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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Reschke on May 04, 2004, 10:45:55 PM
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There was a bus load of ugly people traveling through the mountains. Well the bus had an accident and it killed all of the people on the bus. So when they got to heaven God said; "Due to the extreme nature of all your deaths I will grant you one wish before you cross into heaven."
Well the ugly people made a line up to the gates of heaven and one by one approached God at the gate. The first person up was one of the ugliest women on the earth. When God asked her what her wish was she said; "I want to be gorgeous."; so God snapped his fingers and she became the most beautiful woman anyone had ever seen. This went on for a while and as each person stepped up and made their wish they all wanted the same thing...................to be gorgeous.
At the back of the line this one man (uglier than homemade sin, might I add) kept laughing his butt off each time the wish was made and granted. All the gorgeous people kept saying; "We don't care if you are laughing we are all gorgeous and you're still ugly."
Well eventually it was the man's turn and he couldn't stop laughing. So God said; "When you stop laughing I will grant your wish." So the man stops laughing after a few minutes and calmly says..."Make 'em all ugly again God!"
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OPERATION HUSKY: INVASION OF SICILY 1943
ALLIES (BISHOPS)
(Land Based)
P-40E
Spitfire IX
Spitfire V
Hurri II C
Hurri II D
Boston III
B-26B (From A74 & 75 only)
B-17G (From A74 & 75 only)
C-47
(Carrier Based)
F4F-4 (From C68 only)
Seafire I (From C60 only)
TBM-3 (From C60 & C68 only)
(Vehicles)
Panzer IVH
Ostwind
M series
LVT's (From Fleets)
PT-Boat (From Fleets & Ports)
AXIS (KNIGHTS)
(Aircraft)
ME-109 F, G-2, G-6
FW-190A-5
MC. 202
MC. 205
ME-110G-2
JU-87D-3
JU-88A-4
C-47
(Vehicles)
Panzer IVH
Ostwind
M series
PT-Boat (At ports and fleets)
ARENA SETTINGS
MAP: Sicily
Morning: 6:15, Evening: 18:45
Fuel: 1.5
Dar: 500 ft, Full Friendly
Ack: .7
Downtimes: Ack: 20 minutes, 30 minutes all others.
SET-UP NOTES:
* C60 is designated the RN carrier, C68 the USN carrier.
* B-17's & B-26 available only from N. Africa (74 & 75)
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Hey!! Spitfires!!!!!! YES!!! :rolleyes:
sorry Reschke:D
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Okay just so everyone knows... spits were not my idea...
Thanks Reschke
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tought you wanted the P-51B as well!!!???
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I believe the carrier based A/C played a very minor role in the invasion and should not be included. Carrier based A/C in the European theater generally were engaged in the U-boat war protecting the convoys.
Don't see what the fuss over spits is all about. They were there and should be included.
P51B should also be in the line up. It was in Italy I believe that the USAAF first cleared them for pure fighter duties. Off-hand I want to say that one or two squadrons were in Theater. Maybe a perked allied plane?
Crumpp
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Heh Slash...
Yet another spit map...
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Crumpp
Don't see what the fuss over spits is all about. They were there and should be included.
The fuss is this: Our collective experience has shown that if a setup includes the Spit 9, the Allied pilots will overwhelmingly fly nothing but the Spit 9. One might simply rename the setup "British Fighter Operations in [choose one: Africa, Sicily, Italy, England, France, Germany, Israel]." Granting that the Spits were there, their numbers were limited - significantly so in this upcoming scenario.
- oldman
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Just so you guys know the Spit IX is limited in some ways. I just have to get into the table itself and see what Jester did when he ran this setup 1 year ago this coming week.
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Hi everyone
As far as i remember, Spit9 usually was perked with 2 perks in such kind of setups (i remember one setup with unperked Spit14 but perked Spit9 hehe). Its fair enough for me.
Just dont forget to reset perks :)
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One way I like to work on limiting an aircraft within a setup is to have it available from specific bases. If I can avoid having an aircraft or vehicle perked then I will do so. Especially since it means that you have to watch out for the milkrunners during the slow times of the week.
Stream,
I thought about the USAAF and decided to wait and do that a little later. If we had a decent Italy map then that is where I would want to run it for sure.
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That explains it, Oldman.
Too much dweebery in the allied camp.......
:p
Crumpp
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The 109F-4 can handle the Spit5/9 just fine IMO.
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oh well a week in MA can't really hurt I suppose....
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If there was ever a scenario that needed Beaufighters this would be it.
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This setup works for me, should be fun!
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If you need some info on it here is somewhat of a good read...
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/Brochures/72-16/72-16.htm
More reading on the air power in Sicily
http://www.usaaf.net/ww2/africa/africapg3.htm
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I wonder if really P-38 see action over Sicily 1943?
Rafe
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Originally posted by Reschke
One way I like to work on limiting an aircraft within a setup is to have it available from specific bases. If I can avoid having an aircraft or vehicle perked then I will do so. Especially since it means that you have to watch out for the milkrunners during the slow times of the week.
Stream,
I thought about the USAAF and decided to wait and do that a little later. If we had a decent Italy map then that is where I would want to run it for sure.
Reschke, I have said it a million times, if the map is to represent something historic then simply reset the milking, during peak squad times, back to the map theme!
The current map is a clasic example: The P-51D was limited to rear bases but when the milking took place, the P-51D was not advanced to the new "rear" bases. At 7pm last night I took it upon myself to swicth to Egypt and capture 32, 33 and 34. I switched back to Israel and now had a P-51D target.....GAZA!!! Not long after that, the squads showed up and used the CV to capture A5 (Tel Aviv). Although that was kinda porked it gave definition to the map theme and plenty of P-51D targets. Jester disabled the CV but left A5 for Egypt. Israel faught hard and won its independnce last night. I actually had fun. Screw the rest of the map, Gaza stripo is all we need :cool:
SO I say again, if the map gets porked, just reset it for squad nights!
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
SO I say again, if the map gets porked, just reset it for squad nights!
I agree 100% with this, heck reset it every day at say...5:00PM eastern, for that matter if base ownership is a critical part of the week's theme.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
tought you wanted the P-51B as well!!!???
Well the 325th didn't have the 51 till 25th May 1944, they didn't get the P-47 till Dec 43... so they flew the P-40F for the invasion of Sicily.
If you look at the second article I put up... the allies pounded Sicily with B-17s, B-25s, B-26s, P-38s, P-40s, A-36s, A-20s, and RAF Wellingtons; before the invasion.
So it is going to take a lot of teamwork this week... What doesn't kill you....
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Reschke, I have said it a million times, if the map is to represent something historic then simply reset the milking, during peak squad times, back to the map theme!
The current map is a clasic example: The P-51D was limited to rear bases but when the milking took place, the P-51D was not advanced to the new "rear" bases. At 7pm last night I took it upon myself to swicth to Egypt and capture 32, 33 and 34. I switched back to Israel and now had a P-51D target.....GAZA!!! Not long after that, the squads showed up and used the CV to capture A5 (Tel Aviv). Although that was kinda porked it gave definition to the map theme and plenty of P-51D targets. Jester disabled the CV but left A5 for Egypt. Israel faught hard and won its independnce last night. I actually had fun. Screw the rest of the map, Gaza stripo is all we need :cool:
SO I say again, if the map gets porked, just reset it for squad nights!
Probably should have put in my last post that the milkrunner theme was in general and did not relate to a specific comment other than the one by "Oleg" in his post here. If I see a map getting run over then I do adjust it and have reset a map several times in the course of a week for playing among the squadrons.
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Originally posted by Reschke
Probably should have put in my last post that the milkrunner theme was in general and did not relate to a specific comment other than the one by "Oleg" in his post here. If I see a map getting run over then I do adjust it and have reset a map several times in the course of a week for playing among the squadrons.
did you do it this week? I noticed it look reset but wasnt sure.
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I reset the Israel map, what was it.... Tuesday morning I think it was. One side was getting pushed back into a corner so I found a time when no one was on and reset the map to re-establish the original "front lines". Base capture and land grabbing is good to a certain degree because it fuels the battles and furballs. But no one wants to be backed into a corner so I try to keep an eye on the arena to keep it from happening too much.
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perk spit9 :)
just for balance or all we will see is spit9s
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By the way, i dont see any allied plane that can deal with 109G-6, 190A5 or MC. 205 besides Spit9.
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Actually with the exception of the spits the remaining aircraft are fairly well balanced. The problem IMHO is not in the AC so much as with the armament. The hispanos are much more effective than they should be and the axis are way penalized. also the automatic fuel tank switching sequence is very good in the allied aircraft while backwards of what it should be in the axis.
the spit9 drains the wing tanks first
the 205 drains the aux first then the main. if you drain the winds first it handles much better. if you forget to switch tanks and the engine quits then you must restart the engine.
the 190's drain the forward tank first. if you drain the rear tank first it performs better.
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(http://www.constable.ca/Bf109F.jpg)
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Originally posted by storch
the spit9 drains the wing tanks first
Just FYI - neither Spit9 nor Spit5 hasnt wing fuel tanks, only single tank in fuselage.
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spit 14 has wing tanks sorry not the 9
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Originally posted by Soulyss
I reset the Israel map, what was it.... Tuesday morning I think it was. One side was getting pushed back into a corner so I found a time when no one was on and reset the map to re-establish the original "front lines". Base capture and land grabbing is good to a certain degree because it fuels the battles and furballs. But no one wants to be backed into a corner so I try to keep an eye on the arena to keep it from happening too much.
Thanks, keep up the good work!!!
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also the automatic fuel tank switching sequence is very good in the allied aircraft while backwards of what it should be in the axis.
A fuel tank whine? Original:D