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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Flyboy on April 25, 2004, 03:15:40 AM
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1 of the good things about festerMA is the fleets
i find myself fighting alot of navy battles and trying to sink Cvs which bring me to the point.
what advantage does the torpedo have vrs regular bombing?
its very hard to hit with it, you have to go LOW SLOW and CLOSE. and it doesnt seem to do more dammage then regular bombs.
so why should anyone use it?
I know that in real life torpedos where extremely effetive vrs. ships. HA doesnt seem to moddel that
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Originally posted by Flyboy
I know that in real life torpedos where extremely effetive vrs. ships. HA doesnt seem to moddel that
I think it depends if they are used effectively - see this excellent article by zxs which goes into great detail about setting up torpedo runs.... http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/feature/lento_ohjeet/ah_torpedoguide/ :)
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wow that is brilliant. thanks alot :)
allthough it does not answer my question.
which is more effective, a 500Kg torpedo or a 500Kg bomb?
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IF it hits, a torpedo will do more damage then an equal size bomb simply due to the fact that it hits below the water line (and water creates a much stronger concussion then air).
I've read somewhere the torpedos weren't very effective in WWII and most of the ship sinking from the air, were done by dive bombers.
Sorry, can't find the source.
in midway, the only good thing torpedo planes achived was to keep the defenders busy and low while the ships were sunk by dive bombers:
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/midway/mid-4.htm
Bozon
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How many cv's were sunk by airborne launched torpedoes in WW2? +)
Think it takes 3-4 torps to sink the CV in AH
SKurj
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British Navy lost I believe the Repulse (could be wrong on name) to a combination of torp & bombs.
IT was pretty much zigging & zagging, dodgeing bombs pretty well till a torp smacked it in the rear taking out 1 screw & locking the rudder full over.
With half speed gone & steaming in a predictable circle needless to say it didn't take long.
British Fairy Swordfish had torpedeos hit the Bismarck also. Again helping to bring about its destruction.
Hvy ships especially had armor plate up to 10 " thick down to the waterline, and on the decks. But a single torpedeo below the waterline could do some serious damage.
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Originally posted by bozon
IF it hits, a torpedo will do more damage then an equal size bomb simply due to the fact that it hits below the water line (and water creates a much stronger concussion then air).
thats in real life, does it apply to AH?
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In AH the best way to take out a carrier is divebombing... torpedo's are pretty useless.
Of course, the "best" way to divebomb is to dive a Lancaster into the CV deck.
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Wow Flossy - thanks for the link to the article! A very detailed write up!
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Excellent opportunity to educate yourselves people....
http://www.vectorsite.net/avsword.html#m3
The Bismark was sunk in a combination of aerial torpedo attacks and a naval pursuit.
Another example is the Taranto attack, the Italians barely managed to project any power out at sea after that attack by Swordfish torpedo bombers at the dead of night in their harbour.
The American torpedos were the only ones that didn't work :)
Towards the end of the war a better model was introduced that wroked better.
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Originally posted by ViFF
The American torpedos were the only ones that didn't work :)
Towards the end of the war a better model was introduced that wroked better.
Yeah, John Wayne fixed 'em ;) :D
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Originally posted by dtango
Wow Flossy - thanks for the link to the article! A very detailed write up!
Thank zxs, it's his article! :) I just bookmarked it when a link was posted a few weeks ago.
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Originally posted by Urchin
In AH the best way to take out a carrier is divebombing... torpedo's are pretty useless.
Of course, the "best" way to divebomb is to dive a Lancaster into the CV deck.
HAHA Urchin:D
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Japanese perfected the Torp run really well.
They just didn't drop them off of the plane... ;)
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japanese torpedos where very effective.
They where oxygendriven and could be setup at 3 ranges.
and 3 speeds (type 93).
50,40 and 32 knots running 22000, 35000 and 44000 yards.
thanks to the oxygen u didn't see em coming.
At the early stage of war the allies didn't know about em and when the sea battle at the java sea was running the allies thought they dealt with submarines .
But i'm talking about ship torpedos now
:)
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Originally posted by BlkKnit
Yeah, John Wayne fixed 'em ;) :D
"Operation Pacific" - the first submarine movie I can remember watching on late-night television. There was another late-night submarine film with Erroll Flynn I think but I can't remember much about it other than the ending scene of the sub steaming under the Golden Gate Bridge on its way to port.
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Do some bombs work better on a carrier then others?
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well, just tested it offline, it takes 5 500Kgs torpedos to sink a cv
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I dont think Torpeedees are very effective in the MA.
However, In events Torpedoes can be use very succefully with trained, disiplined flights of Torpedee planes. I was one of the COs in the Midway scenario a while back, Both sides learned that torpedoes can work will with the proper tactics.
In the MA it would take a very trained squad, with good escort and interceptors, to make a serious attack. In my opinion, a lone guy or two has a better chance with bombs.
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in ozkanzas you can have fun at pearl harbour if you are then m e.
My side were trying to capture it but a few of us guys were having fun sinking the battleships,although the guys capturing didnt find it so amusing
coming in low over the harbour heading tp a ship and drooping torps was fun
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in ozkanzas you can have fun at pearl harbour if you are then m e.
My side were trying to capture it but a few of us guys were having fun sinking the battleships,although the guys capturing didnt find it so amusing
coming in low over the harbour heading tp a ship and drooping torps was fun
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the problem with airborn torpedo attack is the launch paramaters: slow, low, close; you are a sitting duck for aa and cap fighters. A submarine, if positioned correctly, can launch a nice spread without being noticed (at first). Dive bombers can fly faster, higher, and dive down with pin point accuracy. The survival rate for torpedo runs was low. As pointed out earlier, the dive bomber achieved much greater success than the torpedo bomber. Not sure the overall tonnage sunk by dive bombers vs submarines...though again, the submarine could launch ordnance in areas unreachable by planes.
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Droping Torps in the MA is something I only ever do for the challenge of it. I know that I would have more success
We had some great success using Torpedos in the CAP event. One one run, we must have sank 6 DDs on 1 pass with Ju-88s, and in another instance I sank TWO CVs with a Ju-88 formation.
For the Japanese in Events, the Torpedo is about the only hope of equalising the ordanance in a CV battle.
I don't think I've ever taken out a CV with torps in the MA, but I still try every now and again, just because I find it fun.
-Sik
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Unless they changed something, I have sunk CV's a few times with 4 torps from a PT boat. I would have done it more but it got boring.
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AKAIK torpedo's do not cause more damage in AH than a bomb of equal size but I cannot comfirm this, I just have never heard anything to the contrary from HT et al.
To me torepdo runs were just more fun in AH. I wasn't about the results but trying to do somthing difficult and feeling really damned good about yourself if you succeeded. Was actually getting pretty good at eye balling the release point before HT went and took my beloved TBM away. ;)