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Title: Ultimate Japanese Interceptor
Post by: GENRLX on May 08, 2004, 03:31:09 AM

Take a look at the Kyushu J7W Shinden.  Pusher prop with canard stabilizer and 4- 30 mms in the nose. 466mph at 29,000 ft. max speed.  Plus  it's coooooooooooool looking!  Smithsonian is restoring only surviving model.

Title: Ultimate Japanese Interceptor
Post by: Innominate on May 08, 2004, 04:15:36 AM

Did they actually shoot anything down?  or is it a prototype that never saw combat?

Title: Ultimate Japanese Interceptor
Post by: Karnak on May 08, 2004, 04:31:25 AM

Prototype, never saw combat.

It was in production, but there were no completed production airframes.  It probably would have seen combat if not for the atomic bombs.

Neat looking kite though.

Title: Ultimate Japanese Interceptor
Post by: SELECTOR on May 08, 2004, 08:02:36 AM

i think prototypes shouldn't be included .. or planes that didnt see action.. like the c205

Title: Ultimate Japanese Interceptor
Post by: hogenbor on May 08, 2004, 08:07:45 AM

Amazing plane. It was included in the 1946 add-on of 'Aces of the Pacific'.

Could it do 466 at 30.000 feet? My sources state that speed but no altitude. Didn't the Japanese have troubles with supercharging at such extreme altutide? From memory the 'Aces ' booklet states that the Shinden's power fell off dramatically at high altitudes.

If it could do 466 at 30k and would have been available, it would have been the B-29's nemesis with 4 30mm cannon.

Title: Ultimate Japanese Interceptor
Post by: straffo on May 08, 2004, 08:56:26 AM

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Originally posted by SELECTOR
i think prototypes shouldn't be included .. or planes that didnt see action.. like the c205

hu ???

The 205 seen action in the Jg77 for example and in italian forces (obvioulsy).

Title: Ultimate Japanese Interceptor
Post by: Kweassa on May 08, 2004, 08:58:03 AM

Selector, the Macchi C.205 saw actual combat in formal squadron strength service since the middle of 1943, at Sicily and Sardinia against the Allied assault in the Mediterranean.

Title: Ultimate Japanese Interceptor
Post by: Fridaddy on May 08, 2004, 03:38:46 PM

I am sure with this group we have a good idea what it is, but here is a link to some pics.

http://www.airbornegrafix.com/HistoricAircraft/Design/J7W.htm

Note the allied officers looking UP at the aircraft in the second pic on the right. Sometimes we forget how big some of the WW2 aircraft were.

Title: Ultimate Japanese Interceptor
Post by: Jester on May 08, 2004, 04:51:57 PM

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Originally posted by SELECTOR
i think prototypes shouldn't be included .. or planes that didnt see action.. like the c205

C.205 saw lots of action. It equipted one whole Gruppe of JG 77.
Plus it also saw action with both Italian air forces - Axis and Allied.

Title: Ultimate Japanese Interceptor
Post by: Holden McGroin on May 08, 2004, 07:06:39 PM

did anyone know Burt Rutan was a designer for Kyushu before moving to the US?
(http://www.multimania.com/jclaus/viggen.jpg)
the Rutan Shinden in flight

Title: Ultimate Japanese Interceptor
Post by: Staga on May 08, 2004, 08:16:29 PM

Did Rutan also design "Wright Flyer" ?

Title: Ultimate Japanese Interceptor
Post by: GScholz on May 08, 2004, 08:20:24 PM

Rutan is my hero!

Title: Ultimate Japanese Interceptor
Post by: DiabloTX on May 08, 2004, 11:24:31 PM

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Originally posted by Staga
Did Rutan also design "Wright Flyer" ?

No, just the '03 model.

Those lazy-ass brothers get all the credit though.

Title: Ultimate Japanese Interceptor
Post by: Widewing on May 08, 2004, 11:35:54 PM

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Originally posted by SELECTOR
i think prototypes shouldn't be included .. or planes that didnt see action.. like the c205

Macchi's 205 saw combat.

My regards,

Widewing

Title: Ultimate Japanese Interceptor
Post by: Flyboy on May 09, 2004, 03:37:49 AM

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Originally posted by Fridaddy
I am sure with this group we have a good idea what it is, but here is a link to some pics.

http://www.airbornegrafix.com/HistoricAircraft/Design/J7W.htm

Note the allied officers looking UP at the aircraft in the second pic on the right. Sometimes we forget how big some of the WW2 aircraft were.

thats one ugly looking plane :D