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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nilsen on May 05, 2004, 05:28:28 AM
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I know that some of you are against rules and regulations, but I think the new F1 rules are gonna be great for the sport :aok
http://www.formula1.com/news/1510.html
some cahnges:
- Engines to last more than one race, with power reduced.
- Engine manufacturers to put forward additional proposals to cut engine costs by 50 per cent. This may be achieved through a new smaller, engine formula, or by extending the lifespan of V10 engines.
- Traction control and electronic driver aids to be outlawed.
- Standard brake discs, pads and calipers.
- Weight limits to be reduced.
- The need for a single tyre supplier.
- The need for a new qualifying system.
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- Traction control and electronic driver aids to be outlawed.
*yawn* we had this the 1994 saison, and now again.
with all the comming changes F1 is transforming slowly into F3000 ;)
And every year a new qualifying system ? why,
just let em race! schumi will sort em out ! :p
IMO F1 should go back to the ´80, over 1000HP with Turbo
and Ultrawide Slicks ;)
R
Gh0stFT
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I would also like to see slicks again
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IMO F1 should go back to the ´80, over 1000HP with Turbo
Ho yeah !!! That would be great. Anyone remember the 76 Tyrell with 6 tires ? :aok
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dont remember it, but ive seen the pictures......cool car
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I think having a single tyre supplier is a step back plus how do you really measure engine costs? I dont think any rule is gonna result in Mindardi and Ferrari suddenly fighting for pole unless you bung every team 20 squillion each year and make sure thats all they spend.
Anyone remember the Brabham fan car?
(http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~bandr/faq1.jpeg)
That huge fan was for 'cooling' not for anything aerodynamic (yeah right) but it was banned after winning its first and only race.
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Originally posted by Ouaibe
Ho yeah !!! That would be great. Anyone remember the 76 Tyrell with 6 tires ? :aok
I remember seeing it race and thinking "WTF is that?" I understood the theory about better traction up front, but at the time I questioned why they went with 4 small tires up front instead of 2 larger ones like on the back.
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
with all the coming changes F1 is transforming slowly into F3000 ;)
LOL! I was thinking the same thing!
I thought F1 was about automotive technology development and advanced engineering such as traction control, turbochargers, and paddle control transmissions. A single "official" tire manufacturer sounds like a step backward to me. Then again, NASCAR runs exclusively on Goodyears so maybe that's the way to ensure parity on some level.
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I dont think so gofaster.... F1 is about good racing. The day that goes completly the fans go too.
But i guess your handle tells us how you feel :D
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Lovely
(http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ac9t-tgn/jpg1/tyrell.jpg)
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It's becoming spec racing, like F3000 and like NASCAR is becoming,
though I am hearing about another F1 style division coming up with very few rules...can't remember name though.
Guess it's more WRC and Trans-Am for me, where the cars actually look like production vehicles.
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I disagree with the need for one tyre supplier; it's more interesting having different makes.
As for the other changes.... well it'll still be the big guns ability to make the most out of the changes. They'll be putting a saloon car engine in them next.
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- Engines to last more than one race, with power reduced.
Bull****. Huge, huge mistake... l
- Engine manufacturers to put forward additional proposals to cut engine costs by 50 per cent. This may be achieved through a new smaller, engine formula, or by extending the lifespan of V10 engines.
Whatever.
- Traction control and electronic driver aids to be outlawed.
Blah.
- Standard brake discs, pads and calipers.
Bull****.
- Weight limits to be reduced.
Whatever.
- The need for a single tyre supplier.
What in the hell for?
- The need for a new qualifying system.
Why?
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Hehehe... guess you are against gun control, taxes and welfare too Saurdaukar. :D
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Yep, yep, and yep.
I wanna shoot the tax collectors from the inner city.
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makes sense....... carry on
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- Engines to last more than one race, with power reduced.
May actually enhance the technological advancement aspect of F1. Not sure how you monitor it from race-to-race, though. I think there will be some fudging going on and that sticking with one-engine per weekend is a better plan.
- Engine manufacturers to put forward additional proposals to cut engine costs by 50 per cent. This may be achieved through a new smaller, engine formula, or by extending the lifespan of V10 engines.
It's probably time to change engine formula. Again, it pushes the technology to reduce size of engine.
- Traction control and electronic driver aids to be outlawed.
Then they'll go back to the situation where the teams with money will come up with creative ways to fudge it. Inability to enforce this and bickering between the teams was the reason drivers aids were legalized in the first place. This is a giant step backward and will further distance the have teams from the have-nots.
- Standard brake discs, pads and calipers.
Stifling technical innovation. Not really in the spirit of F1.
- Weight limits to be reduced.
No prob.
- The need for a single tyre supplier.
This also smacks of stiffling innovation, but what is currently happening is that one team bennefits from the tyre innovations more than others and odd alliances form with only two manufacturers. I say either make it worthwhile for five or six manufacturers to compete, or go ahead and standardize on a spec tyre and make it more about the car.
- The need for a new qualifying system.
Like the tried and true hour qualifying sessions. How novel.
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I'd like to see them basically take the dimensions and displacement from a Lotus 25 and build a formula around that, but with modern safety features. 1.5l, no wings, no electronic BS, skinny tires.
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Funked....are you saying that you want actual racing???? Wow, its not just me :D
;)
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Man... Im still pissy about this.
F1 is the venue for technology... limiting it is total crap.
WAY too many hurdles. Get rid of all this crap and return to the rules of 2 years ago.
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Technology has been limited in F1 for about 30 years now. Nothing new here. The rules of 2 years ago or 10 years ago or even 20 years ago were only marginally less restrictive.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I'd like to see them basically take the dimensions and displacement from a Lotus 25 and build a formula around that, but with modern safety features. 1.5l, no wings, no electronic BS, skinny tires.
Why not just race Formula Fords LOL.
Now theres some racin.
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Originally posted by Ouaibe
Ho yeah !!! That would be great. Anyone remember the 76 Tyrell with 6 tires ? :aok
The P34 used a Cosworth DFV, no turbo.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Funked....are you saying that you want actual racing???? Wow, its not just me :D
;)
Yep, and I'd enforce the aero rules by mandating spec bodywork. Tons of power, cars hanging the tail out, and just enough downforce to keep them safe. My formula would rock.
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Originally posted by txmx
Why not just race Formula Fords LOL.
Now theres some racin.
True, that's pretty close. But if you let the F1 teams build a 1.5l engine they would be putting out about 500 hp. If the formula allows supercharging then 1500 hp.
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They should allow alternative engine technologies like electrical or alternative fuels like corn etc... Perhaps the smaller teams can gain by using a lighter chassis but corn fueled engine etc... I think its time to revise the F1 rules, would like to see that also.
:D
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Not a bad idea, similar to what they did at the end of the turbo formula. Instead of limiting power by restricting displacement or boost, they simply put a cap on the amount of fuel which could be used during a race. Which meant Honda clobbered everybody.
Anyways, it would be a cool way to restrict power while increasing competition and providing meaningful technology transfer to consumer autos.
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im so excited....Mia is gonna see her first formula1 race this sunday :) ...
she is sooo lucky...she will get tits and racing at the same time :D
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Saurdauker - do you actually think F1 could get any worse? Compared to the Senna days it's as boring as hell. Virtually no overtaking on track anymore and any excitement dissappears after the first couple of corners. Neutered tracks make for dull viewing too.
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i agree dowding. its only in the first few laps and during pits there are any overtaking to speak of. If you are lucky someone blows his engine and the positions change abit :o
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Originally posted by narsus
Guess it's more WRC and Trans-Am for me, where the cars actually look like production vehicles.
I wish the Trans-Am races would get more broadcast TV exposure. And the CART financial situation isn't helping, either. Personally, I'm sold on the ALMS racing, where there's a blend of prototypes and highly-mod'd production vehicles. I just wish more manufacturers would support the GT teams. As it is, its Porsche, Porsche, Porsche and more Porsche, and maybe a token Ferrari. Nissan would be a prime candidate to join the GT ranks.
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IMO even on the new Tracks more overtaking is only possible
if they change the F1 brakes. With todays brakes, powering a
straight with 300km/h and brakeing 70m before entering the hairpin,
is just insane. There is just not enough Room left for the overtaker.
Change the 70m to 300m, let the driver brake much earlier and we
maybe see more wheel 2 wheel races and brakings!
*sure, the above statement will only work if M.Schumacher retire ;)
R
Gh0stFT
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Originally posted by Dowding
Saurdauker - do you actually think F1 could get any worse? Compared to the Senna days it's as boring as hell. Virtually no overtaking on track anymore and any excitement dissappears after the first couple of corners. Neutered tracks make for dull viewing too.
Had no idea you were a senna fan. What about Prost? Prost was awsome as well, just that senna is a legend cas he passed away. Anyways I dont think F1 is boring these days. Its still has alot of action and entertainment value though I agree on the braking issue.
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Yeah senna.... last race they focused alot on Alonsos girlfriend.....she is HOT :aok