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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lazs2 on May 08, 2004, 10:21:40 AM
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Yep, GM has been consistently lieing about the HP of their over the counter crate engines... most of the small blocks have been found to produce about 5% more HP than advertised.
Now.... the king of crate motors... The ZZ572/720 has been shown to be a fraud! GM claims 720 hp from this 572" big block that comes complete and ready to run... Hot Rod magazine has exposed these charlatans...
The Hot Rod test showed that the ZZ motor produced 801 hp on high octane gas and 787 hp on pump gas.
look for one of these motors in a Chevelle or vette or F body near you soon.
lazs
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Can i have it in a chevette. So the quality of the engine match's the way the car looks.
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Now if they could actually make decent cars... I always felt GM had awesome performance powertrains but oh lord what crap they bolt on all around them....
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Can i have it in a chevette. So the quality of the engine match's the way the car looks.
Say what you want about the quality of cars that GM puts out these days, but their crate motors and head and shoulders above everyone else. Ford is starting to catch up, but GM has some KILLER crate engines out there.
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I figured you for a chevette guy staby.
lazs
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I'm getting ready to do a LT1 or LS1 swap with a T-56 in my little S-10. For the simplicity and gas mileage teamed with the sheer hp/tq numbers you get from the Chevy 350's it's hard not to do it.
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And here I thaught this was another acounting scandel. BTW what's the big deal if their engines give a little more horses than advertised?
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801 hp?? Seems like a waste to put that on a car. Put it on an airplane.
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easy swap... looked at one yesterday. Friend of mine bought a s10 with worn out v6 for like $800 and put in a nice tbi 350... even kept the stock a/c... Painless makes a harness to use the stock puter and such.
The new fun stuff is stroker ls6 motors pulling 500 hp easy. All aluminum V8s for cheap... might put one in an older BMW for chuckles.
lazs
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No big deal??? you could put your eye out with 801 hp delivered to your door!
These motors are bolt in complete carb turnkey motors legal in any car earlier than 74.
Gawd I hope the democrats don't find out about em.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
easy swap... looked at one yesterday. Friend of mine bought a s10 with worn out v6 for like $800 and put in a nice tbi 350... even kept the stock a/c... Painless makes a harness to use the stock puter and such.
The new fun stuff is stroker ls6 motors pulling 500 hp easy. All aluminum V8s for cheap... might put one in an older BMW for chuckles.
lazs
The LS1 swap is a bit more difficult. I'll need it out of the vette with all the accessories and ECU/Wiring Harness. I'll also need new motor mounts and radiator. I have a 98 S-10 and I have to notch the frame just a bit, and weld on an additional bracket for the tranny. I hope to hit mid to low 13's with street tires. I'm going to be putting on some 17x10's and 17x8's. All total shouldn't cost me more than 5 grand for close to 400 hp in a tiny truck.
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painless make a wiring harness to easy your pain. I can't see why you wouldn't be able to hit high 12's with that combo depending on tranny and gearing.
What kind of rearend you gonna run? stock s-10 is gonna complain to ya about them drag strip launches.
lazs
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It's got the stock 3.73, I've got a set of 4.10's sitting in my grandfathers garage. I don't think I could hit 12's until I get some suspension work. They suffer a lot from wheel hop, and without drag radials and a 6-speed tranny 1st through 3rd will be next to useless. I saw the painless wiring harness.. I was thinking of picking that one up.
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Originally posted by Cougar68
Say what you want about the quality of cars that GM puts out these days, but their crate motors and head and shoulders above everyone else. Ford is starting to catch up, but GM has some KILLER crate engines out there.
GM has more experience building crate engines. They blow up more often. :D
Seriously, GM makes great engines but the electronics and interiors are crap. Saw a 2002 3500 the otherday that was literally falling apart. The dash rattled and squeeked, the electronics were buggy, and it got 7 MPG. Sounded great running down the road tho!
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Traded in my 99 Malibu for a chevy truck with the Vortec. The 'Bu was quick for a 4 banger (2.4). The Vortec V-6 claims 190hp, but I think it's more.
PLus they don't sound like washing machines.
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MT.. the vortec motors put out a lot of HP.. the v8's are pretty amazing in a truck.. We got one for work, it is a gmc (same thing) with a vortec v8 4 speed auto club cab. I told all the guys that the only one who could drive it was one of my guys who has never gotten a ticket in his life.. the darn thing will smoke one skinny tire for 100 ft.
but... even my puny little 468 big block is ah... different.. I can only imagine what a 572/740 will be like... hopefully boxer and finestein and kerry won't get em banned as assault motors.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
No big deal??? you could put your eye out with 801 hp delivered to your door!
These motors are bolt in complete carb turnkey motors legal in any car earlier than 74.
Gawd I hope the democrats don't find out about em.
lazs
Watch out Lazs - Hillary wants your big block!!
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"Watch out Lazs - Hillary wants your big block!!"
yes... it does seem that all women want my big block but... not sure I would define hillary as a "woman" exactly..
lazs
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Originally posted by rpm371
GM has more experience building crate engines. They blow up more often. :D
Seriously, GM makes great engines but the electronics and interiors are crap. Saw a 2002 3500 the otherday that was literally falling apart. The dash rattled and squeeked, the electronics were buggy, and it got 7 MPG. Sounded great running down the road tho!
I call BS. I'll drive me '96 Camaro w/ 3.8 and 5-speed out to ya RPM and I challenge you to find a single rattle, squeek or clunk in it anywhere. I bought it new in June '96 with 7 miles on it. It now has 63k, gets 20/28 mpg respectively. Only problems so far are spark plug wires (GM paid for), fuel module (ouch, VERY expensive but it went at out 60k) and the A/C compressor. I've seen Mercedes with less miles and years on them go through a lot more than that on a regular basis. I plan on keeping mine for a long, long time.
SUCK FUMES FORD BOY!!!!!
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Originally posted by lazs2
"Watch out Lazs - Hillary wants your big block!!"
yes... it does seem that all women want my big block but... not sure I would define hillary as a "woman" exactly..
lazs
That's Ok Lazs, she knows you are a woman. :)
curly
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well... inside... I am a lesbian.
lazs
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Assault motors!
:rofl nice lazs!
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Once gas hits four dollars a gallon Lazs will be trading both his Elky and Healy V-8 for a Yugo. And bragging about his mileage instead of his horsepower. And voting Democrat. ;)
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Once gas hits four dollars a gallon Lazs will be trading both his Elky and Healy V-8 for a Yugo. And bragging about his mileage instead of his horsepower.
I remember people saying the same thing when it hit 50 cents a gallon. Where's all them Yugos??? :D
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
I call BS. I'll drive me '96 Camaro w/ 3.8 and 5-speed out to ya RPM and I challenge you to find a single rattle, squeek or clunk in it anywhere.
Drive on up. I'll show ya the truck. The newer ones are beer cans glued on wheels. I do like the DuraMax engines and Allison Transmissions GM is using now. Only took them 20 years to figure out car motors and tranny's make lousy trucks. Glad you are happy with your Camero, but remember you Can't Have Every Vehicle Running On Luck Every Time.
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I am a true eco warrior... I know that nothing will be done about alternative fuel sources until we run out of dino juice so..
I am doing my best to use it all up.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Yep, GM has been consistently lieing about the HP of their over the counter crate engines... most of the small blocks have been found to produce about 5% more HP than advertised.
And that's a good thing. :aok
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Originally posted by lazs2
I am a true eco warrior... I know that nothing will be done about alternative fuel sources until we run out of dino juice so..
I am doing my best to use it all up.
lazs
You are right, detroit will not stop using gasoline untill it is gone, or the price is to high to be viable. Then they will just buy the technology from europe or japan.