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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SkViper on December 28, 2000, 09:28:00 AM
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I am getting rather anxious about the fact that I am now paying for a program (as of 105) that has more bugs than a beta web browser.
On top of that, our newbie pilots are only paying $19.99?
Dale, I think it is time the price was lowered across the board.
Back in the Beta I asked you why I would consider paying so much and your reply was, "You just have to decide how much you love the game."
Well, now I can barely even play the game.
SkViper
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Well Viper, I can understand your frustration if there are other poeple paying less than you. But, I cannot blame Hitech at all for releasing 1.05 with a few bugs after the way we all begged for its release. The only way some of these bugs could have been found were trying it out on 200+ different configurations. Which a company the size of HTC just can't do without us. I have found a few bugs, but I am loving every minute of 1.05. And the HTC guys are hard at it trying to squash any bugs as quickly as they can.
I think $19 would be a good price for the game, but if we are all willing to pay 30 can you blame HTC for being a businesss?
Gunslayer
VMF-323 Death Rattlers
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And paying $89 for an OS full of bugs is ok?
Get out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat.
Looks like a $29.95 whine in disguise..
Eagler
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This is a very valid complaint. It is one of the most valid complaints that any Warbirds fanatic will resort to.
But then.. when was the last time any upgrades were done to that game?
If you want the game to improve, bugs will be introduced. It is the result of changing thousands of lines of code.
So.. two choices... [list=1]- No improvements ever again once the game is stable
- Accept that the bugs that occur are only a result of an ever improving game and will be dealt with as soon as possible.[/list=a]
AKDejaVu
[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 12-28-2000).]
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I'm paying my 29.95 indefinately, so long as they continue the improvement pace they have shown in getting 1.05 out. Bugs or no bugs.
If they become overly cautious and we're waiting a year per new feature, I'm gone.
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Fatty
Fat Drunk Bastards (http://fdb.50megs.com)
"If you have to ask, yes, you are whining."
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Stayin.
Thanks for the fun HTC.
Fury
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Yea, it has some bugs. No, they are not show-stoppers for me. Yes, HTC is addressing big ones quickly. It's not enough for me to lose faith in HTC and cancel.
[This message has been edited by Fury (edited 12-28-2000).]
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Its posts like these that start the flame wars. And it is not my intent to criticize either side. However, the man has a point, and a valid one at that. His options are simple: Uninstall and come back when the program has ben debugged a bit better or hang in there like many of us are doing.
One one hand, yea, it sucks that the game is dogged by so many annoying problems (refer to the Bug List). But the HTC CheerLeaders need not blast the guy out of the sky. This guy's $30 a month, and mine, are part of the reason you ALL have a place to play, etc etc
BUT, on the other side of the coin, HTC is cranking through the patches and making fixes as they are alerted to them. Those with short fuses (myself included) need to be patient. If you think you've been shortchanged, email or call HTC privately and negotiate with them...maybe they'll give you the month for free for your hassles, or maybe they'll say too bad. Who knows. But posts like this stir the pot in an audience that is already very emotional to anything people say.
If there is anything that has been revealed is that the beta testing surely needs some revamping. Some of these bugs are just so blatantly obvious, it smells like a real hurry up to get it out.
That's my opinion. I'm putting on my fireproof suit, so flame away (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Paul
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Hmm LePaul, I guess I missed where anyone blasted this guy out of the sky?
The first line of the original post and Eagle's comment were the only two that even came close to qualifying.
I do so like it when disagreeing is deemed "flaming". Makes me wonder if anyone really remembers what a good flame is anymore.
AKDejaVu
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I felt Eagler leaned in a bit hard, that's all. And I am certain others will too.
As to flaming, hey I've been reading/posting on the USENET since 1995, you're right...nothing beats a 100+ message thread telling you how full of crap you are (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Paul
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LePaul
SkViper had one line in his post about bugs, which is inherent in all software, and the rest of his post was about his $30. I got the feeling he was using the upgrade/patches to pitch his squeak about the pricing differences, that's all.
Eagler
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Beta????
You're kidding right?
To be honest, I think they need to raise their pricing at this pace. No where before have online flight enthusiast seen such a growth rate in a product, nor the attention given us by the developers.
I guess I don't understand how petty some of you get....PLEASE....if it makes you unhappy, the best thing to do is walk on down the road!
Nothing personal meant by that, I just can't believe that there is any issue regarding Aces High which warrants ranting and whining about.
Bye
Ice
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Shaddap and play !!!!!!
having beta fun ?? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I can't believe this thread!! Geez, if ya don't like it then don't buy it!! No one is holding a gun to your head!!
toad once said that we are lucky that HTC lets us play in their house and sandbox. For such a small fee too!!
There are so many choices for ya. WB, you can sail their PT boats,right? AW, you can command their ships, right? FAII you can fly that real accurate flight model,right? WWIIonline,well,at least you can take your complaining to their BBS. You can watch their videos too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Give those of us who are very pleased with the progress we see in this flight sim a break from your constant whining!!!!
It gets real old very fast!!!
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Having been here since the alpha days .25 or so, and the beta days as well as beta testing several other flight sims, I can honestly say that this is NOT beta code. There are a few bugs, that get squashed faster here than any other online game I've seen, but NONE of them are show stoppers that I have run into anyway.
My fps get's realy low near naval battles, but I'm sure HT has some optimizing that he can do to help us. Everybody remember when we first got smoke from destroyed buildings? They fixed it in like 2 or 3 days.
Take a break for a month and then come back to see if they have fixed it by then....
Udie
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You have a valid point on that, but only you can answer the question you pose. Our view is that much of the value of the product is in how we continue to develop it. If software development was a dogfight, then we'd be riding the hard edge of the stall all the time. Even though we may start to depart, we know we can recover fast and we'll get through our fights a lot faster than with a more conservative approach.
Did we rush this version? Yes, I think we rush every version. We put out the last patch to 1.04 about 2 1/2 months ago and now here we are. We'd be in 1.02 if we didn't rush. The question we have to look at is whether things are better. I know they're not for you right now, but I also know that a lot more people are having a lot more fun than they were a week ago. I think that's what it comes down to in the end.
We're going to have problems and not everyone will like every new version, that's a given. We'll do what we can as quickly as we can and hopefully that will be enough for everybody, but sometimes it isn't.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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The fun factor more than makes up for any bugs, and I'm sure they'll be squashed quickly.
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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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He made a public post on a public bbs. That opens himself up to any response gentle or otherwise.
If he makes his stand in public he has to be man enough to realize some will agree and some will flame him.
If he has a delicate nature, he should have emailed his concerns to HTC privately.
Regards,
Wab
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Well I guess they could just stop making these dramatic game changes and just milk the old system until it dies. Would that be ok? I hope not but it would make life easier for the crew at HTC
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There are a lot more people happy with how HTC is approaching their sim, I repeat,THEIR SIM!!! Constant whiners are a small noise, but like gnats are most of the time a nuisance!! Today is a last straw for me to tolerate these small minded individuals. I will no longer let their whining go unaddressed.
Once again I state, if ya don't like it, don't buy it. There is no gun to your head!!
You have no rights as this sim is not your creation. If ya really want to make a difference then create your sim and see how many come!!!
jr, that is what is going on in WB and Aw right now and AW has fewer and fewer players!!
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Originally posted by 1776:
There are a lot more people happy with how HTC is approaching their sim
Put me in that column...
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Hossa,
being here since early beta days + 1 fun faktor for me is to be part in a process.
Remember the times when we didn't have b26, or the b17 without guns, he,he.
Oh yeah, and how i missed the falling parts of dammaged planes & all these special effects (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Now we have a lot more things to play with than in beta days, don't we?
Hope HTC can keep up their speed in development for some time .
Stayin ? Sure (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
blitz out
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i gotta say that before 1.05 i was getting real bored with the MA and i was questioning paying so much (yes $29.99 is a lot to me thnx) for a game i was enjoying less and less.
But then came 1.05 and my old enjoyment has returned! PT boats TBM torpedo strikes and 2 new fighters thrown in to boot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As you all know I used to harp on about F4c's being out of place in MA but now in a pacific type arena they dont seem so bad.In fact the whole world seems suddenly a bit brighter lol
I would still appreciate a reduction in price as it would justify my expendature on AH even more for me ,after all its a form of entertainment just the same as any other game i can play online like counterstrike,halflife,SOF,MSFS,etc that entertain me for free after inital single payment for a game.
In effect each update must provide value for the amount of months you pay in between each version.If i took the $90 odd dollars ive payed to play 1.04 could i entertain myself as much? at the moment i think theres nothing i could get hours of this sort of challenge out of like AH so i pay $30 but when i hear others get it for $20 and even suggestions of some paying $10 I feel like im being conned.
I understand im agreeing to pay and ive got the choice whether to stay or go but that doesnt help much does it? Given the choice i want to pay the same as the lucky sod whos paying less.If you dont you gotta be crazy.
family/home bills come first for me ..i dont know about you guys.
As AH currently stands with this great new update Im happy to continue paying as its once again become a worthwhile entertainment.
after reading this: http://flightsim.thrustmaster.com/articles/read.php3?id=130 (http://flightsim.thrustmaster.com/articles/read.php3?id=130)
i think they are planning what i hope for so lets just wait a little longer and enjoy new stuff
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Haz, you need to ask the Queen for a tax reduction (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Viper....the price thingy (issue) still chaps my britches a bit also. Its like going into a grocery store, picking out your favorite loaf of bread, getting to the checkout stand only to find 3 people in front of you buying the same loaf for less. When you question the store manager he simply states "well, its simply a matter of whether or not you think the price you are paying is worth what you are getting."
Your reply might go something like this "Sir, I really like the bread (or at least I did until they put this new packaging on it) and would gladly pay your price, BUT, would you not think me a fool to ask you to come to my market and pay a higher price for the same product "select" others get for less ?? "
Not sure what the answer is to your dilema in this situation Viper. Have found you to be a very staunch supporter of Aces and what they have been trying to accomplish to date. In fact, I would not be paying and playing this game/sim if not for you. I cannot comment on 1.05 as I have NOT been able to get past the sign in screen to date. Computer locks up and I have to shut it down with the power switch as everything is locked out. I figure it is something with MY machine and NOT a change that came about with 1.05. I WON'T figure that way if I hit my 10th "scandisk" session after reconfiguring my machine for the 10th time. I am hoping "to date" my inability to get into the game online has simply been a timing factor. (i.e.-the server burping cuz EVERYONE is downloading the patches/updates, etc.).
But you certainly have my vote on "asking" for the folks at HiTech Creations to lower the price for "all"....and I do NOT think it is an unreasonable request.
An interesting thought just occured to me, I wonder what the response would be if the folks who are paying 19.99 (or 19.95, don't know what it is for sure)were suddenly "required" to pay the 29.95 ?
RAS
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RAS, DL the full install and install it over the top of the existing installation.
all your settings should, (they were for me) still be there, but check your keymaps..
Thats what it took for me to get it to run.
Intell 933, Asus CUSL2 MoBo, ProphetII GTS Pro, 256 meg 133 ram, SB Live Plat. 20gig ATA 100 HDD
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GreyBeard, Squadron Leader
Commander, "B" Flight, Aces High
Senior Staff Council
"The Skeleton Crew"
"Fly with Honor"[/i]
"Keepin' the Faith"
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"getting to the checkout stand only to find 3 people in front of you buying the same loaf for less. When you question the store manager he simply states "well, its simply a matter of whether or not you think the price you are paying is worth what you are getting."
Absolute roadkill. It's much more like twenty people standing in line to buy a $2 gallon of milk and the store manager comes over to one or two and says to one, you can have that gallon of milk for $1.50 if you fill out survey, and to the other that he can have it for $1.00 if he did likewise.
I think my break from these boards starts now. I love flying AH online but the exaggerated bulllovely whiney crap topics in these forumns is for the fediddleing birds.
-Westy
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I am not trying to degrade the topic or it's author, and many of you, that have an opinion here.
I used to like AOL version 2.5. I still use an old version of WIN95, because I resist change and my PII 266Mhz MMX system still runs OK.
I still get charged $22.00 a month for AOL, like it or not, and they do an auto update without my approval or input. Having flown and dealt with all of the AOL issues in 1996 and 1997....and Air Warrior connectivity, it seems to me that this is the first real issue that we have faced in AH since I began in the open beta. AOL has Version 6.0 out now, and the AIM is inop-I hear....guess it's still a Beta too.
In September of 1999 I downloaded the beta .033 version of AH. Back then, it was under 9 MB. This upgrade, 1.05, is that or greater. It's like a re-birth of AH. I'd like to see this played out and then have servers set up, like AW, for each arena, and then the load will be less significant, in time. Of course, that will cost more $$.
Salute to HTC for AH, and it's playability and your understanding to this point. I shall continue to support and promote AH in the future. Your customer support and sense of fair play is commendable. Keep up the fine work.
K-KEN
http://www.cutthroats.com/ (http://www.cutthroats.com/)
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Thanks for the idea Greybeard. I was under the impression that reloading the game (re-installing it) would tube my current settings, etc. Will give your idea a try.
Thanks again,
RAS
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Honestly, I have always liked ah. But now I can say I **really** love it. This 1.05 is awesome! It's the first time I can say I am really impressed and I'd pay much more to play it.
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Bugs? You call these bugs? Some of you don't know what real bugs are! As for whining, the indicator that you have gotten it right is when the number of pro and con whines are equal. When HTC, or any other mmp sim, stops getting whines they will know that they have lost their last customer.
grizzly
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I`ve been here since the beta days too.
I have paid since the first payable day too.
But lately, in fact the last 3 months I have not been playing AH at all.
And, yes I considered quitting my account, after all, why pay nearly 30 bucks a month on a game I never play anymore.
I only wanted to wait to check out 1.05 before I quitted.
Now 1.05 is here, and I have to say, I am really happy that I didn't quit, if I had done that, I would really regret that now.
AH has never been this good before, and now it is really fun to play, 1.05 was way better than I ever hoped for.
It was an unbelievable change to the game, or as I saw in another post, it ain't the same game anymore, and that is true.
Those few bugs there is, are getting squished promte by the HTC crew, so that ain't even an issue.
"I even considered quitting here and reopen my WB account, boy am I happy I just waited another day before I did it".
Now with 1.05 AH is anything WB ever was, and you can add 300% to that in fun and quality.
Pyro, are you sure you are riding Hitechcreations at stall speed, are you sure that you cant squish some 10% more power out of it ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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[This message has been edited by lasse (edited 12-29-2000).]
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Originally posted by Eagler:
And paying $89 for an OS full of bugs is ok?
Get out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat.
Looks like a $29.95 whine in disguise..
Eagler
Sorry, I don't have any bugs in my OS that I can see, and I have gotten over a year's use for less that $69.
This is not a whine in disguise.
SkViper
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Well, I guess I am on the minority side of the fence.
As it true of lots of things in my life.
I just get sick of paying out my bellybutton for toejam that breaks down under me.
But Americans and others seem to have a difference of oppinion from mine. The oppinion that seems to say if you say something is wrong, then you are wrong.
And to not like paying for something that doesn't give satisfaction is not acceptable either?
This mentality as a whole leads America to build cars, houses, software etc. that ain't worth a toejam and still pay out the bellybutton for it.
It's too bad that we have to rush so hard into everything and can't take an extra week to make sure it's going to work before it sells.
And Eagler; I started and ended with notes about game play. I have and will continue to support any price as long as it fits the game play. BUT 1.05 does not.
SkViper
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now you are slammin anything American built?
don't let the door hit u in the arse on the way out
cu
Eagler
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Well, skViper, up until that last rant you dispelled at us, I felt your complaint had a smidgen of credibility.
Perhaps you can pitch in with Alec Baldwin and Cher...they vowed to move to France if George Bush won the election. So, if you also dislike the good ole USA so much, pack it up. I take offense to what you wrote, as someone that works in the software industry...and as someone who owns an American car that works fine (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
How's your foot taste? Good? Its pretty deep into your mouth, I'd say.
Paul
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Westy you need calm down mate.I was trying to let htc know my feelings about the pricing business. This is peoples opinions not, as you put it "the exaggerated bulllovely whiney crap".
its posts like yours that makes people get angry.skyviper and others are voicing concerns which is the whole point of bulletin boards...you know discuss things?
get replies etc?
if like you say you think this is whineing well dont bother reading them.My post was aimed at the HTC crew and i tried to let them know without losing sight of the fact that i love the game,your opinion isnt important to me personally same as mine isnt to you.You calling me and others roadkillting whiners makes me quite angry.I pay the same as you...oh hold on maybe i dont (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (that was a joke)
calling anyone who asks questions whiners and roadkillters etc is childish and plain dumb and to be honest im getting sick of seeing this sort of retort.
I gather you think the price is fine as it is and i suspect you have played WB or similar in the past so you consider this game very much cheaper? I however have never payed more than £30-35 for a game so when i pay $29.99 every month (£21.74) I consider it an expensive vice for me.Am i whineing? or simply letting HTC know how i see it from my perspective?
In fact this is a form of survey that htc dont need to offer discounts for right?
hazed
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Are more people playing more often now that 1.05 is out?
It seems so.
I wonder why?
Maybe they are having more fun in spite of a few bugs.
eskimo
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Viper,
Read up a little on HTC. Read up a little bit on how much 2 T1 lines cost. Read up on how much it costs to lease office space in the Dallas-FW area. Do a little math. The price of the game is there for a reason.
Now, its entirely up to you to decide if this game merrits your $29.95 a month. If it doesn't, don't pay/play. If it does.. then by all means stay and play. Nobody will argue with that decision.
However, when you come in here and insult the product and then demand they lower the price.. you are going to get feedback. You see, that is displaying a bad attitude. As much as you might like to believe it is the rest of us Americans that are wrong... it may be time to look in a mirror.
AKDejaVu
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premium price for a premium product!
I think fatty but it on prospective; People dont mind paying 30 bucks a month as long as the product is being developed.
I am with fatty, If HT went cold and did nothing but watch the money come in then people would walk.
As for the bugs: good grief, just be glad your here and HT lets us play through them.
LaVa VMF-111
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Originally posted by LePaul:
So, if you also dislike the good ole USA so much, pack it up. I take offense to what you wrote, as someone that works in the software industry...and as someone who owns an American car that works fine (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
How's your foot taste? Good? Its pretty deep into your mouth, I'd say.
Paul
Actually, My foot is firmly on the ground, and my comments about the USA are referring to the fact that we are no longer the "Good Ole" part of your statement!
I work in the US Automotive industry and I hope you survive in your Auto if you get into a crash.
Do you realize how many of the parts on any 1 car are out of spec?
Do you realize how many of these specs that are out of tolerance are safety features that your life depends on?
Well, I do! I am currently unemployed because I would not let a GM factory use parts that were out of spec.
Why would I do this? Because in the "Good Ole USA," we look out for each other and I try to make sure that what you drive is safe and reliable.
Prior to getting into the Auto Industry, I worked in Electronics manufacturing. There was an incident in which "Black Oxide," a copper corrosion, was showing up on several Mother Boards for a Name Brand computer. Of 2,000,000 board produced we had nearly 10,000 returns. People lost their bellybutton using these computers that fail on them at critical points. Did anyone do anything about it? Hell yes, they fired me for asking them to fix it. Better to let you the consumer eat the cost than to give you something that works.
Trust me, my loyalty to America is not dead!
I served my country as a member of the U.S. Navy, and continue to try to do so in my public life.
I have supported HTC since the begining and even brought them customers.
All I am asking for is a little return fairness.
If you don't like my opinion, so be it. But I think I have a right.
SkViper
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Hmmmm... I've never been fired from a job. I've never allowed something out of spec for one second where I work. Curious.
Despite the fact that I am only a relatively uneducated (Only 2 years of college) soul amoungst a horde of PhDs... I am the one the contractors rely on to get things done right. It is because they know exactly what to expect when working with me. I rely on people to be professional and accept that some know more about their job than I know about their job. I rely on that expertise on a daily basis. I thank them for bringing that expertise to the job. I notice the days they forget to bring it and I talk with them about it... asking them not to let it happen again... always in private. I don't belittle anyone that works for me in public. I don't berate their work to anyone.
I work with other people that are in a constant battle with the union employees/contractors. They spend all day telling me what a bunch of good-for-nothing lazy group of uneducated so-and-sos they are... that's why their projects are always late. Makes me wonder why mine are always on time.
When I see something unsafe going on, I present it in a manner that gets resolution. I ask the right people questions in order to get the correct answers. I present the findings to the right people in a manner that enables their decision making process to be quite simple. I've never had a problem. I've never been fired.
I can't help but think that in your situation... it isn't the rest of the world that is at fault.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I can't help but think that in your situation... it isn't the rest of the world that is at fault.
AKDejaVu
Thanks for the vote of confidence <sarcastic eye>, but you obviously don't manage a Firestone factory where people were fired for trying to tell their supervisors just such a thing.
If you can get your employees and your bosses to work in a NON-Firestone fasion, then I thank you and wish you the best.
In the mean while, the rest of the world is not as understanding as you and they do fire people because they ask that things be done right.
Sorry to have bothered anyone, I will shut the hell up and hope that someone will still fly with me in AH.
SkViper
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Ok viper.. I see how it is. You have to use other people's situation to justify yours? Yours didn't necessarily pertain.. now did it? Or were those on-board computers you were reffering to some part of the Firestone situation?
Resorting to an extreme to prove your point doesn't really prove your point.
AKDejaVu
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They told us they were keeping the arena simple, to keep the FR up around the boats. Then they told us we would need a few more megs of video card. It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where this was going. They will fix it they always do.
As the proud owner of a free,8 player, H2H game (and this is the real deal. Not a dumbed down version) I find posts implying that HTC is greedy, absurd. They are not cutting out the poor guy that, for what ever reason, doesn't have the bread. He gets to play too. and that's with a free DL. Name me another sim that does that.
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SkViper
If you were fired from the two firms for the reasons you stated, you'll be rich enough to create your own flight sim once the lawyers get done with them.
Don't forget us suffering though this one when you do (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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And SkViper you obviously don't have 2% of the deaths on firestone tires in your family like I do.
HiTech
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*ding* Another round to hitech.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
And to think - this crusty, bug filled beta now has more players then I've ever seen, and keeps me up even later then it did in the first place!
No offense to anyone in this flame, of course, because I like all the pilots involved.
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And SkViper you obviously don't have 2% of the deaths on firestone tires in your family like I do.
HiTech
I wondered about this, but didn't really feel it was any of my buisness.
Its sad when the mythical events you see on the news actually hit people you care about.
I'm sorry for your loss... and I'm sorry that anyone might trivialize it.
AKDejaVu
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Folks,
I am not a paying subscriber to AH. I can't afford it. I am not asking for charity for any of you that will jump on that band-wagon. That stops right here!! One must accept that there are things one cannot afford. To me $360.00 a year is a lot of money. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I would like to ask that the pricing be leveled for all, be it $30, $20, or $89. If you are all getting the same level of service and the opportunity to play the same game would it not behoove HTC to level the pricing field as well to keep issue like this from arising? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif)
I think that is what is really at the heart of SkyVipers concern. It is not that the game is overly buggy, it is not the fact that he doesn't like the price he is paying. His issue is equitable pricing across the board.
I current fly AW (which I can afford) but would like to move to AH. I am impressed with the HTC folks in their support of the game. I have never seen an AW staffer online asking if everything was okay and taking real time bug reports and fixing them, practically overnight. I know Air Warrior could use a lot of this wisdom in regards to the support of their game.
I can't help but feel as I look at some of the posts here that some (not all!!) the people flaming Viper are paying a very nice price for the game.
You may not think that I am justified in making this post (as I am not a paying member but would love to be), but as folks have stated, ever so reverently, in this thread, we should all be heard for when HTC stops hearing us the game is done.
Salute All!! Now fire away !!
RLKS
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Reckless54
Don't look at it as $360 annually. Look at is as $20 more a month you are currently paying. (I think AW is $9.95, not sure). That's $.67 a day more than you are paying now. Less than a buck.
I probably average at least 1.5 hours a day on the game. That's around 45 hours a month. When I divide the $29.95 fee by those hours, I figure it's costing me approx $.66 an hour to entertain myself with AH. Compared to a $7 - 90 minute movie (minus the coke and popcorn) at $4.60 an hour.
Sorry, I just can't beat it.
You get what you pay for..
As I stated earlier, SkViper's whine was a $$ whine all along, not a bug whine. But to come out so early after a new release and try to pass it off as a bug whine, was disrespectful to the entire AH crew who busts their humps to provide such a fine product.
Hope to see you in MA
Eagler
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EAGLER,
I am sorry, but I have to think in terms of reality. I currently pay, you're correct, $9.95/mo for AW which equates to $120.00 per year less 60 cents. I have to think in terms that if I drop AW it will still be an additional $240 per year.
For me that is expensive, and given the time I would be able to commit to the game is, in a word, prohibitive.
I truly and seriously enjoyed my two weeks!! But, I regret at the current price I will be unable to participate.
As for Viper, I cannot speak for him. I saw what I saw in his post. Sometimes we need to look beyond the surface of what someone has typed and read objectively to find what is truly bothering someone.
Yes you can say "Don't like it don't buy it." But, that doesn't do anything to solve the underlying issue, which I saw as disparaging prices.
I think RAS pointed to this as well. Although, I would probably tell the grocer to go &%$#@ himself and buy my bread at 7/11.
We, or you, do not have that luxury. This is one of the best sims I've seen in my almost four years of flying sims, well AW anyway. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) It has the most interactive support I've seen (very refreshing).
Is it worth $30 per month?? It probably is, only HTC can answer that correctly.
Should everyone pay the same price for the same service?? Well, this is not a Socialist (yet) or Communist State. So again, only HTC can answer. I think, in fairness, if everone is receiving the same service they should pay the same prices, whatever that may be.
Thanks for listening (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (reading actually) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Reackless54, the $30/mo is just a small part of the cost of flying AH. You have to consider the cost of your isp and the cost of upgrading your computer to get the max enjoyment. If you can't afford it now at least you may in the future when times get flush, money wise (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I still don't understand why ppl get so bent outa shape regarding the pricing of AH. Either you pay to play in the MA and scenarios or you settle for the free HTH. It's not like paying to play or having no access to this sim at all. BTW AW is all but dead, Our squad left AW about a month ago and many others have left too. Unfortunately, the squad went to WB (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) I didn't (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hope to see ya in the future when things get better, and they always do, ya know (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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1776,
As a 35 year old male with almost 17 years in the service I more than understand what is involved with flying in Aces High, to include all of the peripheral costs associated with it.
Yes, it is a choice I am making not to play until a resolution to this particular issue has been reached.
My statement, however misleading it may have been, was not to point out my misfortune of not being able to play. Rather, it was intended to bring attention back to the fact that there are apparent differences in the price people pay for the same service, that is all.
I humbly apologize for including my own situation in the post as it seems to have gotten people away from the issue at hand.
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