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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mosgood on May 06, 2004, 01:40:36 PM
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040506/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_apology
About f*ing time he publicly took responsiblity for something. His stock just went up in my book.
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I have to agree. Good call Bush.
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Why should he apologize? Not his fault.
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HAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
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I can't believe he didn't do it yesterday. Just who is advising him anyway?
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Why should he apologize? Not his fault.
As CinC they are his men. The buck stops here and all that.
WTG Bush.
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In the words of Ben Parker (aka.. spidermans' Uncle)
"With ultimte power, comes ultimate responsibility"
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I wish there was this much outrage when American Contractors were burned...dismembered....and dragged through the street like animals.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
As CinC they are his men. The buck stops here and all that.
WTG Bush.
So he should apologize to the king of Jordan?
Makes as much sense as the king of Jordan apologizing for 9/11 or the recent atrocities committed by Iraqi terrorists.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I wish there was this much outrage when American Contractors were burned...dismembered....and dragged through the street like animals.
Hmmm... I doubt he's gonna appologize for that one.
(put your guns down guys.... just an obviouse troll)
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I wish there was this much outrage when American Contractors were burned...dismembered....and dragged through the street like animals.
There are independent contractors that beat prisoners to death still on the job.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
So he should apologize to the king of Jordan?
Makes as much sense as the king of Jordan apologizing for 9/11 or the recent atrocities committed by Iraqi terrorists.
You know...... there is a good point in there (kinda). the difference is that King Jordan isn't CinC for the terrorist that executed the 9/11 atrocities.
Bush is the CinC for the soldiers that tortured those Iraqi prisoners.
But, another way to look at it is that the american people are just as responsible for the Iraqi prisoner issues as Muslims are for the terrorist attacks. They both were actions by individuals... not countries or an entire culture.
I personaly believe that it showed character to take responsibilty for this by appologizing.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
So he should apologize to the king of Jordan?
Not to the King of Jordan. I think that's just the venue he chose to make the apology.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
So he should apologize to the king of Jordan?
Makes as much sense as the king of Jordan apologizing for 9/11 or the recent atrocities committed by Iraqi terrorists.
One can delegate authority but not responsibility. A commander is responsible for all actions by underlings. Bush did right by issuing an apology.
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It takes guts and shows a sence of responsibility to apologise sometimes. It would have been disappointing had Bush not done so. WTG Bush! Sometimes it takes a real man to apologise. ~S~!
It seems that Rumsfeld should resign. He failed as he made his boss, our president look unprepared in this matter as this administration was apparently blindsided by the charges. Seemingly when Rumsfeld got the initial report(s) of prisoner abuse back in Jan., he didn't give it the attention it deserved. His briefing(s) of the president were probably too general and not put in the serious nature that they should have been.
Had this not been in an election year, Rumsfeld probably would have been booted out. Seems politics is going to win out.
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I agree with Funked.
The President can express sorrow and condemn the actions.. but WTF should he apologize?
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I agree with Funked.
The President can express sorrow and condemn the actions.. but WTF is he apologizing?
He is the commander and chief of the armed forces.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
He is the commander and chief of the armed forces.
And as such...
Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I agree with Funked.
The President can express sorrow and condemn the actions.. but WTF should he apologize?
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so far I have no complaints about Bush (on this issue anyway), his reaction to this situation seems genuine and uncalculated.
while his is altimately responsable for the actions of our troops (and contractors aparently), I have yet to see anything that would point any direct blame at him.
things are looking worse by the minute for Rummy though.
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The president represents the US. And him apologizeing for what we did is one of his responsibilitys even if he is not directly responsible. I am finally glad that he is being slightly humble.
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If an apology is going to save lots of lives (many American) why not do it?
What does it cost?
Ravs
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With ultimte power, comes ultimate responsibility"
Actually he never said that.
It was "With great power....."
Bush should apologize, he is the head of our armed forces. I'm embarrassed at the behavior of our citizens, I don't care if the were contractors or soldiers. Apologizing is the appropriate thing to do, then let's make sure it doesn't happen again.
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Originally posted by Steve
Actually he never said that.
It was "With great power....."
Bush should apologize, he is the head of our armed forces. I'm embarrassed at the behavior of our citizens, I don't care if the were contractors or soldiers. Apologizing is the appropriate thing to do, then let's make sure it doesn't happen again.
damn straight
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I may not agree with many of his foreign policies, but I applaud his actions on this subject. Bravo.
Daniel
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Same here. I, for once, am impressed by him.
I wish there was this much outrage when American Contractors were burned...dismembered....and dragged through the street like animals.
Well, I think that it is better to give a democracy lesson to the bad guys than to follow them on the ugly path of inhumanity.
GWB
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Originally posted by SaburoS
It takes guts and shows a sence of responsibility to apologise sometimes. It would have been disappointing had Bush not done so. WTG Bush! Sometimes it takes a real man to apologise. ~S~!
It seems that Rumsfeld should resign. He failed as he made his boss, our president look unprepared in this matter as this administration was apparently blindsided by the charges. Seemingly when Rumsfeld got the initial report(s) of prisoner abuse back in Jan., he didn't give it the attention it deserved. His briefing(s) of the president were probably too general and not put in the serious nature that they should have been.
Had this not been in an election year, Rumsfeld probably would have been booted out. Seems politics is going to win out.
Yeah Rumsfeld left GW out in the wind on this one.
I have always felt Rumsfeld was a little Ck Spelling cenile.
I mean he is just to ridgide in thought and kind of an arse.
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Maybe Rumsfeld has a much different defintion of "torture" than the sensation seeking media?
Maybe he never thought this qualified as "torture"?
I can understand that.
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can't believe I'm doing this
Bush
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Considering how long he's been torturing us, I can understand that ;)
Ravs
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Originally posted by stiehl
can't believe I'm doing this
Bush
I hear ya man! I've always said that if GW'a took responsiblity, I would like him more.... and dag'nab it... he did...
so.. Salute!!!
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Good call Bush? It's too late, he should of done this from the very begining.
...-Gixer
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Geez....don't flatter yourselves with that apology. It's DAMAGE CONTROL. Any person with half a brain would know to say I'm sorry in hopes of clearing things up. Did any of you guys actually think that he WASN'T going to apologize? Sorry fellas, but I don't think he deserves an "attaboy" for this one. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Gixer
Good call Bush? It's too late, he should of done this from the very begining.
...-Gixer
Bush didn't apologize and doesn't have to. In case you missed the fine print, he said "I was sorry for the humiliation suffered by the Iraqi prisoners and the humiliation suffered by their families." He didn't say "Im sorry for what the US did.".....cause that would be inaccurate.
That is how I feel. I felt sorry for the people who where subjected to this crime, yet I'm not going to apologize for my whole country. The people that are responsible will be punished and they are the one's who need to apologize.
And if anyone deserves an apology, it's the guys that were subjected to this humiliation.....not Jordan's King or the "Arab world"
Why is it that the "Arab world" needs to hear an apology? They offer no appology for any of the waves of terror their peers subject the world to.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Why is it that the "Arab world" needs to hear an apology? They offer no appology for any of the waves of terror their peers subject the world to.
Because they're oppressed, and we're teh oppressers!
You must have skipped that day in liberalism 101.
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First he was saying the people responsible will be dealt with... but he was not apologizing the first time.
He only apologized after he was requested to.
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I think Rumy should resign.
He should have given PoW status to prisonners in Afghanistan. That would have shown America's strong ethics.
Just imagine the US treating them well after they supported Ben Ladden. That would have completly invalidated Ben Ladden's claim that the US is moraly corrupt.
Instead he just ignored the Geneva convention and reinforced some people's belief that the US is moraly corrupt.
Claiming morale superiority means that you have to be nice all the time not only when it pleases you.
Hard to imagine someone doing a worse job then Rumy did.
Bush did the right thing by offering an apology. :aok
Might have been political ***** but then every politician does it.
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Something I don't like about politics, is that one can never tell if an act or statement is sincere, or just politics.
Whether it be either, or both, I think it was the right course of action. Even if it was politics, it still good that he did it. At least it shows that he's acknowledged the wrong doings there, and is taking steps to correct it. And it's better than not saying anything at all. Overall I think Bush is handeling this well. It wasn't his fault that he was kept out of the loop.
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Originally posted by Weavling
Something I don't like about politics, is that one can never tell if an act or statement is sincere, or just politics.
Whether it be either, or both, I think it was the right course of action. Even if it was politics, it still good that he did it. At least it shows that he's acknowledged the wrong doings there, and is taking steps to correct it. And it's better than not saying anything at all. Overall I think Bush is handeling this well. It wasn't his fault that he was kept out of the loop.
Everything is calculated politically. Anyone in politics that does not do so is not in politics anymore, or is named McCain.
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Looks like rummy is next to applogize.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040507/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_prisoner_abuse&cid=542&ncid=716
I guess his big statement today to defend himself will be just an appology for his actions.
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Originally posted by SoulzofAW3
Any person with half a brain would know to say I'm sorry in hopes of clearing things up.
So I guess you qualify then eh? ;)
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I must have missed him apologising personally, I thought he got someone else to do it on his behalf? Did he apologise a second time?
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Originally posted by Weavling
Something I don't like about politics, is that one can never tell if an act or statement is sincere, or just politics.
Whether it be either, or both, I think it was the right course of action. Even if it was politics, it still good that he did it. At least it shows that he's acknowledged the wrong doings there, and is taking steps to correct it. And it's better than not saying anything at all. Overall I think Bush is handeling this well. It wasn't his fault that he was kept out of the loop.
I agree 100%, it is not Bush's fault at all.
Rumy on the other hand was incompetent.
Bush learned about it on the news. :eek:
Rumy knew about it so he should have informed Bush.
The pres has to know about things like this.
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Originally posted by AVRO1
I agree 100%, it is not Bush's fault at all.
Rumy on the other hand was incompetent.
Bush learned about it on the news. :eek:
Rumy knew about it so he should have informed Bush.
The pres has to know about things like this.
Bush does not watch or read the news. He learned it from Rummy.
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Originally posted by Replicant
I must have missed him apologising personally, I thought he got someone else to do it on his behalf? Did he apologise a second time?
He made a second speech about it day or two after the first time where he declared US does not tolerate torturing etc. etc.
However first time did not even say hes sorry or anything like that.
Arabs didn't like that he did not apologize and he corrected it with an another speech....
What a moron I say.. ever a tard would've known to apologize in the FIRST speech already.
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Bush is responsible for sending troops to iraq.
His salary is big enough to take responsiblity too.
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What dishonest morons Bush and Rumsfeld are. They knew it months before (take a look at the IKRK statements). Time to resign!
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Why should he apologize? Not his fault.
he represent them and he is commander of those who made faults.
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Originally posted by Duedel
What dishonest morons Bush and Rumsfeld are. They knew it months before (take a look at the IKRK statements). Time to resign!
It's interesting that you use the term 'moron'. Do you consider yourself to be smarter, more educated, or in posession of more 'common sense' than either of those 2 men?
Do you know much about the background and accomplishments of the SECDEF?
Mike/wulfie
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Originally posted by wulfie-away
It's interesting that you use the term 'moron'. Do you consider yourself to be smarter, more educated, or in posession of more 'common sense' than either of those 2 men?
Do you know much about the background and accomplishments of the SECDEF?
Mike/wulfie
Smarter? Me? I guess no, but did this make him to be the one who's right? No! At least he's just a little puppet nothing more.
Bush is still a moron. He showed his moronic global politics in nearly EVERY WAY (not only the "solo attempt" on Iraq). P.e. take the Kyoto protocol...
The war on Afghanistan is another thing, this was the right decision!
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Originally posted by Duedel
Smarter? Me? I guess no, but...
That must mean that you think at least they are your equals.
You must have a low opinion of people if you think they're your equals.