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Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: AKcurly on April 25, 2004, 06:32:04 PM
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2530091

Note the refusal to recuse himself on the Cheney case as well.

curly
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: Sixpence on April 25, 2004, 07:30:36 PM
"Hunting in the South is what a cocktail party is in Washington."

lol, now we know why when both parties get together all hell breaks lose, what a combination, hunting and cocktails, yeeehawww!

Last January, Scalia flew aboard Air Force Two with Cheney to hunt ducks in south Louisiana.

What did they do, suck them up in the turbines?
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: Yeager on April 25, 2004, 07:50:16 PM
jeepers curly your on a roll.  I chum it up to the elite class.  Our government has become so tied into wealth that only the wealthy can participate.  people get rediculous trying to label these bahviors to party affiliation.

its the government elite and chances are your not one of them.

Just look at kerry and all his wealth.  The guy is corrupt before he wakes up each morning.
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: storch on April 25, 2004, 08:33:18 PM
Is being wealthy a prerequisite to being corrupt?  It seems to me that the people most obscessed with money are the ones that "ain'ts gots none braw"  money is a tool and a medium of exchange.  nothing more and nothing less.  the most corrupt people I have ever dealt with are the ones trying to make money fast and in any way.  these are usually poor as well.  Let's not hold the financial success of anyone against them.  If we use money as measure of points scored then these guys are the heads of winning teams (their families).
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: AKcurly on April 25, 2004, 08:38:39 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
jeepers curly your on a roll.  I chum it up to the elite class.  Our government has become so tied into wealth that only the wealthy can participate.  people get rediculous trying to label these bahviors to party affiliation.

its the government elite and chances are your not one of them.

Just look at kerry and all his wealth.  The guy is corrupt before he wakes up each morning.


I agree, Yeager - Our government has become so tied into wealth that only the wealthy can participate.

Yeager, not that it matters, but I'm not pro kerry - I just don't want a president who's dumb as a sack full of hammers.  Hell Yeager, I'm probably more conservative than you are -- but being conservative doesn't mean you have to be dumb.

My grandparents came to Texas and then to Oklahoma in covered wagons (no kidding.)  They had many homilies which have been amazingly accurate for me over the years.

In Bushes case, the appropriate homily is "if you want to know about a man, look at the friends he chooses."  [By the way, this isn't true for females ... weird]

curly
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: Lizking on April 25, 2004, 08:53:34 PM
Our government has become so tied into wealth that only the wealthy can participate

This is not true, quite the reverse, in fact, although money does still count, at least now there is some transparency.
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: lasersailor184 on April 25, 2004, 10:40:34 PM
Err, I don't get it, are you protesting the duck hunting?
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: AdmRose on April 25, 2004, 11:06:36 PM
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Originally posted by Lizking
Our government has become so tied into wealth that only the wealthy can participate

This is not true, quite the reverse, in fact, although money does still count, at least now there is some transparency.


You keep believing that, you poor naive bastage.
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: Lizking on April 25, 2004, 11:26:24 PM
Tammany, Teapot Dome, and the fact that persons other than white male landowners are able to vote would be good places for you to begin your education.
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: GRUNHERZ on April 25, 2004, 11:44:14 PM
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Originally posted by AKcurly
I agree, Yeager - Our government has become so tied into wealth that only the wealthy can participate.
curly



BS BS  BS  BS  BS

My favorite example is Bill Clinton who grew up quite poor. Same with Colin Powell...  Arguably the 2 most popular politiciams in the USA...

So once again BS.  Go bark up another tree...
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: AKcurly on April 25, 2004, 11:46:14 PM
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Err, I don't get it, are you protesting the duck hunting?


You familiar with the phrase "Good old boy?"  It's natural to do favors for your friends.  Any jurist with a modicum of good sense would recuse himself from any case in which he is friends with the accused.

That a supreme court jurist is so out of touch, well, either he doesn't care or he's arrogant and thinks he untouchable, but I'm repeating myself.

How about this lasersailor.  Suppose you have a daughter and she's raped by a young man.  Would you object to her father being the judge?

In the Scalia/Cheney case, we're talking about something much more emotional (to that group) than a young womans virtue - we're talking big bucks and the keys to the throne room.

curly
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: Yeager on April 25, 2004, 11:50:03 PM
Whats the average cost to make a run for federal seat in congress?  the senate? The presidency?  Without tens of millions of dollars the average person living in america cannot hope to participate without the aid of wealthy people/corporations.
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: AKcurly on April 26, 2004, 12:02:23 AM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
BS BS  BS  BS  BS

My favorite example is Bill Clinton who grew up quite poor. Same with Colin Powell...  Arguably the 2 most popular politiciams in the USA...

So once again BS.  Go bark up another tree...


Grun, while Clinton isn't wealthy on the scale of Kerry's wife, he isn't poor (and hasn't been for years.)

Concerning Colin Powell, can you tell me the political office he ran for?  He holds no elective office nor (so far as I know) has ever held one.

curly
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: Lizking on April 26, 2004, 12:03:35 AM
Yeager, if you have enough of a message, enough of what it takes you do not have to be rich.
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: AdmRose on April 26, 2004, 12:05:44 AM
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Originally posted by Lizking
Yeager, if you have enough of a message, enough of what it takes you do not have to be rich.


Name one Federal politician who couldn't be described as "upper class"

...

I'm waiting...
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: GRUNHERZ on April 26, 2004, 01:52:45 AM
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Grun, while Clinton isn't wealthy on the scale of Kerry's wife, he isn't poor (and hasn't been for years.)

Concerning Colin Powell, can you tell me the political office he ran for?  He holds no elective office nor (so far as I know) has ever held one.

curly


Powell is a politican. If he wanted to run either party would be happy to have him.

Clinton was a poor white trash son of a drunk, he worked his way up in the world through education.

Another great example is the late Paul Wellstone who was only a teacher when he entered the senate...

But if you want to naively belive that only wealthy people or weathly families can get into politics then thats your choice..
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: GRUNHERZ on April 26, 2004, 01:56:25 AM
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Originally posted by AdmRose
Name one Federal politician who couldn't be described as "upper class"

...

I'm waiting...


Good point!!  I wont be satisfied till 1/2 the Senate is made up of homeless bums, struggling single mothers and lower class 7/11 night shift clerks..

Has it ever dawned on you that it takes a certain preseverance and  drive to get into high office and that ofen that same drive makes politicians succesful in other ventures, often their finances?

Oh no, its much easier to build up a vast conspiracy that keweps you out of the rightful power you deserve...
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: Thud on April 26, 2004, 04:43:11 AM
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Originally posted by Yeager
jeepers curly your on a roll.  I chum it up to the elite class.  Our government has become so tied into wealth that only the wealthy can participate.  people get rediculous trying to label these bahviors to party affiliation.

its the government elite and chances are your not one of them.

Just look at kerry and all his wealth.  The guy is corrupt before he wakes up each morning.


Lol, Bush introducing tax cuts that favored him considerably was discarded as quickly as possible by the board conservatives but the simple circumstance that Kerry (or his wife) is wealthy makes him corrupt.
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: straffo on April 26, 2004, 04:52:35 AM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Good point!!  I wont be satisfied till 1/2 the Senate is made up of homeless bums, struggling single mothers and lower class 7/11 night shift clerks..
 


Stupid post ,homeless etc ... are certainly more numerous than the Washington elite and so are MORE representative of the state of affair in America

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Has it ever dawned on you that it takes a certain preseverance and  drive to get into high office and that ofen that same drive makes politicians succesful in other ventures, often their finances?


You said it yourself : perseverance,not risk.

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Oh no, its much easier to build up a vast conspiracy that keweps you out of the rightful power you deserve...

yada yada yada ... :p
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: lasersailor184 on April 26, 2004, 06:48:28 AM
Lol Curly, most of the judges are pretty politically set.  Scalia won't wake up one day and think that the democratic side is the right one.


If they're all republicans at the hunting group, then politics won't come up.



Now, if they had invited one of the liberal judges, then you can call it into question.
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: lazs2 on April 26, 2004, 08:10:35 AM
nothing wrong with shotguns so far as I'm concerned.

lazs
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: Eagler on April 26, 2004, 08:13:59 AM
curly

how are moe and larry doing?
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: AKcurly on April 26, 2004, 08:18:45 AM
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Originally posted by lasersailor184

If they're all republicans at the hunting group, then politics won't come up.


Then you don't understand how politics works.  Politics is about shared interests, mutal advantages, common goals.  And when a powerful jurist snuggles up with the good old boys, any resemblance to a free and open society vanishes and we need to be concerned.

curly
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: lazs2 on April 26, 2004, 08:23:36 AM
well... if anti gunners are excluded then that has to be a good thing.

lazs
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: AKcurly on April 26, 2004, 08:50:36 AM
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Originally posted by Eagler
curly

how are moe and larry doing?


Well, Moe is in the main arena most nights and Larry (Nimitz) is sort of on a scavenger hunt for money (as near as I can tell.) :)

curly
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: GRUNHERZ on April 26, 2004, 09:21:16 AM
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Originally posted by straffo
Stupid post ,homeless etc ... are certainly more numerous than the Washington elite and so are MORE representative of the state of affair in America

 

You said it yourself : perseverance,not risk.


yada yada yada ... :p


Just because unmeployed homeless bums are representative of French population don't assume that it's the case n the USA...  

And here i thought yiu were sophiaticated worlly cosmopolitian european, instead ur really quite provintial in your views.. :)

However, going on the assumption that france boldly lets it government be run by homeless buns sure does explain a lot.. ;)
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: straffo on April 26, 2004, 11:41:10 AM
Sadly giving the trend you showed lately I don't know if it's a joke of not :(

To make my post clearer  :


I am provincial GRUN and I'm pretty proud of it :)

I know the values of the peasant how they work hard for a pretty low income and I share some of their view (but not the low income , I'm not mad :))
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: GRUNHERZ on April 26, 2004, 12:00:06 PM
My trend lately? Look at the the types opf posts i've had to respond to lately, people cheering at the deaths of US soldiers in iraq and elsewhere at the hands of "freedom fighters."

But yes it's a joke, hence the repeated use of smilies and ;). And no  I didnt take it as anti usa post. :)  <---- This means I'm not mad at you, ok? :) :)
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: Red Tail 444 on April 26, 2004, 12:31:22 PM
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Originally posted by AKcurly
You familiar with the phrase "Good old boy?" .
curly [/B]


Affirmative Action for wealthy white guys...:lol
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: MrCoffee on April 26, 2004, 02:38:54 PM
As usual more bull, lies, and propoganda from people who never even had the inclination to want to serve their country. All they do is mess everything up, they are their own worse enemies.

:lol
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: straffo on April 26, 2004, 03:39:55 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
My trend lately? Look at the the types opf posts i've had to respond to lately, people cheering at the deaths of US soldiers in iraq and elsewhere at the hands of "freedom fighters."

But yes it's a joke, hence the repeated use of smilies and ;). And no  I didnt take it as anti usa post. :)  <---- This means I'm not mad at you, ok? :) :)


uh ??  there was some internet-weirdness so because I don't remember seing any similies when reading first your reply.
I prefered taking it as a joke but without it was just a guess

I try to avoid those thread about death of US soldier in Iraq, a more than one year debate one the same subject is a bit to much for me ;)

I guess your feeling is similar to the one I had last year, time will cure this ... perhaps.
Title: What a scumbag!
Post by: GRUNHERZ on April 26, 2004, 03:46:40 PM
Odd. The internet is wierd. :)