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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: strk on April 30, 2004, 06:57:19 AM
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if this is for real it is NOT GOOD
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1206725,00.html
(article below)
http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/28819.php
(the alleged pics are posted here)
Neither source is a highly credible one IMO so I will wait and see if the US press picks this up or at least some better foreign press
(Article)
US military in torture scandal
Use of private contractors in Iraqi jail interrogations highlighted by inquiry into abuse of prisoners
Julian Borger in Washington
Friday April 30, 2004
The Guardian
Graphic photographs showing the torture and sexual abuse of Iraqi prisoners in a US-run prison outside Baghdad emerged yesterday from a military inquiry which has left six soldiers facing a possible court martial and a general under investigation.
The scandal has also brought to light the growing and largely unregulated role of private contractors in the interrogation of detainees.
According to lawyers for some of the soldiers, they claimed to be acting in part under the instruction of mercenary interrogators hired by the Pentagon.
US military investigators discovered the photographs, which include images of a hooded prisoner with wires fixed to his body, and nude inmates piled in a human pyramid.
The pictures, which were obtained by an American TV network, also show a dog attacking a prisoner and other inmates being forced to simulate sex with each other. It is thought the abuses took place in November and December last year.
The pictures from Abu Ghraib prison have shocked the US army.
Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt, deputy director of operations for the US military in Iraq, expressed his embarrassment and regret for what had happened. He told the CBS current affairs programme 60 Minutes II: "If we can't hold ourselves up as an example of how to treat people with dignity and respect, we can't ask that other nations do that to our soldiers."
Gen Kimmitt said the investigation began in January when an American soldier reported the abuse and turned over evidence that included photographs. "That soldier said: 'There are some things going on here that I can't live with'."
The inquiry had centred on the 800th Brigade which is based in Uniondale, New York.
The US army confirmed that the general in charge of Abu Ghraib jail is facing disciplinary measures and that six low-ranking soldiers have been charged with abusing and sexually humiliating detainees.
Lawyers for the soldiers argue they are being made scapegoats for a rogue military prison system in which mercenaries give orders without legal accountability.
A military report into the Abu Ghraib case - parts of which were made available to the Guardian - makes it clear that private contractors were supervising interrogations in the prison, which was notorious for torture and executions under Saddam Hussein.
One civilian contractor was accused of raping a young male prisoner but has not been charged because military law has no jurisdiction over him.
Hired guns from a wide array of private security firms are playing a central role in the US-led occupation of Iraq.
The killing of four private contractors in Falluja on March 31 led to the current siege of the city.
But this is the first time the privatisation of interrogation and intelligence-gathering has come to light. The investigation names two US contractors, CACI International Inc and the Titan Corporation, for their involvement in Abu Ghraib.
Titan, based in San Diego, describes itself as a "a leading provider of comprehensive information and communications products, solutions and services for national security". It recently won a big contract for providing translation services to the US army.
CACI, which has headquarters in Virginia, claims on its website to "help America's intelligence community collect, analyse and share global information in the war on terrorism".
Neither responded to calls for comment yesterday.
According to the military report on Abu Ghraib, both played an important role at the prison.
At one point, the investigators say: "A CACI instructor was terminated because he al lowed and/or instructed MPs who were not trained in interrogation techniques to facilitate interrogations by setting conditions which were neither authorised [nor] in accordance with applicable regulations/policy."
Colonel Jill Morgenthaler, speaking for central command, told the Guardian: "One contractor was originally included with six soldiers, accused for his treatment of the prisoners, but we had no jurisdiction over him. It was left up to the contractor on how to deal with him."
She did not specify the accusation facing the contractor, but according to several sources with detailed knowledge of the case, he raped an Iraqi inmate in his mid-teens.
Col Morgenthaler said the charges against the six soldiers included "indecent acts, for ordering detainees to publicly masturbate; maltreatment, for non-physical abuse, piling inmates into nude pyramids and taking pictures of them nude; battery, for shoving and stepping on detainees; dereliction of duty; and conspiracy to maltreat detainees".
One of the soldiers, Staff Sgt Chip Frederick is accused of posing in a photograph sitting on top of a detainee, committing an indecent act and with assault for striking detainees - and ordering detainees to strike each other.
He told CBS: "We had no support, no training whatsoever. And I kept asking my chain of command for certain things ... like rules and regulations."
His lawyer, Gary Myers, told the Guardian that Sgt Frederick had not had the opportunity to read the Geneva Conventions before being put on guard duty, a task he was not trained to perform.
Mr Myers said the role of the private contractors in Abu Ghraib are central to the case.
"We know that CACI and Titan corporations have provided interrogators and that they have in fact conducted interrogations on behalf of the US and have interacted the military police guards at the prison," he said.
"I think it creates a laissez faire environment that is completely inappropriate. If these individuals engaged in crimes against an Iraq national - who has jurisdiction over such a crime?"
"It's insanity," said Robert Baer, a former CIA agent, who has examined the case, and is concerned about the private contractors' free-ranging role. "These are rank amateurs and there is no legally binding law on these guys as far as I could tell. Why did they let them in the prison?"
The Pentagon had no comment on the role of contractors at Abu Ghraib, saying that an inquiry was still in progress.
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Not exactly what I thought the United States and it's armed forces stood for.....
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54540-2004Apr29.html
looks like its for real, charges have already been brought. Good for the Army, this is probably the only way to keep it from blowing up
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Given the response from the US authorities in Iraq, it looks like the allegations are true. I hope the offenders do some serious time.
BTW, the Guardian is one of the few truly independant UK publications. What criterion are you using for your claim that it isn't a credible source?
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Originally posted by Momus--
Given the response from the US authorities in Iraq, it looks like the allegations are true. I hope the offenders do some serious time.
BTW, the Guardian is one of the few truly independant UK publications. What criterion are you using for your claim that it isn't a credible source?
I just don't know much about it and there are several tabloidish rags out of UK that put up some outlandish crap.
Does the Guardian have a good rep for truthful reporting?
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All over the BBC too...
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=14195963%26method=full%26siteid=50143%26headline=outrage%2dat%2damerican%2dtorture%2dof%2diraqi%2dprisoners-name_page.html
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"it looks like the allegations are true"
Sure does.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5000942§ion=news
And with this bit of disturbing news, following up the recent uprisings backed with popular support and the reinstatement of Baathe party figures, it will trulyy be the straw that broke the proverbial came's back. There's no way anyone could possibly believe the bullsh&t about "liberating the Iraqi people from a brutal and repressive regime" anymore.
June 30th won't be a "transition." It'll be a cut & run.
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yup saw the pictures on fox news last night. It showed Iraqi prisoners with bags over their heads stark naked. there was also a female smiling and pointing wich has to against some kind of regulation. They aslo made them form some kind of pyramid.
For those of you who make think otherwise.....this is the act of the few ...not the many. These people WILL be punished.
Fox said the one star that was in charge of the facility has allready been releived of his command
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
For those of you who make think otherwise.....this is the act of the few ...not the many. These people WILL be punished.
Fox said the one star that was in charge of the facility has allready been releived of his command
That won't matter to the America haters. They will eat this up :( I think the people in this video will find themselves living in Kansas real quick like.
Criminals are really ***'n stupid. Think about it, if you're about to break the Geneva convention would you take pictures? Would you want any evidence? Idiots......
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Not exactly what I thought the United States and it's armed forces stood for.....
Not even close to what they stand for, that's why the perps are under charges.
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Tell it to the Muslims and Arabs who saw it on tv today. People who are already extremely skepticle in light of the transparant excuses for the invasion, the slapped togther, lame duck coalition appointed government, the new Iraqisreali flag, and the hypocrisy from a country espousing "justice" that has that infamous camp in Guantanamo.
I'm sure there is a web board somewhere that you can visit and preach on to convice them just how benevolent the US/UK are and how happy and grateful they are supposed to be - according to the President, Prime Minister, talk radio and news polls.
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they were from a reserve unit i think. right after that happened we had CID crawling all over our POW cage.
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As bad as this is, it was an Army guy who broke the story, this is the work of a few. The Army will clean house.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Not exactly what I thought the United States and it's armed forces stood for.....
Yeah, and I am sure you have already forgotten about the allegations of sexual abuse and maltreatment that surfaced against your own army as well????
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/06/04/1054700281072.html
http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=9116&TagID=2
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/phot-j04.shtml
It is wrong no matter how you put it, but it is not JUST the US doing it... and it is a limited number of imbeciles who will be punished, but, Gotta love your attitude of bash the USA at every chance you get. Ya know, it is ok, to just say that you do not like the US and just move on. :rolleyes:
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Westy
Is that the sam prison that the international red cross said was humane?
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Looks like they're just having a little harmless fun to me. ;)
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Apparently a 1 star General (female) is facing a court martial over this, I don't know what will happen to the other persons involved.
Unfortunately this sort of thing does happen no matter what side you on. However, there is no excuse whatsoever and the book should be thrown at anyone involved. It's clearly broken 3 rules of the Geneva convention and if I saw our troops paraded like that I'd be absolutely furious.
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Strk,
Why is it that the only things you post about are negative?
Do you have any good feeling about anything that happens in this country?
Or is it just because Gore is not in power?
Your continued negative campaign against everything is quite amazingly, perplexing. Kinda like typing 'Bush*' everytime you mention the President. I really hope you haven't been doing that for almost four years now...that would seem a little obsessive.
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The ability for folk to totally mess up is astounding.............
Crass ineptitude in and around Fallujha, stupid flag thing and then this with pictures not only of obvious cruelty but in some instances pictures that have significant humiliation factor to any male of Islamic belief................
Gotta ask who is in charge of all this locally...............
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"... the international red cross said was humane?"
No idea. Any reference to something on that?
Course any time any type of group inspects somewhere the people being inspected tend to put on a best face and sweep the dirt under the rug.
BTW, how "Few" are 17 people out of one company? I'll admit that 17 out of 150,000 is "a few" but not 17 out of just one company of military police? (17 being the the number of soldiers being investigated/charged for this)
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Originally posted by Replicant
Apparently a 1 star General (female) is facing a court martial over this, I don't know what will happen to the other persons involved.
Ya figure they would just use some common sense. We have people dying fighting resistance, so if you do something that causes more resistance, you get more people killed. I remember something about the Japanese surrender, as ships entered(Tokyo bay?), they were told, "If something charges at your ship, shoot it, but do it in a nice way"
A handful of nitwits does not represent the military.
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Originally posted by Westy
"... the international red cross said was humane?"
No idea. Any reference to something on that?
Course any time any type of group inspects somewhere the people being inspected tend to put on a best face and sweep the dirt under the rug.
BTW, how "Few" are 17 people out of one company? I'll admit that 17 out of 150,000 is "a few" but not 17 out of just one company of military police? (17 being the the number of soldiers being investigated/charged for this)
You do realize that there is a difference between being investigated and charged? Of course there is yet another difference between being charged and convicted. What is the point of your question?
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Originally posted by AKIron
What is the point of your question?
america sucks
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Originally posted by AKIron
Looks like they're just having a little harmless fun to me. ;)
Bravo....
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Looks like alot of those "Freedom Fighters"(mercenaries) are behind it.
"According to lawyers for some of the soldiers, they claimed to be acting in part under the instruction of mercenary interrogators hired by the Pentagon."
"Lawyers for the soldiers argue they are being made scapegoats for a rogue military prison system in which mercenaries give orders without legal accountability."
"One civilian contractor was accused of raping a young male prisoner but has not been charged because military law has no jurisdiction over him."
"But this is the first time the privatisation of interrogation and intelligence-gathering has come to light. The investigation names two US contractors, CACI International Inc and the Titan Corporation, for their involvement in Abu Ghraib.Titan, based in San Diego, describes itself as a "a leading provider of comprehensive information and communications products, solutions and services for national security". It recently won a big contract for providing translation services to the US army."
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Originally posted by AKIron
Looks like they're just having a little harmless fun to me. ;)
Honestly I was inclined to say the same thing. If I were in their shoes and Shatinmyfries was a prisoner I'd spend all day playing evil American.
1.) Ive read nothing of ANY phsyical abuse.
2.) The photo where the guy is standing on a box with wired tired to his hands and a hood over his head... the wires arent connected to anything... he just doesnt know.
3.) How else are you supposed to wartm people up for interrogation?
And last but not least...
4.) Frat boys have done worse... Send the camera to the Sig Pi house! VIOLATION!!! VIOLATION!!!
PS: If physical abuse did take place, Im sure the offending soldiers will be prosecuted.
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I was just yankin' the chain of a few anti-American bigots, all in good fun. ;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
I was just yankin' the chain of a few anti-American bigots, all in good fun. ;)
SHH!
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
1.) Ive read nothing of ANY phsyical abuse.
"One civilian contractor was accused of raping a young male prisoner but has not been charged because military law has no jurisdiction over him."
So they can do anything w/o being held accountable.
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"What is the point of your question?"
Can't help you with that as it soared over your head.
"america sucks"
Udie the simplistic, moronic "your with us or your with the terrosists" thing was old at least a year ago. Got anything better?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
"One civilian contractor was accused of raping a young male prisoner but has not been charged because military law has no jurisdiction over him."
So they can do anything w/o being held accountable.
Ah, didnt see that one. Ah well, who cares - Bush is Hitler and Iron ruined my fun. ;)
Oh, and Westy - you can suck a d*ck too.
WHOO HOO!! ITS FRIDAY MOTHER****ERS!
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"Saurdaukar quote Oh, and Westy - you can suck a d*ck too"
That's the most pathetic response yet.
Quick. Go back and ask gunman26 or dlamb for a better line to use on me.
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How can you talk with your mouth full?
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Ah, didnt see that one. Ah well, who cares - Bush is Hitler and Iron ruined my fun. ;)
The point I am trying to make is these "freedom fighters" (mercenaries) are doing most of this and the American soldiers are getting blamed. They can abuse these prisoners all they want and cannot be held accountable.
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This is what happens when you let right wing volunteers go unsupervised.
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Originally posted by Airhead
This is what happens when you let right wing volunteers go unsupervised.
Since they stripped the Iraqis naked and took pictures of their rectums, Id say we can be fairly confident that the GIs in question are democrats.
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I don't want to open a can of worms here but :
in any war, the enemy is perceived as non-human : every effort is made to destroy him, and you don't want to think about his mother and children when you are about to fire at a man in anger.
So it is well encouraged in any army to despise the enemy, call him derogatory names (gook, boche, whatever).
It's just easier to believe your enemy is a cockroach.
it is morally condemnable, but effective in the field.
So war is hell, but it is no surprise at all to see pictures like the ones we just saw.
it happens in every war, any army.
It is best to resort to war as a last ditch measure (I don't think THIS war was justified yet, my own opinion), but once you are at war, you can skull**** the enemy if you please, you are here to win.
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Yikes. You got me real bad with that hellacious retort Rickles. :rolleyes:
(In all honesty you embarass yourself and it begs the question, "does Saurs' family tree have any branches" with that kind of garbage. Try this web page for better material: http://www.insultmonger.com/generators/ )
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Since they stripped the Iraqis naked and took pictures of their rectums, Id say we can be fairly confident that the GIs in question are democrats.
...or Swedish...
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
...or Swedish...
I dont think foreigners are allowed to serve in the US army actually.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Since they stripped the Iraqis naked and took pictures of their rectums, Id say we can be fairly confident that the GIs in question are democrats.
No, they're definately right wingers cause all the leftists oppose the Iraq war. Maybe they were planning on selling the rectum pictures to Democrats.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
I dont think foreigners are allowed to serve in the US army actually.
Foreigners are allowed to serve in the US military but not overseas. At least that's how it usta be, coulda changed.
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Not trying to over analyze this thing. It is nothing but bad news for all involved......but, was this an isolated incident recorded with film or was the crime widespread at a single location or across the entire country?
Who were the iraqi victims? Plain old run-o-the-mill draftees or were they IDd as people who had commited atrocities against other Iraqis or us military? again, not trying to excuse, just want the full scope of the story before being european.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Will the perpetrators be handed over to the international war-crimes tribunal? ... Naw, I didn't think so. That's only for non-US war criminals.
You don't understand, "freedom fighters" (mercenaries) are committing most of these crimes, and our military has no jurisdiction over them.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Who were the iraqi victims? Plain old run-o-the-mill draftees or were they IDd as people who had commited atrocities against other Iraqis or us military? again, not trying to excuse, just want the full scope of the story before being european.
Why, that makes all the difference now, doesn't it? If they were arrested for "autrocities" then they DESERVE to be tortured and humiliated, by God!!
Sorry, but I agree wuith the right wingers on this one- there's a war on and if we can't win their hearts and minds then we'll take their rectums.
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Originally posted by Udie
That won't matter to the America haters. They will eat this up :( I think the people in this video will find themselves living in Kansas real quick like.
Criminals are really ***'n stupid. Think about it, if you're about to break the Geneva convention would you take pictures? Would you want any evidence? Idiots......
Udie is right, from what I have heard in that Al-jazeera and the Islamic press are not reporting that the perps were arrested and charged. THat was this morning so it may have changed by now, but there is no doubt this is a PR nightmare.
USMC pulled out of Falluja today too - I wonder if there is any connection. Was there a negotiated peace or something else going on?
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Originally posted by Drunky
Strk,
Why is it that the only things you post about are negative?
Do you have any good feeling about anything that happens in this country?
Or is it just because Gore is not in power?
Your continued negative campaign against everything is quite amazingly, perplexing. Kinda like typing 'Bush*' everytime you mention the President. I really hope you haven't been doing that for almost four years now...that would seem a little obsessive.
Drunky
Why do you always have some problem with me and not what I post? Did I even make this a political question? Hs Bush* been blamed for this event? The answer is no. You see my post and you think it is something it isnt. You pre-judge everything. Its called prejudice.
My continued negativity perplexes you - did 8 years of Clinton hate perplex you too? I think this Resident sucks bellybutton and I want him out. That is my right to say and think that. If you have a problem you are welcome to say otherwise. Free country you know.
The last time you jumpd my **** you wanted "discussion" - but all you do is attack me. Typical RW tactic - you have no issues in your favor so you resort to ad hominem attacks. Lame.
So put your flame thrower away and say what you have to say and if you have nothing to say then come back when you do.
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Seems like a few have lowerd themselves down to the level of the enemy!
there is NO excuse for this kind of crap.
Ft Levenworth should have some new guest over this.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Honestly I was inclined to say the same thing. If I were in their shoes and Shatinmyfries was a prisoner I'd spend all day playing evil American.
1.) Ive read nothing of ANY phsyical abuse.
2.) The photo where the guy is standing on a box with wired tired to his hands and a hood over his head... the wires arent connected to anything... he just doesnt know.
3.) How else are you supposed to wartm people up for interrogation?
And last but not least...
4.) Frat boys have done worse... Send the camera to the Sig Pi house! VIOLATION!!! VIOLATION!!!
PS: If physical abuse did take place, Im sure the offending soldiers will be prosecuted.
man you just revealed volumes about yourself.
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Originally posted by Yeager
, just want the full scope of the story before being european.
Pfffffttt...
:rofl
God the whole world hates us...
I guess it should bother me....but for some reason...
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To those of you out there who think this (prisoner abuse) is a singularly American problem, think again.
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Oh no, Saur...he called you gay!!
Oh my god, I think you should meet him in the parking lot after school!
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Sixpence
You don't understand, "freedom fighters" (mercenaries) are committing most of these crimes, and our military has no jurisdiction over them.
I guess Iraq has jurisdiction and will try them then - and they have some harsh punishments I hear.
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Originally posted by stratman
Seems like a few have lowerd themselves down to the level of the enemy!
there is NO excuse for this kind of crap.
Ft Levenworth should have some new guest over this.
Like I said, most of these abuses are being committed by "freedom fighters" (mercenaries), and the military has no jurisdiction over them.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Like I said, most of these abuses are being committed by "freedom fighters" (mercenaries), and the military has no jurisdiction over them.
I hope your right sixpence .
I would really hate to think that our military would be doing such things.
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Originally posted by strk
I guess Iraq has jurisdiction and will try them then - and they have some harsh punishments I hear.
ROFL!!!
Think again.
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Originally posted by stratman
I hope your right sixpence .
I would really hate to think that our military would be doing such things.
Well, the sad part is that even though our military may not have done it, our tax dollars are paying for it. What we do is let the mercenaries handle the interrogations, so any crimes committed we are not responsible for, so in theory, it should work, but as you can see it is making our military look bad. And our military cannot give them orders or tell them what to do, so their hands are tied. So higher ups in government give the orders and take no blame, it gets directed at our soldiers. Sound familiar?
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Originally posted by Hortlund
ROFL!!!
Think again.
I think that is the point he is trying to make. If the Iraqi police try to arrest them, the Iraqi police will be labeled as terrorists and the mercenaries as freedom fighters.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Well, the sad part is that even though our military may not have done it, our tax dollars are paying for it. What we do is let the mercenaries handle the interrogations, so any crimes committed we are not responsible for, so in theory, it should work, but as you can see it is making our military look bad. And our military cannot give them orders or tell them what to do, so their hands are tied. So higher ups in government give the orders and take no blame, it gets directed at our soldiers. Sound familiar?
Yeah sound very much like it has been planned this way.
Makes it hard to point the finger antwhere but at the the little guy
while the fat cats in washington keep there little hands clean.
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Some iraqi will see this and blow himself up and a group of US troops. Our armed forces are only hurting themselves. I hope they actually do something about this and not just let the mercenarys run around doing whatever they want.
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Now I don’t understand why y’all got your dicks in a wad. Our brave soldiers are only doing what those Iraqi scum would do if our boys were captured.
Why do you want to denigrate the honor and character of a good San Diego boy Staff Sgt Chip Frederick.. just because he didn’t know all these millions of rules and regulations.. He tried to get clarification on all these liberal rules.. How was he supposed to know it’s a minor infraction to stick his noodle into another mans rectum? Waaaa are you all against civil rights or something?
...And just because they forced them to all masturbate together.. no biggie.. They’d all be circle jerkin’ anyway except without US supervision.
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Sadly, a lot of this was in a U.S. run facility, the general in charge has been relieved and placed under hack. She is up for a general court martial, and the attending punishment.
However, this conspiracy theory of these acts being committed by "mercenaries" at the behest of "unnamed" leaders in Washington is really a bit absurd, don't you think? See above. U.S. military controlled facility. And they bring terrible shame on good soldiers, besides providing inspiration to Al Jazeera and the insurgents. The guilty will not pay enough, and the good soldiers will have to deal with the aftermath.
Another unfortunate part of this is that evidently the British have their own problem of this ilk. Saw some headlines, but haven't read the articles as yet.
This is something that is fueled by anger and hatred. Some cannot deal with their emotions and desires. There is no excuse for the behavior, and I'll make none for it. One reason behind the behavior is the atrocities committed against captured, wounded, or killed coalition soldiers. I said REASON, I did NOT say EXCUSE. Those atrocities were well publicized and not soon forgotten. Unfortunately, these crimes against POW's (assuming they were indeed captured uniformed soldiers of the Iraqi military) will also not soon be forgotten.
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Originally posted by 10Bears
Now I don’t understand why y’all got your dicks in a wad. Our brave soldiers are only doing what those Iraqi scum would do if our boys were captured.
Why do you want to denigrate the honor and character of a good San Diego boy Staff Sgt Chip Frederick.. just because he didn’t know all these millions of rules and regulations.. He tried to get clarification on all these liberal rules.. How was he supposed to know it’s a minor infraction to stick his noodle into another mans rectum? Waaaa are you all against civil rights or something?
...And just because they forced them to all masturbate together.. no biggie.. They’d all be circle jerkin’ anyway except without US supervision.
Troll, joke or just stupid, there was no excuse for that post. I hope Skuzzy comes in and deletes yours and this one. I only quoted you so it would be easy to see who I was speaking of.
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Anyone know what happened to that US soldier who raped and killed that young Albanian girl few years back ?
Edit:
An American soldier has been sentenced to life imprisonment for killing an 11-year old ethnic Albanian girl in Kosovo.
Staff Sergeant Frank Ronghi admitted sexually assaulting and killing Merita Shabiu while on peacekeeping duty in the town of Vitina in Kosovo last January.
Ronghi, 36, was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole, having earlier made a public apology for his actions.
Guess Hortlund wasn't judging in that court... :aok
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Troll, joke or just stupid, there was no excuse for that post. I hope Skuzzy comes in and deletes yours and this one. I only quoted you so it would be easy to see who I was speaking of.
I think he meant it as dry humor.
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Originally posted by stratman
I think he meant it as dry humor.
It was not. There is nothing at all funny about any of it.
It is in fact a deadly serious issue that will prove exceedingly costly in more ways than most can imagine. We've now lost the moral high ground, and as such in the eyes of Arabs and Muslims, we are worse off than before. This is EXACTLY what we did not need. All for the stupidity of a few who cannot practice self control.
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Originally posted by strk
The last time you jumpd my **** you wanted "discussion" - but all you do is attack me. Typical RW tactic - you have no issues in your favor so you resort to ad hominem attacks. Lame.
So put your flame thrower away and say what you have to say and if you have nothing to say then come back when you do.
I was pointing out that I don't recall seeing you post anything positive on this board. You seen to be the Heralder of Doom, Doom, Doom. I was also speculating would you be posting the same if Bush was not President.
That and the fact that you can't type 'Bush' without adding the '*' to it.
And it's funny to watch your panties get tied into a knot.
I'm RW huh? I'll have you know that I neither voted for Bush nor did I hate Clinton for eight years.
Most of my 'attacks' are not politically motivated (ie trying to change your mind), rather they are more personally motivated (ie pointing out that you are acting rather kooky and compuslive to prove your politics).
Have a nice day. Don't let the doom get you down.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
"One civilian contractor was accused of raping a young male prisoner but has not been charged because military law has no jurisdiction over him."
So they can do anything w/o being held accountable.
"Civilian contractor" from security agency or other armed guard etc. means a "mercenary". Geneva conventions don't apply to him, just as any other laws, they can be shot at sight as mad dogs.
I bet this star-sprangled nazis will be released or maybe sentenced to 1-2 years in prison. Anyone remembers Song Mi? How much time did that hangman, Kollie(?) spend in prison? Were any of his soldiers sentenced?
Time to open a new international tribunal for american military criminals.
You can't believe the degree of rage here in Russia after we heard this news. :mad:
Savages. :mad: nazis. :mad: We still remember same photos from USSR in 1941-44. :mad:
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Originally posted by Westy
Yikes. You got me real bad with that hellacious retort Rickles. :rolleyes:
(In all honesty you embarass yourself and it begs the question, "does Saurs' family tree have any branches" with that kind of garbage. Try this web page for better material: http://www.insultmonger.com/generators/ )
OOOOOO!!! Westy comes back with a second "Im better than you" reply!
What Westy doesnt realize is that Saur is giving him the exact amount of attention he deserves!
I rule, you drool! BWAHAHAHAH!!
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Originally posted by strk
man you just revealed volumes about yourself.
Just dying to hear your diagnosis doctor.
Is Westy right? Am I a branchless studmuffin?
YOU decide! NEXT on LibTalk with Al Franken and strk!
LOL
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
It is in fact a deadly serious issue that will prove exceedingly costly in more ways than most can imagine.
I sincerely hope it is so.
Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
We've now lost the moral high ground
Don't fool yourself. To lose something you first have to have one. Given the history of your military crimes and hypocricy this is not surprising. :mad:
Now the whole humanity can see the real face of the "liberators" and "fighters for freedom and democracy".
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The U.S. military deals with its own criminals. No court or tribunal in the world has jurisdiction over them unless granted by the U.S. military/government. As such, and since the U.S. is still a sovereign nation, there will be no international court to try U.S. soldiers on war crimes. Should one be formed, it will not b e recognized. The U.S. has not signed and likely will not sign any treaty that surrenders U.S. soldiers or citizens to an international court. As a matter of fact, I do not know of too many nations who allow "international courts" to hold jurisdiction over their soldiers.
I'll not comment on the outrage of the citizens or government of the Soviet Union over the war crimes of any nation. Skuzzy said we have to play nice.
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Uncalled for Borada. Completely uncalled for.
If you guys want to beat each other up, then why don't you just meet in a parking lot somehere and have at it. This board is not that parking lot.
EDIT: There is a difference between 'playing nice' and having civil discussions about topics. If you are not capable of the latter, then you are a problem for this board.
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ROFL!!! Thsi stuff is awesome - keep it coming lads!
Me? Im gonna head down to my local recuiting office and re-sign. The tempation to kill, rape and pillage is just too strong to ignore!