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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: jamusta on April 27, 2004, 04:32:39 PM
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Others in combat that dont have a choice to go back?
This just doenst make sence. The military sure is changing from when I first joined...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/04/27/sister.soldiers/index.html
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Originally posted by jamusta
This just doenst make sence.
Nor does it work. ;)
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You might want to learn how to post a link:lol
Yes yes I know how to cut and paste but thats no exscuse for not being able to post a link without ***** it up.
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The link:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/04/27/sister.soldiers/index.html
Now... could someone explain the point of this thread?
MiniD
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could someone explain the point of this thread?
The point of this thread is to illustate that the original poster doesn't know much about history or the current laws and regulations regarding sibling servicemen/women of those who died in combat.
Other than that, seems pointless.
dago
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That was my general understanding too dago. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me thinking it.
MiniD
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No to mention he does not know UUB code!:D
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So I screwed up the link big deal.
Mini D, Dago since you seem to be up to speed on the laws and regulations on this topic please inform me of them so I can understand instead of making your comments.
My point is this, they have been given a choice to go back or stay home. I was unaware that such a choice was given.
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Now you are aware. But your lack of understanding in military rules still doesn't cover the "others in combat that don't have a choice to go back" comment.
They lost a brother, the military has always been sensitive to siblings dieing in combat. Other than that, there is zero about the military that involves the phrase "you make the choice". That's why they call them "orders".
MiniD
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I believe it's known as the Saving Private Ryan clause.
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AR 635-200 Section II Surviving Sons and Daughters
a. Commanders specified in paragraph 1-19 will approve requests for separation for the convenience of the Government of soldiers who qualify per this section as surviving sons or daughters.
Surviving Sons and Daughters defined by the Army:
a. The "surviving son" or "surviving daughter" is any son or daughter in a family whose parent or one or more sons or daughters served in the Armed Forces of the United States and —
(1) Was killed in action.
(2) Died as a result of wounds, accident, or disease while serving in the U.S. Armed Forces.
(3) Is in a captured or missing-in-action status.
(4) Is permanently 100 percent physically disabled or 100 percent mentally disabled due to service connection, as determined by the Department of Veterans' Affairs or one of the military services, and is not gainfully employed because of such disability.
b. "Armed Forces of the United States" denotes collectively all components of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard.
It says surviving SON or DAUGHTER. Not Son's or Daughter's nor does it mention anything about reassignment.
According to the article:
The two soldiers, Rachel and Charity Witmer, were given the choice of returning to combat...
Fortunately since I still am in the military I can atleast look up such regulations.
Didnt they go after Pvt Ryan after all his brothers were killed and he ended up the only Surviving son?
My point is this, If these 2 were not in the news would this have happen? Did they ask Pat Tillmans brother to come home?
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They choose reassignment over seperation, I can't see why anyone, civilian or military would have a problem with that choice.
I am sure Tillmans brother will have an option regarding returning to combat or not.
If you spend your time looking for something to complain about, you no doubt will find it. But, making that your choice as to how to spend your life, you will never really be happy.
dago
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Dago WTF are you rambling about.... Spending my time looking for things to complain about? I'll never be happy? Are you sure you are not talking about yourself?
Go away ya bothering me.
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A thing I learned recently and is damn near a hundred percent true is that when people complain about other people they are complaining about something they don't like in themselves.
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Originally posted by Nash
A thing I learned recently and is damn near a hundred percent true is that when people complain about other people they are complaining about something they don't like in themselves.
Damn...that's really deep Nash, thanks!
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My point is this, If these 2 were not in the news would this have happen? Did they ask Pat Tillmans brother to come home?
You have no idea if he was or wasn't offered the option. That's not a "point"... it's a backtrack.
I do like arguing over the subtleties of "Saving Private Ryan" though. It actually adds something funny to an otherwise worthless rant.
MiniD
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LOL, Jamusta, I dont know what rock you crawled out from under, but please consider going to school. You are a moron.
dago
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See? Dago is ashamed of the rock he crawled out from under and is considering going back to school.
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lol Nash!:D
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Dago, I need to attend the school you went to so I can come up with outstanding insults like that......
I'm sure you can do better than that.
MiniD I was actually asking if he was offered that same choice not trying to make a point at all.
Im not complaining about the sisters, Im questioning the policy. The Army just isnt the same as it use to be. I dont blame them for not wanting to go back.
Since no one is mature enough to discuss this drop it.
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Search "Fighting Sullivans"
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hey nash... we all know the catchphrases... "when you point a finger at someone you are also pointing four fingers at yourself"
they are quite inspiring and may even have a ring of truth to them but.... most people find them sappy.
10 years of AA meetings.. I think I've heard it all sometimes.
lazs
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whew... thank's for the heads-up Lazs. I wouldn't want to come across as sappy or anything. I didn't learn that at an AA meeting, and I also don't go to any meetings. Why you on my case alluhsudden?
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Ok nash... here is the deal... I have nothing against you as a person. I don't know you... nothing against your country... I don't care about your country. You are not special to me at all... If you look... I tend to be hard on liberals... there may be other liberals out there that think I am singling them out too..
This is an illussion... I disslike all your views allmost equally or at least as the whim strikes me.. right now... I find that people who live in other countries that jump into every U.S. election or gun thread are particularly distasteful and im my own small way I like to point this out.
I also went through recovery and It worked for me... I seen about 90% of the people fail... higher for junkies. The ones who made it went to meetings and worked it. If you had a sponsor and he read this BB he would tell you not to participate... at least not yet... not till you had become as good natured and sensitive as me at least... If you would like to discuss the last part of this post in private you are welcome to email me.
lazs
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Originally posted by jamusta
Im not complaining about the sisters, Im questioning the policy. The Army just isnt the same as it use to be. I dont blame them for not wanting to go back.
Since no one is mature enough to discuss this drop it.
Not complaining about the sisters? What part of "wondering if Pat Tillman's brother got the same choice" merrits not "complaining"?
And the army has been like that for some time. What the army hasn't been at for some time is war.
If you want a discussion on this, try not being such a complete side shifting no point participant.
MiniD