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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on April 29, 2004, 07:52:05 AM
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http://www.dailycollegian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/04/28/408f27f0591be
Tillman, probably acting out his nationalist-patriotic fantasies forged in years of exposure to Clint Eastwood and Rambo movies, decided to insert himself into a conflict he didn't need to insert himself into. It wasn't like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable. What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say I have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his "service" was necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani people. He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in.
How about some posters from the left of Tillman from the left?
(http://media.portland.indymedia.org/images/2004/03/283829.jpg)
there's more where that came from, however the link is busted this morning, when it did work, I had quoted this from the site... http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/04/286523.shtml
edit: looks like you can't see it anymore, but there was a thread where some people chose headlines for Tillman's death. Some of the results:
"Dumb Jock Killed in Afghanistan "
"privileged millionaire, blinded by nationalist mythology, pisses away the good life"
"Cottled sports star allows nationalism to foster jingoistic irresponsibility resulting in his death"
"Citizen of empire allows ignorance to cause him to die for imperialism"
"Capitalist chooses to kill innocents instead of cashing check"
Yep, America's finest in college. :rolleyes:
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For once I totally agree with you Rip.
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Sounds like an anti-jock has his panties in a bunch, see the responses at the bottom of the page?
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It all comes down to personal responsibility and being able to back up what one believes in. I doubt the writer would be willing to do both at the same time. However, Tillman would probably have enjoyed the irony of his sacrifice, he was an intelligent man from what I gather.
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"While perusing through the paper today, I came across this rather ignorant article. Any article who's title includes the phrase "Not a hero: he got whats coming to him" must have some balls, and most likely no valid content. You see, much like your neighborhood in Puerto Rico, in the neighborhood in New Jersey that I come from, we like to call people who write such mind bogglingly stupid articles "tree hugging hippies". Which, loosely translated, means "idiot, moron,". When you say that someone who died fighting for what they believe in was a moron who "got whats coming to him", you automatically just renewed your passport to Planet Stupid. Your stance on the war is a moot point. A good person is now dead. Whether you're pro war, pro peace, democrat, republican, black, white, puerto rican, male, or female: death sucks. This point, which I presented rather eloquently, has been a universal constant since the dawn of time. Pat Tillman wasn't a murderer, rapist, child molester, or tax evader. He didn't "get whats coming to him". He fought in a conflict which, believe it or not, lots of people around the country seem to agree with. Does that mean that people who die because of smoking, drinking, drugs, and a sedentary lifestyle "deserve whats coming" simply because they make poor lifestyle choices? Does this mean that everyone who dies in an auto accident "deserves it" because they were driving? Does that mean that people who die in hate crimes "deserve it" because they were minorities? Of course not. Moron.
So, maybe when you die from rampant unchecked stupidity, or more likely herpes, we can make a movie about your life called "Star Trek 11: Rene's journey to Planet Stupid". You may think my title lacks creativity, and if so, too bad. You're wrong.
And, just for your information, Rambo didn't buddy up with the Taliban in Rambo III. He was with the Mujahedeen, who later became the Northern Alliance (the guys who fought with us in Afghanistan). The Taliban didn't get to Afghanistan till 1995, and if they were there in 1988 (when Rambo 3 took place), Rambo would have killed them too. You should have known that Rambo was way too badass to align himself with the Taliban, and way too badass to be stopped by bullets, hippies, or God himself. "
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Predictable, most of our universities are nothing more than liberal hatcheries spawning forth fry, unleashed upon the rest of us. I can almost see the gleem in the eyes of the balding pony tailed demagogues in academia as they nod in approval.
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Ripsnort, stop draggin Pat Tillmans name in the dirt.
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Maniac is really in an altered state, quit it there are long term health risks directly connected to that behavior.
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Sifting through the responses to the article (http://www.dailycollegian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/04/28/408f27f0591be) (at the bottom), I don't see a single one supporting Ms. Gonzalez opinion. I guess that The Daily Collegian isn't as "left" as you think.
I read a little bit of the other link and some of the opinions... Some of it's out there, and I don't agree with a vast majority of it, but I can't find any reason to be angry about it. This is just the sort of thing that our Founder intended when they wrote the 1st Amendment.
I love my country.
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which country is that, pray tell.
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Ripsnort found some people with a distateful point of view on the internet. That's unprecedented.
Sixpence - Who wrote that crap? Nice fairy tale with no basis in truth. The Northern Alliance and the Taliban relied on the armed forces of the local warlords who fought against the Russians and who switched sides multiple times down the years, depending on the prospects for loot or power. Rambo's comrades could well have been fighting for the Taliban when Afghanistan was attacked by the US and friends.
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I'll Tell you what the surprise here is:
Rene Gonzalez is a UMass graduate student.
Yup the author is from john kerry's neck of the woods.
Look at all the feedback she's gotten so far:
04/28/2004 This is absolutely disgusting. This... Jesse Myers
04/28/2004 This editorial is insane the... Proud Member of the US Army
04/28/2004 How did your mind become so warped?... joshua
04/28/2004 Rene, How could you possibly use... john schultz
04/28/2004 Tillman died *for* folks like Rene... Ed Cutting
04/28/2004 Your editorial is absolutely... Maura McGarrity
04/28/2004 Your editorial is absolutely... Maura McGarrity
04/28/2004 It is because rough and tumble men... bill clark
04/28/2004 Yes, your controversy has made its... Andrew Stinger
04/28/2004 Pat Tillman was a hero because he... Omar Baca
04/28/2004 Rene, Thanks for showing me what a... Michael Lujan
04/28/2004 Dear Rene Gonzalez; "It is best to... Mark Winestock
04/28/2004 I wonder if Rene Gonzales would think... Don Edwards
04/28/2004 Rene, I don't care about your... Ian Sparkes
04/28/2004 As an American, I am embarrased by... equillian
04/28/2004 I can only assume this was written to... Harry McCaul
04/28/2004 Talk about assumptions. 1) You... A Jaw
04/28/2004 This is crazy. I was at ASU when Pat... Matthew Ogden
04/28/2004 As an Arizona State University... Patrick F. Campos
04/28/2004 While your entire screed is poorly... Baz Rousmann
04/28/2004 Rene, like most graduate students,... William
04/28/2004 You can sit there and say that while... Some War Supporter
04/28/2004 Rene, you are lucky to be living in... Sgt USMC8541
04/28/2004 So, let me get this right. If Pat... Joshua
04/28/2004 A perfect example as to why Puerto... Kevin Shook
04/28/2004 Although this article does appear... stin
04/28/2004 Interesting article. After reading... Sam
04/28/2004 You, my sad, sad friend, are the... Appalled
04/28/2004 Just because YOU are a coward does... Tom
04/28/2004 Are you high? This man IS clearly a... Jaime
04/28/2004 This was obviously written by... J. DeWitt
04/28/2004 You should thank those soldiers that... Keith Laudenberger
04/28/2004 the old saying certainly applies... gary feffer
04/28/2004 Rene, I think you may be the poster... Dirk Eyman
04/28/2004 It is pretty sad that you have to... Brian Gendron
04/28/2004 This editorial is nothing but your... Megan Evans
04/28/2004 It is hard to express the outrage I... Dan
04/28/2004 The writer apparently missed the... The Bear
04/28/2004 You are a disgusting worthless jerk... Kevin Felix
04/28/2004 Perhaps you went to the Simeon Rice... Tilly is a Hero
04/28/2004 Sorry ,Rene. You had a chick name, so... JAMES
04/28/2004 What a useless person Rene Gonzalez... Michael Christman
04/28/2004 I am quite sure that if Spc. Tillman... A fellow Ranger
04/28/2004 As a handsome macho guy, I figure... JAMES
04/28/2004 The toughest part about serving my... Ranger veteran
04/28/2004 While perusing through the paper... Eric
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I agree with Sandy on this one.
It is some digusting stuff, but the writer has every right to be a total tool and write it.
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Its sad when any person dies for their country. Tillman's death makes him no more the hero than the other hundreds that have died in America's imperialistic march..
However unsavory this article may appear, it's primus is not that far away from the mark...
dude
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Imperialist, marching into your neck of the woods soon.
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Duh... Yup, yup, that's them leftists again Rip. They's all like that, the buncha Anti American tree huggers. Yup. yup.
(Nevermind the fact that the author's opinion was overwhelmingly rejected by her "leftist" audiance.)
:rolleyes:
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If anyone wants to start a more intimate discourse with this woman, here's the place to do it:
rene@student.umass.edu
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Originally posted by storch
Predictable, most of our universities are nothing more than liberal hatcheries spawning forth fry, unleashed upon the rest of us. I can almost see the gleem in the eyes of the balding pony tailed demagogues in academia as they nod in approval.
Depends on which university. Sure all those Yankee scumbags teach that crap, but most of the Universities down south are decidedly conservative. All of my professors that were spewing their liberal nonsense upon further investigation were nothing but filthy carpetbaggers from places like Boston, New York, etc etc
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Originally posted by storch
Predictable, most of our universities are nothing more than liberal hatcheries spawning forth fry, unleashed upon the rest of us. I can almost see the gleem in the eyes of the balding pony tailed demagogues in academia as they nod in approval.
....And Storch has put his money where his mouth is, too. He's obviously boycotted higher education. :D
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I agree with Sandy on this one.
It is some digusting stuff, but the writer has every right to be a total tool and write it.
I'd love to see him exercise his first ammendments rights in a bar one night..
Little *****.
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What a pos that author is...
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
If anyone wants to start a more intimate discourse with this woman, here's the place to do it:
rene@student.umass.edu
Pork....
once again....
I love you.:aok
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Yup the author is from john kerry's neck of the woods.
So are the responses. She was rebuffed by a jock.
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Heh, I'm not going to college for the political rants. Conservative or liberal...whatever NT may be I really don't care.
As for the article...while First Amendment rights apply, I don't think it's fair to roll Tillman's name in the mud, no matter what he did. He may not be a "hero", but I'd like to see any other American give up a cushy job or a fat paycheck to go to war...
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Pork....
once again....
I love you.:aok
Thanks Muck, I love you too.
Have your fun, but try to meet her on some sort of intellectual playing field. As much as I'd like to just insult her, I think it would be more effective to make her feel silly.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Thanks Muck, I love you too.
Have your fun, but try to meet her on some sort of intellectual playing field. As much as I'd like to just insult her, I think it would be more effective to make her feel silly.
After reading my first e-mail to her, I realized there was too much....whats the words I'm looking for....violence...in it.
I'm reworking it now.
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Three cheers for the enlightened left!
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lol, looks like he may be finding another school, but is it a he or she? It's Pat!
http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2004/04/29/umass_president_criticizes_students_column_on_felled_soldier/
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I'm sure he/she/it....does it matter...
I'm sure this little dope-smoking tree-hugger is looking for a new e-mail addy by now.
THANKS AGAIN, PORK!
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Broken link....
Broken link!!
Broken Link!!!!!
What with people and not being able to post a link?
Like this is a hard thing?
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Originally posted by muckmaw
THANKS AGAIN, PORK!
Just because Rip has put on a little weight, that's no reason to call him names.
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The really sad part of this is that CPL Tillman died defending the freedoms of pukes like this so they can write such garbage.
They in my opinion would never have the personal courage to don the uniform and fight for there country anyway so to hell with them.
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Stratman
It would never run through there mind one way or another, they think anyone who serves is a dolt/fool. (not all libs, just the rabid commie leftist scum like the ***** who wrote that tripe)
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Six
Why dont you fix your link instead of posting stupid jokes.
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For the love of christ, this is just a view from one leftist. That's like saying the holocaust has wide-spread right-wing support.
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Originally posted by hawker238
For the love of christ, this is just a view from one leftist. That's like saying the holocaust has wide-spread right-wing support.
:aok
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Interesting thoughts/questions........
Where in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, ETC.... is there a statement relieving you or me or any person, of the responsibility for the use of those rights?
Ya the politico's do all they can to get out of the responsiblity for what they do. Even go so far as to make it law. But you and me and those like us are not.
Could/would a good attorney make expressing yourself in a violent manner, say punching someone for burning the U.S. flag viable? After all you are expressing yourself. It could be considered a form of free speech?
Historically there is a precidence.... in the U.S. House and Senate duals were fought. NO i'm not advocating dualing. But the argument was based on the issue that everyone had a breaking point, that there were some things no one should have to bare. It was of course based on the reasonable person doctrine which is very flexable and interpretations vary.
Oh Well just some thoughts.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Just because Rip has put on a little weight, that's no reason to call him names.
Ahem...
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and once again the amazing airhead proves he's selected the handle that describes him perfectly.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Six
Why dont you fix your link instead of posting stupid jokes.
Their links have not been working, I had to post to main page for the guy that got away with murder.
stupid jokes? (http://www.stoogeworld.com/_Stooge%20Sounds/Stooges%20waves/brains.wav)
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Ahem...
lol, sorry Pork, didn't see your post.
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Originally posted by stratman
The really sad part of this is that SGT Tillman died defending the freedoms of pukes like this so they can write such garbage.
They in my opinion would never have the personal courage to don the uniform and fight for there country anyway so to hell with them.
As I've said before, and as wiser men have undoubtedly said before me, people such as this Gonzalez person, as well as the overgrown hippies we see parading in SF with swastikas pointing towards Washington, are nothing more than symptoms of a nation that is healthy, wealthy and kind to its populace. If we were starving and on the brink of collapse, you would never see these spouts of radical ultraliberalism. People would be too occupied trying to find food or running for cover from the oppression.
Pat Tillman
And(so as not to let the two names occur in the same line):
thank you Ms. Gonzalez for demonstrating the luxuries that our wonderful country can still afford.
That being said... Go rot in hell, Ms. Gonzalez
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Capt. Pork gets it.
:aok
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her email address makes it seem like she is just a student. I would not wast time reading it.
I wonder what Rip was doing reading that paper? And Indymedia? whats up Rip you taking a walk on the wild side?
Maybe Rip likes to cruise lefty sites to pick up chicks. Those christian conservative girls arent much fun are they? hehe
A little over the top to reprint the army poster. That is disgusting.
But why Rip felt like he had to say that these things represent the left is beyond me. Just goes to show he has no idea what he is talking about.
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Actually the link to that letter was posted on a few sites, like newsmax.com
That's where I first read about it.
Student or not, whoever wrote that has got to be insane and very delusional.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
If anyone wants to start a more intimate discourse with this woman, here's the place to do it:
rene@student.umass.edu
It isnt a woman........Want even more info
phone (413) 253-9639 email: rene@student.umass.edu or renegonzalez7@hotmail.com
(http://www.uvmdudeman.com/rene4.jpg)
archived webpage
http://www.uvmdudeman.com/rene.htm
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Broken link....
Broken link!!
Broken Link!!!!!
What with people and not being able to post a link?
Like this is a hard thing?
The site the original link was on has and is being hammered, the link is good
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LOL Holy he is SCREWED!
Man I love the internet.
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Yah I read the article yesterday at
http://www.realclearpolitics.com
A site that has quite a bit of news/politics/opinon ariticles on current events. A decidely conservative bent to the site, but has desenting opinons as well.
And Rene.... you scumbag. Reap what you sow. :mad:
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I just read the article...only word I can think of is disgusting. :mad: Regardless of anything else, the man served in the military and gave his life in the line of duty. And for at least that (if not more) he should have earned our respect.
In the words of Ricci Ricardo...Rene is gonna hab a lot o' essplaining to do.
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So does anybody have the complete text of his article? I have a feeling the newspaper pulled it from their website.
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deknuf
I was talking about Six's link not the main one, when I read this yesterday the link still worked.
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Sucks to be that guy, the internet is wonderfull, he makes an bellybutton out of himself and now he is famous, I wonder how it will effect the rest of this goofy looking ****ers life.
He prolly still believes every word he wrote though.
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Originally posted by storch
Predictable, most of our universities are nothing more than liberal hatcheries spawning forth fry, unleashed upon the rest of us.
Tillman went to college, and he was from (gasp) the Bay Area of Northern California! Someone should investigate!
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Originally posted by muckmaw
I'd love to see him exercise his first ammendments rights in a bar one night..
Little *****.
Hehe....yeah.
culero (say what ya want, then deal with the results - that's freedom)