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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Thrawn on April 29, 2004, 02:19:59 AM
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I posted this elsewhere I thought you guys might find it interesting.
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040426/040426_newIraqFlag_hmed_8p.hmedium.jpg)
(http://www.stateofisrael.com/Israeli%20Flag.gif)
Shear jenious.
:rolleyes:
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Don't get it. I don't see the resemblance except that they both have that same nasty shade of baby blue?
Horizontal stripes are always a good idea in a flag though, IMO.
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Why not just add another star to the american flag and let them use that :p
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Why not just add another star to the american flag and let them use that :p
ROFL Nilsen! You are so bad. :lol
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Afghanistan
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_af.gif)
Egypt
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_eg.gif)
Iran
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_ir.gif)
Iraq (OLD)
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_iz.gif)
Israel
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_is.gif)
Jordan
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_jo.gif)
Kuwait
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_ku.gif)
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Lebanon
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_le.gif)
Libya
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_ly.gif)
Oman
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_mu.gif)
Palestinian Authority
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_we.gif)
Qatar
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_qa.gif)
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Why a new flag ? The old one was used since the 50ties - long before Saddam.
And why blue ???? The arab flags never had used that stupid baby blue before.
No wonder that german TV show yesterday how iraqis were burning this new flag on the street.
They would have better used the red / white / black and just replace the central symbol with a new one.
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Saudi Arabia
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_sa.gif)
Syria
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_sy.gif)
Sudan
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_su.gif)
Yemen
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_ym.gif)
UAE
(http://www.allyoucanread.com/images/Flags/m_tc.gif)
Yup light blue'll really blend in with the neighbours. No one will be at all suspicious about the meaning of the change in colour. Arabs are big on light blue. And it's great that a non-elected government chose it. Honest. :D
Why didn't they just make it a red rag and wave it at the bull?
Here's some reaction to it on the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3660663.stm) .
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Why not just add another star to the american flag and let them use that :p
:D
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Yup Nilsen, right on the mark! ;)
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Designing and attempting to impose a new flag has to be the most crass piece of diplomacy for many along year.................
............just amazing how idiotic some people can be.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Why not just add another star to the american flag and let them use that :p
if we don't count Puerto Rico, think we want to count Iraq? :)
does seem alittle abrasive - wonder how much they spent to come up with that idea??
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Originally posted by babek-
Why a new flag ? The old one was used since the 50ties - long before Saddam.
And why blue ???? The arab flags never had used that stupid baby blue before.
No wonder that german TV show yesterday how iraqis were burning this new flag on the street.
They would have better used the red / white / black and just replace the central symbol with a new one.
Babek, can you please re-post your explaination of the colours and symbols from WBFH Forum here?
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(http://www.pogbird.com/ebay/flag_i.gif)
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@boroda: Sure - here we go :)
This new flag is maybe nice for a Alladdin-Hollywood-Film but it has no meaning for the iraquis or Arabs.
Arabs used the following colors in their flags:
RED:
The Khawarij were the first Islamic group to emerge after the assassination of Caliph Uthman III, forming the first republican party in the early days of Islam. Their symbol was the red flag. Arab tribes who participated in the conquest of North Africa and Andalusia carried the red flag, which became the symbol of the Islamic rulers of Andalusia (756-1355).
In modern times, red symbolizes the Ashrafs [ie. Sharifians] of the Hijaz and the Hashemites, descendants of the Prophet.
GREEN:
The Fatimid Dynasty (909-1171), North Africa
The Fatimid Dynasty was founded in Morocco by Abdullah Al-Mahdi, and went on rule all of North Africa. They took green as their color, to symbolize their allegiance to Ali, the Prophet's cousin, who was once wrapped in a green coverlet in place of the Prophet in order to thwart an assassination attempt.
WHITE:
The Umayyad Dynasty (661-750), Damascus
The Umayyads ruled for ninety years, taking white as their symbolic color as a reminder of the Prophet's first battle at Badr, and to distinguish themselves from the Abbasids, by using white, rather than black, as their color of mourning. Mu'awia Ibn Abi Sufian (661-750), founder of the Umayyad state, proclaimed himself Caliph of Jerusalem.
BLACK
BlThe Prophet Mohammad (570-632)
In the seventh century, with the rise of Islam and subsequent liberation of Mecca, two flags - one white, one black - were carried. On the white flag was written, "There is no god but God (Allah) and Mohammad is the Prophet of God."
In pre-Islamic times, the black flag was a sign of revenge. It was the color of the headdress worn when leading troops into battle. Both black and white flags were placed in the mosque during Friday prayers.
The Abbasid Dynasty (750-1258), ruling from Baghdad, took black as a symbol of mourning for the assassination of relatives of the Prophet and in remembrance of the Battle of Karbala.
Look at the the old iraqi flags:
The Kingdom of Iraq had the colours green, black, red and white
Then 1953 Egypt gave birth to the "Arab Liberation Flag" - 3-stripes-horizontally: Red - White - Black with green 5-pointed stars or a golden hawk in the center.
The following countries changed to this flag design to symbolize their union:
Syri , Iraq , Yemen, Libya (later changed flag to green to symbolize Ghaddafis so called "green revolution") and Egypt.
So Iraq had this flag until the end of Saddam:
red-white-black with 3 green 5 pointed stars in the center.
Thats NOT Saddams flag - it was the iraqi flag before Saddam who only added the words "God is great" in the center of the flag
So - Iraq - with its relativly short history always had the described colours and design.
And now they get this dumb flag design which look more like the israeli design with 2 blue stripes and a blue religious symbol (islamic-half-moon / 6-pointed-jew-star) in the center.
Yes - officially the 2 blue stripes should symbolize the 2 rivers (thank god Iraq has only 2 big rivers - otherwise the design would be worser than it is) and teh yellow or brown stripe at the bottom should symbolize the kurd minority.
But whats with the turkish minority ? Or the sunnite minority ? Why not putting some other funny stripes in the designs ?
And I can understand that the iraqis are angry about this flag design and are burning this "symbol of the puppet regime" (how they said yesterday in te TV report).
The Iraqi flag should be a red - white - black design with a new symbol in the center - but not this baby-blue ridiculous Disneyland-version.
I would feel the same anger if the iranian flag would loose the traditional green - white - red design it had during all its history.
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LOL Eagler :lol
Thanks for this educational post, Babek. I knew nothing about those flags.
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LOL Eagler :D
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they ought to just change it to black.
The color that they and their land will be if they don't shape up and act like human beings.
We need an above ground test anyway.
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Originally posted by deSelys
Thanks for this educational post, Babek. I knew nothing about those flags.
and neither does the folks that proposed the new flag
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Originally posted by storch
they ought to just change it to black.
The color that they and their land will be if they don't shape up and act like human beings.
We need an above ground test anyway.
Maybe ground-zero should be between your ears :D
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Watch out, you may be next. maybe we have decided that herring is vital to our national interest.
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or oil? :lol
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Thats funny, I had thought that norweigians had a dry complection.
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There are NO herrings in Sweden! It's another lie!!!
edit: or Norway, for that matters!
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There's plenty. we've seen them, why at this very moment our satellites are trained on a massive school near Tromso fjord. we also know that there many of the rare and valuable red variant. en gard.
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you leave those herrings alone storch or ill club a baby seal in retaliation :o
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I liked the old iraqi flag just fine. New flag looks...how they say: ghey?
No doubt the first thing done when Iraq holy council executes the interim government is reinstate the old flag.
On a side note:
How do you euros feel about arab nations and nuclear weapons?
a) I prefer this over americans and nuclear weapons
b) I hope arabs destroy america with nuclear weapons
c) I like fanatic militant arabs, they remind me of.....me
d) All of the above :rofl
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WTG Yeager:rofl
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or
e) I prefer that countries that has a history of using them should not have them
f) I prefer that no countries has nukes
:rofl :rofl
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e) The only countries I am comfortable with them having nuclear weapons are:
1. USA
2. UK
3. Canada
4. France
5. Germany
6. Japan
Russia is OK too, but I'm too afraid they lose/got stolen a couple.
Israel would be more inclined to peace efforts without its nukes.
Pakistan, India and NK scare the hell outta me.
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Ive recently read a list of all the nukes that the US has lost over the years.....scary :( ill se if i cant translate the list
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Yes they have lost quite a few, one in Ga. or N. Fl. I believe.
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30+ Storch and several of those are still "missing" or on the bottom of the sea and one 24 megatone bomb is still not found but burried in a swamp in North Carolina after it was dropped on January 24. 1961
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Originally posted by Nilsen
30+ Storch and several of those are still "missing" or on the bottom of the sea and one 24 megatone bomb is still not found but burried in a swamp in North Carolina after it was dropped on January 24. 1961
Holy f e k.. I did not know that...
dude
f e k is astricted out? haha
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There are now a total of 92 nuklear bombs "lost at sea"
I could not atm find the original list of 32 incidents that the DOD released in 1980, but here is one:
http://www.cdi.org/Issues/NukeAccidents/accidents.htm
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usualy the symbol on a flag mean something, wonder what
the 2 blue and one yellow stripe meaning?
I.e the german flag represents "past, present and future"
of course gold=future ;)
And Yeager, know the sentence from the movie project peacemaker?:
"...i have no fear of the man who have 100 nuclear bombs,
i have fear of the man who wants just 1 nuclear bomb"
or something similar ;)
R
Gh0stFT
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
usualy the symbol on a flag mean something, wonder what
the 2 blue and one yellow stripe meaning?
I.e the german flag represents "past, present and future"
of course gold=future ;)
Apparently they are suppose to represent the Tigris, the Euphrates and the Kurdish people.
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Interesting to know how many Iraqi's from the governing council were consultated about the flag. I heard it was none.
Though more insulting imho to the Iraqi people is the US deciding on the new flag when there is still so much going wrong in Iraq.
...-Gixer
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Maybe ground-zero should be between your ears
I'll second that one Nilsen.
:aok
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Originally posted by Gixer
Interesting to know how many Iraqi's from the governing council were consultated about the flag. I heard it was none.
That is screwed. Any chance you remember the source of that info?
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Originally posted by 2stony
I'll second that one Nilsen.
:aok
then ill ratify it :aok
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I wouldn't trust germany with nukes.
they have a bad history with bad leaders.
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wow nilsen, I had no idea. alarming.
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If we make Iraq a state it will just make Puerto Rico try harder. Then it will be the whole 'friggin' Third World. No thanks....:eek:
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Originally posted by Thrawn
That is screwed. Any chance you remember the source of that info?
Sorry Thrawn my mistake, I got that the wrong way around. It was the fact that the US hand picked leaders of the council decided on the flag with no consultation to the Iraqi people. What they should do is narrow down to say 6 designs and then present that to the poeple to decide on which one. A referendum of such when they first vote for their new leader.
Since the council is seen as just a voice for the Bush administration by Iraqi civilians any decision they ever make will never be respected as their own.
I just think it's insulting to be designing a flag and for the council to be spending such time of a trivial thing when there are so much more stressing work to be done in Iraq at this time.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
I wouldn't trust germany with nukes.
i dont trust anyone with nukes, because they
will use it in that or another way, we opened the
pandora box now we have to live with it.
Btw. Germany has no nukes! But our friends around us,
France and Britain have more then enough to
bump us to the moon ;)
R
Gh0stFT
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
I wouldn't trust germany with nukes.
they have a bad history with bad leaders.
skull, modern germany is much, much different than any 1920s-30s sort of mentality once held.
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Originally posted by Octavius
skull, modern germany is much, much different than any 1920s-30s sort of mentality once held.
Not too different really, but they have made some progess! They only support murderous dictators in other parts of the world now - not in Europe... ;)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Not too different really, but they have made some progess! They only support murderous dictators in other parts of the world now - not in Europe... ;)
Yep we learned it from our big brother and idol USA
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Morning all..... everyone sleep well? abit tired myself, but nothing some coffe won't fix. (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/yawn.gif)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Not too different really, but they have made some progess! They only support murderous dictators in other parts of the world now - not in Europe... ;)
Interesting how you overlook that it was the US that put Sadam in power and suported him all those years in the first place. Only recently he became the "bad guy" and needed to be removed.
...-Gixer