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Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Ripsnort on May 06, 2004, 08:24:07 AM
Interesting piece from a Stanford editorial:
http://denbeste.nu/external/Harris02.html

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America-bashing is anti-Americanism at its most radical and totalizing. Its goal is not to advise, but to condemn; not to fix, but to destroy. It repudiates every thought of reform in any normal sense; it sees no difference between American liberals and American conservatives; it views every American action, both present and past, as an act of deliberate oppression and systemic exploitation. It is not that America went wrong here or there; it is that it is wrong root and branch. The conviction at the heart of those who engage in it is really quite simple: that America is an unmitigated evil, an irredeemable enormity.

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Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: lazs2 on May 06, 2004, 08:27:38 AM
I allways find it amusing when I hear euros talking about Americans being prejudiced.

lazs
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: straffo on May 06, 2004, 08:29:24 AM
It work both way ,replace America by Europe and you will be true also.
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Naso on May 06, 2004, 08:29:32 AM
LOL, funny troll :)
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Maniac on May 06, 2004, 08:29:44 AM
Im a euro and i dont hate America, i do "hate" (hate is a strong word) anal people like you tough ripsnort
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: strk on May 06, 2004, 08:37:08 AM
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Originally posted by Maniac
Im a euro and i dont hate America, i do "hate" (hate is a strong word) anal people like you tough ripsnort


Europeans just hate Rip?
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: mosgood on May 06, 2004, 08:41:52 AM
About 7 years ago a buddy of mine and I traveled through some of Europe with our backpacks.  In one of the many pubs we explored, I struck up a conversation with a local in the netherlands.  He seemed completely shocked at what had just happened at the Olympics in Atlanta (the bombing).  He asked me how america could let that happen.  He said "America is supposed to be perfect.  The ideal place and everyone is rich and happy.  How could you let the rest of the world down with that bombing?  How could you let that happen?"  

I was really set back with what he said.  It also got me thinking that America really is in the world spotlight.  Kinda of like a Hollywood celebrity that looks glamorous on screen and in interviews and everyone wants what they have, but when the public finds out that they are just regular people with the same problems and sometimes worse, there is a huge disappointment that sinks in and turns into bitterness.
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: lada on May 06, 2004, 08:42:09 AM
well most of normal people doesnt like silly people

only one who generalize it to country hate country are you guys.

nobody but Grunhertz said death to america here

most people here complain about exact persons, institutions and their step


and somebody trying to put it somewhere else and show, that we are as silly as those, who are critized
... its classic defense
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: midnight Target on May 06, 2004, 08:45:51 AM
Jeeeez! Rip. Did you actually read that?

Here's the jist of it: Euro's hate America because they (euros) believe in the Marxist march to socialism and that America is fighting the inevitable tide.








dumb.
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Ripsnort on May 06, 2004, 08:46:26 AM
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Originally posted by strk
Europeans just hate Rip?

:D
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Ripsnort on May 06, 2004, 08:47:10 AM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Jeeeez! Rip. Did you actually read that?

Here's the jist of it: Euro's hate America because they (euros) believe in the Marxist march to socialism and that America is fighting the inevitable tide.








dumb.


I found it interesting, I didn't agree or disagree, I kept an open mind and absorbed the piece.
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Dago on May 06, 2004, 08:47:42 AM
Mosgoo struck on a familiar chord.  Some think we have a perfect nation, and everyone is prosperous.   Of course it isn't true, and when they find the reality doesn't match the fantasy, they get angry.  Don't believe what you see on televison and in the movies, that is not an adequate reflection of anything.

Plus, a lot are just jealous of the fact that we do enjoy a decent quality of life and love our country, warts and all.


dago
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Ripsnort on May 06, 2004, 08:48:04 AM
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Originally posted by Maniac
Im a euro and i dont hate America, i do "hate" (hate is a strong word) anal people like you tough ripsnort


Interesting, I've never felt true hate until 9/11.  Sorry for you, Maniac.
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Maniac on May 06, 2004, 08:53:35 AM
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Interesting, I've never felt true hate until 9/11. Sorry for you, Maniac.


I see that i wasnt wrong on the Anal part...
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: lada on May 06, 2004, 08:55:51 AM
im sorry for my bad english.... but

maniac... ripsnort... some anal advenure ?

chmmmm :cool:
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Flyboy on May 06, 2004, 09:07:55 AM
wow ripsnort!

you have over14,000 posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


thats like alot!
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: deSelys on May 06, 2004, 09:24:41 AM
Please let me try the 'cut-n'paste-fo-tards' things...

Hey! Look! Anti-americans are not Europeans!! They are americans!!!


Anti-americanism by americans (http://www.commonlawvenue.com/) , notebook included (http://www.commonlawvenue.com/Documents_CaseLaw/AntiGovHndbk/AntiGovHBTOC.htm)


If I was a simple mind like the original poster of this thread, I would immediately conclude that all americans are anti-government...Easy uh?
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: ravells on May 06, 2004, 09:33:19 AM
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Originally posted by maniac

I see that i wasnt wrong on the Anal part...


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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I kept an open mind and absorbed the piece.


Must just be my filthy mind :) :) :)

Ravs
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Naso on May 06, 2004, 09:34:40 AM
ROFL Ravells
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: stegor on May 06, 2004, 09:52:16 AM
Rip, just one question: you scan the net to find things like that  or you occasionally run into them???
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: wipass on May 06, 2004, 10:02:45 AM
All europeans hate Americans, death to the great satan !

Gimme a break,

Couldn't think of a nicer country to live in. Oh, that's right .... I am going to live there.  In September I start my History degree at Jacksonville University  ...... With emphasis on American History ..

You should have been at the Eurocon last month when 6 Americans attended (one stayed with me for a week) They all had a great time mixing with Brits, The Dutch, Swedes, French, Germans, Finns, Russians and Portugese,

I can only speak as a Brit, but the vast majority of Brits don't think about America, those that do generally love the Country.

wipass
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Duedel on May 06, 2004, 10:04:39 AM
Sometimes i have the feeling that Rip is the net...
Title: Ya but
Post by: Scherf on May 06, 2004, 10:06:38 AM
You Brits really aren't Euros, are you?


:D

Cheers wipass,

Scherf
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: wipass on May 06, 2004, 10:09:23 AM
Your right  :)  we are not Europeans, trouble is if we say we aren't the rest of  Europe call us little Englanders. Terrible thing  envy  ;)

wipass
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: lada on May 06, 2004, 10:29:38 AM
ROFL wipass :D
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: mosgood on May 06, 2004, 10:39:54 AM
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Originally posted by wipass
Terrible thing  envy  ;)

wipass


  ya... we know what you mean.... ;)
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: capt. apathy on May 06, 2004, 10:42:57 AM
the article was written by an American.  

just a small hint (only works if you are really trying to learn something though).  if you want to know why  (or if) Europeans hate Americans, ask a European.  if you ask a fellow American you're very likely just going to get your own opinion confirmed and some smoke blown up your ass.
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Duedel on May 06, 2004, 10:51:47 AM
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
the article was written by an American.  

just a small hint (only works if you are really trying to learn something though).  if you want to know why  (or if) Europeans hate Americans, ask a European.  if you ask a fellow American you're very likely just going to get your own opinion confirmed and some smoke blown up your ass.

Could it be that Eagler = Lee Harris?
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: SLO on May 06, 2004, 11:07:06 AM
damn RIP...when you gonna learn.....you don't have to be a Euro dweeb too hate Americans.....
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Gunslinger on May 06, 2004, 11:10:11 AM
Why Gunslinger doesnt care wheather or not Europe hates America:

Because I dont care.
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Curval on May 06, 2004, 11:24:24 AM
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
the article was written by an American.  

just a small hint (only works if you are really trying to learn something though).  if you want to know why  (or if) Europeans hate Americans, ask a European.  if you ask a fellow American you're very likely just going to get your own opinion confirmed and some smoke blown up your ass.


lol...took the words right out of my mouth.  Well said Capt.
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Habu on May 06, 2004, 11:33:58 AM
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Originally posted by SLO
damn RIP...when you gonna learn.....you don't have to be a Euro dweeb too hate Americans.....


Yes certain retarded porno snuff film watching illiterate French Canadians also hate American as well, not that any American would care at all.
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Pooh21 on May 06, 2004, 12:39:48 PM
LOL Habu!:rofl
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Ripsnort on May 06, 2004, 12:43:21 PM
With all the animosity replies in this thread, there must have been a hint of truth to the editorial...:cool:  People only react this way when a mirror is flashed before them and they don't like the reflection they see. :eek:
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Nilsen on May 06, 2004, 12:48:19 PM
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Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: mosgood on May 06, 2004, 12:54:03 PM
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Originally posted by Nilsen
(http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/yawn.gif)



LOL  thats a great smiley!!!!!!!!
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Curval on May 06, 2004, 12:55:06 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I found it interesting, I didn't agree or disagree, I kept an open mind and absorbed the piece.


Ahhh Rip.  You said this above and now you are saying that you think it must be accurate because you have effectively held up a mirror in front of some anti-Americans?

Seems somewhat contradictory to me.
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: stegor on May 06, 2004, 12:58:09 PM
Rip, where do you see all this animosity????
I don't really see too much of it......well.... except for you being called anal by someone:D

Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: TheDudeDVant on May 06, 2004, 12:58:58 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
With all the animosity replies in this thread, there must have been a hint of truth to the editorial...:cool:  People only react this way when a mirror is flashed before them and they don't like the reflection they see. :eek:


Could it be that your mirror came from the funhouse? Perhaps it does not give an accurate reflection Rip..  I mean, how many europeans does it take telling you they dont hate americans to convince you??


dude
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: GRUNHERZ on May 06, 2004, 01:00:19 PM
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Originally posted by stegor
where do you see all this animosity????
I don't really see too much of it......well....


I guess you didnt step outside, say sometime early last year when a buch of ueuros were protesting against the evil bad bad usa....
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Ripsnort on May 06, 2004, 01:07:19 PM
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Originally posted by mosgood
LOL  thats a great smiley!!!!!!!!


He stole it from me. :)
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: capt. apathy on May 06, 2004, 01:31:09 PM
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I guess you didnt step outside, say sometime early last year when a buch of ueuros were protesting against the evil bad bad usa....


I can tell the difference between someone saying "I hate what your country is doing" and " I hate you",  can you?

they where protesting agianst what america was doing.  and many americans where doing the same thing, many many more hated it but didn't protest.

people should protest when others are doing something wrong, it's not hate, hell if nothing else they where taking a lead from america and exercising some free-speach.
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: GRUNHERZ on May 06, 2004, 01:33:53 PM
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
I can tell the difference between someone saying "I hate what your country is doing" and " I hate you",  can you?

they where protesting agianst what america was doing.  and many americans where doing the same thing, many many more hated it but didn't protest.

people should protest when others are doing something wrong, it's not hate, hell if nothing else they where taking a lead from america and exercising some free-speach.


Those protestors were full of love  for america and were merely acting in our best intersts in order to show us how badly mistake our actions were...   Aha...
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: StabbyTheIcePic on May 06, 2004, 01:35:29 PM
Rip's cut n pastes are getting pretty bad. Next thing you know he will be reporting on how the chinese are getting set to stop our invasion of iran or something crazy like that.
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Nilsen on May 06, 2004, 01:36:49 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
He stole it from me. :)


Yes i did, and it was just right for thread nr 23234324 on what is basicly the same topic :D
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Ripsnort on May 06, 2004, 01:37:16 PM
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Yes i did, and it was just right for thread nr 23234324 on basicly the same topic :D


:p:p
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Ripsnort on May 06, 2004, 01:38:03 PM
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Rip's cut n pastes are getting pretty bad. Next thing you know he will be reporting on how the chinese are getting set to stop our invasion of iran or something crazy like that.


If its bothering you to read it, then my job is complete. Continue the copy and paste compliments, it means I'm effective.
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Maniac on May 06, 2004, 01:40:16 PM
LoL Ravells
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Goth on May 06, 2004, 01:40:50 PM
I certainly can't remembering asking why....I'm with you Gunslinger, I really don't care.
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: Curval on May 06, 2004, 02:39:57 PM
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Originally posted by Goth
I certainly can't remembering asking why....I'm with you Gunslinger, I really don't care.


lol...showing your indifference by posting on the topic is telling.  You don't care so much you had to tell us all.

:rolleyes:
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: 1K0N on May 06, 2004, 03:37:19 PM
I came to work this morning and tripped on a homeless person sleeping in the hallway...  Yes Europe... America is perfect..... ""NOT""

The homeless person replied with an ouch what the hell... I was trying to step over his Popov Vodka bottle and slipped...
My bad!!

IKON
Title: Why Europe hates America
Post by: deSelys on May 06, 2004, 03:41:17 PM
Ripsnort, you're wrong. It's not a National Massive Animositytm that you're feeling... it's more like a surgical strike pinpointed on top of your head (speaking of mirrors, nice reflection there too btw)...