Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Batz on April 30, 2004, 04:29:29 PM
-
But how hard would it be to take the 9t and make a 9m?
Yak-9M
The Yak-9M was an amalgamation of the wing and armament of the Yak-9D and the fuselage of the Yak-9T, meaning that it differered from the Yak-9D only in that it had the cockpit 40cm further back. It was produced at Factory 153 which was already making the other two variants. Other differences include a better wing surface material (after Stalin told Yakovlev pilots were afraid to fly his earlier designs after the wings stripped at high speed), canopy emergency jettison mechanism, shorter antenna wire and automatic radiator control.
With 4239 Yak-9M built, it was the most common Yak-9 variant during the war.
-
That's a pretty good idea. I've planned to add a 9 or 9D at some point, but moving the cockpit is a pain and I didn't think about this option. It's about the same as a 9D so it could be used as that for events.
-
Y'know, I think that idea is great and I think Yak-9T is almost like Yak-9M. Like this:
F4U-1A is nearly the same as F4U-1 is, but Big modification were therefore made and Birdcage was abandoned in favour of a tear drop canopy which, apart from improving visibility, placed the pilot's seat about 6 inches higher.
Rafe
-
huray batz!
-
wow, great idea thanks batz.
-Sik
-
P-38J-15 would be ez, Yak-3, Yak-9M, Hurricane IIA, Fw 190A-7, there are a bunch that would be fairly ez to put in. Just varients of existing types.
Ju88C-6?
...as for the Yak-9D PLEASE, yes, we need a Yak that has something like a "standard" nose armament ie 20 or 23 mm.
-
Is it not possible to place more optional pods oder mods
to the planes ?
Example the many modifications of the german planes.
Nothing must be changed only the pods options must be
expanded.
There are many options like the R-variants and/or U-variants.
I think all other countries have modifications of the exsisting
planes we have in AH to bring in AH2.
It is only an idea. But it would help i think before we have other
planes to come in AH2.
-
Originally posted by Squire
...as for the Yak-9D PLEASE, yes, we need a Yak that has something like a "standard" nose armament ie 20 or 23 mm.
Doesn't the yak-9u have 2 .50s and a 20mm?
-
Originally posted by BenDover
Doesn't the yak-9u have 2 .50s and a 20mm?
Yep, but the Yak9U is a late war monster, similar performance to the Yak3.
We need a mid war "regular" Yak9.
Camo
-
Yep, but the Yak9U is a late war monster, similar performance to the Yak3.
We need a mid war "regular" Yak9.
So it can go unused like all the other early to mid war planes? :rofl
-
...as for the Yak-9D PLEASE
The 9M is a 9D except that it uses the 9T fuselage. The only other change would be the nose cannon (seemed an easier fix then moving the cockpit and redoing the C of G). It could be used in any event / ct set up that called for the 9D.
In fact in the Kurland setup we have 9Ts subbing for the 9M.
An FM tweak and redo the wing fuel tanks and you get a 9M.
The Yak 3 would need to be a whole new model.
All the other suggested "easy fixes" in this thread added all together ends up being real time diverted away from other things.
-
Originally posted by lasersailor184
So it can go unused like all the other early to mid war planes? :rofl
Another useless post in a quality thread..sigh
-
Originally posted by lasersailor184
So it can go unused like all the other early to mid war planes? :rofl
unused? Look around bud. MA is a second rate playground. The SEA and CT would kill for a bolstered planeset. Time to get out of the kiddie pool :cool:
Back on topic: Excellent thread :)
-
Batz what site did u use to find all this information on the yak.Pryo so u mean u r goign 2 add anothe diferent model of the yak the the 9m or the 9d or yak3?:confused:
-
Again the yak 3 would require a new model, there’s no need for the yak 3 because the 9u is as good. The yak 3 came from the yak 1 line, the yak 9 from the yak 7.
The wings are the most obvious difference.
The 9m is basically a 9D with a 9T fuselage. They have the same wing. We have a 9T. To make a 9M would require a gun adjustment and the wing fuel tank tweak (IIRC they were larger then the 9Ts and the fill cap and gauges were different). Nothing really cosmetic except the tip of the gun barrel.
HT has said no "new planes" until Ah2 is released. I assume that would include any new plane based on existing planes that would require cosmetic work.
Pyro hasn’t even said that the 9m is otw any time soon. I am sure they have other priorities atm. He has said the 9M was “a good idea” and would be “easier” then redoing the cockpit placement for a 9D.
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/yak9m.html
-
Originally posted by Batz
Again the yak 3 would require a new model, there’s no need for the yak 3 because the 9u is as good. The yak 3 came from the yak 1 line, the yak 9 from the yak 7. [/B]
Actually I see several reason to had more yaks :)
And even the Yak3 , the 1M etc ...
But I'm biased see : http://www.nnavirex.com/skins_pilotes.htm
-
If it were realistic I would say give us them all.
btw I agree a NN painted Yak-3 would be a fun planes to tear up the furballs in.
But I am biased as well. G-14 please :)
-
ok it's a deal ;)
-
When it comes to variants, I want to try and get the most variety for the fewest number of variants. Hence, you wouldn't see a Yak-9D if I did a 9M because it would be completely superfluous.
The Yak-9M is a great suggestion because it requires very little resources to make. A few minor cosmetic changes to the shape and a new skin. Much of the flight modeling work would already be done because of the -9T.
-
seems there are more yak9ms made than yak9d's is this true?
-
By February of 1943, the Yak-9M was in production. This standard version was armed with one 20mm cannon and two .50 cal. machine guns, all concentrated in the nose of the airplane. The wingspan was reduced, and the ribs were made of lightweight duralumin. The engine was upgraded to the 1,240 hp. M-105PF-3. The Yak-9MPVO was a night fighter variant equipped with a searchlight and a radio compass.
The Yak-9T was an anti-armor, ground attack version that entered service early in 1943. It was usually armed with a 32mm or 37mm cannon and had wing racks for 5.5 pound anti-personnel bomblets in special containers. Later in 1943 came the limited production Yak-9K, which featured a 45mm cannon. The Yak-9B was another limited production version, this time a light bomber variant with internal stowage for up to four 220-pound bombs in a bay behind the pilot.
The Yak-9D, introduced in the summer of 1943, was a longer-range escort fighter version carrying additional fuel in two outer wing panel tanks, and an optional tank under the cockpit. (Soviet pilots must have been viewed the latter as a mixed blessing.) It was powered by a 1,360 hp. M-105PF-3 engine.
this info conflicts in production dates...
long-range "Yak-9D" variant was introduced at roughly the same time, and featured four wing tanks, giving the machine a range of 900 kilometers (560 miles). The VVS had acquired a need for a longer-range fighters as the Red Army was now on the advance, and it was not always possible to have forward airfields behind the lines. Over 3,000 were built. The additional wing tanks led to a reduction in performance, and so in early 1944 a number of aerodynamic improvements suggested by TsAGI were incorporated into Yak-9D production to compensate.
The "Yak-9M" was as a modest change to the Yak-9D, with the cockpit moved back to improve production compatibility with the Yak-9T. This was actually an improvement from the pilot's point of view as well, since moving the cockpit back did not reduce the pilot's view, while it helped reduce the degree of noseheaviness that the Yak-9 had inherited from the Yak-7.
The Yak-9M was also fitted with a jettisonable cockpit canopy, an engine dust filter, and other minor refinements. The variant went into production in the spring of 1944, and over 4,200 would be built.
-
I certainly can understand your reason Pyro :)
For me it's more sentimental than anything as in the MA I'm more a Typhoon dweeb than a Yak dweeb because it fit more how I fight .
Citabria I've 4239 9M and 3035 or 3038 9D in my documents.
(but sadly only 282 yak9UT :D)
-
Straffo, I was just talking about the 9D. I agree on the Yak 3, but that's more like a new plane than it is a variant.
-
The Yak-9D, introduced in the summer of 1943, was a longer-range escort fighter version carrying additional fuel in two outer wing panel tanks, and an optional tank under the cockpit. (Soviet pilots must have been viewed the latter as a mixed blessing.) It was powered by a 1,360 hp. M-105PF-3 engine.
isn't this more a 9DD than a D ?
hmmmpfff I need to read more accuratly.
I thought it was a quote about the long-range version (and so DD) not a increase in range
missed your post Pyro.
I agree the Yak3 is a complete new plane :)
What is your alcoolic weakness btw ,I know HT love for Cragganmore but you ?
(it's a not so stealth bribe attempt :D)
-
dunno straffo I wouldnt consider those quotes reliable I found them searching for yak9m numbers.
-
See my edit Citabria I misunderstood your quote
-
but sadly only 282 yak9UT
lol you ask for a lot don't ya :)
-
Yep I know Batz :)
Concerning production dates it perhaps depend of the plant.
-
Would Ju-87G be a great addition on low-cost development?
P.S. Ju-87G used the same airframe and engine as the Ju-87D but with addition of 37mm cannon pod on each wings.
:)
-
Would Ju-87G be a great addition on low-cost development?
P.S. Ju-87G used the same airframe and engine as the Ju-87D but with addition of 37mm cannon pod on each wings.
:)