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Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 27, 2004, 03:16:33 PM: Hmm

I'm not sure that i like spending my tax money on making the export version of the JSF less stealthy than the US version. I say go for the Eurofighter since one of the main reasons that I would prefer the JSF over Eurofighter is stealth.

http://www.janes.com/defence/air_forces/news/idr/idr040416_1_n.shtml
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Replicant on April 27, 2004, 03:42:19 PM: The United Kingdom are purchasing both the Eurofighter and the JSF. UK have just started production of airframe components for the JSF. I think it will depend on which version of the JSF will determine how stealthy it is.

The Eurofighter will enter frontline service in the UK in 2005 (currently in service with 17 Sqn Operational Evaluation Unit and later this year 29 Sqn Operational Conversion Unit). In other words it's ready, although the second tranche of aircraft will not be available until around 2010. The JSF on the other hand will not be ready until when, 2013 - 2015? In the UK it'll replace the Harrier GR9.
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 27, 2004, 03:48:09 PM: I wonder if all JSF "partner" countries that help pay for the development of the JSF knows that alot of those funds go to making their JSF's perform worse.
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: GtoRA2 on April 27, 2004, 05:22:25 PM: Bah!!
Buy American, you know all the Europlanes are made from left over B-24 scraps and bud cans!!

:D
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2004, 02:20:29 AM: The Gripen looks like a very good plane GS. It's range is way too short tho, and that is the main thing that ruinedt its chanses in th ecompetition. I would suggest that we drop the JSF and bring in Rafale to compete with the Eurofighter. They both have some very good things going for them...twin engines, good payload and range.
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: -tronski- on April 28, 2004, 02:35:14 AM: Our defence department chiefs just went before a govt. enquiry into why we signed up to the JSF program, and they said the only real difference between a JSF and F-22 is the price!

Bahhh...imbeciles

Tronsky
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2004, 02:42:39 AM: LOL Tronski :D
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2004, 06:57:02 AM: LOL GS... snakk om sola...

In an article today the norwegian defence department is very unhappy with the JSF project and is considering the swedish JAS instead now

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/innenriks/3734015.html
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: lada on April 28, 2004, 10:38:03 AM: last year we got 3 offers.

1. American... Buy F-16
(revision of those F16 were about 7 versions lower that lowest whitch fly under US flag.

2. Buy new Gripen

3. Rent Gripen and buy them later.

well

dont ask me why does state with 10 mil. people need fighters, i realy belive that 2x S-300 will cover whole our airspace.

but finaly most of our brainwashed senators, whitch has been for that old piece US`s crap (how else shall i call *brand new* F-16 whitch have so old devices that they are not allowed to fly in US)
had vacation and we rented Gripens.

So we have about 10 fighters right now and we are so SAFE!

:D

anyway i would vote for 4x S-300 instead of all those useless fighters.
If they realy need them for defending.
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2004, 10:41:21 AM: where are you from lada?
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: lada on April 28, 2004, 10:42:45 AM: im fron country, whitch has been patroled by 3 Mig21s for past 10 years and we had no problems so far :D

edit.: and do not underestimate mig 21 please :D
http://www.military.cz/russia/air/mig/Mig_21/images/mig21_start.jpg
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2004, 10:47:58 AM: Yeah i should have guessed when you mentioned Gripen..

Czech Republic :)

"In August 2002 the Czech government announced that after paying bills to recover from the devastating summer floods, it would no longer be able to afford to buy 24 Jas-39 Gripen fighters from BAE Systems/Saab at a cost of about $2 billion. The Czech Republic's fleet of MiG-21s will reach the end of its service lifespan in 2004"

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/gripen.htm
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2004, 10:50:46 AM: the two seater is purdy :)

(http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/jas6.jpg)
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2004, 11:31:54 AM: Because that is what i read when i saw the report from the air force guys after the last round of testing before they decided to go ahead with eurofighter and jsf for the final round. the report is somewhere on http://www.mil.no

maybe it has more fuel than the f16 but they were comparing it with jsf and eurofighter.
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2004, 11:41:41 AM: lol yeah..

im a navy guy myself so im not 100% into airforce stuff... the closest i get is "shooting" planes down with mistral/37mm and playing AH :D

is the gripen that cheap compared to the euro??? ...must be powered by linux and amd then, no win/intel in that plane :eek:
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2004, 12:01:16 PM: I know that gripen like the viggen can use roads as airstrips, but do yo know exactly the lenght of rw it needs?
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2004, 01:09:56 PM: 70 mb...np :cool:

dl now
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: lada on April 28, 2004, 01:13:51 PM: baaaaa i love those pictures, when Gripen land on 2nd class road, its way coool :D

anyway

hows doing french Mirage ?
Do they have something new ?
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: lada on April 28, 2004, 01:18:01 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Nilsen

is the gripen that cheap compared to the euro??? ...must be powered by linux and amd then, no win/intel in that plane :eek:

well.... trying to imagine blue dead on hud in enmy airspace LOL
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2004, 01:18:57 PM: Yup lada :)

Mirage 2000-5
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mirage/index.html

and Rafale
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/rafale/index.html
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: GRUNHERZ on April 28, 2004, 01:28:07 PM: Crappy europlanes... You just cant afford real hardware like the F22... :eek: ;)
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Ripsnort on April 28, 2004, 01:31:37 PM: Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Crappy europlanes... You just cant afford real *expensive* hardware like the F22... :eek: ;)
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: GRUNHERZ on April 28, 2004, 01:40:14 PM: I gotta be honest though that Grippen does look like an excellent sport plane...
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2004, 02:04:18 PM: *yawn* :p
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: GRUNHERZ on April 28, 2004, 02:28:21 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Nilsen
*yawn* :p

I wouldn't say "yawn" about the Grippen, looks like lots of fun. Would be fun light civilan sport airplane in the USA... The Swedes/Brits really should try to sell it like that in the USA... :)
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2004, 02:31:06 PM: looks like it GS :p
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: GRUNHERZ on April 28, 2004, 02:38:22 PM: (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/9733940.jpg)

Everything else is crap! ;)
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2004, 02:53:27 PM: GS, just ignore and "it" will go away :D
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: lada on April 28, 2004, 03:26:02 PM: nilsen nice video thanks for link

hey grun i must admit that mountains downthere rock and rest of content is realy crap :D
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2004, 03:29:47 PM: lol lada, i agree the mountains are pretty :D

btw...GS posted the link so thank him :)
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: lada on April 28, 2004, 03:49:07 PM: ohh sorry .... Thanks GS
:)
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: GRUNHERZ on April 28, 2004, 05:24:27 PM: Bleh bleh bleh, euro airshow toys!!!! :lol
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: lada on April 28, 2004, 06:02:06 PM: you know grun, we realy like all kind of various toys... neigbour daughter could tell you
:D
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: GRUNHERZ on April 28, 2004, 06:11:53 PM: Its amazing though, how those eurofigters fly just like the real american planes. Take off and land all on their own.. Neat!
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Torque on April 28, 2004, 06:14:19 PM: (http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/img/saab/gripen/gall97/gripen-land.jpg)

Wicked pic that aeroplane looks like a Transformeer.
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: GRUNHERZ on April 28, 2004, 06:21:13 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Torque
(http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/img/saab/gripen/gall97/gripen-land.jpg)

Wicked pic that aeroplane looks like a Transformeer.

You see even the euro-wannabe canadians notice the toy theme. :)
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2004, 11:17:25 PM: lol...it actually does look like a transformer :D
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: GRUNHERZ on April 28, 2004, 11:18:58 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Nilsen
lol...it actually does look like a transformer :D

Finally, honesty. The Jas 39 "Grippen-tron" is a toy. :)
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: Torque on April 29, 2004, 12:28:57 AM: Oh sorry Grunz i forgot you're the village expert photographer without a lens and a political annalist that doesn't vote.

I suppose every circus needs its clowns.

Anyhow thx for posting that pic it perked my interest in Aviation photography me thinks i'll venture into it this summer.
Title: To countries outside the US wanting to get the JSF
Post by: GRUNHERZ on April 29, 2004, 01:56:42 AM: Expert photographer, where did you get that?

Politicaly analyst? Not voting... Incompatible? Really? Did it ever occur to you that I dont vote precisely because I looked into politics enough so that I saw how much it disguists me..

Oh no... That cant be it. Mr Torque gotta make some little smart bellybutton comment now dont ya?

And here I though you canadians were a laid back lot... :p