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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Voss on December 29, 2000, 11:50:00 PM
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P-51H
The reason? Well, the 13th flies nothing but the 51 (rarely anything else, anyway), so offering any other perk is pointless. I know, I know, it wasn't available in WWII, and the 13th has too many great pilots to give them such an awesome plane... yada yada...
Thought I'd ask, though.
Voss 13th T.A.S
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P-47M-1
Why? Because the 56th FG in Aces High flies the jug exclusively during squad ops, and this Thunderbolt variant *did* fly in WW2, and only with the real 56th FG. Best of all for HTC, all they have to do is give the D25 a paintjob (externally identical) and power up the engine for 475mph top speed (designed to intercept V-1s, but never used for that purpose) and 4.9 minutes to 15,000ft. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
Thanks for your support. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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F-16 baby. I want to compete with all the CHogs out there.
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Lt. Col. Aaron "txace-" Giles of the 457th BG
"Fait Accompli"
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G.56 "Centauro"
Engine: Daimler-Benz DB603-A (1,750hp)
Armament: 3x20mm Mauser
Max speed: 700Km/h at 7,000mt
Time to 7,000mt: 7'
Why? Becouse it is dark green, it has a beautiful sleek fuselage, it has a powerful armament and becouse it has 5 sq.mt. of wing area more than the C.205V (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Voss has got it right! The P-51H would make an ideal Perk Ride!
(http://www.13thtas.com/images/P51s/51H1.jpg)
(http://www.13thtas.com/images/P51s/51H2.jpg)
Thunder
[This message has been edited by Thunder (edited 12-30-2000).]
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hmm i would like to see...
ki61
p-40
ki84
ki45
bf110
ki100
hurri2c/d
spitXIV
fw190d9
fw190f8
p-51b
p-47D razorback
g4m
ki44
ki43
p-38J
P-38F
Me262
mosquito (fighter and bomber versions)
ju88c4
that korean war stuff like the p-51H dosn't interest me.
in fact I think the P-51D should be perked and the P-51B added as standard mustang available to all.
it was after all the greatest aircraft of ww2.
this would make more sense. after all the p-51d was the definitive ww2 mustang and make no mistake. it has serious visibility advantages and more firepower (more rounds of ammo as well even w 2 guns) that more than compensate for the slight loss of performance over the P-51B.
this way the p-51b will be a common sight in the MA.
i also think the f4u1c should be perked so that the f4u1d would become the mainstream corsair in the MA. currently if you meet a corsair in the MA its most likely an f4u1c which is kinda unfortunate.
yes I to am in a mustang squad and I love the aircraft.
this is not a luftwobble p51 is uber whine. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
it makes a lot of sense if you look at perks as an actual combat ww2 aircraft to look forward to. it would also make the p-51b a viable aircraft used often.
would it be so terrible to perk the p-51d and in its place give the MA a standard issue p-51b?
this is after all a ww2 sim i hope.
Not as many folks would be flying Aces High if it were a korean war sim and the p-51h&k is a korean war bird by most accounts.
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Well Cit, you DO realise that if the P51D is perked HTC will also have to perk the F4U-1C, N1K2, Seafire II, Spitfire IX and F6F5.
Each of those planes has a lower 'ENY' multiplier than the P51D, and therefore are more 'uber' aircraft than the stang (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Boy oh boy, is this gonna start something (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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=357th Pony Express=
Aces High Training Corps
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The P-51H had NO involvement in the Korean War. Only the F-51D Mustang was used there.
However the P-51H did manage to equip some units during WW2, as did other non-combatant US wonderbirds like the F8F and F7F.
The P-51K was a P-51D made in NAA's Dallas plant with an Aeroproducts propellor instead of the Hamilton Standard. It was slightly inferior in performance.
The P-47M was simply a P-47D-30 airframe fitted with the 2800HP R-2800-57(C) engine with a larger CH-5 turbocharger. The P-47N had the same engine, but it had a larger wing with internal fuel tanks. Both saw combat in significant numbers.
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Gimme a P-38K BAAAABYYY!!! =) =)
I agree with perking the P-51D and CHOGs.
One thing is to say "it flew in the war" and "it was the most widely produced P-51 version", but another thing is to put it in a game where people fly fighters from ALL time periods of the war. In the war, you would not see a P-39 in Europe in late 1944... they had been taken out of service by then because their performance SUCKED by then. So in order to keep the "performance" of the planes in the MA balanced, the high performance, late war planes should become cheap perks..and the P-51 should be the first on the list. If this is not done, HTC would just have wasted time coding and implementing early war planes, as no one will fly them.
So my say is, Perk the P-51D, make the P-51B the non-perk... but make the P-51D the "cheapest" perk avaliable.
Now CHOGS should be perked as mid-high perk cost, those megacannon, prayer-answering snapshot kill capability is very unbalancing. The F4U-D should be the standard non-perk bird.
[This message has been edited by Tac (edited 12-30-2000).]
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Geez, can't believe it, I do Agree with Cit again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Also wanna 2nd Tac's arguments here, well said guys.
Jekyll: Sorry, but I don't see what you are trying to say. ENY will change anyway.
Maik
[This message has been edited by maik (edited 12-30-2000).]
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P-56'H': it was a WWII aircraft. It was produced and damn well deployed, well before the signing on the Missouri. Enough said. PERK IT!
-Westy
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It woould seem the the P51-H would complement the other Perk Rides. Its not an extreme upgrage from the "D Model" and would make a lot of dedicated "Pony Flyiers" become interested in a Perk Ride. As it stand now I have no interest in any other ride then the "Cadilac of the Sky!"
Thunder
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Cit...
You are in a Mustang Squad which very seldom flies the pony...especially you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The reasoning you have used makes sense, but I don't care for it due to the fact that the D model was standard issue thru most of the war.
Whatever...HT just do your thing and I'll live with it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Ice
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Jekyll the ENY score is an indication of an aircraft's popularity, not ability.
Yes it can be assumed that the more popular aircraft are typically "better". I bet you will see the ENY score of the F4u1D change in the not too distant future, by going down from its current 28 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Oh yeah the seafire and F6F likely have a low ENY score because they are new and therefore popular.
AKskurj
[This message has been edited by SKurj (edited 12-30-2000).]
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The H model 51 was very late in the war and only 555 were made. Top speed 487mph! Hot piston plane. I think it and the P-47M (top speed 473) would make great perks for the people that fly those planes. BTW I knew a guy that had an H back in the mid 50's. He said it would hang on the prop. You could go vert and stall and the plane would hang there and start rotating on the prop from the torque. Cool (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) He few it out of the Pasco, WA airport. He sold it cause it was killing him in gas. He would fly it every week end down to AZ to vist a friend for breakfast. I can't remember how long it took him but it was pretty quick cause he'd be home for lunch.
[This message has been edited by Jimdandy (edited 12-30-2000).]
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Ahem!
According, to account s I've read, the P-51H first flew on February 3, 1945. While it saw production and delivery during the war, the war was over before it saw combat. I wish It had flown during the war, as it would have been quite startling to its Axis opponents. I think that's why you don't want to see it here. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I disagree with the statement that the B model was more prevalent (I think that's what was meant) then the D model.
It was my impression that the D/K model was produced in more numbers then any other variant, or fighter aircraft for that matter (save trainer aircraft and perhaps all versions of the P-47), but I could be mistaken. At any rate, the figures are impressive. 8100+ D models, 1600 of which were built in Texas. The skies of downtown Germany had frequent visits by Mustangs.
Japanese held territories probably saw more B and C series, at first. On that note, the first few books I ever read on P-47's and P-51's indicated a lot of use for a napalm type ordinance that we don't see on AH. I'm not sure how that would work here anyway. But I'm expanding this thread.
The K model limitations juzz mentioned were quickly recognized. While the D model had the Hamilton Standard cuffed prop, the K was fitted with a hollow Aeroproducts uncuffed blade. 20% of these were not useable and they were replaced. Inferior? I don't think it mattered long enough to be considered inferior. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Oh, and later D models had an uncuffed HS with blunter tips. 1500 K's were built in Dallas, which is what the 'K' means.
I don't really want the H. I think the H is not quite the handsome ride the D is. I think the D is just fine, as long as that's what HTC wants. It's all I need! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) But, if you do introduce an earlier variant, I vote for the P-51. No bloody A, B, or C! I would ask for the A36 Apache, but this is a Mustang we're talking about! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I would love to be flying a D model, when I killed an H. heh
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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LOL! sounds like you guys are trying to introduce an RPS for planes by simply perking every plane. There will allways be a "best" standard plane so that one will then have to go on the perk list. Eventually you will have an arena where the only plane that casual players could fly would be the P39. Every other plane would have to be "earned" either by camping online or some sort of behavior that gained points. The result would of course be... The most experienced or cautious pilots would be the ones in the best planes. Why would players that were new or flew in a manner that didn't earn "points" want to even participate in AH?
lazs
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Man ain't the perk "system" just WONDERFUL???? Now everyone with an "axe" to grind about a particular plane wants to perk it. Why the emphasis on the P51???? Give me a break. In this game it's not a mustang, it's a gelding. The speed advantage is minimal, especially in consideration with the G10 and the Yak. The armament settings in the game are pathetically low putting any plane with 6 50's at a serious disadvantage to almost ANY cannon armed plane in the "theater". To fly the 51 you have to be like the dedicated yak or 202 player. You aren't really competitive but you just like the ride. Some can do wonders with it but it is not a plane that creates an imbalance by any stretch of the imagination.
You want to consider imbalance? Go after the osty. I can't see where 40 in WW2 had anywhere near as much impact in combat as they do in this game.
Frankly I think the perk idea is a bad one. The time for separate arenas has come. Use one for early, mid and late war. Create a limited plane set in each one and be done with it. Granted the early and mid war arena's could be small as there is really little interest other than a few "purists". The rest of the game players want the best possible advantage they can get in the plane they fly. That means the late war with the biggest cannons, fastest planes will see the most usage. At least everyone's $30.00 will be equal in that they can fly what they have paid for.
<rant off>
Mav
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absolutely agree maverick...if HTC would put scoring up for MED arena with axis vs allies mid war id fly there all the time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
just rename it historic arena ...is that so hard?
hazed
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Mav.. how bout if they had an early, mid and late war "area" all in the same arena (and map). Make it so you couldn't get from one area to the other unless you clicked on that airfield (and then had that planeset to choose from).
Of course, the "mid war" area would probly still be the most popular and it would be the biggest but the main problem with seperate arenas would be illiminated.... that of no one wanting to go into an empty arena. Choice would be increased. boredom decreased. If you didn't like the action in the mid war section you could look around and see an early war furball and click over there and jump in a P40 or 109E and rip it up in the early war canyon section. Feel like a little late war escort or general pud pounding? click on a late war field and fly around in a -4, spit 14 or late model 190. It would be much easier to get buddies to click around the map than to log out of one arena and into another on the off chance that it would be "better".
lazs