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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: flakbait on November 12, 2000, 10:42:00 PM
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Greebo had an idea in another post (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/006393.html). Only took me a second to figure out a minor variation on it.
Instead of giving the winners points, throw those points towards perk planes for the country that was conquered. Say the Bishops lose the war, and they get 240 points. Those 240 points would go to a pool of sorts for perk planes. Everyone who flys Bishops would effectively have an extra 240 perk points. If someone dies in a perk plane, Ta-152 for this example, the pool would lose 40 points; the cost of a Ta-152. Once depleted, you'd have to use your perk points.
The perk system, as I understand it, would reward people for flying a Hurricane I or Bf-109 E4. That reward would be in the form of a Komet, Ar-234, or some other Uber-plane/vehicle. In effect, saying "if you're willing to get your butt handed to you by P-51D or Fw-190D9 drivers time and time again we'll let you try an Me-262". Rewarding the few for getting blasted by the many.
On the same token, HTC should add an option controling the entire plane-set for offline/H2H play. The perk system couldn't work well in a H2H environment; unless control of that system is given to the host. A simple interface, similar to the field settings menu, would work. Below is a basic idea of what it would entail:
Points required per aircraft: [could be done either with a fixed number for each perk plane, or a customizable number for each plane]
Perked Aircraft: [aircraft list here]
Number of points given per kill of: [aircraft list here; chose an aircraft then enter a number of points for killing it]
Points per kill modifier: [enter a number the points gained per kill would be modified with]
Aircraft Available: [aircraft list here; host can enable or disable an aircraft without fragging field settings]
Perk system activated [this is a push button]
Well?
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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
Whattaya mean I can't kill 'em? Why the hell not?!
[This message has been edited by flakbait (edited 11-12-2000).]
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Oh yes, this is very gut.
It'd encourage gangbanging the weakest enemy, hopping your side can snatch the lasat field before the other gangbanging part does (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}
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Originally posted by StSanta:
Oh yes, this is very gut.
It'd encourage gangbanging the weakest enemy, hopping your side can snatch the lasat field before the other gangbanging part does (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Think you misread this Santa. The idea was to give the LOSING team the bonus perk points. Way I see it is that the two gangbanging teams would then start fighting each other to PREVENT the losing team from losing. Kinda like it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
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can someone point out a instance where htc acctualy implemented one of these ideas? if its not their baby you are wastin your breath
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Were do you get all that info, guys? I am reading the same HTC's posts and they say nothing of the sort. What they say is:
They may implement a plane score modifier that will affect a pilot's score.
The score will give a player preference in making the strategic decisions (setting waypoints for the CV) but not affect the planes he may fly.
The so-called "perk" planes are really limited availability planes. They will not be earned in any way. We will get so many "perk plane" points for every hour we spend online, not for success in combat.
miko
[This message has been edited by miko2d (edited 11-13-2000).]
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The problem with giving the points to the losing team is that you offer no incentive to actually take that last field. Wouldn't it be better just to vulch them and boost stats (ie your own perk point tally)?
I think some points should go to the winning team instead.
AKDejaVu
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can someone point out a instance where htc acctualy implemented one of these ideas?
Erm.. what planet have you been hiding on towd? Are you saying the FM didn't change in 1.04... and if it did change.. it was solely because HTC felt it was wrong and not from any customer input?
Sheesh.
AKDejaVu
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"Sheesh."
Towd's got some hair across his butt in regard to HTC. Why he participates here is beyond me to figure. Especially when he has such hostility towards HTC and AH.
-Westy
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AK,
I remember the AH community saying the 1.03 was SOOOO good and the WB FM was SOOOO arcadish, and now in 1.04 we suddenly got the WB´s FM in AH.
Go figure.
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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
[This message has been edited by Maniac (edited 11-14-2000).]
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Maniac... what you remember is a discusssion on the topic.. both sides were presented by people inside and outside of the game.
HTC obviously remembered that discussion too. Basically, the change wasn't done on a whim... and without customer/potential customer input.
As far as the arcadish argument.. last I tried.. you still couldn't continually flat-turn near blackout without worrying about stalling the plane.
AKDejaVu
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I like the new FMs alot excepting departure behavior and the N1k.
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Originally posted by Maniac:
AK,
I remember the AH community saying the 1.03 was SOOOO good and the WB FM was SOOOO arcadish, and now in 1.03 we suddenly got the WB´s FM in AH.
Go figure.
They invetented fly-by-wire (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Right after the Open Beta, I started a thread talking about strategy on the Gameplay/Feedback forum. HT added some comments as well did some other individuals.
It appears to me that the current strat system is very much based on what was suggested in that thread.
Ergo, I believe that HTC uses customer feedback and implements suggestions.
It probably won't be exactly what you suggested the first time out, but if it is reasonable, and you are willing to take that first boulder of a suggestion you can chisel it into a Michelangelo of an implementation.
I bet that HT and Pyro read the forums and if someone suggests something reasonable, they will consider implementing it.
Another Example would be the ICONS, they are considerably different from what we started with.
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"Looks Mean as Hell! Clare Lee Chenault.
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When?
"Downtown" Lincoln Brown.
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I remember the AH community saying the 1.03 was SOOOO good and the WB FM was SOOOO arcadish, and now in 1.03 we suddenly got the WB´s FM in AH.
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I miss 1.03 in more than a few ways.
I dont miss 1.03 in just as many ways.
Since 1.04 I believe that energy, rather than being retarded, is now over exaggerated in most instances. The lack of a decent compression model and the unpredictable success of the .50 cals also weigh in on my mind. Film?...nah, just observations.
Im thinking, if too much time isnt spent on PT boats, that these features will get revised and balanced soon. Im hopefull.
DO NOT get me started on adding the Chog to what was otherwise a nicely balanced sim.
Yeager
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I am pretty darn sure HTC's reads / implements customer suggestions if they fit into "The Game Vision".
I have had a couple of my suggestions directly implemented.
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"Best is the trash talk. Severly and viciously going after your enemies, their mothers, and their shabby sheep."
StSanta
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I thought this might help a country that was being over-run. A few times I've watched as the Knights were pushed back to just 5 fields remaining. Sometimes we got a few back, other times we lost another one. My way of thinking is this:
If a country is being, or has been, over-run the sight of superior aircraft coming up to meet the enemy might change things. In effect, trying to stall the enemy offensive by using aircraft that out-perform the stock stuff people fly. Maybe it'll help, maybe it won't I just don't know. Komets shooting up to intercept that buff over your last field would get their attention. Same goes to see a King Tiger tank suddenly appear in that VH, 88mm trained on your fuzzy butt.
I'm trying to give the little guy a break by supplying superior armor and aircraft. Being on the losing side sucks, we all know that. Maybe giving you a little extra performance, or armor, would help. You could, in theory, take this farther by allowing people to fly a SINGLE perk plane if their country is out-numbered 3-1. It could even things up. Then again, it doesn't matter if I handed you an F-16C complete with AMRAMM load-out. If you can't fight the enemy in a standard aircraft, why hand over something like a Ta-152 to you?
The basic idea of this thread figures you can kill the enemy deader than hell when necessary and NOT die. The greatest miracle of warfare is when the little guy, beaten to a pulp, rises up and kills his attacker. Announcing to everyone "Come and try me, unless you try fast I'll plaster all your sorry butts!
This idea is simply trying to give the little guy that chance to win.
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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
Whattaya mean I can't kill 'em? Why the hell not?!
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Sounds like a decent idea to me. Lets just cover a scenario where one team is down, the side swappers see ta152's popping up from the down tean, and all jump over to get in one..
SKurj
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"I am pretty darn sure HTC's reads / implements customer suggestions if they fit into "The Game Vision"."
This is djust it aint it? does HTC even have an "Game Vision"?
HTC where do you see AH in lets say 1 year from now?
Regards.
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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
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I see where they've taken input and added it because it was a feature they had not thought of. I've also seen people want features that are already being implemented and that juist shows you that HTC has an active custemr base that is often on the same wavelenght that HTC is.
Maniac you're really foolish to think that HTC ise working on a day-to-day schedule without
a gameplan.
I've yet to see anyone who has visited HTC or gone to the CON say these folks are winging it and have no idea what they are doing or where they are going.
AH is no where near being in a "maintenance mode" nor is it in any way shape or form stagnant. Constant growht is a key feature here. And it's not based on HiTech or Pyro coming to work on a Monday and figuring by Wednesday it would be kEwL to add a PT boat.
I've not visited HTC nor did I make the CON either and yet I feel that they know exactly what they are doing, what they are building and how they will implement additions over the next year and beyond.
Just because you're not in amongst the Inner Circle.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
(p.s. Skurj has a good point. .squelch Towd & Maniac.)
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 11-14-2000).]
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Westy....
Quit defending HTC from people like Maniac and TOWD. You can't win.
These guys that pay their money and complain, complain, complain, just amaze me. I don't know how they can part with their money each month for a sim that keeps them awake at night because its not what they want.
Ignorem Westy, if AH is as bad as they seem to think it is, they'll go away, and your replies just gives them a reason to stick around to get the last word.
SKurj
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"I don't know how they can part with their money each month for a sim that keeps them awake at night because its not what they want."
It could be because there aint no other alternative.
Or one reason for all the squeaking could be that some of us see the potential in AH wich aint being used.
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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
[This message has been edited by Maniac (edited 11-14-2000).]
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can someone point out a instance where htc acctualy implemented one of these ideas? if its not their baby you are wastin your breath
At least one instant (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/001063.html)
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Give it time Maniac...
Were you there in the beginning of Warbirds or Air Warrior?
Remember Aces is still a gleam in poppa's eye compared to those 2 sims relative to its age.
SKurj