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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: YUCCA on May 10, 2004, 03:15:55 AM
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Just wondering if there are any commercial airline pilots or heck even pilots that got a private license. I am interested in getting into the buisness and just would like to ask questions and maybe some advice
If you guys want to help a young pup out shoot me yer email please :)
-thanks in advance
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Toad was a pilot, but he retired. Now he kills defenseless birds wearing a wacky tie, and lets his dog maul them if they are not quite dead. A poor example for all brave union pilots, and I hate him. I do eat birds that start with T though.
LePaul however, has a BD5 which he is putting in a 2 million dollar glass cockpit while working overtime at UPS sorting boxes. He has like 9000 hours in it and could ban you from Check6 in a minute.
Hitech has a plane I think. His Exorcist imitation has to be seen to believe.
Anyway, don't do it.
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Halfway through flight school myself hehe. Will be finished by end of summer hopefully :D . GL to ya Yucca.
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Originally posted by XtrmeJ
GL to ya Yucca.
Indeed. Forgot that. GL Yucca. Should be a fun trip, I'm jealous.
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Past tense - 1983-1999. I flew gliders, then various light singles, but had really gone as far as I could go with it. The sheer cost of private flying in the UK meant that it was only ever going to be a temporary hobby. Plus the British/European weather could be bad news for a VFR pilot, and I often did not get to my intended destination on time - spent a fortune on hotels, taxis etc.
So now I use cut price airlines instead.
Creamo - how can anyone hate Mr. Toad?
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Hi Yucca.
Have you visited PPRUNe BBS? (Professional Pilots' Rumour Network). http://www.pprune.org/
Full of really friendly people who will be able to answer your questions and worth a visit.
Ravs
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Private Pilot here for 3 years now. Close to 200 hrs, 150 as PIC. SE/ME.
I rent, but fortunately the club where I fly has a lot of different airplanes and has an agreement with a foundation so you can try to ask for training in some historic airplanes.
I'm guessing you are asking for professional advice, but if I can help you in the "throw money down the drain" part of flying, fire away :)
Daniel
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Originally posted by YUCCA
Just wondering if there are any commercial airline pilots or heck even pilots that got a private license. I am interested in getting into the buisness and just would like to ask questions and maybe some advice
If you guys want to help a young pup out shoot me yer email please :)
-thanks in advance
Hope they don't mind me mentioning, Busher, Escafe, DsrtRat, Manybeer, JoeD and Cmdr (?) of 418 Sqn Hornets are commercial airline pilots.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Creamo - how can anyone hate Mr. Toad?
Well, becuase he is the devil, hates fowl, was a pilot, and never sent me BBQ sauce or invited me to KC get togethers. He fooled you too?
I am not over-reacting. You're all being
fooled by this guy! He's a felon for
Christ sake!
(to the Cable Guy)
I hate you! Get out of my life!- Stephen/Cable Guy
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No, I could have gone to the KC BBQ, but the date clashed with the Queen's Garden Party at Buckingham Palace.
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Oh, I'm with ya beetard. I wouldn't miss that.
(http://www.cameravan.com/documentation/british/queensparty/images/CV151.jpg)
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Private Pilot here...only advice I can give is bring money and lots of if. The least expensive way to become a pilot is to join the military. The worst that can happen being a military pilot is that you might lose your life...if you try to become an ATP on your own dime you will lose your immortal soul to student loans.
Creamo...I thought LePaul gave up on the BD5 when he realized that building it in his basement was a bad idea since it was too big to fit up the stairs. ;)
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Well I'm a pilot, but not a 'real' pilot according to my Mother. :eek: LOL. It seems my Commercial licence is worth nothing. Ah Mothers you've got to love them;)
I echo Crowmaw's advice. Flying is a moneypit but you never really regret spendin the money.
Have fun.
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commercial helicopter pilot.
Real expensive to get that licence, and no gaurantee's on a job after flight school.
Once you "break in" though it can be pretty rewarding. Be prepared to spend lots of time away from home, and never see pavement.
Have over 1,000 hrs now, but also own a Maintenance organization, so don't get much time to fly anymore.
Cheers,
RTR
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Heh...Creamo ...
I had great plans for the 5 but getting hull insurance was impossible. Mock the panels all you want, there are some great instruments you can mount in a homebuilt.
Someone made a fantastic offer on the BD-5 a few years ago. I mean, you have good offers...which make you ponder letting your toy go...and fantastic offers that are so incredible, you help load it in the truck!
Still a great looking plane when finished.
Meanwhile, I have my PPL..about 225~hours, just renting. I've had it since 1992 and wish my fbo had the rental selection CyranoAH's does!
edit: i was never building it in a basement! Id rented a portion of hangar.
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Creamo, you look older than I imagined but the grey hat does look pretty good on you. Looks like one of your jokes has your date gasping for breath, too.
Hate birds? Never! We worship them and hold an annual season of festivities that centers around their divine beings! The dogs are absolutely not allowed to maul them either. Chomping of the divine carcasses by canines is strictly prohibited and rigidly enforced. Proper dog work is rewarded at the evening feast by giving the worthy dogs select morsels of the god's own flesh. They are properly reverent and appreciative, I've found.
KC BBQ's are not by invitation either. If one makes the pilgrimage to BBQ's Mecca, one will undoubtedly be invited to share in the rituals. However, one must make the pilgrimage of his own free will or the smoke will not waft over him.
Same with the sauce....... ask and you shall receive. I suggest a sampler of Heywards, Jack's Stack Regular, Gate's Regular & Spicy and an Arthur Bryant's to round it out. Check or Money Order only, actual freight charged. Check with Curval to see which he liked best. (BTW, shipping to BDA is incredible! The head of their Post Office probably has 150 Rolls Royces, like the Maharishi did.)
Hope this clears everything up.
Oh... wait. One more. Yes indeed, I am Beelzebub.
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Originally posted by crowMAW
Creamo...I thought LePaul gave up on the BD5 when he realized that building it in his basement was a bad idea since it was too big to fit up the stairs. ;)
ROFL
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Got my Private Pilot March 4, not going to commercial route but bring money...
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CFII MEI - 10.5 years flying 23 years old - whats yr question?
Wolf
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Private Pilot here, far as I got before the money ran out. Jumping back in sometime in the near future.
Words of wisdom: Bring lots of $$$, don't try and date your instructor.
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Originally posted by Heretik
Private Pilot here, far as I got before the money ran out. Jumping back in sometime in the near future.
Words of wisdom: Bring lots of $$$, don't try and date your instructor.
Hey I did that - and she's still a *****.
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Basically just wonderin the steps that would be recommended by you for becomming a commercial pilot.
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Yucca, surprised you didn't asked me 2 days ago ... punk.
CFII, about 1400h flying hazmat in small Cessna 210, part 135 in CA.
I don't advize you to take this way, except if you have a real job:D
You will spend a lot of money for your licences, then have to get borred to death being a CFI from 260h to 1200h ... like 2 years making $1200/month. Then at 1200h, you will look for a 'real flying job". You may be lucky and get swaped in by an airline (a friend flying right seat beach 1900 for a commuter, making $1,100/month)... i hope you like living in a car.
Maybe you will find a guy that needs a right sittter in a corporate jet. IF you don't have to pay your own training, the guy will pay it for you but you will fly for free for the rest of the year, or you will just fit in from time to time.
or you fly PA28 with Ameriflight alike waking up at 5am till 9pm making ... you bet $1000 something a month.
Or you town baneers, borred to death cruising the beach at 30kts ground speed.
Or... be lucky and fly right seat of a Falson 20 with 500h total time and making $300.00/day of duty like my friend George, because his friend was the captain of this familly operated jet.
in a way, get your private, have fun, bring your chick in the week end to get laid, but don't expect a career.
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Frenchy - You gonna be in Chino on Saturday?
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Bottom line Yucca, there are no guranteed career path's in aviation. Like the rest of life, its a crap shoot - albiet an expensive one. To get all of your ratings expect to spend $30,000 - but if yr just your private, then $10,000 isn't unusual. But don't go into it expecting to be making $100,000 out the door - yr lucky to be pullign $12,000 a yr like Frenchy said - and in many cases MUCH MUCH less. Thats why pilots are so good at waiting tables to support ourselves.
Wolf
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MMMM thats not enough money for the zoloft prescription i'll need :lol
Frenchy you bastage give me your phone number so i can call your ***. :)
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Yucca, I'd be glad to talk to you about the airline aspect of flying. I agree with what's been said here.
It is a crapshoot and it takes a lot of $ just to get in the game. Right now, the industry is sort of suxxoring as well. Not much hiring going on at the majors.
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I just fly gliders. Most my time is in a Blanik L-13 and L-23. If your looking to just fly, gliding is the cheaper way to go. Its hard to make alot of money as glider instructer as well.
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Well toad ya got a email or a number i can reach ya at?
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Gotta echo CrowMAW's advice, the cheapest way to get all the licenses you want is through the military, but you incur a 10 year committment from the time you finish pilot training. Military wings + $75 for the written test will get you your commercial multi-engine instrument license. Of course, no matter how much military time you log, it doesn't improve your status in the airline pecking order. Day one, you're the new guy, and get paid and treated accordingly.
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They dont just LET you be a pilot in the military. I beleive you say "hey um i wanna be a pilot." They look you over and say "nah dont think so, we found 1 guy who we think is better." Then they make you do a job you dont want to do like being a cook. Is that assumption right?
I'd rather not commit a chunk of my life to something i never wanted to do in the first place.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Heh...Creamo ...
Meanwhile, I have my PPL..about 225~hours, just renting. I've had it since 1992 and wish my fbo had the rental selection CyranoAH's does!
I have been very lucky indeed, it's the second largest club in Europe if I'm not mistaken and the only one that has both helos and twins.
Full list: C152, C172N, C172J, C182, PA28, PA18, PA27, C310, R22, Robin 200, Tecnam P92JS, CAP 10B, Zlin Z-50, Rally, 5 gliders, Bücker Jungmann, Dornier 27, T-34, Flamingo, Fairchild, and soon a Trenet Master
Daniel
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Originally posted by Wolfala
Bottom line Yucca, there are no guranteed career path's in aviation. Like the rest of life, its a crap shoot - albiet an expensive one. To get all of your ratings expect to spend $30,000 - but if yr just your private, then $10,000 isn't unusual. But don't go into it expecting to be making $100,000 out the door - yr lucky to be pullign $12,000 a yr like Frenchy said - and in many cases MUCH MUCH less. Thats why pilots are so good at waiting tables to support ourselves.
Wolf
Dont be fooled though....wolf does use his "pilot status" to pick up large amounts of woman. This suppliments his income as he is the only accredited pilot trainee male gigalo in N. America.
:aok
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Yeah, I do.
Post yours, I'll get in touch.
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Single engine PPL/IFR/floats/night 325 PIC.
You could always shoot for float pilot, and make the same money talked about before.....but you get the added luxury of black flies crappy old planes and the wondefull feature of loading your own plane, every ride. At least your sure of the COG loading.
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c_gresens@yahoo.com
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Private pilot and aircraft owner. My Comanche is up for sale right now. Not tired of flying but the wife and I are both retiring to travel full time in a RV. No way I'm going to let the bird sit on the ramp for months.
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my friend has worked his way up by paying for the lessons.
Commerical pilot that works for Air Combat USA (i can get free air combat sessions if someone doesn't show up:D ) and he is working on instructor liscense
lots of cash
soon as im old enough im going to start taking lessons for private pilot liscense.
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Originally posted by YUCCA
They dont just LET you be a pilot in the military. I beleive you say "hey um i wanna be a pilot." They look you over and say "nah dont think so, we found 1 guy who we think is better." Then they make you do a job you dont want to do like being a cook. Is that assumption right?
I'd rather not commit a chunk of my life to something i never wanted to do in the first place.
Well, there is a lot of work and lot of compitition to get a military pilot training slot, this is true. And it certainly isn't for everyone, especially if you don't really want to be in the military in the first place. The upside is, you get to fly the coolest planes around if you make it through. :D
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Well, would going out and getting all my ratings and licensing before i joined the military increase my chances of being accepted as a military pilot? Or would they not even look at that.
If it would increase the chances of being accepted how much so and what other variables would be involved (if any of you know.)
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Originally posted by YUCCA
Well, would going out and getting all my ratings and licensing before i joined the military increase my chances of being accepted as a military pilot? Or would they not even look at that.
If it would increase the chances of being accepted how much so and what other variables would be involved (if any of you know.)
The short answer is as follows:
You will be put through the same bull**** as everyone else, only you will go through it with fewer growing pains then the rest of your class assuming you are afforded a pilot slot. That does not mean you are any less expensive to train - the prevailing attitude would be to train the civilian way of flying out of you.
Much like the Navy has its own way of teaching aerodynamics as it applies to Navy aviation, civilians teach what applies to them. Remember, civilians we deal with airspeeds <200 knots mainly unless you are a lucky SOB with a Mooney Rocket. Military aircraft are on the bleeding edge of stalling at 200 knots.
I got off track here: it would show that YOU WERE MORE MOTIVATED and have investe some time then any other guy that walked in through the door with zero time and said he wanted to fly. But it does not improve your chances one bit - so if military is the way you want to go - I suggest you find a Colonel and suck his bellybutton hard. If you have any questions - the email is Wolfala@aol.com
Wolf
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Had my PPL for helicopters since 95 and CPL since 97 industry here is pretty busy as I think it is in other parts of the world for helo pilots. No idea what it's like for the ATPL crowd.
...-Gixer
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So what would the military be lookin for in a wannabe-pilot? IE: physical dimensions, courses in high school (do they look at your high school transcript?) I'm assuming that they'd put you through a specific program that would put you through physical tests, this really is no big deal EXCEPT i i can't swim if thats something that i'd have to do ( well i can swim, but if someone saw me they'd yell " a retarded kid is drowning!" then proceed ot drag me out of the water :)
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wolf does use his "pilot status" to pick up large amounts of woman.
hey, large women need love too. Thanks for taking it for the team!
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Originally posted by YUCCA
So what would the military be lookin for in a wannabe-pilot? IE: physical dimensions, courses in high school (do they look at your high school transcript?) I'm assuming that they'd put you through a specific program that would put you through physical tests, this really is no big deal EXCEPT i i can't swim if thats something that i'd have to do ( well i can swim, but if someone saw me they'd yell " a retarded kid is drowning!" then proceed ot drag me out of the water :)
As with anything academic - the better your grades are the better you look to any service. The chairforce is 90 % support and 10 % airborne - that is, 10 % fly - 90 % push a desk. The Marines, actually have the highest percentage of aviators relative to the size of the service which as you may know is very small compared to Army or Airforce. There is a market for helicopters - esp in the military: Army has the warrent officer program. USMC you have to be an Officer so that means either the Naval Academy of College then a commission. Either way, if you are set on it - you gotta have good grades, and if you don't have good grades - be a stubborn SOB outside of school. I wasn't great in academics but I was blessed with starting to fly at a very early age - so by the time I needed to make a commitment - I already had 700 + hours under my belt - that was my resume essentially. But my route was not the typical one.
BOTTOM LINE: Get good grades, study up on world affairs - background in political science, arms control and proliferation is a bonus so you don't look like another guy looking to play with a 20 millon dollar toy. You gotta sell yrself as with any job - but remember what you are giving up freedom wise for that job.
Wolf
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Ok i'm kinda tired but Umm Umm, I was talking about High School transcript, think you're suggesting i shoot for a 4 year degree before going into the service?
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UPS just axed alot of flight crews several months ago.
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Originally posted by YUCCA
Ok i'm kinda tired but Umm Umm, I was talking about High School transcript, think you're suggesting i shoot for a 4 year degree before going into the service?
If you want to fly you have no choice but to have a 4 year degree - unless you want to go into the Army Warrent Officer program. You fly sooner, but the downside is you are relegated to MANPAD's magnets - i.e. helicopters. So yes, school should ALWAYS come first.
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I'd echo that, you really need a four year degree for everything except the army. Frankly even the airlines often look for a college degree even with an ATPL and a couple of thousand hours. A way around it would be to consider combining flight training with college courses in a place like Embry Riddle. Or go to a flight school with an airline connection like Delta Connection.
All of this costs a lot of money of course. But if you really really want to fly for a living you will find a way. If not you can make a successful career in something else and fly privately. Make no mistake achieving a career as a pilot is hard work and is only for self starters and the single minded. It is worth it in the end, I think!
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ARRRRgghh. Someone suggested i go get my ratings and what not before goign to college, then go to college and instruct on my free time for $. Sounds like a good idea?
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Originally posted by Steve
wolf does use his "pilot status" to pick up large amounts of woman.
hey, large women need love too. Thanks for taking it for the team!
Why's that? Is he a cargo pilot!:eek:
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Originally posted by YUCCA
ARRRRgghh. Someone suggested i go get my ratings and what not before goign to college, then go to college and instruct on my free time for $. Sounds like a good idea?
What is your flight experience so far? Is it something you would want to invest 3-5 years just to get "started" in for a career or is it something that you would do more as a hobby?
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Yucca, the sine qua non for a career in aviation, or any other decent career in your generation, will be a collage degree. While a degree may not increase ones intelligence, social skills, vocabulary, spelling, or manners, it does display an ability to learn.
If you have the money for flight school, you have the money to start collage. If a career in aviation is your goal, then talk to a Navy or Air Force recruiter. Do your four years in collage and let ROTC pick up the tab. Upon graduation apply for flight school. If you are accepted, you are home free. If not, you serve four years as a commissioned officer (manager), as opposed to a cook. Your salary will certainly be more than $1000 per month, and you can still obtain your PPL, and any other certification you wish, at the base aero club.
Good Luck Grasshopper…
-ro
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Really no much flight experience. My uncle owns a hanger and does all the repairs on aircraft for his airport (helena montana) and he also owns a plane that he leases out (he's afriad of hieghts) so he once asked his good friend (who is an instructor) to take me up for a lil while. Thats really the only thing i got going for me at the moment.
But once again, would it be wise to go ahead and get all my ratings and certification and what not before attending a 4 year college and instruct on my free time (and i hear it would look to the guys who let you into the militaries pilot school)
Was also thinking about maybe tryin to get into the Air Gaurd and apply for the UPT slot after college.
Thoughts on this?
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If you have the money for flight school, you have the money to start collage.
No not really, i imagine student loans, and a part time job would have to do. Kinda depends on where i go ot school at as well. If i went to a college in Helena Montana i would be able to work all my uncles connections (remember he has hanger and alot of freinds there.)
Or was thinking of maybe witchita since they are like top civilian airplane manufacturers in U.S (only if a good college is there)
Or, i could go to the local KSU (kansas state university.) They have a flight program (think college might be where i get my plan B instead of just working on plane A) so not sure if the flight program would be for me. And there is a local airport bout 15 miles out. (just runs commuters to kansas city and lincoln *i think*)
Thoughts?
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Well YUCCA, others have said it already, but they're right, all the pilots in the Air Force, Navy, and Marines are officers, and to be an officer you need at least a bachelor's degree. That said, I can tell you how I got a pilot slot out of the Air Force. Do well in high school first of all so you can get to college. I went to the AF Academy, which typically gets enough pilot slots for all the medically qualified cadets that grauduate every year (there were 930 in my graduating class, and 545 got slots). Of course, going to an Academy means putting up with WAY more BS than going the ROTC or ANG route. One of the best kept secrets out there is the Air National Guard. If you apply and get picked up at a unit that flies the plane you're interested in, they'll send you to Officer Commisioning School and then to pilot training. Of course, you still need that pesky degree first.
As for getting your ratings before college, I can't really help, sounds like Wolfala and the other guys can tell you what you need to know about how much money, time, and work go into that. Good luck whichever way you decide to go.
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Lotsa real pilots play this game and hang out on these boards. Interesting... I would have never known. Only thing I ever flew was AH and an RC plane.
:D
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YUCCA,
Bottom line is this - your asking how you do it - were telling you THE WAY IT IS without any of the bull**** and glory. And there is some glory to it - but also a TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF BULL****. If you ever had to read the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR's) - they are written essentially in response to how people fluffied up - SO YOU KNOW its gonna be thick, and it is. And much like the bible - sorry guys, but a lot of it is dogmatic doctrinal bull**** that doesn't mean anything in the first place - but you still have to know it. Your buying into a culture and way of living and thinking - and its a HUGE sacrefice so make no mistake about it - 90 % of people that start training for their private FAIL to finish. My class starting was 115 in 1999 - I finished with 15.
Wolf
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Originally posted by YUCCA
Really no much flight experience. My uncle owns a hanger and does all the repairs on aircraft for his airport (helena montana) and he also owns a plane that he leases out (he's afriad of hieghts) so he once asked his good friend (who is an instructor) to take me up for a lil while. Thats really the only thing i got going for me at the moment.
But once again, would it be wise to go ahead and get all my ratings and certification and what not before attending a 4 year college and instruct on my free time (and i hear it would look to the guys who let you into the militaries pilot school)
Was also thinking about maybe tryin to get into the Air Gaurd and apply for the UPT slot after college.
Thoughts on this?
Here's my .02 and FWIW thoughts...
Since you don't have a lot of flight time at the moment, find an instructor at your field and ask if you sit in on some ground sessions and ride backseat for a few flights so you can get a good idea of what is involved in the training. Key lessons I can think of you'd want to sit in on would be any cross country flights for private, or instrument training, and any of the commercial ground or flight. All three ratings have at least some cross country flight requirements where they probably wouldn't mind having someone in the back, and the ground sessions get progressively tougher per respective rating.
That should at least give you something to think on for deciding if it's a viable career path for you.
As for the most cost effective way to do it...
Military;
upside - they'll cover everything if you make pilot
downside - 4 year degree prerequisite for most and you have to make "the cut" to pilot.
alternate - get any mil job, pay for your private rating on your own, have your G.I. benifits cover advanced ratings and college classes when your hitch is up.
Self financed;
Saw an article in one of the flight magazines a while back called the $250,000.00 mistake, which discussed poor choices for flight training. If you make enough poor choices, you could easily hit that figure and possibly have an interest rate on top of it.
upside - can do your ratings at more of your own pace and choose your training environment.
downside - you have to pay for it.
The big picture;
To get any sort of paying job (and the pay will be terrible at first) you'll have to have a minimum of a commercial and instrument ratings appropriate to what you'll be flying. With those minimums, you'll be very limited as to what jobs you qualify for.
Once you hit the 500 hour mark, you have a few more options.
At 1200 hours, a lot more options. At 1500 hours, add on another rating and you've got most bases covered. However, even with the hours and ratings, pretty much no one is going to talk to you until you have at least 1000 hours and most of the real paying jobs are going to require 2000 hours. There are a very few exceptions to this rule, though.
Now that the flight time is covered; any of the major airlines are going to require a 4 year degree. Most reqionals require a 2 year degree. Some cargo or scenic tour places just prefer degrees.
The kicker to all the "requirements" is that if you know someone on the inside, there are loopholes to get around a lot of them.
So, how do you get all these hours built up? Military is pretty obvious. Going the self financed route, the most common paths are either working as a flight instructor or something called "bought time." Flight instructing is self explanitory. "Bought time" is referreing to places where you pay them to let you sit in the right seat until you have enough hours to move to the left seat. That's becoming the more common option lately.
If you want to combine the flight training with a degree program, there are also multiple options. Embry Riddle, Mesa pilot development program, or Utah Valley State college are probably the leaders in that area.
If you want to try and crunch numbers to figure out a cost, here's a formula that I've found to be pretty accurate;
Find out the going rate for plane rental and an instructor where you're going to do your training.
Multiply required flight training hours by 1.5 (plane rental cost)
Add instructor cost per hour to plane rental cost.
For each hour of flight, add 2 hours of ground (instructor cost only).
For example - regs say you must have 40 hours of flight training for your private pilot. National average is closer to 60 for actually completing it. 60 hours plane rental and instructor + 120 hours of ground with instructor only, should give you a rough estimate on cost with a little room for fudge factor on the high end if you put a lot of effort into being proactive in your training. That number wont include things like books, toys, and testing fees.
If you want to see what's required by the regs for a particular rating, you can google these for the airplane ratings;
FAR 61.109(a) (private)
FAR 61.65(d) (instument)
FAR 61.129(a) (commercial)
FAR 61.159(a) (airline)
FAR 135.243 (the 500/1200 hour thing)
Hope that all makes some sense. Let me know if I can provide any more confusion for you.
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Well i could try for the PPL. See how things are going after that. If i want to go anyfurther than that i can just pay as i go or what not. What would be another way for a guy to get hours if he has a PPL and hasn't began tryin for his instrument rating.?
Edit: If i chose to continue after i got a PPL i'd just to the instrument rating. Get through college (maybe loggin some extra hours in the seat before im through)
Then if i chose to continue, i could try filling out that UTP (is that right?) slot that the airgaurd gives out. Or whatever, basically trying to get someone to pay for the rest of my training if possible. Seems to me CPL is a BIG STEP/ investment.
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Originally posted by YUCCA
Well i could try for the PPL. See how things are going after that. If i want to go anyfurther than that i can just pay as i go or what not. What would be another way for a guy to get hours if he has a PPL and hasn't began tryin for his instrument rating.?
Hit your friends up to share costs to fly places. Note that "share" is the operative word in there. If you present it as "Hey, I'm a pilot and I'll fly you there if you pay for the plane." You're asking for a lot of trouble.
Google FAR 61.113 for what you can and can't do with a PPL.
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Question, could say two guys who fly a trainer plane are flying together, (one in rightseat and one in leftseat) both be able to log hours.?
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So by the looks of it i got to share the cost of the airplane equally with freinds if not more *but no less than they pay* to get my hours? sweeeeet :)
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bump
hope yall dont mind me bumpin this post up:D
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upsy daisy
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Originally posted by YUCCA
Question, could say two guys who fly a trainer plane are flying together, (one in rightseat and one in leftseat) both be able to log hours.?
As I understand it Yucca, you can only log PIC (pilot in command) time or Duel time with an CFI. I don't think you can both be pilot in command at the same time.
I will look in my FAR/AIM and see what the reference # is.
You can Log hood time with another pilot acting as safety pilot but this is logged as duel time simulated inst. time.
ahh found it in AIM 1995 (only one I had a work)
US FAR 61-51 Pilot Logbooks
FAR/AIM = Federal Aviation Regulations and Aeronautical Information Manual
61.51 c-2 i
covers it
"You may only log pilot in command time when you are the sole manipulator of the controls".
I read that as you can only have one PIC at a time. If you and a pilot buddy fly for an hour someplace and then return you can each log the two hour flight put only one hour each.
You cant each get two hours logged for the trip.
hope that answers your question
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Sure does, thanks.
That's really all the questions i can think of at the moment. But if i find more i'll put em up. Thanks guys.
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Yucca, get this and read through it.
Part 61 FAQ (http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/afs800/docs/pt61FAQ.doc)