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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gixer on April 25, 2004, 05:08:08 PM
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Even though I've always been heavily involved in bikes and bike racing I still use to enjoy watching the circus of F1 and following a season through to the end.
However once again for another year it seems to be just another procession of follow the leader. All credit to Ferrari and Schumacher as a team. But for spectators even with the rule changes and attempts to make the racing closer It seems as if this year is going to be another year of Ferrari dominance, with the only close racing between 5th and 6th even though they are a lap or more back from the lead..
Compared to the GP bikes where the lead changes every corner and you can throw a blanket over 10 riders at the finish. Or just about any other motorsport it really is starting to lose alot of interest.
...-Gixer
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I watched the first 10 laps then fast forwarded to the end. MS' double-block and ram on the first lap was ridiculous. Once again it's clear that there are two sets of rules in F1, one for MS, and one for the rest of the field.
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I haven't watched a full race in years.
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Originally posted by mora
I haven't watched a full race in years.
Me either. I still keep up with the news but haven't watched a race in a while.
Who would have thought that the pre-race ceremonies would be more interesting than the race itself?
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F1 is over at the first turn .. no passing .. boring. They need to make things more level and competitive for the rest of the field.
NASCAR has passing (overtaking for the F1 crowd) and close finishes. That's what I'm watching for....
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I'de watch the bikes before cars. I used to watch them years ago, the old malboro yamaha team was my favorite.
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Originally posted by skernsk
F1 is over at the first turn .. no passing .. boring. They need to make things more level and competitive for the rest of the field.
NASCAR has passing (overtaking for the F1 crowd) and close finishes. That's what I'm watching for....
I honestly cant understand the mentality of the NASCAR fan. I mean, sure its 'racing' (all jokes aside) but how can one be bored by a 90 minute race at Imola and stay tuned to watch hours and hours of left turns with the occassional wreck? :confused:
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Micheal is still in really good form. Whats up with the Williams. Bar Honda kicks *ss.
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53 lead changes, perhaps?
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Krashmacher!!!
:lol
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I watched the first 10 laps then fast forwarded to the end. MS' double-block and ram on the first lap was ridiculous. Once again it's clear that there are two sets of rules in F1, one for MS, and one for the rest of the field.
Schuey was defending his line/place.
I don't see Montoya being particulary upset that he slammed the door on Ralf and put him into the grass
Tronsky
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lol, again Schumi to fast for the rest, now blame him :D
One day he will retire and then we will have our 53 lead changes, maybe ;)
I hope that Schumi win all 17 Races this year! :aok
R
Gh0stFT
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This one was better than Bahrain. Best part of it was that there was some focus on Trullis girlfriend (think it was his)...she was HOT :aok
F1 needs worse brakes, more pit stops and a few more standard items for all teams to cut down the cost or running a competitive team. The new rules that are beeing discussed for the 2008 season and beyond looks good.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
This one was better than Bahrain. Best part of it was that there was some focus on Trullis girlfriend (think it was his)...she was HOT :aok
F1 needs worse brakes, more pit stops and a few more standard items for all teams to cut down the cost or running a competitive team. The new rules that are beeing discussed for the 2008 season and beyond looks good.
Maybe, for us spectators it would really be an improvement, bring in a touch of NASCAR, so to speak. OTOH it would seriously diminish the F1's appeal to car manufacturers since it would lose its image of a high-tech showcase...
Hope they'll come to an acceptable consensus
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I race amoebas down test tubes, and there are NO turns, and best of all 532x10^61 lead changes at the end of the race.
rivetting stuff.
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Thud.
I heard from the commentators yesterday that one of the things they have proposed for the 2008 --> season is that the engines all must be V8's. I have no idea why, but they said that it is alot cheaper to develope engines based on V8's rather than the engines they use now (v10's ?) but if it is cheaper, maybe more engine manufacturers like audi etc will be interested in developing engines for smaller teams like Sauber and Minardi.
Traction control will also go away, and when you think about the huge amount onf money "wasted" on these things that helps the drivers then i really think its a good idea that they go away.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
..... MS' double-block and ram on the first lap was ridiculous. Once again it's clear that there are two sets of rules in F1, one for MS, and one for the rest of the field.
Wasnt it the same with Dale Earnhardt the intimidator?
I am no Schumi fan because of a couple of really unfair actions. But such guys, fighting with a knife between their teeth really pepper it up.
I love GP1 most of all. Valentino forever!:)
Ecke
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Im firmly against dumbing it down at all. V8's... 'worse' brakes... other handicaps - **** that.
F1 is the showcase for the best manufactures and the best drivers in the world.
You want second best, go watch something else - dont dumb down the sport for the dumbed down fan - he has his 4 hour oval races with X number of lead changes determined by who can bump the other out of the way without crashing himself.
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Originally posted by Ecke-109-
Wasnt it the same with Dale Earnhardt the intimidator?
You can definitely argue that point, he did manage to "get away" with a lot of stuff but he also was penalized more often than not. He proved on more than one occaision why he was probably the best stock car driver ever.
What seperates F1 and NASCAR are the 2 basic philosophies;one puts the focus on technology, the other the driver. Both have elements that I love to watch but NASCAR is a better race to watch.
6 or 7 years ago Car & Driver wrote an article about the "how hard is it to turn left for 500 laps?". They sent Larry Webster (I think) down to a small 1/2 mile oval short-track and Jeff Burton met him there with a couple of then-Cup cars. After getting some pointers from Burton and taking a couple of familiarization laps the author then went on to race the car on the oval for quite a while. He wrote that the act of driving an oval was mentally much, much harder than you'd think as a casual fan. The mental aspect of making every lap as fast and as consistant was brutal. He walked away from it with a huge newly found respect for the NASCAR drivers. You have to remember this; NASCAR drivers are racing cars not even meant for racing i.e. highly modified tube-chassis cars that are based on production family cars. F1 on the other hand is the exact opposite.
I am with Saur on this one, don't change a thing. Let F1 be the showcase for technology. Remember, Scuderia Ferarri for a long time were the whipping boys of F1 until they got their program back to the glory days of old. Within the last decade McLaren-West were the dominant cars, look at them now.
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While playing on our little home network, i prefered playing Nascar. There was traffic all around the track. And action was almost everywhere. Except on highspeed ovals.
Playing F1 was much more frustrating. Lots of opportunities to leave the track because of missing the 'break point'. And most of the time i was racing far apart from the action. :)
Ecke
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F1 has gone from my least favorite racing series, to my favorite series in the last ten years. Even without passing, I find the international rivalries and the technical part of the sport interesting. Combined with the decline of CART racing, I'm becoming more and more of an F1 enthusiast each year.
I used to watch Nascar religiously back in the 1990's, but it's just too much of a time commitment. Too many races, and the races are far too long. I've got better things to do on a Sunday afternoon than sit in front of the tube for five hours.
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Another enjoyable F1 race. Schumacher takes the win with alot of wheel to wheel action at the begining. I suppose its better to risk at 60 mph then to bump at 190 mph. Too bad for Sato though. Ferrari can be beat, but can anybody beat Schumacher.
;)
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Yeah, Micheal is holding everybody down.
:lol
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I'm by far no Schumacher fan, but you have to respect the difference between his pace and consistency in the Ferrari and Barrichello's.
Rubins continues to live under the dilusion that he's Micheals equal but the fact is that Micheal in any other car is still a contender and Rubins in any other car is mediocre at best.
Add to that the fact that the Ferrari is as good a car as it is thanks to Schumacher's ability to work with the engineers.
I don't like him and his on-track tactics over the years have been very questionable, but he is no doubt a phenom the likes of which we will never see again.
Several years ago I heard Frank Deford extole Tiger Woods as the worlds greatest athlete because of how he completely dominated his sport day in and day out, and even when he wasn't coming in first, he was having a huge impact on every other player in a way that even Micheal Jordan didn't match in his heyday.
I would claim that the dominance of Schumacher not just on the track but in the development of the car and the physical ideal of a F1 driver is so complete that he has to be the greatest athlete on the planet.
This year the excitement will be in whether he pulls off a perfect season. Unless someone bumps him off the track, I'd say the odds are that he will win every race.
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Rubins in any other car is mediocre at best.
Perhaps, but Ruebens is the perfect teammate for Schumacher, because he's willing to be the enabler for Michael, and has been instrumental in helping Shumi win some of his championships.
Methinks Schumacher would've won at least one less championship if he would've had, say, Juan Pablo as his teammate.
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I like the technical aspect of F1 too, I mean what else can accelerate to 60mph and stop within 2.8 seconds. :D
I'm sure I'll get interested in F1 again once Kiwi Scott Dixon gets his F1 ride.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by banana
Methinks Schumacher would've won at least one less championship if he would've had, say, Juan Pablo as his teammate.
No doubt. Rubins is a great teammate for Micheal.
I'm not sure what that says about his driving legacy: he has the perfect personality to be used and abused by Michael and Ferrari.
That's why, so long as Michael is there no other really good driver (with an ego that comes along with ability) will replace Rubins. Fisichella, Alonso, and Trulli have all been pretty vocal about their desire to drive for Ferrari. But the fact is they all have too much ambition to get a ride as Michael's team mate.
That's another reason I don't care much for him or team Ferrari. But you still have to respect the resulting success.
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Id like to see Fisichella in a better team than Sauber....he is a great driver.
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I bet Jaque Villeneuve is ringing his hands a little now. He struggled for years developing that BAR Honda, only to see Button reap the benefits!
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I liked Villeneuve and Irvine...wont miss MS in the same way
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Originally posted by banana
I bet Jaque Villeneuve is ringing his hands a little now. He struggled for years developing that BAR Honda, only to see Button reap the benefits!
It's all about the rubber. Bad timing for JV.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
It's all about the rubber. Bad timing for JV.
I'm a major JV fan, but in this case I think team chemestry had a lot to do with it and JV's piss-poor attitude was dragging the whole team down. Shedding Jacques was the only way for that team to move forward.
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Yeah, but if they get Michelins one year earlier or he leaves one year later, he's on the podium all the time and all the attitude complaints magically vanish. IMHO team chemistry and other "intangibles" are usually a result of winning, no the other way around.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Yeah, but if they get Michelins one year earlier or he leaves one year later, he's on the podium all the time and all the attitude complaints magically vanish. IMHO team chemistry and other "intangibles" are usually a result of winning, no the other way around.
True in Bar's case, but you could say williams despite winning races in last season, was not a completely happy ship despite the successes.
Tronsky
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That's true. Listening to their voice comms at Indy made it pretty clear. :)