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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Saintaw on May 07, 2004, 05:29:44 AM
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Man, isn't that the truth?
curly
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I thought this one was rather good:
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Man, isn't that the truth?
curly
You cannot justify the actions of those scum because the enemy has done worse.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
You cannot justify the actions of those scum because the enemy has done worse.
nobody is justifying anything. At least not me. I just see more outrage over this than charred bodys being dragged through the street and dismembered. At least these guys are still breathing
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" I just see more outrage over this than charred bodys being dragged through the street and dismembered."
Then you must have a very, very short memory.
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
nobody is justifying anything. At least not me. I just see more outrage over this than charred bodys being dragged through the street and dismembered. At least these guys are still breathing
er duh! Maybe you've just senn WHY charred bodies were dragged through the streets....
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er duh! Maybe you've just senn WHY charred bodies were dragged through the streets....
/sarcasm mode ON
Ohhhh I see how it works now.
So we would be justified to carpet bomb huge portions of Fallujah or Najaf, for the chared bodies?
I mean tit for tat and all. Blood fueds, never forgetting, and such are all great "traditions" in that part of the world. The US will just fit right in.
/sarcasm mode OFF
Seriously. Why is it just the US that must fight, use force and occupy "humanely"?
When the other side committs atrocities, does something wrong, uses suicide bombers, kills innocent women and children (remember the ones incinerated within their buses on the way to school a couple of weeks ago in a car bombing?) and kills hostages, some people on this BBS justify it with "they fighting for their freedom". "They're angry" "they countering US imperialism" and a whole lot of other Bull excrement.
What happened in that prison was wrong, and I hope the stupid people who did it are prosecuted. But lets put in to perspective with all the other killings, torturing, suicide bombers, and atrocities that the "opposition" has been using over there and continues to do so.
This situation pales in comparison, and some are opportunistically using it as just another chance to bash the US and our president.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
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Anybody else see racist stereotypes in this editorial?
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Originally posted by gofaster
Anybody else see racist stereotypes in this editorial?
No worse than the stereotype in your avatar.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
No worse than the stereotype in your avatar.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
No worse than the stereotype in your avatar.
You mean there really are leprechauns?
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
nobody is justifying anything. At least not me. I just see more outrage over this than charred bodys being dragged through the street and dismembered. At least these guys are still breathing
That is because we normally have standards in america. When an american is dragged through the streets by another american the outrage is just as high. When an uneducated savage does it during wartime in a warzone, it is not that shocking. And so when America allows torture and murders of its POW's there will be much outrage.
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I mean tit for tat and all. Blood fueds, never forgetting, and such are all great "traditions" in that part of the world. The US will just fit right in.
I wanna know who TAT is and WHY is he getting all the TIT??
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
That is because we normally have standards in america. When an american is dragged through the streets by another american the outrage is just as high. When an uneducated savage does it during wartime in a warzone, it is not that shocking. And so when America allows torture and murders of its POW's there will be much outrage.
Wich makes us better than them RIGHT?
YES
Wich means we have rules and regulations that we follow RIGHT?
YES
Wich means that those responsible partys will be brought to justice RIGHT?
YES
The Army started an investigtion on this BY THE BOOK prior to any public knowledge. Everything that can be done to prevent things like this in the future is being done.
So why are librals so outraged and asking for Rumsfelds resignation over this??????
were was the outrage when the burned bodies were dragged throught the street???? Your explanation is: they are savages and we should come to expect that?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Wich makes us better than them RIGHT?
YES
Wich means we have rules and regulations that we follow RIGHT?
YES
Wich means that those responsible partys will be brought to justice RIGHT?
YES
The Army started an investigtion on this BY THE BOOK prior to any public knowledge. Everything that can be done to prevent things like this in the future is being done.
So why are librals so outraged and asking for Rumsfelds resignation over this??????
were was the outrage when the burned bodies were dragged throught the street???? Your explanation is: they are savages and we should come to expect that?
Because prisoner abuse appears to be common practice, and he knew about it and did not inform congress or the american people. That is why.
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Originally posted by gofaster
Anybody else see racist stereotypes in this editorial?
Someone needs a lesson in the difference between "racial stereotype" and "reality".
Would you care to have a game of poker? No card stereotyping allowed of course. :rolleyes:
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Racial sterotyping has been the life-blood of political cartoons.
Don't see anything wrong with it. You have to get the message across in one frame.
Ravs
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
You cannot justify the actions of those scum because the enemy has done worse.
Again little person you have no right to call any of our men or women in uniform "scum".
Unless you are willing to put on the uniform and go over to that hell hole and do there job dont judge them you simply dont have the right.
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No card stereo typing allowed of course.
Is stereo typing like writing two business letters at the same time?
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Because prisoner abuse appears to be common practice,
no it doesn't, wasn't and isn't.
and he knew about it and did not inform congress or the american people. That is why.
No... as stated before, investigation into the matter was well underway when news broke publicly.
Yes he "probably" should have, but his reasoning not to "should" be well understood given the FACT that it would simply be more ammo for the Ameerika haters.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Is stereo typing like writing two business letters at the same time?
lol! good one! :)
Ravs
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
When an uneducated savage does it during wartime in a warzone, it is not that shocking.
Yes i'm sure the families of the four dead contractors were not shocked at all buy seeing there loved ones being dragged and hung.
Dude you have a nasty habit of putting your mouth into hyper drive way before the gears in your head start turning.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Is stereo typing like writing two business letters at the same time?
... ok ok, you got me. I TYPE to fast. Fixed.
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the arabs and americas enemies are making a mountain out of the molehill because they can..
those responible will be dealt with, pls carry on with the rest of the war ... and your hatred towards the best country in the world
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the US of A and her men and women in uniform
thank you
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Because prisoner abuse appears to be common practice, and he knew about it and did not inform congress or the american people. That is why.
And you have proof of this?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
And you have proof of this?
The proof is in the pudding - watch Rummy's testimony. Apparently he was more interested in launching an investigation and finding out exactly what happened upon learning of the "abuse" than calling a press conference.
A man doing his job without the spotlight - unthinkable.
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PS: Just curious... what exactly is 'racially sterotypical' about that comic?
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Originally posted by Eagler
the arabs and americas enemies are making a mountain out of the molehill because they can..
those responible will be dealt with, pls carry on with the rest of the war ... and your hatred towards the best country in the world
(http://www.hellasmultimedia.com/webimages/patriotic/images/uS.gif)
the US of A and her men and women in uniform
thank you
Great stuff! Eagler. I expect you'll be making a donation to C.A.U.S.E. - I'll punt it up so you can see where and how to do it.
Ravs
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nobody never cares when occupants die... most of local folk whitch has been ever occupird very welcomed every death occupant.....
and everybody stick to people with similary thinking during hard times, so even if it were true, it is ok
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Originally posted by Eagler
the arabs and americas enemies are making a mountain out of the molehill because they can..
those responible will be dealt with, pls carry on with the rest of the war ... and your hatred towards the best country in the world
(http://www.hellasmultimedia.com/webimages/patriotic/images/uS.gif)
the US of A and her men and women in uniform
thank you
This is soooooooooooo cute
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Originally posted by gofaster
Anybody else see racist stereotypes in this editorial?
well the middle guy does look kinda Jewish....
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
The proof is in the pudding - watch Rummy's testimony. Apparently he was more interested in launching an investigation and finding out exactly what happened upon learning of the "abuse" than calling a press conference.
A man doing his job without the spotlight - unthinkable.
And here we have it folks.... what "really" happened makes no difference whatsoever.
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The idea that this was a story that was "just broken" is false. I had the oportunity to listen to part of the testimony while I was at work. It seems the allegations of abuse were actually announced some time ago. It was also announced and carried in the washington post that an inquiries were in process over it and that the situiation was being rectified. As was broadcast in the testimony the time line shows the story was announced by the command in iraq. It just didn't get much attention until these pictures just showed up. Now it's news.
Guess it's too much trouble to actually read the newspaper in Washington unless it's got pictures.
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Originally posted by txmx
Again little person you have no right to call any of our men or women in uniform "scum".
fix you knowlege please
we live in a free countries, we can call them even more funny names
we have may be more rights that you in some sort of things :D
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That is because we normally have standards in america. When an american is dragged through the streets by another american the outrage is just as high. When an uneducated savage does it during wartime in a warzone, it is not that shocking. And so when America allows torture and murders of its POW's there will be much outrage.
There should be, and is, "much outrage" at the evidence of prisoner treatment at that prison, by 30 or so members (but not for long) of our military.
There should be, and isn't, "much outrage" of the caulous and barbaric treatment of non-military citizens of the United States, and other crountries, by the same ilk that were receiving that barbaric treatment in the prison that we all have seen.
There is nothing acceptable in the photos that we have seen.
There is no excuse that can justify what was done.
The American people will accept nothing less than full justice for those that participated in these crimes.
The difference is that we are shocked and ashamed at what we have seen.
The other side revels at the sight of images of mutilation, murder and torture of our people.
The difference is that those actions are not acceptable to us, but welcomed by those that despise us.
On Rummy, he was doing what he was supposed to be doing, investigating the situation while protecting his boss, as would any SECDEF under any administration. The calls for resignation and impeachment are laughable in that they are transparently partisan. They do aid in showing the lawmakers that are more loyal to party than they are to country, and I sincerely hope that their constituents take note.
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
nobody is justifying anything. At least not me. I just see more outrage over this than charred bodys being dragged through the street and dismembered. At least these guys are still breathing
IMO those Blackwater mercs risked their lives for money and I dont have much sympathy for them. They knew what they were getting in to and it was for their 1500 per day paycheck, not out of any duty to the US.
I don't have any more sympathy for them than I would someone who lost their life savings gambling in Vegas. Except pity, because they gambled their lives for a few bucks and lost.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
And you have proof of this?
Rummy himself - the worst is yet to come
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I haven't posted on this topic up until now for various reasons, but I thought I'd share something with you all.
I work in a US Army prison. About 2 months ago we got a tasking to send a team of correctional specialists to Iraq for the purpose of training the service members over there on proper POW custody control and treatment. They left without any fanfare or headlines, and had already been on the ground doing their job for quite a while before this story broke the headlines.
Bottom line: The US knew that the treatment was way out of line, and they took positive steps to make sure it is dealt with LOOONG before the story blew up and the media started calling for the head of Rumsfeld. It's not as if we just got caught red-handed and are now jumping through our tulips trying to cover our tracks. This was something that we took steps to take care of because that is the right thing to do.
If I had a choice, I'd say pull all our forces out right now and let the Iraqis sort it out. Then we'll see what atrocities are committed and watch the world go ape**** over it.
It's a shame that the media only broadcasts shocking, negative stories. The world is only seeing 1/2 the story and basing their whole opinion off of it.
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Raubvogel, this is the post I've been waiting for. You might be peeing in the wind tho trying to convince some folks of the facts vs. the sensationalism. I guess it's more interesting to be angry than it is to be informed.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
I haven't posted on this topic up until now for various reasons, but I thought I'd share something with you all.
I work in a US Army prison. About 2 months ago we got a tasking to send a team of correctional specialists to Iraq for the purpose of training the service members over there on proper POW custody control and treatment. They left without any fanfare or headlines, and had already been on the ground doing their job for quite a while before this story broke the headlines.
Bottom line: The US knew that the treatment was way out of line, and they took positive steps to make sure it is dealt with LOOONG before the story blew up and the media started calling for the head of Rumsfeld. It's not as if we just got caught red-handed and are now jumping through our tulips trying to cover our tracks. This was something that we took steps to take care of because that is the right thing to do.
If I had a choice, I'd say pull all our forces out right now and let the Iraqis sort it out. Then we'll see what atrocities are committed and watch the world go ape**** over it.
It's a shame that the media only broadcasts shocking, negative stories. The world is only seeing 1/2 the story and basing their whole opinion off of it.
we cant leave Iraq. We created this mess and we have to fix it. We broke it we bought it.
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It was broke long before we ever went in.
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This is soooooooooooo cute
What's wrong w/ it? Ohhh the American flag is in there. Ya, that bothers you huh?
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Ravs, your cartoon says what many of us our thinking.
On the flip side, where was all the uproar worldwide when Americans were hung from a bridge after being tortured and murdered... then set on fire?
Honestly, it seems that the world thinks it's ok.
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Originally posted by Duedel
This is soooooooooooo cute
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
And you have proof of this?
Seems the red cross does.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
I haven't posted on this topic up until now for various reasons, but I thought I'd share something with you all.
I work in a US Army prison. About 2 months ago we got a tasking to send a team of correctional specialists to Iraq for the purpose of training the service members over there on proper POW custody control and treatment. They left without any fanfare or headlines, and had already been on the ground doing their job for quite a while before this story broke the headlines.
Bottom line: The US knew that the treatment was way out of line, and they took positive steps to make sure it is dealt with LOOONG before the story blew up and the media started calling for the head of Rumsfeld. It's not as if we just got caught red-handed and are now jumping through our tulips trying to cover our tracks. This was something that we took steps to take care of because that is the right thing to do.
If I had a choice, I'd say pull all our forces out right now and let the Iraqis sort it out. Then we'll see what atrocities are committed and watch the world go ape**** over it.
It's a shame that the media only broadcasts shocking, negative stories. The world is only seeing 1/2 the story and basing their whole opinion off of it.
So why was congress not informed? That is the scandel. Why was Rumsfeld not telling congress?
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Stabby if you had listened to the testimony you would have heard that the story had broken and was published some time ago. The Washingtonm Post no less.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
So why was congress not informed? That is the scandel. Why was Rumsfeld not telling congress?
Have you actually done any reading on this? The timeline is all over the various news sites.
Here's a quick recap for you:
From the CNN Timeline:
January 13, 2004: Army Spc. Joseph M. Darby, an MP with the 800th at Abu Ghraib, first reports cases of abuse at the prison.
January 16: Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez orders a criminal investigation into reports of abuse at the prison by members of the brigade. The military also announces the investigation publicly[/u]
Three days between initial report of abuse and ordered investigation. Publicly announced.
Where's that scandal again?
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Steve, it just looks stupid.
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Originally posted by Toad
It was broke long before we ever went in.
Just because you were standing outside the shop throwing bricks in doesn't mean you didn't break it.
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Originally posted by Eagler
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:D :aok
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What a suprise. Blame Amreeka! from Dead.
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Originally posted by Toad
What a suprise. Blame Amreeka! from Dead.
What a surprise - no actual addressing of the issue, just evasion of it by brushing it off and using the "death to Amreeka" get-out from Toad. Still, I suppose it's easier than doing the whole sanctions and systematic infrastructure bombing debate again.
To sooth your outraged sense of national pride (awww! there, there) - I don't just blame America - the UK is also guilty and to a lesser degree France. The UN also played its part - although to be fair to UN, the US and the UK did make it clear they would use their vetos on any attempt to lift the sanctions they introduced in 661 while Saddam remained in power.
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I guess this is addressing the issue?
Just because you were standing outside the shop throwing bricks in doesn't mean you didn't break it.
What a joke.
Your simplistic assessment is just that. America, UK, France? Leaving out a lot of stuff, over a lot of years by a lot of individual nations, not to mention the UN.
Yeah, you really addressed this issue.
You're a "drive-by" type and always have been. Anyone that doubts it need only search your posts.
Funny you don't like it when others do it to you though.
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Originally posted by Toad
I guess this is addressing the issue?
What a joke.
Your simplistic assessment is just that. America, UK, France? Leaving out a lot of stuff, over a lot of years by a lot of individual nations, not to mention the UN.
Yeah, you really addressed this issue.
You're a "drive-by" type and always have been. Anyone that doubts it need only search your posts.
Funny you don't like it when others do it to you though.
Well basically I was answering in the spirit of your simplistic assessment of the issue "It was broke long before we ever went in".
Which seems to have left out the US-led war, the US, UK & French bombing of Iraq's infrastructure during the first war, the US led-sanctions before during and after the war, the US & UK being the blocking nation in 99% of all 661 council blocks on goods to Iraq, the effects of 12 years of sanctions on Iraq.
Sure other countries were involved - but the US deserves the lion's share of the credit for "breaking" Iraq.
I believe we addressed the issue a while back at length and in much greater depth. Not very "drive-by", IIRC - but I'd be the first to admit that I'm guilty of not having the kind of time Ripsnort has to devote to posting on this BBS, so my attendance can sometimes be patchy, and the time difference can also lead to big gaps.
But I'll bite the bait, then - who broke Iraq if it wasn't the US & the UK?
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Well, basically, I learned my drive-by techniques from masters like you and blur. What do you think about mirroring?
Sanctions? Bombing? Hmmmmmmmm... you seem to unilaterally place this responsibility on the USA. I am taken aback. I thought these things, including the first Gulf war were authorized by the sainted UN itself.
Yes, I agree; the US, Britain, France and others did act under UN direction in these matters.
And how about that Oil for Food deal, eh?
Who "broke" Iraq? I'd think the answer is as obvious as who invaded Iran in 1980. Or who caused enough concern in the UN that sanctions were placed on Iraq. Or who started Gulf War I by invading Kuwait.
Care to take a guess?
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Aww, c'mon Toad. You know the CIA secretly backed Saddam during the Iraq-Iran War, and George Bush Sr. gave him the green light to invade Kuwait, but then got pissed because Saddam forgot to return the Guns N' Roses tape he had borrowed the night they made the deal.
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- If the lads performing guard duty are contractors (*cough...mercenaries*) why are they wearing what appears to be US military clothes?
- How can one be so STUPID as to take pictures of themselves doing that kind of activity (given they have a higher IQ than mrblack)
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