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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Spatula on November 14, 2000, 10:43:00 PM
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I normally are on in that lull, where all the yanks are asleep and all the euro's are at work. So there is a very small number of people on when im on. Mainly Aussies, some kiwis, a few Asian countries, and insomniac americans, or jobless europeans.
Its very common to have only 14-20 players during the stretch when im normally on (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Now it seems to me that between Aussie and NZ there are some 20 Million people. Not a small population. It must be worth advertising down under to boost players in our timezone. Local magazines, local web sites, ISPs etc.
I'll shuddup by quoting someone who was on last night who is on a 2 weeker:
"I ain't payin $30 US a month to fight 14 people"
PS I dont want to argue marketing again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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We can take advertising in our respective countries on our own. Don't need HTC's permissions. Start webrings, create multiple websites describing the adrenaline rushing, joystick slamming, temper flaring game that Aces High is. In the US the only way we find out about AH is via this webpage or the few squad pages available. Link it to Yahoo under "WWII airplanes" or "WWII models" or anything WWII. Anyone searching for info on WWII airplanes would find Aces High links and would be bound to check it out.]
Of course this is just my unjustified opinion. ;-)
-SW
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Originally posted by Spatula:
I normally are on in that lull, where all the yanks are asleep and all the euro's are at work. So there is a very small number of people on when im on. Mainly Aussies, some kiwis, a few Asian countries, and insomniac americans, or jobless europeans.
Its very common to have only 14-20 players during the stretch when im normally on (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Spatula,
I'm in the same boat as you Spatula as I live in Ozland. I would love to see more people on at nighttime in Oz, btw also like to see lower rate for Oz too (US$30 is AUS$60 atm (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)), that would probably get more people on.
Other option: Log on before work. Yeah I know it means getting up early but at 6am Sydney time there are usually about 50-60 people online.
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Yeah HT Kiwis should get it cheap just coz we kicked the Frogs butts in the Rugby. And anyone who kicks Frog-butt is good (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
As for the aussies, I think they'd make great drones (ya ever heard one talk?).
Hey Spatula looks like our ping times gonna get down under 800ms now they have a new gerbil on the NZ Gateway.
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Spatula,
There are more of us that get online (another sim) than you think......
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~peril/wbraaf (http://www.ozemail.com.au/~peril/wbraaf)
Note - I'm not trying to promote another sim here - just outlining that there is more interest downunder than a lot of people think.
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Definately lotsa interest down here.
Things stopping me personally from signing on are:
Woeful Aussie$
Lag (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Lack of people at "respectable" hours.
Aussie's make good drones Vulcan? I guess we're allowed to after winning the Rugby and Cricket world cups, League (not that that counts for much (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ), Netball, Hockey, Olympics etc. etc. etc., so na na na na naah! :Þ !!!
(you guys do have Warbirds over Wanaka though... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
Cheers,
Rod
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Heya Spat..
Well, I've had to weigh up my other interests (golf of all things, and others) against AH. Unfortunately my other interests have outweighed AH and one of the main reasons is the numbers in the arenas. One of the other reasons of course is the price. For what we pay for it, I just couldn't justify it anymore - at our current exchange rates.
Hope you and/or others continue the rallying though and maybe one day I might be back.
Ex.
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Waaaa Waaaa they would get more server power per user at a lower rate... Waaa Waaaa...
Snifff BoooooHOooooooo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Rodney:
Aussie's make good drones Vulcan? I guess we're allowed to after winning the Rugby and Cricket world cups, League (not that that counts for much (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ), Netball, Hockey, Olympics etc. etc. etc., so na na na na naah! :Þ !!!
I rest my case...
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Spat they should send me all expense paid to Downunda, I'd promte it until I got arrested and deported.
[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 11-17-2000).]
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Yeah its interesting isn't it? In AH during Aussie evenings, we're lucky to get 20 online ... and this is for the 'newest, whiz-bang WW2 flight game on the market'.
Warbirds, with old graphics code, even older FM code etc, regularly draws 40-50 at the same time, and that's just in the WW2 arena!
Having spent the last week flying WB WW2 arena instead of AH ... I think I can understand why it has the larger following.
Now if only someone can come up with the best of both AH and WB - he'd really be on a winner (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
AH Graphics
WB Gunnery
WB Arenas and events
WB planeset
AH 1.03 Flight Model
AH Extras (drop tanks - vehicles etc)
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C.O. Phoenix Squadron
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/phoenix
Aces High Training Corps
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Originally posted by Jekyll:
AH Graphics
WB Gunnery
WB Arenas and events
WB planeset
AH 1.03 Flight Model
AH Extras (drop tanks - vehicles etc)
What, pray tell, is better about the WB Gunnery Model and the AH 1.03 Flight Model than what we have now in AH?
Thanks.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Karnak.. are you serious????????
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You gotta remember Vulcan is a New Zealander guys, and is probably still a little miffed that the only Olympic Gold Medal NZ received was for rowing.
How appropriate ... NZ wins a medal in an event where the contestants sit on their arse and go backwards (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Jekyll,
Yes, I am serious.
I am not familiar with the current WB Gunnery Model so I am curious about what is better about it. The one they had when I was plying WB wasn't nearly as good as the one we have now in AH.
As far as the AH 1.03 Flight Model, the spins (and maybe the torque) are the only things that were better.
It was demonstrated that turns were bleeding way to much energy in pre-1.04. That has been fixed. If you liked it better then that is just part of us each being entitled to our own opinions.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Well Karnak.. turning first to the 1.03 flight model, my reasoning is this (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
IN any game like Aces High, you have to simulate 3 things in order to get the end result you are looking for. I'm assuming that the end result is an accurate representation of WW2 air combat.
1. Flight Model
2. Gunnery Model
3. Pilot Model
OK.. now the pilot model we have currently in AH is laughable. AH pilots currently have infinite endurance, laser ranging eyeballs etc. So the pilot model is WAY OFF.
Now with one in three parts of your game incorrectly modelled, what happens if you perfectly model the other two parts?
Your outcome is wrong .. that's what.
You finish up with pilots able to consistently score kills at longer ranges than WW2 pilots ever could. You end up with aircraft which can consistently fly high + and - G maneuvers which the real aircraft could never do in real life (not due to the limitations of the airframe, but due to the limitations of the pilot).
SO... if you still want to have an 'accurate WW2 flight sim', you simply MUST make allowances in both the flight model and gunnery model. IMHO, AH 1.03 had the right flight model, since aircraft could not continually do the 'high-G roly-poly' they can do at the moment.
BUT.. all this comes at a cost. Toning down the flight and gunnery models means that the game is harder .. and Lord knows .. HTC hates to do anything which makes it harder for people to get kills.
So we finish up with a version of aerial Quake, with an arena full of late war planes with big guns (and lots of them), able to do things their real life counterparts were never able to do.
Unless HTC ever models pilot fatigue, and real life pilot capabilities re + and - G capability, having a super accurate flight and ballistics model means that the game as a whole is LESS realistic ... not MORE.
Make sense?
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Jekyll,
Implimenting a pilot fatigue model is one thing, but making so that aircraft like the Spitfire and Zero, which were great turners, so that they can't turn any better than an Fw190 is BS.
If a way could be found to accurately simulate pilot muscle fatigue and pilot G fatigue, I would have no problem with it.
Now, what about the WB Gunnery Model?
Sisu
-Karnak
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Who said anything about making the Spit turn like a 190?
OTOH, do you REALLY think a pilot could fly a Spitfire in the same manner as the ones we have here in AH?
Take a look at this film (http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/phoenix/images/film43.ahf).
Gunnery model issues follow right on from pilot modelling. In AH, pilots have 'auto laser ranging eyeballs' via the icon system, which allows them to shoot, and score, at ranges far beyond the capabilities of mortal men (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I just happen to think that the current WB guns model is pretty right.. at least.. it FEELS right (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Get in close.. you get the kill. Shoot at ranges over about 400yds and be prepared for him to evade long enough to extend.
Of course, this helps immensely on the ACM front. Forcing the overshoot through high G barrel rolls actually work in WB. Try doing that in AH, where your opponent can sit 600yds back and snipe at you all day long.
Besides, reading Pyro's recent post re AH dispersion, it seems pretty obvious that at the moment dispersion is modelled on a simple random basis.. hardly true to life at all.
But my basic premise is pretty easy to understand (even for a Spit pilot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
You cannot perfectly simulate a part of online air combat without perfectly simulating ALL of it. You simply must 'fudge' on certain issues if the overall effect is to be realistic.
Lets look at it another way. Say you wanted to write the definitive WW2 submarine simulation.
OK. three basic elements
1. Vessel modelling (submerged/surfaced speed, depth limits, maneuverability etc)
2. Detection systems (periscope, radar, ASDIC)
3. Weapons systems (torpedo range, warhead, speed etc)
Now say you coded 1 & 2 perfectly, but your 1942-era US torpedoes NEVER failed to explode, or they ran at 300 kts. Or say you coded 1 & 3 perfectly, but were always given exact course and speed for your targets. Or how about coding 2 & 3 perfectly, but your targets always steamed in a straight line.. or always sank when the first torp hit.
Would it be more FUN than a perfectly realistic sim? Well, I suppose for some it would.
But would it be a realistic simulation of WW2 submarine combat?
Heck.. there's gotta be SOME reason why during my evenings there are 20 in AH and 50 in WB (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Jekyll (edited 11-17-2000).]
[This message has been edited by Jekyll (edited 11-17-2000).]
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Read two articles recently that said the same thing about flight sim software. Seems that flight sim software isn't a big hit with the software companies "Unless" it is capable of being played on-line. Seems that us hard core flight sim junkies are in a minority, an exclusive one, but still a minority. The article stated basically that the companies that produce flight sim software generally lose money on it because they don't sell that well. This being the case, apparently there aren't great numbers of us participating in on-line flight sims compared to other games. Somehow, someway, we have to get more flight simmers to try Aces High. Advertising is one for sure, and getting the word out to AW, WB, etc. Once I tried AH I was hooked. I'm sure others out there who use on-line flight sims knew about AH, and tried it, would also think it much better then the other competing on-line flight sims. Thirty american dollars really isn't all that much for a full month for us in the US. And I'm sure if Air Warrior participants tried AH many would come. Web rings etc. will help, but we need a "hook" to get them to try it. since flight sim participants are relatively few compared to other on-line gamers,the words got to get out not only down under, but everywhere. Maybe taking a hostage or two from competitors would help <G>. HTC needs to draw first time simmers also, AH is great, but we need people to know that.
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Jekyll,
A few points:
A: I did not say that it was perfect. In fact, I said that a pilot fatigue model, don right, would be good.
B: In 1.03 turn fighters were at an unrealistc disadvatage. Boom and Zoom is still better, but now turn fighters are not meat on the table.
C: I have a 19" monitor about 2 feet in front of me. That occupies approxmately 15 degrees of my vision. I run AH on it at 1024x768. HTC chose to give a 60 degree field of view in "zoom out mode" in AH.
In reality, what a pilot would see would be about at the scale that AH has when you're almost all the way zoomed in. It would also be at a far, far greater resolution and detail level (resolution is just plain better, detail can sometimes cause problems) than what any computer can do.
Of course the range icons wouldn't be giving exact positions, but the pilots bifocal vision would somewhat make up for it.
The zoom function in AH when combined with the "wide-view" when zoomed out attempts to replicate through compromise what a real pilot would see. Of course it will always be a pale reflection of reality, but that is the best that can be done right now.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Karnak ... that's exactly my point. We have limitations forced on us by the need for a certain view system (icons etc).
But those limitations do not extend (at least to the same extent) in the areas of flight modelling and gunnery.
Therefore, flight modelling and gunnery have to be adjusted to make up for the deficits in the view system.
P.S. I always thought that turnfighters WERE meat on the table for the BnZ brigade in WW2. If they weren't, the trend would have been to design lighter, more maneuverable fighters as the war progressed.
And we BOTH know that simply wasn't the case!
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Jekyll,
Have you tried to use an A6M5b, C.202 or Spitfire MkVb?
For me, they are all suicide, but at least I can dodge against one aircraft now.
In 1.03 the Zero would bleed all of its energy doing a single 180. I don't think Sakai could have survived in the 1.03 Zero agianst 15 Hellcats, let alone come out without being hit.
I think, as I said, that the Boom and Zoom fighters still have the advantage, especially if you track how often they return to base, but turn fighters have to be dealt with properly now.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Well, if you read Sakai's own account of that fight, its pretty clear he was of the opinion that the Hellcat drivers were dweebs.
But I agree with you: there's no way in hell that a Zeke could survive against 15 Hellcats in Aces High.
Not in 1.03 OR 1.04
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Originally posted by Jekyll:
You gotta remember Vulcan is a New Zealander guys, and is probably still a little miffed that the only Olympic Gold Medal NZ received was for rowing.
How appropriate ... NZ wins a medal in an event where the contestants sit on their arse and go backwards (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
ROFLOLOMA!!!!! hehehe - too true jek (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Extreme:
Heya Spat..
Well, I've had to weigh up my other interests (golf of all things, and others) against AH. Unfortunately my other interests have outweighed AH and one of the main reasons is the numbers in the arenas. One of the other reasons of course is the price. For what we pay for it, I just couldn't justify it anymore - at our current exchange rates.
Hope you and/or others continue the rallying though and maybe one day I might be back.
Ex.
Yer, the dollar situation kinda sux (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) it works out pretty damned expensive - the cost of a new boxed game per month (not that i play anything other than AH). But im an AH junkie - cant quit...
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Originally posted by Torque:
Spat they should send me all expense paid to Downunda, I'd promte it until I got arrested and deported.
Sounds like a challenge - who wants to pay for Torques adventures down-under? We could give daily updates on the BB - i guess there would only be one update as they'd probably kick him out on the 1st day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Spat, just for your information.
Sunday night, 10.30pm my time.
AH Main Arena 28 online
WB WW2 Arena 81 online
Now mind you, in the WB WW2 arena at the moment there are only about 7 different fighters you can fly (early days in the RPS).
It's gotta be something other than price (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Ahh. WB's gunnery. Mmmmmhmmm. One major factor I think is WB's gunnery. With the ever changing "playability" based lethality setting (what will it be this week folks?) and the never miss basketball sized bullets!
That magical word "playability". the word folks in WB's used to use when they looked down thier nose at AW and FA because they fudeged things for <cough> playability. With WB's there is no doubt. It costs five dollars less per month and it is much easier to get kills, allowing for more high kill, chest thumping sorties. Just ask MG he can confirm that. Or read AGW for that matter.
-Westy
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Hey Westy.. where can I get me them thar 'basketball sized bullets'?
WB gunnery easier than AH ?????
Geez guy, you gotta be on crack. I remember our verbal jousts in the 'WB-v-AW' threads on alt.games.air-warrior from years ago ... seems pretty obvious you will NEVER have a good word to say about WB.
So how does that make you any different from MG ?
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... and WB III will have a Linux version (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
G'day Jekyll, Extreme, Spatula ... hehe ... I must say that I miss you all, you bastards!
Golf Extreme?!? Very sad (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Cheers
Yosus
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Different than MG? Low blow Jekyll and uncalled for. The differences between myslef and that deranged drool cup wearing bastidge is readily apparant.
Biggest difference is that at least I've always defended "my sim of choice" in the forumn of "my sim of choice" 2-3 years ago I felt the way I did about WB's from within the context of the game I was flying in then. Now I feel the way I do from the experience of flying this sim. WB's finally just went to a decent and long overdue price structure about a month ago. 3 years too late. Why do you (or anyone esles) feel the need to defend WB's here or on A.G.A-W? I'm on the AH board, defending AH in response. If it means contradicting you with my own opinion of WB's then that is what I'll do. You brought WB's into the discussiont. Not I.
I'd always had WB's on the HDD up to 2.7whatever. I took it off 6 mos ago because it did not hold a canlde to this one. It was on my hdd prior because it had many features that my prior affiliation (AW) did not that I liked very much. Not enough to pay an hourly rate however.
If I needed to save $5.00 a month and felt I could settle for flying the second best sim I'd subscribe to WB's. But the $5.00 a month isn't desperately needed right now so I'm here.
So where do I get my words of choice like basketball sized bullets?? Right from the WB's community at AGW and from what I remember flying it myself. I've been lurking in AGW for over 2 years now. I know more about WB's than you may think or give me credit for.
-Westy
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I concur with Jekyll over the 1.03 FM. It was waaay better than what we have right now . Ok I could condone a tiny tweak to the FM but now the BNZrs are the prey and the turners don't bleed E for nothing, you can only kill the lil rats when they're almost stalling . Planes just keep accelerating with no ends I MEAN WHERE'S PROP DRAG! Torque now is pratically non existant(in previous versions it was accurate those engines produce inmense torque in landing and slow speeds almost to cause a rolling tendency). Specially a plane like the F4U I've flown it in the main arena and that plane when in landing config if full power is applied torque doesn't manifest it self,even when it is well known that planes with 2k HP and those type of large props produce gigiantic amounts of torque.
About the WB gunnery I beg to differ Jek it's sometimes screwy, although,something from WB which is more dynamic is the damage model . In here it needs an improvement ,seems kind of generic always the same systems gets damaged and IT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK AS IF IT WAS DAMAGED it looks like someone took it out for repairs.
Another point worth noting , which I think was true , is pilot fatigue the pilot shouldn't be able to pull sustained G's without causing an effect on the stamina or the pull the pilot in the game can make , a FULL BLACKOUT should leave the controls inoperable or at least degrade the ability to pull the same Gs IF the flight model is not fixed to something similar to 1.03,at least give the pilots some limitations.
Good bye all
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Glasses---I may have 4 eyes ,but you only have one wing.
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Hiya Yosus..you back online?
Anyway, golf is probably a bit like flight sims. First you try it and either hate it and never try it again or you keep prodding. Getting my first PAR in golf is kinda like getting a first kill in Aces High (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)...
And like flight sims such as Aces High, you need a lot of practice with Golf to be any good and you need some good teachers.
Besides that, I'm getting fresh air and my missus is nice to me again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Ex.
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OK Westy, I'll try to take this one thing at a time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The differences between myslef and that deranged drool cup wearing bastidge is readily apparant.
Unfortunately, not as apparent as you might think (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Why do you (or anyone esles) feel the need to defend WB's here or on A.G.A-W?
Read back through this thread. I simply mentioned what I saw as the best mix of features from both AH and WB. I am neither defending Warbirds, nor am I burying my head in the sand and saying 'AH is newer, therefore it must be better'.
So where do I get my words of choice like basketball sized bullets?? Right from the WB's community at AGW and from what I remember flying it myself.
Well hell Westy, you mustn't have flown it for a HELL of a long time. BB size bullets haven't existed in WB since 2.5 or so.
Not that they ever compared with 20mm turbolasers anyway (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I mean, lets get real for a moment. In another thread Wardog mentions how he got a 12 kill sortie in a Typhoon.
HELLO!!!!!?
Doesn't anyone think that's just a little bit strange? Check some of the recent threads on this very BBS.
965yd gun kills, 12 kill sorties etc. Do we REALLY believe the gunnery model in AH is right?
Or is it Westy, that some of the community so dearly love being able to just shoot without worrying about troublesome ACM?
Of course Westy, I would NEVER include you in that quake-mentality group (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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C.O. Phoenix Squadron
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/phoenix
Aces High Training Corps
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"Of course Westy, I would NEVER include you in that quake-mentality group (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) "
Don't bother with the smiley's. The discussion went past being civil with your below the belt comparison to MG. See ya and good luck in your quest.
-Westy.
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Thought this thread was about support for the Aussies! A friend of mine in Melbourne says Australia's like a middle aged woman. Everyone knows it's down there, but noone gives a damn!
GronK
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No Extreme ... I'll wait a bit I think.
I tend to agree with Jekyll's assessment (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Arfann, it sounds like you need a bit of life experience ... I'll go with the beautiful middle aged lady over a twenty something any day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Have you ever experienced Australia first hand?
Cheers
Yosus
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Apologies Westy. On reflection it was a thoughtless comment to make.
I think most of my problem is that I had SUCH high hopes for Aces High when it debutted.
Here was a chance, with all new code, to do Warbirds right! I suppose I just get awfully frustrated by the idea that WW2 flight sim enthusiasts must always be treated to games which pander to the lowest common denominator.
A really good sim is more than just entertainment ... it's the opportunity to learn about real-life tactics, employ them in the sim, and get the satisfaction of seeing them work in the virtual environment.
But it seems that it's always 'game first, sim a distant second'.
But you're right Westy. I should have kept my big mouth shut. I'm no apologist for either Aces High or Warbirds. I just happen to believe that a combination of the best features of both (with a bit of AW thrown in as well) would lead to one hell of an online WW2 flight sim.
But it just ain't gonna happen in my lifetime (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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C.O. Phoenix Squadron
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/phoenix
Aces High Training Corps
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Sorry for tweaking your nose Jekyll. I hated crossing words with you this way and if one thing it's done for me is to help put the claws back in the draw and sit back more instead of trying to be in peoples faces on things such as this. I have a tendency to give a knee jerk reaction to defend what I like <embarassed blush>.
You make many, many good points. As for AH. I think it could or maybe CAN be what many folks want. You've been doing this alot longer than I have and are further along in the online evolutionary scale of things. I'm still the type that's on the fence where as I still enjoy the MA but I really savour the Historical events. Still, I'm not sure I'd enjoy a 24/hr a day historical based sim.
One thing for sure is that AH is slow (relatively speaking. it's like greased lightening compared to AW and WB's) to develop but with the additions to the program and more historical events I'm hoping the numbers increase to where we can have a choice.
I'm hoping that HTC will implement many of the requests for tuning the sim towards more realism that we (the AH community) have been asking to have impol,emented for quite some time. The list you had in your post off the gameplay sections covers the vast majority of the requests.
For me AH is the best I can do right now until it continues to evolve or something else comes along to capture my imagination and wants. I don;t see that with WB III and I don't in WWII Online. Bother are either / or again. WB III is the same as the old AW, the old WB's and what we have here in AH. WWII Online might be fun, but I'm not sure it's what I want to do each time I log.
-Westy
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addendum:
One thing that I have noticed is the heavy drop in community interaction by HiTech and company from the beta and for a short while after the opening of pay-to-play days. It's hard to say (easy to sit and try to guess though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) whether it's because the community has grown much larger and there's too much "noise" here now for them to keep up with us? Or perhaps there's too much bull for them to even try and keep up with al the wrtiting s and postings in here. IT could be they are are even busier these days than even back then to even try to burnt thier time. I'm not sure. But the absence to many direct and valid questions, not to even mention comment about features for AH, is very noticable to me.
-Westy
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I agree, i wish HTC would get involved in more threads. I dont even know if they have even read this (im sure they have). This thread was directed at them.
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Your reply got me thinking Westy, and on reflection there's one thing I hadn't considered which may be colouring my responses.
Living in the States, you have the option of flying in either the MA, SEA or scenario environment.
Unfortunately, here in Australia, its the MA or nothing. Scenarios like 'Afrika Korps' are run on Sundays, which equates to early Monday morning my time.. and unfortunately, I have to work.
So its the MA or nothing, and when I log onto the AH Main Arena and find a grand total of 14 people online I sometimes wonder, "Why bother at all?".
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Originally posted by Vulcan:
Yeah HT Kiwis should get it cheap just coz we kicked the Frogs butts in the Rugby. And anyone who kicks Frog-butt is good (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
You have seen the last matchs ? all the south hemisphere (spelling) teams got kicked even by Ireland (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Muhhahah (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I'd not even though of that Jekyll. I do not know think I could find $30/mo values logging on to "fly" at the time that you do. Even if AH had all those things that many folks have been asking for since quite a time ago. When you log on the arena has 10% in comparison to what I see when I log on and to be absolutely honest, the numbers on at your time of day are not much better than if one was playing H2H.
Got to run. Wife is giving me the "evile" eye for being on the PC today, of all days. I just got your email btw this am. A recipricol on the way back later from me <S>. And even though your in Australia I hope the holiday spriti we're having here today, Thanksgiving, finds it's way to your and yours "down there" and you folks have a grand day too.
- Ken "Westy"
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Ah but Westy, its not $30 a month for Australians .... its nearer $60 a month (when you take into account our pitiful exchange rate).
Would YOU fly an MA only environment with at most 7 opponents for $60 a month?
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That's an easy answer. No.
I couldn't, whether the price is $30 US or $60 Australian.
-Westy