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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nilsen on May 01, 2004, 03:35:16 AM
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Is this day celebrated by the working class on the entire planet?
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lol Nilsen
1. According to our poetist, its time for Love (lovers)
2. According to former communist party, its holy day for all workers
3. For Eu, its day, when size of Eu become double (aprox.)
Im not sure but since today Eu should have about 450 mil. people, coz 10 new countries did join Eu on 00:00 / 1.5.2004
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hehe...you are a EU citizen too now lada :), do you like it?
i was wondering how many countries celebrate this day aorund the globe every year :)
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yup im new Eu citizen....
well let me put it this way.
We have strong corruption here and most currupted departments are those who work with Eu....
im lucky that i do not need passport to travell around and i dont need horde of permtions to work around Eu...
But i do not see so many things, whitch could make me proud to be part of Eu
let give it time and see what happen.
anyway we has learned that one who doesnt rob the goverment, rob the family, so we will survive somehow :D
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LOL :D
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well Nilsen you probably didnt hear what average Czech do.
When goverment preparing some new Law, average czech working hard on methods, "how to go around". So most of our laws are only for bellow average people.
When czech bussiness man sell his company you can bet, it will go bankrupt in few months, because some horrible obligation will appear.
When police stop you coz of speed, he will ask for 50 € fine. You only said .. ohhh thaaatt muuuchhh ??? ... uhhhh ... ahhh ..
could we sort it some other way ?
and police will tell you. What do you mean and its right moment to say may be you could lower this fine, its toooo hiiigh and he agree, so you give hime for example 20€ and when he is about to give you a confirmation about payment, you only say, thanks i dont need it :D => bribe :D
When average czech shall pay someone 2 hours of his work, he rather do it himself, no matter that he will make it 10 hours.
you are lucky to live so far away
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I heard that the first May Day was in America in the 1800's.......
funny how we don't celebrate it and even more strange that most Americans don't even know what May Day is or about.
The USSR used to have nice military parades on May Day... that's what I remember most about May Day when I was a kid
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Labor day is celebrated in September in the United States. September 6 is the day to celebrate labor day. can't the europeans get anything right? as far as a day of celebration, you must first put in a year of appreciable labor in order to be able to celebrate your labor day even though you are celebrating it on the wrong day. sheesh, we will have to invade you. you guys do everything wrong.
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My god Storch do you ignore your own history ?
I'll give you the year as you already have the day and the month : 1886
It's not related to the 1894 events.
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storch..
The man or woman speaking infront of the class is called a teacher. His or her job is to tell you things that you as a student should try to remember.
The books they gave you are not for resting your forehead on, nor is the pile of books there to block the teachers view.....they are for reading.
:)
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Mayday may be the most ancient religious festival in the Northern Hemisphere. Ritual human sacrifice to a death/fertility/nature goddess was practiced until the 1st Century BC.
The observation of Labor Day on the first Monday in September is usually attributed to the Knights of Labor who held their first parade on September 5, 1882. But more important is the Haymarket Riot of 1886.
There are several interpretations of what occurred, and monuments have been constructed to both the demonstrators and the police. A reasonable summary is that the labor organizers were peacefully demonstrating for an eight hour day, an anarchist threw a bomb in to the crowd, which killed a policeman, the police killed several demonstrators and some policemen, the powers that be arrested the labor leaders.
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Nilsen...that baby still hasn't come?
That would be awesome if it arrived on May day....you being a Euro commie and all. ;)
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I thought Labor Day was because of president Cleveland incompetence and not because of the Chicago killing.
I'm wrong so ?
In France it's both the Haymarket and Fourmies event who are celebred
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Originally posted by Curval
Nilsen...that baby still hasn't come?
That would be awesome if it arrived on May day....you being a Euro commie and all. ;)
hehehehehe.....Eurocommie :D
Im actually fairly far to the right when it comes to politics and May 1. belongs to the working class.....i do not :cool:
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We only stopped celebrating mayday during the heyday of anticommunism.
debout les damnes de la terre!
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Debout les forçats de la faim
La raison tonne en son cratère
C'est l'éruption de la fin
Du passé faisons table rase
Foules, esclaves, debout, debout
Le monde va changer de base
Nous ne sommes rien, soyons tout
;)
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From a different perspective, this morning has been a little on the exciting side.
It all started last night when a couple of small cups containing candy mysteriously appeared on our porch.
This morning commenced with wife taking 7 yr old daughter unit down to the local grocery store and harvesting the likes of peanuts, M&Ms, marshmallows, Hershey Kisses, and tootsie rolls.. oh.. and styrofome cups.
This was immediately followed by a frantic assembly line of taking samples of said items, placing them in a cup, decorating said cup, then stealthly distributing said cup to a neighbor and announcing it's presence by ringing the doorbell and running away post haste.
Of course, this was in between events while our own doorbell was being rung by hoodlums who also left containers of morsals.
May baskets. Gotta love em.
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I guess I don't know my own history, but I don't like organized labor so the significance of May 1st has eluded me. I think organized labor is just the slackers wanting to get the same conditions and treatment that the go-getters receive. If you work for a man and you give 100% irrespective of the initial conditions there is no way that your worth and merit will go unrewarded. I have in my life been at the bottom and earned my way to the top with my attitude, work ethic, and willingness to perform as part of a team. I've also seen the "well what's in it for me types" they get nowhere, unless of course they are part of a communist system er labor union. then they just bankrupt the company.
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Originally posted by storch
I guess I don't know my own history, but I don't like organized labor so the significance of May 1st has eluded me. I think organized labor is just the slackers wanting to get the same conditions and treatment that the go-getters receive. If you work for a man and you give 100% irrespective of the initial conditions there is no way that your worth and merit will go unrewarded. I have in my life been at the bottom and earned my way to the top with my attitude, work ethic, and willingness to perform as part of a team. I've also seen the "well what's in it for me types" they get nowhere, unless of course they are part of a communist system er labor union. then they just bankrupt the company.
Organized labor helped get america to where it is today. Where the average worker can make his way to the top. Of course, like most things it has become corrupt with power and does not represent what it originally set out to do.
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Originally posted by storch
I guess I don't know my own history, but I don't like organized labor so the significance of May 1st has eluded me. I think organized labor is just the slackers wanting to get the same conditions and treatment that the go-getters receive. If you work for a man and you give 100% irrespective of the initial conditions there is no way that your worth and merit will go unrewarded. I have in my life been at the bottom and earned my way to the top with my attitude, work ethic, and willingness to perform as part of a team. I've also seen the "well what's in it for me types" they get nowhere, unless of course they are part of a communist system er labor union. then they just bankrupt the company.
Do you really think you would work in the same condition they were working ?
I guess no,you're not stupid.
So aren't you a form of Euro-commmie-trash-union-whatever yourself ?
The really laughable part of your post is the use of the word "ethic" if you think the capitalists of the XVIII had "ethic" you've been abused ...
It was not lala-land and it still exist (were do you think our "ethical" companies outsource ?).
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Seriously, we were taught May 1st was "Commie Day" in school. But we were also taught "Duck and Cover". I see now it's just Euro Day Off. :cool:
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I disagree with that opinion. I don't believe for 1 minute, I didn't believe for 1 minute what we were force fed in middle school civics regarding the formation of organized labor in America. Even then my young republican heart railed against the propaganda spewed forth by the lefist school system. I would take comfort in the evening by reading about Carneigie, Gould, Rockefeller, Morgan and our own beloved Henry Flagler who with his own money built the East coast of my beloved Florida. But for the very negative results brought on by a few eurotard immigrant communists and anarchists that were the backbone of the labor movement I believe America today would actually be ruling the world. Now what could be wrong with that? We Americans must learn to eschew european obfuscation as well as all things euro. Still the very fact that the labor movement flourished is a testament to the superiority of the American way.
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it's like speaking to a wall
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On the one hand you say that the darwinian model is good as a religion. in the same brain you also hold that the darwinian model is bad for economics. which is it then? you confusing eurotypes, what am I to do with you. I know I'll treat you like a lady. You seem to throw logic out in all your arguments ergo all europeans are actually femmes.
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nilsen, your wife squeeze that kid out yet?
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Originally posted by storch
On the one hand you say that the darwinian model is good as a religion. in the same brain you also hold that the darwinian model is bad for economics. which is it then? you confusing eurotypes, what am I to do with you. I know I'll treat you like a lady. You seem to throw logic out in all your arguments ergo all europeans are actually femmes.
for once I'll write like you using as little formatting as I can will you ever notice how painfull a text badly formatted is a pain to read ? plus were did I speak of Darwin ? where did I say you're an studmuffin ? if you speak of logic live by your own words : tomorow to show your boss your true commitement and faith in capitalism you will say him proudly : since today I'll stop working 40 hours per week as I'm not a union lazy bastard I'll work 70 hour per week and to show again I'm not a lazy guys you can pay me the equivalent of 20 workhour I don't need more since my faith in your ethic is great. Sound stupid and badly formatted ... I know :D
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btw Storch ,if you fail to see the point try to decipher this :
(http://www.csdeschenes.qc.ca/st-guillaume/images/brique.JPG)
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who posted my photo on the web?
straffo don't be angry, just come to your senses. here. repeat this mantra every day. America is great, I want to be an American. soon you will be thinking and feeling much better. being french while a serious handicap indeed, can with work and effort be overcome. ask the Arcadians.
Peace
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The most pernicious form of relativism is that practiced by certain conservatives, who believe that historical facts are "opinion", and therefore we're free to choose the history we like the best. In that case, the argument becomes.
A) They did mention something about the brutal exploitation of labour in the late nineteenth century in school.
B) I also heard about the great captains of industry of the Gilded Age.
C) It's all relative; I'm free to choose my history.
D) America is the greatest country in the world; a moral beacon and a shining example of what the republican work ethic can do.
E) Therefore, A) never happened, for otherwise there might be a reason to those unions, that stand for inefficiency and obstruct the way of profit.
You can't argue with that.
My opinion, of course, is that republican aliens colonized this planet in 1960, and shaped every current republican in their own image, from donkey manure and horse testicles.
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Originally posted by storch
who posted my photo on the web?
straffo don't be angry, just come to your senses. here. repeat this mantra every day. America is great, I want to be an American. soon you will be thinking and feeling much better. being french while a serious handicap indeed, can with work and effort be overcome. ask the Arcadians.
Peace
My god again !
Stop now or take some history lesson.
Do you have any idea of the real reason the Acadians (not the Arcadians) are in the US now ????
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If you work for a man and you give 100% irrespective of the initial conditions there is no way that your worth and merit will go unrewarded
LOL :rofl :rofl you're kiding, right? exactly what fairy-tale do you live in?
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Just a minor note you may want to consider. the maritime provinces were discovered by Samuel De Champlain and Arcadia was named as such by Jean Verazzano as La Arcadie because of it's lovely trees. Champlain himself referred to it as Arcadia, hence the people are Arcadians. My Paternal grandmother's last names were Cutie, Deschamps My Paternal Grandfather's last names were Cervino, Broussard. I have cousins with the last name of Boudet, Deschamps, Broussard, Boucher and Cutie. I might know a little on the subject.
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So here we have a person who is an apathetic leader, commie union member too no doubt. I rest my case.
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Oops my bad didn't know this.
For me Arcadie is almost mythlogical and in Greece, so I thought you just mispelled.
It's just a confusion ,I didn't wanted to be offensive.
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Btw it didn't change the "grand chambardement" ?
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oooops wrong thread congrats on the Kid Nilson
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commie union member too no doubt.
union member anyway.
united we bargain, divided we beg
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Looks like the whole family are May kids after all, congrats :)
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there you have it need I say more?? never met a union worker that was worth much sorry to say.
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No straffo you are correct, the Arcadians today are called Acadians in the united States and Canada. I believe that the ones that went to the Caribbean called themselves Arcadian. that is where most of my heritage lies in Hispanola and Cuba. My Paternal grandfather was Italian.
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I sure like reading your posts, Dinger.
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Originally posted by storch
there you have it need I say more?? never met a union worker that was worth much sorry to say.
I'm sure you haven't. they usually have laid off the non-union welders before they bring us in to fix their work. it avoids conflict.
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I own the welding shop. Prior to that I was employed as welder and worked many union jobs including Florida International University and the expansions of the Miami International Airport. My comment wasn't a dig it was a personal observation.
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I won't speak of the unions in the USA as I don't know what the do or have done in the past.
But here they made all economic partner (worker and employer) follow some rules for both (but each still whine it's unfair but it's part of the game :p) and massive strikes are part of our culture :)
Still there is some parts were the unions are over represented and preverve more their interest than the interest of the average worker.
Overall the situation is satisfying for all and balanced.
Concerning Arcadie/Acadie your familly come from Poitou, Brittanny or else ?
I've seen some documentarys about Acadie ,Louisiane or the Cajun (mostly because of the 200 year of Louisiana purchase) it was very strange for me to see people speaking French like 200 year ago.
A sort of archeological treasure (I don't write this to be derogatory) it was strange to see people having kept their specificty for so long.
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collective barganing is a good way to get better conditions. Unions however are ALL corrupt and care less about workers than management does.
Unions are even more lazy thant most of the people they represent. In order to make the best use of a union one should throw the one they have just before the next negotioation... they only real work the union does is recruitment and first time negotiations.
lazs
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That is a very good assessment lasz. when I was working at State funded project we started the contract as a Union shop I was an employee at the time. my first job as a supervisor tasked with the entire project, 100 or so employees. The guys they sent from Union hall spent 1/2 the day wasting time at $25 and change an hour. I got into huge fights with the shop stewart and finally kicked the whole crew off, they sent more. The same story. I got the owner of the company to break his contract with the local. I went and got some Central American welders that I knew from other jobs. We paid them scale and finished the job with no more hassles. This may not be the case all around the country but it is the reason that we have few union jobs here anymore. Unions have a bad reputation here in Miami and in my opinion deservedly so. Thank God Florida is a right to work State.
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There is something I thik I don't understand , the union are involved in recruitement or did I misunderstood ?
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Capt. Apathy
The guys that work for me are very good and are paid accordingly. They don't have to beg. If they left my shop they would have work the very next second right across the street. Their attitude, work ethic and personal integrity guarantee that. Those are some of the things that are woefully dificient in the Union workers I've met here. again, sorry to say.
Peace
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must be a lot different in your part of the country. in areas I've worked (north of SF cal. to KC, everywhere north of there and in HI) it's a lot different.
non-union is mostly made up of our cast-offs and illegal aliens. there is a very small handful of competent non-union guys around, most are guys who started off in the early 80's when work was so bad that we weren't taking in any new members, they happened to get into a company who treated them well and stayed with it.
they also get a few of our freshly graduated apprentices, who are too young to see the value of benefits and get taken in by offers for $2-5 more per hour over scale, in exchange for $20 in benefits they give up. these guys usually go straight to supervision. we don't miss them much (other than the $40-50k or so that is invested in the training of an apprentice) guys with that kind of lack of loyalty are usually more trouble than they are worth in the end.
very few (usually only 3 or 4 out of 100) non union workers make within $10 per hour of Union scale, and I don't know of any non-Union contractors that offer anything close to our benefit package.
the whole idea that the union is made up of low-skilled guys who need everyone to make the same so they can make a decent wage is laughable. when our apprentices make more than non-Union journeymen (apprentices start at $22 plus the full benefit package).
if most of us are the incompetents you claim, how good would those invisible few whom you've never met have to be? I mean, you say that unions allow the bad workers to suck wages away from the good ones. when you average the worth of all the union guys, and these few guys are good enough that the average wage of them and the worthless masses is still about 30-50% above non-union wages (not including benefits, if you include that union wages are about 110% higher). these few guys would have to be supermen to off-set the average. the math just doesn't work , does it?
the fact is that in a non-union environment, the company holds much more power than the worker. its sort of a proxy set up, where the worker has one unit of power (he can work one job), and the employer has a unit of power for each job he needs to fill.
so while a worker may only have 5 or 6 employers to choose from the employer will have several hundred workers. that situation gives the employer that much more leverage when there is bargaining to be done.
if an employer hires 100 workers, he can afford to have a guy who is only 50% as productive, or pass on an employee who is maybe twice as productive. it has a much slighter effect on his bottom line.
while an employee isn't so lucky, if he does business with an employer who pays half as much it cuts his bottom line in half.
by having a union, you get several benefits. the main one is bargaining power. it levels the playing field. the union controls the bargaining power for all of the employees (and the employees control the union). in that same 100 employee company the power would be equal. the union would control 100 units of labor and the employer would control 100 units of available jobs.
other benefits are a much safer work place. I've worked non-union when I was younger. workers often tolerate huge safety hazards, because they know if the bring it up they will be replaced or given crappy work assignments. in a union shop the employee just tells his steward who reports the problem to management, the employee stays anonymous.
there are many other ways that it is better, too many to list. the situation is better on so many levels when you aren't constantly being pitted against the guy working next to you for your job. less backstabbing, more cooperation, higher quality work (since you don't have to worry about competing with each other, just the other companies, fellow workers are much quicker to help train new guys instead of just trying to point out their mistakes. this combined with the intense training required before a guy can be made a journeyman.)
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Originally posted by straffo
Do you have any idea of the real reason the Acadians (not the Arcadians) are in the US now ????
Just a guess,...
There wern't no shrimp, blackened catfish, dirty rice, or Louisiana hot sauce in Canada?
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:rofl that's good hypothese :p
Let call that the "bubba hypothese" :D