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1971 VIDEO: KERRY ADMITS THROWING OWN MEDALS; CONTRADICTS CURRENT CLAIMS
In an interview published Friday in the LOS ANGELES TIMES, Dem presidential hopeful John Kerry claimed he "never ever implied" that he threw his own medals during a Hill protest in 1971 to appear as an antiwar hero.
But a new shock video shows John Kerry -- in his own voice -- saying he did!
ABC's GOOD MORNING AMERICA is set to rock the political world Monday morning with an airing of Kerry's specific 1971 boast, sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.
The video was made by a local news station in 1971.
It directly contradicts Kerry's own website headline: "RIGHTWING FICTION: John Kerry threw away his medals during a Vietnam war protest." http://blog.johnkerry.com/dbunker/archives/001343.html#001343
Kerry's campaign refused comment Sunday afternoon,
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OMG!!! Blasphemy!!
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just a few of the top of my head
Lets see,
The SUV is my “families” not mine
“I voted for it before I voted against it” support for troops
“I only voted to worn Saddam not attack him”
“ I am for gay unions not gay marriage”
“The deficit is to big” but put though his $200 B additional spending plan
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Originally posted by Sixpence
OMG!!! Blasphemy!!
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lol :lol (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/Investigation/kerry_vietnam_medals_040425.html)
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OMG!!
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What a Flip Flopper!
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I am taking odds-Kerry won't be the candidate. I'll take action up to 5 bucks, you pay me 10 to 1.
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Whatta Flop Flipper...
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That raises an interesting question, Torque...
Can a Flip Flop, Flip Flop?
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Can a Flip Flop, Flip Flop?
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Yep.
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Then does it cancell itself out and cease to exist? Or is it Flip Flop squared?
Like, if you multiply Flip Flop by Flip Flop, what do ya get?
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a complete circle?
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Like one of those infinity figure eight things? I'm think I'm starting to get it....
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Flip^2 + 2FlipFlop + Flop^2
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E=flipflop2
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Here's a crazy idea. Why don't you just not vote for him and call it a day. On second though, n/m, that'll never work!
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Aww SOB it's healthy for him to vent. Otherwise we're gonna find him up on top of some tower with a stack of Playboys and a high powered rifle. That or directing traffic in his pyjamas.
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That may be true, but you have to admit...either of those would be infinitely more entertaining for us.
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Originally posted by JBA
just a few of the top of my head
Lets see,
The SUV is my “families” not mine
“I voted for it before I voted against it” support for troops
“I only voted to worn Saddam not attack him”
“ I am for gay unions not gay marriage”
“The deficit is to big” but put though his $200 B additional spending plan
OMG you will have to choose between two evils!
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Flippy is at it again...this time is he cold-busted?
Discarded Decorations
Videotape Contradicts John Kerry’s Own Statements Over Vietnam Medals
By Brian Ross and Chris Vlasto
ABCNEWS.com
April 26— Contradicting his statements as a candidate for president, Sen. John Kerry claimed in a 1971 television interview that he threw away as many as nine of his combat medals to protest the war in Vietnam.
"I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine medals," Kerry said in an interview on a Washington, D.C., news program on WRC-TV called Viewpoints on Nov. 6, 1971, according to a tape obtained by ABCNEWS.
Throughout his presidential campaign, Kerry has denied that he threw away any of his medals during an anti-war protest in April 1971.
Calling it a "phony controversy" instigated by the Republican party, Kerry said on Good Morning America today that he has always accurately said what took place. "I threw my ribbons. I didn't have my medals. It is very simple."
He also said he — and the military — didn't make a distinction between medals and ribbons. "We threw away the symbols of what our country gave us for what we had gone through," he said.
And in an interview with ABCNEWS' Peter Jennings last December, he said it was a "myth."
But Kerry told a much different story on Viewpoints. Asked about the anti-war veterans who threw their medals away, Kerry said "they decided to give them back to their country."
Kerry was asked if he gave back the Bronze Star, Silver Star and three Purple Hearts he was awarded for combat duty as a Navy lieutenant in Vietnam. "Well, and above that, gave back the others," he said.
The statement directly contradicts Kerry's most recent claims on the disputed subject to the Los Angeles Times last Friday. "I never ever implied that I did it, " Kerry told the newspaper, responding to the question of whether he threw away his medals in protest.
"I'm proud of my medals. I always was proud of them," he told Jennings in December, adding that he had only thrown away his "ribbons" and the medals of two other veterans who could not attend the protest.
Flip Flop?
The disputed incident happened 33 years ago this past weekend, on April 23, 1971, when Kerry led the group Vietnam Veterans Against the War in a protest against the war they fought.
Many veterans were seen throwing their medals and ribbons over the fence in front of the U.S. Capitol. The Boston Globe and other newspapers reported that Kerry was among these veterans.
"In a real sense, this administration forced us to return our medals because beyond the perversion of the war, these leaders themselves denied us the integrity those symbols supposedly gave our lives," Kerry said the following day.
But in 1984, when he first ran for the U.S. Senate, Kerry revealed he still had his medals. According to a Boston Globe report on April 15, 1984, union officials had expressed uneasiness with Kerry's candidacy because he had thrown his medals away. Kerry acknowledged the medals he threw away were, in fact, another soldier's medals. He reportedly invited a union official home to personally inspect his Silver Star, Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, awarded for his combat duty as a Navy lieutenant.
In the 1971 Viewpoints interview, he made no mention of the ribbons or the medals belonging to another veteran.
And in 1988, Kerry again clarified his statement by saying he threw out ribbons he had been awarded for three combat wounds, but not his medals. "I was proud of my personal service and remain so," he told the National Journal.
Eight years later in 1996, Kerry said while he did throw out his ribbons, he didn't throw out his own medals because he "didn't have time to go home [to New York] and get them," he told The Boston Globe.
Kerry's campaign Web site says he "is proud of the work he did to end the war. The Nixon Administration made John Kerry one of its targets and Republicans have been smearing him ever since. John Kerry threw his ribbons and the medals of two veterans who could not attend the event, and said, 'I am not doing this for any violent reasons, but for peace and justice, and to try to make this country wake up once and for all
Hey, I threw my medals away but I still have a purple heart thanks to....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4724&item=2239674172&rd=1
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Nuances.
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(http://www.suebee.com/images/recipes/waffles.jpg)
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Originally posted by ra
Nuances.
True, but here's how I see it, as a non-military person.
If a person say.."I tossed my medals" I would honestly think they meant all their decorations.
If a person says I tossed my Ribbons, I would see that as not including the medals.
If a person said "I tossed my salad" I would be impressed at how limber they were.
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yes but he threw somone elses medals away befor he said the threw his own. That's the distinction here that makes it all right. Because we all know medals are infact ribbons wich are medals right?....right.
This man is brilliant at being on both sides of the isssue. He's even ashamed to call himself a libral.....unless he's speaking to librals. The people who support him are giving him a huge pass on this just because of thier hatred for bush.
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so your just going to joke about it when your guy gets caught in yet another lie?
Damn I'm starting to think that "Hate Bush" is a good platform.
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Kerry Kerry quite contrary :(
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Depends on your frame of reference. Is it an accelerated flip flop in which your flip flops?
Daniel
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Originally posted by Nash
Then does it cancell itself out and cease to exist? Or is it Flip Flop squared?
Only a flop flip can cancel out a flip flop.
Like, if you multiply Flip Flop by Flip Flop, what do ya get?
A flippety floppity.
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http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5.htm
Normaly I really don't have much respect for Charlse Gibson but he put Kerry's feet to the fire over the medal thing :) Wish I could have seen the look on Kerry's face while he was grasping at the straws.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
E=flipflop2
You forgot one bit of logic in this equation....
E=flipflop2=John F. Kerry :D
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or.. in a fistfight with another pajama clad opponent... curly.
lazs
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oops I forgot....it matters not that he threw away medals and later said he did just to deny it and then change the story completly
he was a war hero so they were his medals and he can change his story about whatever he wants
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leave mini-jfk alone
he's a "war hero" you know LOL
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(http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/kerry_wafflehouse.jpg)
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VOTE NO ON PRESIDENT!!!
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bumpity bump
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Originally posted by Udie
so your just going to joke about it when your guy gets caught in yet another lie?
Damn I'm starting to think that "Hate Bush" is a good platform.
My "Hate Bush" position has nothing to do w/Kerry. It has to do w/Bush. I don't believe I have made a single "support Kerry" post, although I have to wonder if he wouldn't be better - man, you cannot be worse than Bush.
Personally, I believe Kerry has all of the moral fortitude of a dead fish. Bush oth (as near as I can tell) is amoral.
Hey, let's all vote for what's his name. :)
curly
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you going to vote for Nader? :)
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Kerry should go back to his 70s hair cut! He could then identifie with the California surfur crowd!
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Flippity Flip..
This one needs to be read...
Nice to see someone whos not afraid to ask tough questions.
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Originally posted by Udie
you going to vote for Nader? :)
Tell me, how could anyone in good faith vote for a scumbag like Bush? How could anyone vote for Kerry's backbone?
So, yeah, at this moment in time, I'm either going to vote for Big Bird or Nader. I think Big Bird has a better chance of winning. :)
Or maybe, Bush will finally pizz me off so much that I will vote for Kerry simply in hopes of defeating Bush. Sigh, I'm afraid American politics has reached a new low.
Where's Warren G. Harding when you need him? :)
curly
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Originally posted by AKcurly
My "Hate Bush" position has nothing to do w/Kerry. It has to do w/Bush. I don't believe I have made a single "support Kerry" post, although I have to wonder if he wouldn't be better - man, you cannot be worse than Bush.
Personally, I believe Kerry has all of the moral fortitude of a dead fish. Bush oth (as near as I can tell) is amoral.
Hey, let's all vote for what's his name. :)
curly
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Me too, Curly...I'm voting for NADER!!!
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(http://www.cannedrevolution.com/propaganda/images/nobody-vote.jpg)
Because Nobody has your best interests at heart. ;)
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Originally posted by SOB
Here's a crazy idea. Why don't you just not vote for him and call it a day. On second though, n/m, that'll never work!
Whyn't ya post that during the 3+ yrs of antibushwhining we been subjected to?
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I bet if asked Kerry will reply that he didn't inhale. Wonder if he's Bill's long lost brother.
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Seriously this guy is ...amazing...
As reported by MSNBC Kerry said
it is a myth that he threw away his medals during a high-profile Vietnam War protest he had helped organize in Washington.
Ok, fair enough so far.
He has said he threw away his ribbons, contending they were often referred to as medals, and two medals given to him by other veterans.
Eh ok..."I didnt throw away my medals, I threw away my ribbons" ...fine...
“Back then ribbons, medals were absolutely interchangeable,” he told “Good Morning America” on ABC. “The U.S. Navy pamphlet calls them medals. We all referred to them as the symbols they were representing. Medals, ribbons ... countless veterans threw the ribbons back.”
Here is the part it becomes unbelievably blurry.
"It is a myth that I threw away my medals, I threw away my ribbons...but ribbons and medals were interchangeable..."
SO DID YOU THROW THEM AWAY OR NOT?
And if you threw them away, medal or ribbon, it was clearly a symbolic gesture...WHY ARE YOU PARADING THEM NOW?
That guy is worth less than a sack of elephant sperm.
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You guys seems to dig up crap about your politicals rather than defining what they are working for right now :)
Every human beeing have some dirt hiding somwhere, and if there is 1 single human that dont have it, they for sure dont run for a president/whatever in any country. Reason ? well they dont like the style and smell of it. So just get used to the harsh truth none either bush, or kerry is "clean".
Maybe you guys sooner or later start looking for what they stand for and fite for.
You all seems to bee looking for details that not exactly count much anymore. We all get older, we all done our mistakes and we (most of us) learn from it.
Bush got his mistakes and for sure Kerry got his too.
why not try to enlight the world about how their politic is going to be, all we hear is alcoholism, and couardness, womenstories etc...
It's a bit boring after all and it dont tell us from (for me) Europe nothing.
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Though I would prefer a different Republican in office, I'm quite satisfied with the job Bush is doing. After Clinton there is no way in hell I will ever give my vote to another Democrat, unless maybe Jesus runs, though I doubt the dems would ever nominate him.
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Actually, the going rate for elephant Sperm is quite high:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2002-05/31/content_417738.htm
Elephant dung, maybe?
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No, elephant sperm. If you want to argue that he is worth about as much as a sack of elephant sperm then by all means go ahead, my position is clear.
In fact, I'd rather pour a bag of elephant sperm over my own head than to see him elected pres...SIT DOWN Funked!
(I just KNOW that this gave SOB a woodey)
How the hell did you find that webpage btw? Wait...dont tell me...
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Originally posted by airguard
You guys seems to dig up crap about your politicals rather than defining what they are working for right now :)
Every human beeing have some dirt hiding somwhere, and if there is 1 single human that dont have it, they for sure dont run for a president/whatever in any country. Reason ? well they dont like the style and smell of it. So just get used to the harsh truth none either bush, or kerry is "clean".
Maybe you guys sooner or later start looking for what they stand for and fite for.
You all seems to bee looking for details that not exactly count much anymore. We all get older, we all done our mistakes and we (most of us) learn from it.
Bush got his mistakes and for sure Kerry got his too.
why not try to enlight the world about how their politic is going to be, all we hear is alcoholism, and couardness, womenstories etc...
It's a bit boring after all and dont tell us from (for me) Europe nothing.
What is Kerry's Platform? Oh, wait...Whatever way Bush did it, I would have done it the opposite way, unless I decide to do it the other way, which is the way I planned to until....
Funny how you suddenly want to move from character assasination to the issues when it does not suit you. Classic Liberal move.
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what is a character assasination?
Well liberal in your eyes, but im not in my country eyes.
Atleast I can still be able to say my meaning withouth beeing harrased in my country.
Are you guys paranoid? liberal/rep makes a good weight against eachothers do you want just one political opinion ?
I dont.
I somthimes dislike very much what my "liberals" says in norway but I dont hate them :)
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Seems when the president flip flops, he blames someone else for flip flopping.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2098177/
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Yeah, when will he give a straight answer (http://slate.msn.com/id/2098177/)
flipflop flipflop (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50163-2004Apr4.html)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Whyn't ya post that during the 3+ yrs of antibushwhining we been subjected to?
'Cause I was busy saying meaner stuff about some of the antibushwhiners.
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Originally posted by -dead-
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Because Nobody has your best interests at heart. ;) [/B]
How is that Hong Kong vote going?
"China's parliament Monday dashed Hong Kong people's hopes of directly electing their leaders in polls in 2007 and 2008, reinforcing Beijing's full control over democratic progress in the territory."
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Originally posted by Krusher
How is that Hong Kong vote going?
"China's parliament Monday dashed Hong Kong people's hopes of directly electing their leaders in polls in 2007 and 2008, reinforcing Beijing's full control over democratic progress in the territory."
Still sucks, but far better than under the Brits - we actually get to vote on something nowadays - however little, it's still a vast improvement on nothing.
Nobody has my best interests at heart out here, too and I fully intend to vote for him come election time. ;)
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Originally posted by Yeager
a complete circle?
In this case...a circle jerk.
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Originally posted by Nash
Aww SOB it's healthy for him to vent. Otherwise we're gonna find him up on top of some tower with a stack of Playboys and a high powered rifle. That or directing traffic in his pyjamas.
LMAO
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Originally posted by -dead-
Still sucks, but far better than under the Brits - we actually get to vote on something nowadays - however little, it's still a vast improvement on nothing.
Nobody has my best interests at heart out here, too and I fully intend to vote for him come election time. ;)
Better get used to the taste of Chinese Army boot rubber.... Wont be long now... :)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Better get used to the taste of Chinese Army boot rubber.... Wont be long now... :)
You're assuming they Brits treated the Hong Kong Chinese better....
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Better get used to the taste of Chinese Army boot rubber.... Wont be long now... :)
Well - I doubt it - but if they do take away some of the democracy they've given us so far - it'll be nothing we haven't tasted before: no different from the British Army boot rubber, I'm sure. Beats living in Iraq, though. Frankly, you can keep the US-style transition to democracy - it looks a lot less fun.
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Originally posted by AKIron
After Clinton there is no way in hell I will ever give my vote to another Democrat, unless maybe Jesus runs, though I doubt the dems would ever nominate him.
You really think the Republicans are going to nominate a long haired Jewish guy wearing sandals? He's even got a beard, for Chirssakes!
Get real, man...:lol
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Originally posted by Yeager
Can a Flip Flop, Flip Flop?
If a Flip Flop could Flip Flop Flip Flops
How many Flip Flops could a Flip Flop Flip Flop
If a Flip Flop could Flip Flop Flip Flops?
Or something like that. :D
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Jesus rules ? :confused: I guess
1000 years ago a guy called Odin ruled(in scandinavia) but they cut his head of and all his priests too cause somthing called cristianity showed up hehe.
Then the same guys(100-200 years later) cut the heads of 50% of the people in what we no call Israel, and ruled for about 150 years.
Then the muslims cut the head of the rest of the cristians left and they stayed out until 1900.
then the brits and french cut the heads of the muslims and had hell for awhile.
then in 1945-49. the world had a pain in the bellybutton and made the state Israel.
then from 49-.... and to now we all have the pain in the arse and it wont go away... I guess :D
Religion suck in my ears and eyes and if I go to hell for that I gladly do it :)
EDIT : freaking wrong post sorry
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Originally posted by AKIron
Though I would prefer a different Republican in office, I'm quite satisfied with the job Bush is doing. After Clinton there is no way in hell I will ever give my vote to another Democrat, unless maybe Jesus runs, though I doubt the dems would ever nominate him.
Concerning Bush, are you serious?
Concerning Democrats I thought you told me you always voted for the individual?
curly
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Concerning Bush, are you serious?
Concerning Democrats I thought you told me you always voted for the individual?
curly
That was before Clinton, now I'll consider anyone not democrat. I am satisfied with Bush for the most part.
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The issue most are missing is that what Kerry is really trying to imply is that the throwing away of those decorations (the proper word if you're not refering specifically to the medal or the ribbon) was an empty gesture, i.e. he really didn't mean it (though he was happy enough apparently to through someone elses medals away). Thus proving that he is as lacking in sincerety as his words and gestures.
BTW, for those not familier with military decorations, ribbons are worn on a day-to-day basis, to show what awards and decorations you've earned. The rows of ribbons you see on senior officers is sometimes call "fruit salad." The medal is the one given out at the awards ceremony (usually a medalion hanging from a ribbon), and is normally only worn with the mess-dress uniform (at least in the Air Force).
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Originally posted by AKIron
That was before Clinton, now I'll consider anyone not democrat. I am satisfied with Bush for the most part.
Concerning your Bush remark, well, that's a revelation.
curly
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Come on Curly, I've said here before that I don't especially like Bush but I think he is doing the right things. Lowered my taxes, big plus. Kickin' bellybutton in the middle east, another big plus. Thumbed his nose at the UN, what more could ya ask for?
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Originally posted by AKIron
Come on Curly, I've said here before that I don't especially like Bush but I think he is doing the right things. Lowered my taxes, big plus. Kickin' bellybutton in the middle east, another big plus. Thumbed his nose at the UN, what more could ya ask for?
I would like fiscal responsibility. We are spending approximately one billion bucks per day in Iraq. It is vintage Bush and Cheney to seize upon the idea of a tax reduction at the moment of greatly increased federal spending. Cheney said it: "Reagan proved the federal deficit doesn't matter."
Iraq will likely be a never ending quagmire. We should have concentrated all efforts in Afghanistan. We should have caught and executed bin Laden and buried him with pig corpses.
Concerning thumbing his nose at the UN. The UN can be frustrating. You get to stand shoulder to shoulder with petty tyrants (Idi Amin / et. al.)
But, world wars are to be avoided. World wars are started by morons like Cheney and Bush out of sheer arrogance and complete disregard of all rules of decency and common sense. World wars can be prevented or perhaps short-circuited into a border conflict by talking.
When ya stop talking, the next stage is shooting.
curly
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Curly, at some point, it must be realized in talking with a tyrant like Saddam that your are dealing with evil. Continuing to talk after realizing this becomes simple appeasement. Appeasement of evil is impossible; it only imboldens them. What is required then is direct action. A true leader will, however reluctantly, accept at some point that need for action, and will act. This is What President Bush did. That is leadership.
"This man was the elected leader of a free nation, one that was attacked without warning, its citizens killed in a cold and calculated way. In responding to that attack, a nation allied with the perpatrators was identified. The leader of that other nation was a maniacal tyrant, who's resume included genocide (of its own citizens as well as those of neighboring contries), starting wars of agreesion with its neighbors, and repressing despotically its own people. That tyrant routinely used torture and murder to supress dissent, and was intent on building an arsenal of terror weapons, in the hopes of dominating the region. Other nations had tried to reason with the tyrant, to appease his appetite for conquest. This only served to imbolden the tyrant further.
The elected leader of the free nation choose to act, to confront the evil and end once and for all the threat to peace and stability the tyrant represented. Who is this elected leader? Who was the Tyrant?"
1941 or 2001, a tyrant is a tyrant is a tyrant. Evil is evil. Ultimately, the choice will come down to appeasement or action. As for the price of rebuilding Iraq, it is probably small compared with the cost of the Marshal Plan. If in the end it results in the first truly democratic nation in the Middle East, a beacon of hope to the millions of down trodden citizens in the other nations of the region, than it will be worth every penny.
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Saddam is no closer to Hitler than Iraq is to Vietnam. Those warlords in Rwanda are far more evil and savage than Saddam ever was. We never considered Saddam evil until shortly before he invaded Kuwait. We knew Hitler was dangerous for years, but let him do as he pleased until he invaded Poland. even the brits were cool with his worldview until he came to dinner unannounced.