock. I plan to stick with it except for squad nights.
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PaulieB make sure you have your views set up for the best sight picture. And, get used to rocking your wings (u should never be straight and level anyway).
The Hog is a wonderful ride, as long as you keep it fairly fast. get it under 200mph and it tends to wallow around a bit. at 225 mph it turns into a ballerina. It has a pretty good roll rate, almost as quick as the 190's at speed. This means a quick instantaneous turn rate. (It will not hold that rate of turn though).
It does not have long legs (IE it burns fuel pretty quickly), so keep an eye on the fuel. I will take 50% and a drop tank, and pickle the tank when I engage.
LaserSailor is bang on about landing the hog. Plan to touch down at no more than 100mph and tap the left and right brakes as soon as the tail wheel is planted. (3 point landings are preferable).
If you get caught low and slow, it will turn with a little coaxing. get a notch or two of flap down. (and even gear if you need too).
Be aware that it has very aggressive stall characteristics, and listen for the stall horn. You will learn to ride that horn alot.
Cheers,
RTR
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F4u1 has long legs -and where not as potent as the perked c, it does great in the dive in out fights that are so common in the MA.
I think the f4u1 might be the best kept secret in the ma- imo of course.
Landing is no problem if you don't want to hotpad. Just dont lower the gear.
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Gave the D variant a try last night. My K\D was hovering around 1 flying the Hellcat my first week back. Last night I ended up with about a 3 in K\D. Score doesn't mean much. I did notice kills coming easier in the Hog.
The MA seems to have speeded up since I left. Speed was always important, but I think the large numbers of planes has made the need for it greater.
Still always going to love the Hellcat, but I'm killing stuff in "Blue Iron" so life is good.
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Originally posted by slimm50
Back in my AW days I flew Ponys almost exclusively, and was able to beat Hogs only below 12K. Once fought one to a stalemate above 20K (we both used up all our ammo, and were shot to pieces).
Nothing beat the AW f4u at any alt.. It was the king of AW... Well, ok.. perhaps the p38... but my answer would depend on which one I was flying at the time..
The f4u in AH is a good ride too.. Slow on the get go, once at speed it is to be respected.. The f4u turns well.. It's roll is even better. Roll, 90%of the time, is as important as turning speed and the hog has a great roll rate.. Good guns and good ammo you have good firepower. Did i mention the hog rolls very well? haha
One more thing kids.. Lets not forget the antilocking brake system on the f4u.. you can drop the gear in an f4u at 400mph.. good for making them 'fly right by' ....
dude