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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on May 05, 2004, 03:46:06 PM
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John Kerry wrote "The New Soldier" in the early 70's. Kerry is apparently threatening the publisher with lawsuits if they ever reprint the book.
On the cover of The New Soldier by John Kerry and Vietnam Veterans Against The War, hippies clad in a mismatch of military uniforms are pictured mocking the legendary image of Marines raising the American flag atop Mount Suribachi in the 1945 battle for Iwo Jima.
In the cover photo that ridicules the Marine Corps Memorial, one of Kerry’s cronies is tugging on our flag, which is hung upside down as the ultimate symbol of sedition and treachery to all veterans who rallied behind our flag in battle.
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Only real heros bravely run away away from their previously staunch beliefs.
Brave, Brave, Brave Sir Kerry.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Only real heros bravely run away away from their previously staunch beliefs.
Brave, Brave, Brave Sir Kerry.
Heh...can you sing the rest of that ditty for us, substituting "Sir Kerry" for "Sir Robin"?
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yet another BIG surprise here from flip-flop.
"remember....I wrote the book befor i disagreed with the book"
(http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/kerry_duet.jpg)
(http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/kerry_french.jpg)
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so people arn't allowed to admit to being wrong about anything anymore...i see...
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Whatch out Guns.... SOB will come and mentaly abuse your for flip flopper jokes.
:D
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Originally posted by slimm50
Heh...can you sing the rest of that ditty for us, substituting "Sir Kerry" for "Sir Robin"?
Brave Sir Kerry ran away,
Bravely ran away, away.
When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Kerry turned about
And gallantly, he chickened out. Bravely taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Kerry.
Originally posted by vorticon
so people arn't allowed to admit to being wrong about anything anymore...i see...
Actually, you don't see... People can admit to being wrong all they want and still retain their dignity, but to suppress an unpopular opinion by threatening to sue a company that was a former distributor of your 'free speech' is akin to saying: 'don't you dare let anyone know about the opinions I had, or you'll be sorry'.
He wants his voters to be free of exposure to his past, fine, whatever, he's a politician, but now he's ready to use legal coercion on innocent third parties to make sure this happens.
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Originally posted by vorticon
so people arn't allowed to admit to being wrong about anything anymore...i see...
I may be mistaken, but to my knowledge Kerry hasn't admitted or even intimated that his anti-war activities were a mistake on his part. Nor has he apologized to Vietnam vets for any of his false statements before Congress, for breaking trust with fellow soldiers still in Vietnam when he returned home, of for the anguish suffered by our POWs at the hands of their North Vietnamese captors when they used Kerry's words to gloat over and torment them. He is a dispicable man, in my opinion, and the exact wrong man to be in the Oval Office at this most crucial time in history.
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Originally posted by vorticon
so people arn't allowed to admit to being wrong about anything anymore...i see...
Sure they are...
They are also allowed to not get votes because of it.
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LIES!!!!! LIES!!!!! LIES!!!! KERRY IS WAR HERO!!!!!!!!
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im wondering a bit about Vietnamies veterans...
People still speak about them as Heros...
From historical point of view, they were nothing but people whitch caused big shame under US flag.
Or do you consider vietnam to be great won in history ?
All around world people mostly present war in Vietnam as lose and shame of US. Some how some people still belive in something else.
What else is it in your opinion, if you dis agree it were nothing but shame ?
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Question no.2
wh people make fun that Kerry is French...
His grandparents were from Europe, but not from France ?
Doest it show some pathetic hates toward France ?
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Originally posted by lada
im wondering a bit about Vietnamies veterans...
People still speak about them as Heros...
From historical point of view, they were nothing but people whitch caused big shame under US flag.
Or do you consider vietnam to be great won in history ?
All around world people mostly present war in Vietnam as lose and shame of US. Some how some people still belive in something else.
What else is it in your opinion, if you dis agree it were nothing but shame ?
Vietnam was a good fight and well worth fighting to try to stop the spread of communism. Unfortunately it was lost on the home front due to domestic politics and in no small measure due to lying pro-communist traitors like John Kerry and his leftist friends....
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My Sister in law is a very staunch Democrat. This woman thought Clinton was the second coming of FDR and Gore the second coming of JFK. I try not to talk politics with her because she likes me and I like her. I'm affraid if she heard some of my views on politics she might let me in her house anymore, she hates Republicans:) (BTW I'm not a Rep or a Dem, I think just a little bit to the right is me, but I'm not voting for Kerry:D)
I'm sitting over at there house one night watching the news and on comes Kerry. Hes talking about this and that, tax cuts for the rich, Iraq war going bad yadda yadda yadda you get the idea. She looks over at me and says "I just dont know if I like Kerry, he just seems so scummy to me. Almost like a Repbublican, I dont know if I can vote for him"
I about crapped myself, I couldnt belive those words came out her mouth. This is a woman that thinks GWB is the antichrist and she doesnt know if she can vote for Kerry.
The point I'm trying to make is if a flamming liberal thinks this way about Kerry and his Waffles. What is a free indpendent thinker going to think about him???? GWB may not be very good but I'll tell you right now JFK is no better.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Vietnam was a good fight and well worth fighting to try to stop the spread of communism. Unfortunately it was lost on the home front due to domestic politics and in no small measure due to lying pro-communist traitors like John Kerry and his leftist friends....
By the time Kerry returned from his service (71), the war was already lost (politicaly). US/Nixon had preplanned to pullout years ahead.
edit: Here is a table of chronology for the vietnam war.
http://campus.northpark.edu/history/WebChron/China/VietnamWar.CP.htm
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Grunz....were you an american citizen when the vietnam war was being fought?
Lyndon Johnson, was dragged kicking and screaming into war in Vietnam and there are many doubts over whether the domino theory was actually at work there.
As much as I admire the Americans for getting involved in that conflict, I think it was a terrible mistake.
And you can talk about 'a good fight' but it wasn't exactly a game of tennis for the soldiers and civilians involved.
Ravs
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Vietnam was a good fight and well worth fighting to try to stop the spread of communism. Unfortunately it was lost on the home front due to domestic politics and in no small measure due to lying pro-communist traitors like John Kerry and his leftist friends....
Yeah, it had nothing to do with the way the war was being waged, with loss of soldiers being taken with a grain of salt. Take a look at how many we lost in that war and if it was worth it. We lost, but communism never took over the world. If one good thing did come out of it, it was that the public pays close attention to casualties and the military does not take the "hamburger hill" approach anymore. We will bomb that hill til it is a crater before we send in waves of soldiers.
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The domestic politics I refer to relate to bad decisions made by Johnson which did contribute to unncesary casualties.
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it's easy to judge after the fact, Grunz.
But which decisions did you have in mind?
Ravs
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U guys just have a problem
Choose a or b.
only two choices conservative and less conservative
called left and right and nothin in the middle.
With 2 choices u can only choose for the best of the worst or worst from the best.
oh lol
i pitty u americans
:D
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Originally posted by ravells
it's easy to judge after the fact, Grunz.
But which decisions did you have in mind?
Ravs
His waffling war on/off ways, the gradual approach and his micromanagement of the war in general.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
U guys just have a problem
Choose a or b.
only two choices conservative and less conservative
called left and right and nothin in the middle.
With 2 choices u can only choose for the best of the worst or worst from the best.
oh lol
i pitty u americans
:D
How many poliotical parties have held the top power in your country over the past 20 years?
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let me come back to you on that one, Grunz.
I must to bed.
night! Nice chatting as usual.
ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
Lyndon Johnson, was dragged kicking and screaming into war in Vietnam...
By whom? It was LBJ who asked congress for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and then it was his decision to build to a force of a half a million troops in RVN.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
John Kerry wrote "The New Soldier" in the early 70's. Kerry is apparently threatening the publisher with lawsuits if they ever reprint the book.
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(http://home.comcast.net/~ripsnort60/newsoldier.jpg)
I dont mean to interrupt your hate fest, but as this is the first I have heard of this issue, would you mind providing a link? Or did Rush tell you?
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Originally posted by GScholz
Heeeeey, you forgot the GScholz disclaimer! Shame on you. ;)
EDIT: Sorry I forgot my GScholz disclaimer.....THE FOLLOWING TWO PHOTOS ARE BOTH OBVIOUS PHOTOSHOPS. IF YOU NEED ME TO TELL YOU THIS YOU NEED TO START YOUR OWN THINK TANK FOR THE MENTALLY CRUTCHED.
yet another BIG surprise here from flip-flop.
"remember....I wrote the book befor i disagreed with the book"
(http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/kerry_duet.jpg)
(http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/kerry_french.jpg)
EDIT: Sorry I forgot my GScholz disclaimer.....THE PREVIOUS TWO PHOTOS ARE BOTH OBVIOUS PHOTOSHOPS. IF YOU NEED ME TO TELL YOU THIS YOU NEED TO START YOUR OWN THINK TANK FOR THE MENTALLY CRUTCHED.
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Originally posted by strk
I dont mean to interrupt your hate fest, but as this is the first I have heard of this issue, would you mind providing a link? Or did Rush tell you?
Ah, the need to discredit the source, eh? No worries, however its "MENS news daily, I doubt you'll understand it...;) here you are:
http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/c-e/erickson/2004/erickson012604.htm
Incidently, questioning a presidential candidate isn't a hate fest, I leave that up to the BOOSH haters like you. ;)
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
By whom? It was LBJ who asked congress for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and then it was his decision to build to a force of a half a million troops in RVN.
By who? Why, PRESSURE FROM CONGRESS! Oh yeah, that was a majority Democrats, as well as the senate. :lol
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I couldnt let this one slip by (see above disclaimor)
(http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/kerry_foreignleader_band.jpg)
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Originally posted by lada
im wondering a bit about Vietnamies veterans...
People still speak about them as Heros...
From historical point of view, they were nothing but people whitch caused big shame under US flag.
Or do you consider vietnam to be great won in history ?
All around world people mostly present war in Vietnam as lose and shame of US. Some how some people still belive in something else.
What else is it in your opinion, if you dis agree it were nothing but shame ?
Lada, a lot of people (myself included) separate the soldiers themselves from the policies of the government that issues their orders. The soldiers (of course with a few exceptions) are heroes for doing their duty when called. It is the government's policies, and the orders that resulted from them, that "caused big shame," as you put it.
Vietnam was not a military victory for the US. Far from it. The images of the US embassy in '75 Saigon are some of the most gut-wrenching things that I've ever watched. The videos of Hueys getting shoved off of carriers to make more room give me the shivers. I think many Americans would agree with me.
But Vietnam may have been a political victory -- one that kept North Korea, the USSR, China, and other communist countries from thinking that they'd get an easy victory anywhere. Of course, that's up for debate, but that's how I see it.
Was it worth it? I dunno.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Unfortunately it was lost on the home front due to domestic politics and in no small measure due to lying pro-communist traitors like John Kerry and his leftist friends....
Sounds like Hitler's analysis of why Germany lost WW1.
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yes grun prob 2 or with luck 3
but.. still the other partys get chairs to and vote on things.
not that they have much power to change but still they resemble the vote of people who didn't wanna vote on the mainstream 2
hate em all
sack fillers they are
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Originally posted by ravells
Grunz....were you an american citizen when the vietnam war was being fought?
Lyndon Johnson, was dragged kicking and screaming into war in Vietnam and there are many doubts over whether the domino theory was actually at work there.
As much as I admire the Americans for getting involved in that conflict, I think it was a terrible mistake.
And you can talk about 'a good fight' but it wasn't exactly a game of tennis for the soldiers and civilians involved.
Ravs
The terrible mistake was letting ********s in Washington keep the USArmy from doing thier jobs correctly.
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Originally posted by -MZ-
Sounds like Hitler's analysis of why Germany lost WW1.
I dont care too much what he thoiught, in actuallity germany lost ww1 because it was worn out and overburdened from fighting a war against most of the civilized world, just like happened again a few decades later, go figure....
But yea, I was veeery tempted to use the words "stabbed in the back." ;)
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
sack fillers they are
Thays why I dont vote.. :) Well unless 11 more AH liberals pony up a for my AH subscrition, then I'll vote for Kerry. ;)
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Originally posted by lada
im wondering a bit about Vietnamies veterans...
People still speak about them as Heros...
From historical point of view, they were nothing but people whitch caused big shame under US flag.
Or do you consider vietnam to be great won in history ?
All around world people mostly present war in Vietnam as lose and shame of US. Some how some people still belive in something else.
What else is it in your opinion, if you dis agree it were nothing but shame ?
The Americans in Vietnam fought as hard and died as painfully as any soldiers of any army before or after them. The difference is, they were not fighting for their own homeland, or for their own freedom. In truth, dare I say, they often fought for things and ideals they didn't fully understand, and yet they fought and gave up their existance anyway, like true men, like real soldiers. They fought and died and those that survived came home to hatred that they did not deserve. These men, who risked their lives, need to be respected and awknoweldged not because they fought for the righteous cause, and in many eyes, it was a righteous cause, but because they risked their necks when their own survival did not depend on it. They need to be remembered and honored and we need to learn from them and from the mistakes of the government that made their experience even more painful.
Judging by your words, you've learned nothing. You enjoy passing judgement. Unlike others on this board, I do not take lightly to your freshreshingly-liberated former Soviet-bloc ignorance masquarading as enlightenment. These are not your people, and you seem to be all the more happy to be dis-associated from them.
You sir, are an ignorant individual.
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So do you have any links to these alligations rip?
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agains I'm starting to be pissed by this kind of propaganda :
(http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/kerry_french.jpg)
I'm proud to be French like you are proud to be american
You would better stop posting such "merde" or I'll do my best to hunt your post and put some photoshoped pict of GW Bush just to piss you.
It starting to really get on my nerve.
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Straffo, the French were instrumental, as you know, in helping us gain our independence. Thank you.
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You see even the French are disguisted by Jean Kerrie....
But he looks so French, plus didnt he go to ritzy French boarding school as a kid?
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Thank Steve :)
It's to much a cliché GRUN, in fact it's pretty hard to get the nationnality of a person just by is photo.
For my personnal example I'm tall (1.85m) ,blond hair ,having eyes with a untranslatable color (they are "pair")... I'm french but I don't fit the cliché of the beret wearing French at all.
Do I think the American look like the Marlboro cowboy ?
Certainly not !
btw look at my childs : they are French Dutch Polish or Hungarish ?
(actually they are a mix of this 4 nationality ;))
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/33_1083828032_momes.jpg)
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
By whom? It was LBJ who asked congress for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and then it was his decision to build to a force of a half a million troops in RVN.
It's one of these things I was told a long time ago (I forget by whom), so I've had to go back to the (virtual) history books on the net. The (perhaps simplistic) impression that I get from them is that LBJ wanted to put into place great social programmes and saw the war as a drain on money (referring to the war as his 'b**tch mistress') preventing him from achieving this.
However he had a bee in his bonnet about communism and felt that the US had to appear to be strong, so increasingly poured more and more resources into the war effort at the expense of the social programmes.
I guess to answer your question, LBJ's involvement in Vietnam was something he viewed as a 'necessarry evil' but it was a decision he must have despised because of the sacrifices it would mean he would have to make on the social policies he really wanted to carry out. - So dragged 'kicking and sceaming' into Vietnam in that sense.
Ravs
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jolie petite famille Fred !
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Merci :)
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nice looking kids straffo. no doubt they look like their mother.
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viet-nam was a catastrophic failure due entirely to the phenomenal stupidity of the pathological liar in the executive office, LBJ should have been tried as a traitor and summarily executed. that was a war where battles were won yet the entire war was a failure. If you love America vote Republican. viet-nam could have been defeated in six months using the technology of the day.
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beautiful kids straffo did they know what nationality they where when they where born ?
Kids are universal something to protect nomatter where they born and what colour.
basicly where all the same nomatter where u come from
so simple.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
beautiful kids straffo did they know what nationality they where when they where born ?
Thanks :)
I think they do'nt care ....
Actually Thibault my son (left pict) doesn't really speak french :D
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Originally posted by straffo
Thanks :)
I think they do'nt care ....
Actually Thibault my son (left pict) doesn't really speak french :D
What does he speak?
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
What does he speak?
baby :)
some examples :
Thibault native language == French == English
une "brrrrrrrr" == une voiture == a car
un "pinpon" == un camion == a truck
une "vavione" == un avion == a plane
un "copetre" == un hélicoptere == a helicopter
Papa == papa == daddy
Maman == maman ==mummy
It's correct but
PapaMaman == Claire (my daughter) :D
MamyPa == grand pére == his grand father
MamyMa == grand mére == his grand mother
and so on :)
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lada... when I bother to figure out what you say I am allways disapointed... do you actually speak in cliches too?
rav.. I was around during the war in vietnam. I did not agree with how it was being fought but.. I had a lot of friends that died or were maimed. I wished that we would have just turned hanoi into a parking lot or got out. It was not so different a time tho as any other war time except that it lasted longer.
I watched soldiers returning being subjected to all kinds of unfair scorn.. I believe that people like kerry added to that... I believe that it was much easier to be a protester against the war... You were more accepted. I believe that he was doing the easy popular thoing then and that he is doing the easy popular thing now and he is trying to evade that fact by simply ignoring who he is/was.
People can change. I have a 30 year old SS tattoo and rode with a bunch of "motorcycle enthusiasts" drug addict dealer you name it... I don't see any way that I could ever run for office but.. I have never tried to explain away my past. I have very little respect for those who pretend to have no past or minimize it.
and that goes especially for those of you who were into the disco scene... You know who you are!
lazs
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Ah, the need to discredit the source, eh? No worries, however its "MENS news daily, I doubt you'll understand it...;) here you are:
http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/c-e/erickson/2004/erickson012604.htm
Incidently, questioning a presidential candidate isn't a hate fest, I leave that up to the BOOSH haters like you. ;)
not really to discredit, I'm just skeptical. I treat people like you just like Reagan treated the russians - trust but verify. Mostly verify.
In fact Im even more skeptical now because this article mentions nothing about Kerry suing or the book being re-published,
fess up Rip, like a REAL man would - you made it up didnt you?
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Originally posted by straffo
It's to much a cliché GRUN, in fact it's pretty hard to get the nationnality of a person just by is photo.
btw look at my childs : they are French Dutch Polish or Hungarish ?
(actually they are a mix of this 4 nationality ;))
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/33_1083828032_momes.jpg)
Chinese? ;)
Nice looking kids there straffo!
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The one on the left looks like Lebeau from Hogans Heros.
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Originally posted by lazs2
lada... when I bother to figure out what you say I am allways disapointed... do you actually speak in cliches too?
rav.. I was around during the war in vietnam. I did not agree with how it was being fought but.. I had a lot of friends that died or were maimed. I wished that we would have just turned hanoi into a parking lot or got out. It was not so different a time tho as any other war time except that it lasted longer.
I watched soldiers returning being subjected to all kinds of unfair scorn.. I believe that people like kerry added to that... I believe that it was much easier to be a protester against the war... You were more accepted. I believe that he was doing the easy popular thoing then and that he is doing the easy popular thing now and he is trying to evade that fact by simply ignoring who he is/was.
People can change. I have a 30 year old SS tattoo and rode with a bunch of "motorcycle enthusiasts" drug addict dealer you name it... I don't see any way that I could ever run for office but.. I have never tried to explain away my past. I have very little respect for those who pretend to have no past or minimize it.
and that goes especially for those of you who were into the disco scene... You know who you are!
lazs
How is he trying to ignore what he did after he returned from the war? Last i checked the info rip posted was outright lies.
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Originally posted by straffo
baby :)
some examples :
Thibault native language == French == English
une "brrrrrrrr" == une voiture == a car
un "pinpon" == un camion == a truck
une "vavione" == un avion == a plane
un "copetre" == un hélicoptere == a helicopter
Papa == papa == daddy
Maman == maman ==mummy
It's correct but
PapaMaman == Claire (my daughter) :D
MamyPa == grand pére == his grand father
MamyMa == grand mére == his grand mother
and so on :)
No baby language for 'Pass the wine' yet? :D
Adorable children though, Straffo. You're a lucky bastard.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
No baby language for 'Pass the wine' yet? :D
Adorable children though, Straffo. You're a lucky bastard.
Ty :), I'm a bastard for sure also :D
Actually there is a word for the wine it's :
Bon pas ,papa / good no ,daddy :)
But I've some year to teach him wine ,it will start in 2014 for him (he will be about 12)