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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: tapakeg on May 05, 2004, 08:36:49 PM
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It takes a little while, but they do show the helicopter crash. VERY lucky all survived. Pilot did a good job of bringing it in over a residential neighborhood.
helicopter crash (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/video/WABC_050504_chopperupdate_video.html)
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I'm glad they're safe but I just want to scream when I hear News Readers talk about anything involving Aviation.
Quote: "The 'Chopper Nosedived......" Aaaaah!
Any chance he could have said: "The helicopter departed controlled flight.."
In my dreams.....
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Wow... glad they made it out allive. I hope they're not too badly injured.
MiniD
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Looks like they autorotated, pulled up too soon, and had a lucky clip there
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Tail rotor failure.
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For a tail rotor failure at that low of speed he sure had good control. Would think that he would be spinning round and round. It did seem that he did nose it over at one point to gain fwd. airspeed.
tapakeg
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Originally posted by tapakeg
For a tail rotor failure at that low of speed he sure had good control. Would think that he would be spinning round and round. tapakeg
He was.
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Man, I don't trust helicopters. Too many moving parts.
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You remember those over acted news report scenes they did for Robocop? That's what this reminds me of. Are all American news reports like this?
Questions:
What on earth was that fat blond girl on about? Wonder what was going through the minds of the people on board, she says? What rubbish. "Oooo you just want to help!" Tripe. You just want to be on TV darlin'.
Why on earth would anyone in their right mind want to tune into a news program later on to see the heavy crane being used to remove the wreck? In Britain this would be a 2 minute news report, no interviews with numpties pretending to be concerned, no returning to the site later to see the crane, no bollocks.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
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right, no bollocks, you'll only have bollocks if mrs posh is aboard :D
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Originally posted by Saintaw
right, no bollocks, you'll only have bollocks if mrs posh is aboard :D
Exactly.
But can you imagine the American bollocks if Britney Spears was on it?
We wouldn't hear the end of it for months.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
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Looks like 3 very lucky people.
Also looks like the tail rotor was turning in the video, although it's hard to tell.
RTR
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Originally posted by Swoop
You remember those over acted news report scenes they did for Robocop? That's what this reminds me of. Are all American news reports like this?
Let's trade.
We get your Page 3 Nudie pic, you get Dan Rather and all the aspiring over-reaction news anchor wanna-bes!
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The tail rotor was spinning, but I think he lost power and had to autorotate. If you look closely both the rotors seem to be losing speed. After the crash you can still see the engine exhaust, transmission failure?
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It's hard to say from the video, but the pilot had mentioned that he lost tailrotor, not engine power.
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Originally posted by Swoop
Why on earth would anyone in their right mind want to tune into a news program later on to see the heavy crane being used to remove the wreck? In Britain this would be a 2 minute news report, no interviews with numpties pretending to be concerned, no returning to the site later to see the crane, no bollocks.
Swoop, correct me if I am wrong. In England, isn't there only BBC, Sky, and ITV available for news programming? And aren't all of these stations national?
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Well he may have entered an auto rotation if he did have a tail rotor failure.
In order to get rid of the torque caused by driving the main rotor you roll the throttle off to idle. Once the main rotor is not being driven by the engine, the torque drops off to practically nil. This would stop, or prevent the helicopter from spinning once thrust is gone from the tail rotor.
Certainly, whatever was the cause, the pilot was very busy and had to react quickly. Just the fact that everyone lived is evidence to the fact that he did a good job.
Cheers,
RTR
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Originally posted by RTR
Just the fact that everyone lived is evidence to the fact that he did a good job.
I agree. If his forward momentum had not carried him off the edge of that building, it appears that it would have been a pretty good landing on that rooftop.
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Swoop said numpties. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
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hmmm..just looked at the video again. The tail rotor was definetly turning, and looked to be under power (they tend to stop pretty quickly if the driveshaft shears).
I'm almost thinking that this was not a tail rotor failure, but a Hydraulic failure. This type of helicopter is a real bear without hydraulics. It is very difficult to control at low airspeed.
There have been recent Airworthiness directives issued to this helicopter type (AS350 series..made by Eurocopter) for hydraulic failures.
I didn't see the main rotor slowing down at all, and in fact the helicopter appeared to be under power the whole time. In autorotation it would have had a much higher rate of sink, and when arrested the main rotor would have slowed very quickly.
Be interesting to see what the cause finally turns out to be.
Cheers,
RTR
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This story hits a little close to home, until just after 9/11 the
company that operates Chopper 4 was based at my FBO. In fact,
this is the second chopper they've lost in 5 years. The first one
was a year old EC-135 that went into the Passaic river,
fortunately the crew made it ok out of that one as well after
a catastrophic failure of the #1 engine.
The aircrew are fine, but the management of this company
has a real tendency to operate "on the cheap". It's gotten so
bad that they have alienated virtually every airport they've
operated out of. I know for a fact they ran out in the middle
of the night owing my company for $8K of repairs on the AS-350.
I just hope the next crew they sucker into flying has the same
good fortune the last two had when something went wrong.
Rino
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Originally posted by Rino
The aircrew are fine, but the management of this company
has a real tendency to operate "on the cheap".
That's not the way to operate ANY type of aircraft. Be sure the FAA and NTSB will be looking very closely at their maint records.
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Amazing nobody got hurt when coming down from the roof onto the other, that looked so big fall and the result was piece of aluminium crap on the roof - with people climbing out...
Lucky bastards!