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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 68DevilM on April 30, 2004, 04:50:22 PM
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puffy ack too accuret. shot me down with one hit at while flying 15k abouve it........ok thats it;)
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"puffy ack" or 88mm flack is just fine!
if you fly in a strait line it will hit you, and with a 88mm round it only takes 1 hit.
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Develop a rhythm, when the flack bursts give a slight aileron turn. The next burst a slight turn to the other direction. This keeps you from bleeding too much speed, yet keeps the laser-guided ack from turning your pretty plane into scrap metal. About the time the ack bursts is about the time the ack on the ground fires, and it is guessing that you will fly straight and at the same angle/speed.
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
puffy ack too accuret. shot me down with one hit at while flying 15k abouve it........ok thats it;)
I rarely get shot down by puffy ack. Dont even bother trying to avoid it as it rarely even hits me.
Now the other stuff you get at low alt is another story entirely
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in the war puffy ack didnt hit squat. but if it did hit you you were down. many an ace was killed in ww1 and ww2 not by an airborne opponent, but by freak 88mm hits
and how can you post a whine about puffy ack. thats like addmiting to stupidity. like being shot down by a PT boat when you just want to add an 11th kill to your ten :D
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Originally posted by mechanic
in the war puffy ack didnt hit squat. but if it did hit you you were down. many an ace was killed in ww1 and ww2 not by an airborne opponent, but by freak 88mm hits
and how can you post a whine about puffy ack. thats like addmiting to stupidity. like being shot down by a PT boat when you just want to add an 11th kill to your ten :D
what are you talkin about i was at 15k theres no way that ack is that acuuret
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
what are you talkin about i was at 15k theres no way that ack is that acuuret
88MM FlaK ROUTINELY fired rounds as high as 30,000 feet.
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Anecdotes......
One I read, a biography, cited an occasion where 16 shots fired by 88's dropped 4 US aircraft, including 2 B24s.
If the stuff went off within 50ft of a spit, the shrapnel stood a very good chance of shredding the plane and the pilot.
At least thats what he said..
SKurj
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
what are you talkin about i was at 15k theres no way that ack is that acuuret
addmitedly puffy ack (or 'archie') was rarely affective. i do appologise for the PT remark, i just think that posting awhine about archie is silly. (although it has made a good little topic for discussion:aok )
i find that it never bothers me untill a freak hit gives me a pilot wound, or failing that, rips my plane to shreds instantly
Remember, it is designed to kill you, therefore it must do it someties or they would have made a new anti air method:D
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Originally posted by mechanic
addmitedly puffy ack (or 'archie') was rarely affective. i do appologise for the PT remark, i just think that posting awhine about archie is silly. (although it has made a good little topic for discussion:aok )
i find that it never bothers me untill a freak hit gives me a pilot wound, or failing that, rips my plane to shreds instantly
Remember, it is designed to kill you, therefore it must do it someties or they would have made a new anti air method:D
i know i was just pissed because yesturday flew in a mission and it took like 20 minuetes to get to target and before i ever got a chance to dive blam you have been killed, great that was a waist of time:eek:
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I rarely get shot down by puffy ack. Dont even bother trying to avoid it as it rarely even hits me.
Now the other stuff you get at low alt is another story entirely
thats what im saying it sems like a inconvenient fluke gettting killed by it ecpecially at 15k, screwed up thing it happened more than once to me
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Can't say this for sure, but i think it kills you quicker the faster you go...
SKurj
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Devil,
Was your experience in the OzKansas map?
My squad was mustering a JABO anti CV raid when the puffy ship ack took 3 of us out in a manner of minutes. No 'killed by' messages, therefore it was automated stuff.
I'd be almost willing to wager that the auto lethality setting was a little higher that night or on that map than in general, because, like others have posted, the 88 stuff rarely hits in the other maps.
Just a thought.
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I never get hit by ack, don't even try to dodge it either.
It sure bogs down my comp though.. which is worse than getting hit =\
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no it was on the current map up in the ma
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The AI puffy ack is a *****. There doesn't seem to be anything you can do to avoid it, it'll just puff around your plane whatever you do. And all you can do is hope it doesn't hit ya. In the game it will rarely hurt you, but AFAIK it's the only 'random' way to die.
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
thats what im saying it sems like a inconvenient fluke gettting killed by it ecpecially at 15k, screwed up thing it happened more than once to me
Oh I've been killed by it at different alts several times. Usually when I get killed by it its of the 1 ping variety.
But that happens to infrequent I dont even bother trying to avoid it
While it wasnt that effective it did manage to cause some damage as these pics will show.
Then again after looking at these pics I dont know if these aircrews would agree that the flak wasnt that effective lol
On October 15, 1944 "Little Miss Mischief" took a flak hit on the left side near the ball turret. The blast threw the right waist gunner to the floor, with shrapnel in his foot. See the next photo for another view of this hit.
SOURCE: B-17 In Action by Squadron/Signal Publications
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/body/floor1.gif)
Another view of the flak hit to "Little Miss Mischief", this shows the mangled fuselage and ball turret. Incredibly, the ball turret gunner's only injuries were the loss of a little toe and frostbite from the high altitude.
SOURCE: B-17 In Action by Squadron/Signal Publications
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/body/turret1.gif)
This B-17 took a direct flak hit in the waist over Debrecen, Hungary which killed three crewmen and wounded two others. Threatening to come apart in mid-air the pilot nursed it home to a safe landing, but the weakened fuselage collapsed on touchdown.
Text and photo source: Air Classics magazine, July 1972
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/body/sidehole.jpg)
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Some more evidence of flak ineffectiveness LOL
1st Lt. Lawrence DeLancey managed to get his B-17 back to England after a direct hit by flak killed two of his crew over Cologne, Germany.
Source: Air War Against Hitler's Germany by Stephen W. Sears
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/nose/nose5.gif)
"Gold Brick", a B-17G of the 100th Bomb Group, 349th Bomb Squadron, was lucky enough to make it home to Thorpe Abbotts after the mission to Buchen on April 7 1945 when flak claimed the right stabilizer. She was repaired and late in the war flown home to the States sporting 100 mission symbols.
SOURCE: Castles In The Air by Martin W. Bowman
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/tail/stabil1.gif)
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Must have been in a P-47D-30.
D30s are routinely knocked down by the CV ack 15 miles away at 22k, wether you're doing slight turns or not. I'd say it's about 30% kill rate on me, no other plane I fly gets hit so often, not even straight and level B-17 formations at 12k. I'm betting there really is a jug bug.
Boozer
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Originally posted by Boozer2
Must have been in a P-47D-30.
D30s are routinely knocked down by the CV ack 15 miles away at 22k, wether you're doing slight turns or not. I'd say it's about 30% kill rate on me, no other plane I fly gets hit so often, not even straight and level B-17 formations at 12k. I'm betting there really is a jug bug.
Boozer
Booz...
I will take a piece of that action :). Any fighter (and I do mean ANY) that I have flown into the 88's for much more than a minute has been shot down. I avoid the freakin stuff like the plague.
Heck, once a while back, I was on a streak of 8 entries into 88 mm ack and 8 deaths to it. HT decided he would wing with me. We flew into some 88mm over a CV. Result....NB go BOOM!!! I ended the streak at 9.5. Next trip in, it only killed my engine :).
One thing I did learn, the targeting code for the 88's is entirely random (just like AW...the fargin randomizer hates me :D). Bottomline, you stay in it long enough, the odds are gonna getcha.
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make me think twice now, when i fly into it thats for sure
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NB,
I only use F4UDs and F6Fs to loiter over CVs. I'll often keep 10-12k over it and direct incoming crusier gunfire for periods of 4 to 8 minutes and don't recall ever been hit. Constant turn, y'know.
I accept occaisional hits when I decide to fight near the CV inside it's umbrella jumping zekes with my spit or pony after they come out of ack. I don't have a problem with how that part of the code is working. Bombers could even use a few more hits, they get away with level stable inbound flights way too often.
But if I use a P47D-30 otw elsewhere (using slight jinks as soon as I see the puffs) while multiple lower, closer & slower targets exist between me and the boats there's more danger than ever.
Someone even noticed just the other day as he was flying near me, where's that ack coming from and why is it so heavy, I answered there's a CV in this sector and it's because of my ju... yes, died.
This is the situation I'm talking about and I consistently get whacked with 1 hit wonder shots 10+ miles away at 20k. I don't call that eventuality, that's goofy.
It sure seems some code that affects high, distant jugs shoulda been meant for buffs. But if you know for sure that it's totally random, I get better dice rolls in real life :)
Boozer
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one point would be that flak in real life took time to re-aim... so turning/changing alt worked, in this game the ack is ALWAYS on target and re-aims instantly on a moving target
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
just like AW...the fargin randomizer hates me
Gotta admire the discriminatory nature of some subroutines. :cool:
mullah
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Originally posted by RDSaustinTX
Gotta admire the discriminatory nature of some subroutines. :cool:
mullah
Welp, I will have to see if HT can add the ID "mullah" to the subroutine :D.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Welp, I will have to see if HT can add the ID "mullah" to the subroutine :D.
While your at it, can you check with him and see if "SlapShot" is in the table ... cause I swear to God it must be there.
I could be 30 miles away, 30K and that summuna-biatch still fires at me ... :D
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Oh I've been killed by it at different alts several times. Usually when I get killed by it its of the 1 ping variety.
But that happens to infrequent I dont even bother trying to avoid it
While it wasnt that effective it did manage to cause some damage as these pics will show.
Then again after looking at these pics I dont know if these aircrews would agree that the flak wasnt that effective lol
On October 15, 1944 "Little Miss Mischief" took a flak hit on the left side near the ball turret. The blast threw the right waist gunner to the floor, with shrapnel in his foot. See the next photo for another view of this hit.
SOURCE: B-17 In Action by Squadron/Signal Publications
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/body/floor1.gif)
Another view of the flak hit to "Little Miss Mischief", this shows the mangled fuselage and ball turret. Incredibly, the ball turret gunner's only injuries were the loss of a little toe and frostbite from the high altitude.
SOURCE: B-17 In Action by Squadron/Signal Publications
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/body/turret1.gif)
This B-17 took a direct flak hit in the waist over Debrecen, Hungary which killed three crewmen and wounded two others. Threatening to come apart in mid-air the pilot nursed it home to a safe landing, but the weakened fuselage collapsed on touchdown.
Text and photo source: Air Classics magazine, July 1972
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/body/sidehole.jpg)
I wish HiTech would make dammage look some what like that!
Can you imagine flying that 17 home with a hole that size?!
Simply amazing
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Originally posted by SlapShot
While your at it, can you check with him and see if "SlapShot" is in the table ... cause I swear to God it must be there.
I could be 30 miles away, 30K and that summuna-biatch still fires at me ... :D
Welp, knowing how well HT spells.......anything is possible :D.
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
I wish HiTech would make dammage look some what like that!
Can you imagine flying that 17 home with a hole that size?!
Simply amazing
So do I.
But can you imagine all the whines of people who have done visable damage like that to a plane and whine about it not dieing.
Actually I'd like ot see graphical damage like they had in "B17 The mighty 8th"
the contrails at alt would be cool too
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those pics are truly awesome.
we must remember to take our hats off to the pilots and crews of bombers
it defies beliefe that they even made it home
*stands up and salutes to the pilot who flew that b17 home with the direct hit*
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Originally posted by AdmRose
88MM FlaK ROUTINELY fired rounds as high as 30,000 feet.
and up to 35...and F4U-4's are especially easy targets at that alt..
I got picked off at 28k a few times...it happens...planes arent made or iron, either...
They had 88MM in WW1? :confused: