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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Yeager on May 11, 2004, 09:10:33 AM
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anyone else see this one brewing?
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We crushed the last socialist union.
lazs
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Economic - sure.
Military - Im not sure there is even the design or capacity.
Dont fret, a band of third world countries is still a band of third world countries. :D
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Economic - sure.
Military - Im not sure there is even the design or capacity.
Dont fret, a band of third world countries is still a band of third world countries. :D
LMAO...Maybe there is truth to the fact that Americans are errogant.
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I think civil wars over stupid EU rules and National traditions are more likely.
Then again Europe started 2 WWs so why not a third?
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Military?
Why? Is there any oil there? ;)
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wishful thinking??
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or you could just let the problem take care of itself as these things have a habit of doing...(i do find it funny that once again france and germany are working on "uniting" all of europe...though since its working so well i figure there is some truth to the old "the pen is mightier than the sword)...or you could let somebody else handle it for a couple years before going in there...as usual
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I see it's Yuroop bashing season again.
I'll only say this: the AN-28 kicks any US made plans arse. Even the Skyvan - that one is expensive and prone to mechanical failure.
Beaten by the Russians. Again.
I do like your Cessna's, though. :D
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Originally posted by Yeager
anyone else see this one brewing?
No, the only way it will happen is if America attacks first. The Europeons are not perticulary found of war. They know first hand the horrors. Plus both our economys would suffer if we started sanctions against each other.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
No, the only way it will happen is if America attacks first. The Europeons are not perticulary found of war. They know first hand the horrors. Plus both our economys would suffer if we started sanctions against each other.
since when did "evil communist wackos" care about the economy
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
No, the only way it will happen is if America attacks first. The Europeons are not perticulary found of war. They know first hand the horrors. Plus both our economys would suffer if we started sanctions against each other.
Well then hell, what are we waiting for? There are at least another 20 new American states just waiting to be 'invited' to join our union.
'New Chicago' sounds much more American than 'Paris.' Besides, some of the food over there fits the 'WMD' definition better than nerve gas.
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TRoll
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Well then hell, what are we waiting for? There are at least another 20 new American states just waiting to be 'invited' to join our union.
'New Chicago' sounds much more American than 'Paris.' Besides, some of the food over there fits the 'WMD' definition better than nerve gas.
Then go enlist coward. Plenty of room in the military. Or are you just a chickenhawk?
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Then go enlist coward. Plenty of room in the military. Or are you just a chickenhawk?
I think he's aboot to set the hook eh? ;)
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Then go enlist coward. Plenty of room in the military. Or are you just a chickenhawk?
Hmm... going to have to craft my trolls in a somewhat softer manner next go'round. Cant have everyone blowing their load in one post.
Although I would normally jump at the opportunity to take pictures of naked Frenchmen in a pile (I never joined a frat in college, feel kinda left out), I did that whole 'military thing' years ago.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Hmm... going to have to craft my trolls in a somewhat softer manner next go'round. Cant have everyone blowing their load in one post.
Although I would normally jump at the opportunity to take pictures of naked Frenchmen in a pile (I never joined a frat in college, feel kinda left out), I did that whole 'military thing' years ago.
Yea i was in a frat. I guess i am just having horrible flashbacks.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Yea i was in a frat. I guess i am just having horrible flashbacks.
Ah, I always wondered about the significance of your name here.
Now its all clear.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Hmm... going to have to craft my trolls in a somewhat softer manner next go'round. Cant have everyone blowing their load in one post.
Nah Mazz, you were doing fine... A good intro with the "third world countries" remark, a good body shot with the "annex Europe" remark that got you labeled a "coward" and "chickenhawk," and a most excellent finish with the "pictures of naked Frenchmen" statement.
All in all, very well done...especially for a Volkswagen driver.
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:D
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Hey, you made ME laugh :)
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yA Mazz.... that was done nicely bud.
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9/10
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Hooked a big one Saur :aok
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Bush started a trade war with the EU by imposing tariffs on steel the EU responded with tariff's of it's own and Bush quickly backed down.
According to the US Census Bureau, the US had a $94,262,100,00 trade deficiate with the EU in 2003. So basically if the US or EU started a trade war, the US would lose over 94 billion dollars worth of goods a year, and that would have a sever impact on the the US stardard of living.
http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c0003.html#2004
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$94,262,100,00
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Thats pocket change to the US economy. EU can consider that a lunch tip.
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Captain, I am detecting a high concentration of trollium here, I suggest we beam up.
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Originally posted by Yeager
$94,262,100,00
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Thats pocket change to the US economy. EU can consider that a lunch tip.
China ? :D
small minus and small minus and small minus is a bit bigger minus.
Actualy what about your debt ?
edit: Actualy Eu has become a bit bigger now, so you can expect big raise of that number. Since Eu company can now move to cheaper regions inside Eu, price of Eu products for export could go a bit down in next few years.
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seriously. the us economy farts and a trillion dollars shoots out the stove pipe. whoopty doo!
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Originally posted by Thrawn
http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c0003.html#2004
thanks for great link
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Originally posted by Yeager
anyone else see this one brewing?
No, but it is going to be hilarious watching our 'Free Trade' President try to defend our farm subsidies; and then lose again.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Then again Europe started 2 WWs so why not a third?
Um...I thihk WW3's already here...and the Europeans didn't start this one.
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
Captain, I am detecting a high concentration of trollium here, I suggest we beam up.
Elle est trop forte celle la :rofl :rofl
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Canada (US's largest trading partner), does over a billion dollars of trade with the US.... a day.
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While you fret over the EU and it's economic threat to the US the silent Japanese are building their Uber Mecha arming planning and building with all the income they get from their cheap automobile and eletronics industries, you shall see when japanese attack Pearol harboh again with 20' tall mecha with guns and missiles and stuff you'll see !
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Originally posted by Nash
Canada (US's largest trading partner), does over a billion dollars of trade with the US.... a day.
post link please.
( i have small doubts that Canada is No.1... it could be china)
Problem is not how much money does flow. But whats diference between import/export.
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US Gov website: http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/top/dst/2003/12/balance.html
2003
CANADA 393.65 Billion
MEXICO 235.53 Billion
CHINA 180.80 Billion
JAPAN 170.09 Billion
FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY 96.89 Billion
UNITED KINGDOM 76.56 Billion
KOREA, REPUBLIC OF 61.06 Billion
TAIWAN 49.09 Billion
FRANCE 46.29 Billion
ITALY 36.01 Billion
We more than double the trade the US does with China. Pretty much dwarf everyone else.
Reminds me of everyone thinking the the biggest oil supplier to the US was some middle eastern country. Bzzzt again.
Whyssat so hard to believe Lada et al? It's the igloo thing, right? :)
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Originally posted by lada
Problem is not how much money does flow. But whats diference between import/export.
The difference.... the US ran a $123,960.74 million deficit with us in 2003. They bought more of our stuff than we bought of theirs. That's pretty representative over the course of a number of years.
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Originally posted by Yeager
$94,262,100,00
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Thats pocket change to the US economy. EU can consider that a lunch tip.
If by "pocket change" you mean "just compare it to the existing trillions in debt and it's a relatively small amount" kind of way...then yea, I agree.
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Here is what I have believed is possible in Europe:
I think a war in Europe is possible between EU states that could trigger another world war some day. The reason I feel this is not based on "fear" or "euro bashing" like some have said to me before, but rather it's based on human nature.
The EU will some day be all the all controlling influence in Europe. Even countries that are not in the EU will be beholden to it economically. Member state's will be required to keep up economically. Some day, it is not so hard for me to imagine a member state being slighted or brushed aside and left totally helpess, with little voice in it's affairs. I believe that a war could be caused due to member states being treated not as equals, but as pawns.
Wars have started for far less reasons. I just see a powder keg over the intangeling mess of EU control over soveriegn states affairs. And the economic bond will at first be good, but may end be the chain that keeps member states in line and ultimatley controlled.
It will be interersting to see how it plays out. I really feel for the UK. The UK is getting dragged into this weather it likes it or not. The UK MUST bi in the EU for economic reasons, yet I'm not so sure they really want to end up giving up so much of their sovereignty.
I'm by no means up to speed on all the legalities of the EU, I just sort of have had this gut instinct that it's a powder keg ready to go off some day.
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What worries me is just how democratic this new euro superstate will be.
Will there still be independant national governemts? Will they have any power to cater to and freely argue the needs of their people?
How much power will the new class of unelected bureocrats have? Where will the majorirty of them come from, which countries, schools, philosophies?
How will they be accountable to the people?
How much corruption and back room dealswill there be?
How transparent will the process be?
Will the EU become a bureocratic state like post ww2 growth era Japan?
Will there be strong multinational political parties to counter and check the EU bureocrats?
To me these are far more pressing and disturbing issues than fantasies about a war...
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Grun, all of the things you posted are some of the same reasons wars have been fueled by. I wouldn't be so fast to rule out a war based on any one of these concernes.
War is not something that is rare to occurr.....in fact it's more difficult for people to live in peace than it is to have war. War is in man's nature and that won't change any time soon. Combine all the elements of different states being controlled with little voice, and you have as good a chance at war as anything in history.
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later dudes
this bbs is a piece of **** anti-american heaven now. Don't reckon I'll be back.....
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We are the world.
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Originally posted by Yeager
We are the world.
and...
"Ich bin ein Berliner"
It prolly all boils down to Kevin Bacon somehow.
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Originally posted by Glasses
While you fret over the EU and it's economic threat to the US the silent Japanese are building their Uber Mecha arming planning and building with all the income they get from their cheap automobile and eletronics industries, you shall see when japanese attack Pearol harboh again with 20' tall mecha with guns and missiles and stuff you'll see !
No I think they'll use NINJAS.....Ninjas can kill anyone....SO I've heard.
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We are Japan!
Sidenote: Ive often said we should re-militarize Japan and send them to secure Arabia and its black gold. Even 60 years ago the Japanese had the art of suicide down to a science, them Keerazy a-rabs wouldnt stand a chance against the Bataan Boiz!
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AM telling you the only reason the Japanese don't have Mechas yet is because of their treaty after WW2 if we let them build new weapons oh man oh man oh man that lil ****tey al qaedas will be shating for Allah :D :rofl
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We got the most nukes, Europe is stuck with France. We win.
:rofl
dago
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
No I think they'll use NINJAS.....Ninjas can kill anyone....SO I've heard.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Yeager
anyone else see this one brewing?
I'd be worrying about China if I was you.
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Originally posted by Nash
and...
"Ich bin ein Berliner"
It prolly all boils down to Kevin Bacon somehow.
[eddie izzard mode]
"and the crowd just went ****in wild!
10% what you say, 10% how you look, and the rest is how you say it
'Did he just say he was a jelly doughnut?'
'Yeah I think he did... what does it mean?'
'Oh I dont know... he's american... american slang: 'He's a ****in donut.. a ****in donut!'
[/izzard]
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Dont fret, a band of third world countries is still a band of third world countries. :D
Hmmm... funny how two of those "third world" countries just happen to be amongst the four largest economies in the world. (http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/jester.gif)
I voted YES to Europe in the 1975 referendum. That was a vote for free trade, abolition of tariffs between borders, and the freedom to live and work in any of the other member states - a privilege which I have since exercised.
But I do NOT want a federal European superstate, or to live in a country called Europe.
The EU is an economic alliance, not a military one.
What's this about the US being awash with funds? Someone please explain to me the mechanics of the Grumm-Rudman law. :D
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Originally posted by beet1e
funny how two of those "third world" countries just happen to be amongst the four largest economies in the world.
I thought you did not want to bash France anymore...
Yet you didn't say, "Three of those "third world" countries just happen to be amongst the five largest economies in the world." Why did you leave out France?
In US$ Billions as of 2003:
1---USA -----------10,208
2---Japan------------4,149
3---Germany---------1,847
4---U Kingdom--------1,424
5---France-----------1,307
6---China------------1,159
7---Italy-------------1,089
8---Canada-----------700
9---Mexico------------618
10--Spain-------------582
Interesting trivia: California's economy is about the same size as France's.
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
Captain, I am detecting a high concentration of trollium here, I suggest we beam up.
LOL :rofl
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LOL where the *** should that war going on in the mid altlantic ? :rofl
Some people have a great fantasy, trying to think out if there will be a war between EU and USA, its to silly.
We might disagree somthimes but mostly we agree and have the same fundamental toughts of how to live our lifes.
Suggest the thread starter can go bake a cake thats a more intelligent behaviour.
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Japan+Mecha= very very baaaad ^-^
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Originally posted by airguard
LOL where the *** should that war going on in the mid altlantic ? :rofl
They call 'em navies, airguard... navies can fight wars in the middle of the ocean. Kinda what they were designed for.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
They call 'em navies, airguard... navies can fight wars in the middle of the ocean. Kinda what they were designed for.
Ofcourse navys , but for what reason ? disagrement over politics ? resources ? It do sound stupid