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From USA TODAY (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-05-06-bush-ratings_x.htm) :
Bush's ratings slip at crucial point of campaign
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — President Bush, who started the year with formidable poll ratings, is sliding into troubled territory.
In January, Bush's job-approval rating was higher in the USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll than that of any recent president at that point in his first term; the public was optimistic about the future. Those two measures are the most accurate predictors of whether presidents win re-election.
But in May, his approval rating has dipped below 50%, and the public has become more pessimistic. This spring, he's closer to presidents who lost their bids for second terms.
Polls fluctuate, of course, and it's six months until the voting.
But Bush is scoring some of the lowest ratings of his presidency at a key moment.
What's hurting Bush: The public isn't convinced that the economy is getting better, and they're worried that Iraq is getting worse. By 62% to 36%, those polled said they were dissatisfied with the direction of the country, the most pessimistic reading since 1996.
Since Harry Truman, presidents who have won re-election have had job approval ratings of at least 52% at this point. Those who lost had ratings no better than 47% in May. Bush's rating is now 49%-48%.
On three specific measures — his handling of the economy, foreign affairs and Iraq — Bush now scores the lowest approval ratings of his presidency.
Yep, the wheels are definitely starting to come off the wagon. To use an old Texas saying "He's all hat and no cattle".
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Love him, hate him, all Kerry needs to do at this point is show up.
Or perhaps Bush will hit one out of the park and save his Presidency during the debates.
Haha! Good one, eh?!
There's like, 100,000 computer geeks with the word "PWNED" sitting on one layer of their Photoshop file - just waiting for the image to slip underneath.
Expect heavy lag in the AH skies.
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The sad part is these ARE our choices.
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Well... How far would a nationwide "none of the above" campaign go?
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Originally posted by Sandman
Well... How far would a nationwide "none of the above" campaign go?
LOL:aok
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A great song, otherwise.................... ....................
keep up the good work of others
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not that I mind seeing bush's chances go in the toilet, it doesn't apear this is a situation that was his fault, untilmately he is responsable but he seems genuine when he says he knew nothing of it.
of course the other reports I've recently heard where he doesn't watch any news, just what he's told by his people might explain some of that. he seems to suround himself with people who tell him what he wants to hear (the EPA reports post 9/11, the 'inteligence' reports used as justification to the war in Iraq.)
you should either get people who aren't afraid to tell you whats really going on or get your info from more than one direction, preferably both. he may not have as bad of entintions as I have thought in the past, just allowed him self into the postion of being the chump (I said chump not chimp) to someone elses plans.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
not that I mind seeing bush's chances go in the toilet, it doesn't apear this is a situation that was his fault, untilmately he is responsable but he seems genuine when he says he knew nothing of it.
of course the other reports I've recently heard where he doesn't watch any news, just what he's told by his people might explain some of that. he seems to suround himself with people who tell him what he wants to hear (the EPA reports post 9/11, the 'inteligence' reports used as justification to the war in Iraq.)
you should either get people who aren't afraid to tell you whats really going on or get your info from more than one direction, preferably both. he may not have as bad of entintions as I have thought in the past, just allowed him self into the postion of being the chump (I said chump not chimp) to someone elses plans.
When you surround yourself with nothing but yes men you set yourself up for failure.
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he seems genuine
This statement weighs more on me than anything else.
You pick the policy, it's the same.
The alternate doesn't have this quality to me.
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the most pessimistic reading since 1996
Well that election turned out awful for the incumbent.. :rolleyes:
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Sorry but I gotta say... Grun...
You're a pretty telling windsock for me.
Your posts are getting ever weaker.
It's like, the sails are all hoisted and ready, but the wind just aint there anymore.
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Well now we know why....he's multitasking and working on some projects as he posts! :D
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Viva la Boosh!!!
:p :p
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just saw job numbers for today. 288,000 new jobs created in april. Bush's approval ratings over kerry were like 47 to 32 I think it all depends on what day it is and what poll you take.
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Originally posted by Nash
Sorry but I gotta say... Grun...
You're a pretty telling windsock for me.
Your posts are getting ever weaker.
It's like, the sails are all hoisted and ready, but the wind just aint there anymore.
What a silly response....
Should have I had some fire breathing post instead?
Its hillarious you guys cry evil right wing nazi when I post agrtessivly and yiu guys whine when I post more resonably...
I think you guys just like to whine... :confused:
What does this post tell you? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
What does this post tell you?
There will be a great flood. Tom and Nicole get back together. Calgary Flames in 6.
Just yankin' yer chain Grun. My apologies. Here.... have a cracker. :D
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Originally posted by Nash
Here.... have a cracker. :D
Nah, I'm gonna make myself another sandwich... ;)
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You pick the policy, it's the same.
I suppose.
the problem with that is that on this issue he seems genuinely sorry- thats good
but on worker safety he seems genuinely set to do more damage to worker safety standards.
he seems to genuinely motivaated to do as much damage to over-time regs as possible.
on taxes he seems genuine in his need to screw the working class to the benefit of the wealthy
he seems to genuinely think our jobs going overseas is a good thing.
and he doesn't seem so genuine when justifying this war. he sells this war like a used car salesman.
I'm just saying that he seems to be on the level on this one issue. many Bush haters seem to take anything and try to twist it into being bush's fault. IMO that is not only wrong and unfair, it's also unnecessary, since he gives us plenty of legitimate ammo to justify throwing him out on his ass. far and away the worst president in my lifetime, but so far I see no evidence to pin this one issue on him.
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
just saw job numbers for today. 288,000 new jobs created in april. Bush's approval ratings over kerry were like 47 to 32 I think it all depends on what day it is and what poll you take.
A sitting popular wartime presidents approval rating is 47 percent. Wow, just wow.
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I suppose it depends on which poll you read:
Six months before Election Day, President Bush receives the support of 44 percent of voters and Kerry 41 percent in the national poll of registered voters conducted for Fox News by Opinion Dynamics Corporation (search). The new results are within the poll's margin of error, as has been the case in Fox News poll head-to-head presidential matchups for more than two months.
Even with the continuing violence against U.S. troops in Iraq and new evidence of Iraqi prisoner abuse, support for the decision to go to war is unchanged from early April. Half of Americans think going to war was the right thing for the U.S. to do, while just over four in 10 think it was wrong.
The poll finds the president's job approval rating hovering in about the same spot since mid-February. Currently 49 percent of Americans approve and 43 percent disapprove of Bush's job performance. His personal ratings are similar, with 50 percent having a favorable view of the incumbent and 42 percent an unfavorable view.
Kerry's personal ratings have dipped, and he continues to be unknown to many Americans. Today, the public's impression of the senator is evenly divided (39 percent favorable and 40 percent unfavorable). A month ago it was 43 percent favorable and 35 percent unfavorable. Almost 20 percent are still too unfamiliar with Kerry to voice an opinion.
But ask Mr. Dewey how accurate polls can be ;)
Either way, I may not be happy with how this administration has handled the post-war Iraq situation, but it'll be a cold day in Hell before I vote for Kerry. He may be draping himself in the "moderate" flag for now, but his voting record puts him left of Teddy. And that is not spin, that is fact. I shudder to think of what the US court system would look like after he's done appointing judges. A group that's likely to include more than one Supreme in the next 4 years. Not to mention the fact that regardless of how many pheasants he shoots, he voting record will always be anti-gun.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
A sitting popular wartime presidents approval rating is 47 percent. Wow, just wow.
A sitting wartime president who has an EXTREMLY uncooporative minority party in congress that has blocked ANY issue good or bad. Who inherited a recesion that has done an AWSOME job of turning the economy around.
I dont agree with Bush all the time but nowadays it seems the the dems care more about hateing bush than pushing their agenda. AND DONT BRING UP CLINTON AND MONICA as most of your libral cohorts say he's not the president now.
Cmon....sitting....wartime. These dont matter to any libral....they just hate him.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
A sitting wartime president who has an EXTREMLY uncooporative minority party in congress that has blocked ANY issue good or bad. Who inherited a recesion that has done an AWSOME job of turning the economy around.
I dont agree with Bush all the time but nowadays it seems the the dems care more about hateing bush than pushing their agenda. AND DONT BRING UP CLINTON AND MONICA as most of your libral cohorts say he's not the president now.
Cmon....sitting....wartime. These dont matter to any libral....they just hate him.
How can a minority party block anything they want to do? Sure they fillibuster, but you can only do that on so many issues. Bush has been able to pass everything that he has wanted. Besides a few judge nominations.
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"they just hate him."
Bush has become a hated president by many the old fashioned way. He's earned it.
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besides a few judges??????? try almost all of them. And yes they did a filibuster all night long to prevent them from being nominated. They even went so far as to block minoritys because they could loose some of their minority base with conservative black/latino jusges on the bench.
Any time bush does somthing good Tom Daschel gets on the air and says...."this is too little too late"
The dems dont want to do anything to "BETTER" America except to block what ever Bush does.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
besides a few judges??????? try almost all of them. And yes they did a filibuster all night long to prevent them from being nominated. They even went so far as to block minoritys because they could loose some of their minority base with conservative black/latino jusges on the bench.
Any time bush does somthing good Tom Daschel gets on the air and says...."this is too little too late"
The dems dont want to do anything to "BETTER" America except to block what ever Bush does.
So you admit that he was able to pass everything he has wanted to then. Because all you have to do is look at the bloated budget.
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so now were on the deficit? Can you librals ever stick to one thing????? next you'll be talking about how he was awol during nam.
So are you agreeing that the librals filibusterd the judges for unscrupulous reasons?
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The reps don't want to do anything to "BETTER" America except to block what ever the dems do.
The dems don't want to do anything to "BETTER" America except to block what ever the reps do.
The reps don't want to do anything to "BETTER" America except to block what ever the dems do.
The dems don't want to do anything to "BETTER" America except to block what ever the reps do.
This is what we call politics in America. Kind of stupid, hunh?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
so now were on the deficit? Can you librals ever stick to one thing????? next you'll be talking about how he was awol during nam.
So are you agreeing that the librals filibusterd the judges for unscrupulous reasons?
They filibustered because they did not like the fact that the judges had no record. Which is a big deal. And i am sorry that you cannot comprehend how passing every bill a president and congress wants relates to the deficit. Maybe you should have gone to one of those america hateing colleges and learned ya up some.
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Originally posted by Furious
The reps don't want to do anything to "BETTER" America except to block what ever the dems do.
The dems don't want to do anything to "BETTER" America except to block what ever the reps do.
The reps don't want to do anything to "BETTER" America except to block what ever the dems do.
The dems don't want to do anything to "BETTER" America except to block what ever the reps do.
This is what we call politics in America. Kind of stupid, hunh?
Yup....you make more sense than stabby lol
They filibustered because they did not like the fact that the judges had no record. Which is a big deal. And i am sorry that you cannot comprehend how passing every bill a president and congress wants relates to the deficit. Maybe you should have gone to one of those america hateing colleges and learned ya up some.
WRONG!.....there is memos that were leaked/hacked from the democrat party saying that they were afraid if monority judges were elected they could loose some of their base....does anyone else remember this.
I've been to college I can read "good" I see bushes and kerry's numbers flip flopping more than kerry's opinion.
Sitting/wartime has nothing to do with it....when you have libs spewing nothing but HATRED out there the numbers will reflect. I have to day I dont agree with the deficit....I dont agree with the whole immagration thing....I dont agree with the medicar bill....I didnt want him to "bail out" the airlines after 9/11. I'm not a BUSH fanboy by any means but if the alternative is Kerry than Bush is a shining star.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Yup....you make more sense than stabby lol
WRONG!.....there is memos that were leaked/hacked from the democrat party saying that they were afraid if monority judges were elected they could loose some of their base....does anyone else remember this.
oh, post some facts.
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My point being, that you want to make this an US vs. THEM argument. A republican vs. democrat thing. Nothing is that simple. It's divisive.
Politics has become a dog and pony show. It's perfect for today's entertainment slanted news programming. Two colossal teams duking it out in primetime does wonders for ratings. It does **** all for our country.
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...and I don't mean just you. It's prevelant throughout this forum.
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Originally posted by Furious
My point being, that you want to make this an US vs. THEM argument. A republican vs. democrat thing. Nothing is that simple. It's divisive.
Politics has become a dog and pony show. It's perfect for today's entertainment slanted news programming. Two colossal teams duking it out in primetime does wonders for ratings. It does **** all for our country.
The reason i want the whole system to come crashing down. I think it is time we take all the republicans and democrats out back and put them out of their misery. The peopl's revolution will come.
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Wow rummy meets with the pres only twice a week. And we are at war......
Anyone else watching rummy before congress.
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
Bush's approval ratings over kerry were like 47 to 32 I think it all depends on what day it is and what poll you take.
54 to 32 in Jan, according to a Fox poll. You can find tons of election match up polling information here.
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I've been to college I can read "good" I see bushes and kerry's numbers flip flopping more than kerry's opinion.
I have to day I dont agree with the deficit....I dont agree with the whole immagration thing....I dont agree with the medicar bill....I'm not a BUSH fanboy by any means but if the alternative is Kerry than Bush is a shining star.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Thrawn
54 to 32 in Jan, according to a Fox poll. You can find tons of election match up polling information here.
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm
I notice that it has been virually unchanged since Kerry won New Hampshire. Pretty much 44% Bush, and Kerry tied or slightly behind, albeit a statistically insignificant amount.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I notice that it has been virually unchanged since Kerry won New Hampshire. Pretty much 44% Bush, and Kerry tied or slightly behind, albeit a statistically insignificant amount.
True but look at how much Bush has spent so far compared to Kerry's spend....and Bush is still in the toilet...
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
True but look at how much Bush has spent so far compared to Kerry's spend....and Bush is still in the toilet...
But he is ahead of Kerry... and has more money in tha bank than Kerry, and he has a majority on the Supreme Court.
Kerry is toast.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Wow rummy meets with the pres only twice a week. And we are at war......
Anyone else watching rummy before congress.
He's one of the best SECDEF we've had in a long time.
Why don't you educate me on how many times a week the SECDEF is supposed to meet with the CiC? Give me some examples of previous SECDEF, etc.?
Mike/wulfie
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
But he is ahead of Kerry... and has more money in tha bank than Kerry, and he has a majority on the Supreme Court.
Kerry is toast.
ah well have to wait and see on that one....
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Originally posted by wulfie-away
He's one of the best SECDEF we've had in a long time.
Why don't you educate me on how many times a week the SECDEF is supposed to meet with the CiC? Give me some examples of previous SECDEF, etc.?
Mike/wulfie
During war? I'd say DAILY. With Rummy? Ya need Lo-Jack to keep the idiot under control.
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Originally posted by rpm371
During war? I'd say DAILY. With Rummy? Ya need Lo-Jack to keep the idiot under control.
So the telephone, or conferencing is not acceptable? SECDEF is failing in his duties if he doesn't meet with the CiC in person at least once a day?
I don't think you have a very good understanding of the daily duties, responsibilities, and schedules of these 2 individuals.
Mike/wulfie
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
But he is ahead of Kerry... and has more money in tha bank than Kerry, and he has a majority on the Supreme Court.
Kerry is toast.
Actually there has been a big change, Nader joined the race. Kerry lost some support to him buy Kerry's numbers came back up.
Saying Kerry is toast is very premature. Especially considering that alot of the people that say they are going to vote for Nader won't be able to because he won't be on their ballots.
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originally posted by HMcG
"he has a majority on the Supreme Court."
I guess you guys didn't get the joke...
Remeber Florida? The Supreme Court decided something last time about Florida...
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holdin I got the joke and I think this is gonna be a close race w/ bush pullin for a decisive win.
I dont want to hear about how bush stole the election cause that whole issue is SOOOO behind us.
Humorous either way.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
holdin I got the joke and I think this is gonna be a close race w/ bush pullin for a decisive win.
Close but decisive?
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Just say no to voting!