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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: txmx on May 12, 2004, 12:51:57 AM
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And to his family in this very hard time.
The world we live in is becoming more and more cruel.
And I find that very sad.
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yeah
I also pray they catch the chickenchit cowardly face covering bastages!
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I also pray his family never ever ever see that video
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
I also pray his family never ever ever see that video
Man aint that the truth .
My God I have seen my share of dead people but that made me sick for real I had to go outside and have a smoke I was queazy.
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Looking at that video made me very angry.
I hope they kill every last of of those terrorist craps and f*king Ala too.
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:(
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This is the last line for me, im damn pissed now. Thats disgusting the majority of them people in that damn country are inhuman.
That whole war over there is a giant cluster ****, because the politics wont let the generals do their job. You cannot fight this war and get anywhere by sitting around and letting inocent people die for nothing, sit at the base and get hit by RPGs etc. You cannot let bush monkeys like al queiwhatever the hell sneak around kid napping people, tortering them.
IMHO they need get damn brutal and fight the war like the Terrorists are doing, you cant win this unless you give them their own chit.
sorry im just really depressed by this, it makes me sick and extremely sad for the family ive never knowen humans could be so inhuman.
How can you hold a person down and saw off their head, when that person was in your country trying to rebuild it and give you fresh water etc.
Alright now that im calmd down more, i think they really need a secret organization or someone needs to form a group and go over there and give them the same chit, kidnapp their people and kill them. Much like how Pablo Escobars drug ring was snapped by "Los Pepes"
BTW- RIP Nick Berg may you enjoy life everlasting.<>
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Originally posted by MaddDog
This is the last line for me, im damn pissed now. Thats disgusting the majority of them people in that damn country are inhuman.
Alright now that im calmd down more, i think they really need a secret organization or someone needs to form a group and go over there and give them the same chit, kidnapp their people and kill them. Much like how Pablo Escobars drug ring was snapped by "Los Pepes"
BTW- RIP Nick Berg may you enjoy life everlasting.<>
I'd join that group in a NY second
im still so F***ing mad i cant post what I'm thinking and feeling..:mad: :mad: :mad: %@#%$@%#$*@#$*@#$@^%#$@^%#$@^%#$^%$^%@$#!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I agree with you man, im sick of all this anti american BS, when people over there are doing that kinda watermelon to inocent americans that arent even in the war. If were gonna get called all this crap, and people are letting this happen, then lets be what they call us, give them their own watermelon if were so damn bad. I bet you a million one of those Terrorist shrecks wouldnt be so big if we had him in that possition.
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I also pray they catch the chickenchit cowardly face covering bastages!
Which particular "cowardly face covering bastages" are you refering to?:confused:
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Your reaction is EXACTLY what Al Quaida want to see. The madder the US gets the better it is for them. You kill more of them, they kill more of us. There is no nation to defeat. It will never end and there's a fair chance that any of us will die at any time. Not as big a chance that many many innocent Iraquis will die though. Still that all helps Al Quaida too. The more violence and death there is the better Al Quaida like it. The more rage there is from the West the greater their success.
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FOGOLD, the 5 jackarses the sawd off an inocent americans head while he was alive on video and then held it up.
The cowards cant even show their faces.
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Thats why i said you cant do this with a military. You need people or an organization to put fear into the people going out and doing this.
Back awhile ago when Pablo Escobar was a major drug lord, he did this same type of BS. Fineally the columbian government, maybe with help of the U.S. or maybe another group of individuals that called themselves "Los Pepes" or somethin, formd and started killing off Escobars men, until most all of his ring was dead, they all started gettin scared because they got a taste of their own crap. His men got scared to even be alive in day to day life, and fineally he was taken out.
Death is bad all around, but they were attacking us before we ever went to iraq, if we left iraq rightnow it would not stop, there is no way to win this, maybe you are right, but still why sit here waiting to die, id rather take some with me.
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To do what you are talking about you need to have very smart operatives working inside the Islamist groups. These people are hard to find! I agree this would be a more measured and sensible response than this stupid stupid war.
Also of course we need to solve problems like Palestine which fuel the whole thing in the first place. Glib but true.
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rgr that, sad times we are living, i honestly wish the world could just be at peace and no one had to die. Specially in ways like that.:(
Only problem is, even the people who just wana help or be left alone and at peace, get killed for nothing.
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Let this be a warning to U.S. troops- DONT GET CAPTURED!
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Originally posted by MaddDog
Death is bad all around, but they were attacking us before we ever went to iraq, if we left iraq rightnow it would not stop, there is no way to win this, maybe you are right, but still why sit here waiting to die, id rather take some with me.
Starting this war has showed to be a dumb move.
Maybe the nations that some time ago you (in general) decided to label as "terrorists lovers", "cowards", were'nt so wrong by telling your government to not start it.
But now it's too late.
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Originally posted by txmx
And to his family in this very hard time.
The world we live in is becoming more and more cruel.
And I find that very sad.
I am not a believer, but I have the same feelings.
R.I.P. Nick.
:(
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Originally posted by FOGOLD
To do what you are talking about you need to have very smart operatives working inside the Islamist groups. These people are hard to find! I agree this would be a more measured and sensible response than this stupid stupid war.
Also of course we need to solve problems like Palestine which fuel the whole thing in the first place. Glib but true.
It wouldn't be so hard really. It would mainly take a "willingness" to do it. I read somthing awhile ago dont know for sure if it's true: At one point in time the KGB sent a clear message to all terrorist groups: attack us and we shall come for yur wives, mothers, fathers, children, neighbors, everyone you care about before we come get you.
Like i said i don't know if it's true but, back in the day you didn't hear about terrorists from outside the soviet union starting any crap with em.
Give em a taste of their own medicine then see if they still have the stomache for being terrorists
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so, for all of you guys who think we should deal with this giving them back their own treatment.
what would be our point in being there? the excuse of the day for this war is that we had to remove Saddam's cruel, sadistic rule, that had no freedom, basic human rights or justice for the Iraqi people. (that is the latest excuse isn't it. I mean we aren't there to enforce the UN resolution because the UN didn't want us to go, the WMD thing turned out to be a big bust, and the link between Iraq and 9-11 hasn't been found and the last I heard the pentagon said there was no real evidence that there was ever a link).
so as I understand it the current reason we are there is to replace the evil Saddam, right? or is there a new one?
so if we go over there and do as some of you are saying, and lower our selves to their standards. if we eliminate with extreme prejudice anyone who isn't on-board with what we have planed for Iraq, and do so in the cruelest and intimidating way possible, whats the point? I mean if we are just going to go take Saddam out and then continue to rule the country the way he did, well that just seems kinda pointless, and we just sent our guys off to die for no good reason other than to allow us to drain our treasury into Iraq.
some of you may have missed this lesson as a kid, so I'll catch you up. you have certain standards of behavior for yourself, and for how you treat others. you follow these standards not because the others deserve it, but because of who you are, and who you'll become if you abandon your standards.
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Give em a taste of their own medicine then see if they still have the stomache for being terrorists
That way lies madness. I would rather I and my family died a thousand times at the hand of terrorists than my country carry out unjust and unlawful acts against any innocent. I would also doubt if I lived in any kind of mraningful society any more.
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You know I think this thread was supposed to be tribute to the deceased.
But right now the world, like the posters here, argue over his grave.
So lets put aside this for now and remember the victim and his family and say a prayer for them.
Our Father who art in Heaven
Hallowed by Thy Name
Thy Kingdom come
Thy Will be done
On Earth as it is in Heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespass
As we forgive those who trespass against us
And lead us not into temptation
But deliver us from evil
For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power, the Glory, forever
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Nick Berg, and R.I.P.
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That was a horrible and unhuman act of the coward terrorists.
It made me sick when I saw it on the news (thank god they did not show the whole video) but it was enough for me. It still pops up in my head today, and I wonder how rotten this people are.
I hope his family, has been told not to watch the news, It is more than parents can take seeing a video like that.
Worst thing is prolly more of it coming the next weeks/months.
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Originally posted by airguard
That was a horrible and unhuman act of the coward terrorists.
It made me sick when I saw it on the news (thank god they did not show the whole video) but it was enough for me. It still pops up in my head today, and I wonder how rotten this people are.
I hope his family, has been told not to watch the news, It is more than parents can take seeing a video like that.
Worst thing is prolly more of it coming the next weeks/months.
I
be glad u didnt see the video I wish I hadn't now i can't sleep
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Mr. Berg
One of many, but nevertheless one the cruelestly killed.
He wasn't even a soldier was he? He must've been the first american they could get...
I read it was a payback of the inhumanities in the Iraqy prisons or something
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Originally posted by Naso
Starting this war has showed to be a dumb move.
Maybe the nations that some time ago you (in general) decided to label as "terrorists lovers", "cowards", were'nt so wrong by telling your government to not start it.
But now it's too late.
Yeah, your right. And we should have told the Brits and French to ignore the Germany/Poland thingie in 1939, too. Too late now, I guess.
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As to those who suggest we "become our enemy"........
Think about it.
I can't believe I'm even reading that stuff.
That way lies the end of the world.
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Originally posted by frank3
I read it was a payback of the inhumanities in the Iraqy prisons or something
Yes, because this is the first time an American civilian has been brutally murdered in front of a camera... 'retaliation' my ass. Just something different to say after you hold the severed head up.
RIP Mr. Berg... and especially his parents, who will experience this pain far longer than the victim did.
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I assume they'd been smart enough not to watch the video
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
so, for all of you guys who think we should deal with this giving them back their own treatment.
what would be our point in being there? the excuse of the day for this war is that we had to remove Saddam's cruel, sadistic rule, that had no freedom, basic human rights or justice for the Iraqi people. (that is the latest excuse isn't it. I mean we aren't there to enforce the UN resolution because the UN didn't want us to go, the WMD thing turned out to be a big bust, and the link between Iraq and 9-11 hasn't been found and the last I heard the pentagon said there was no real evidence that there was ever a link).
so as I understand it the current reason we are there is to replace the evil Saddam, right? or is there a new one?
so if we go over there and do as some of you are saying, and lower our selves to their standards. if we eliminate with extreme prejudice anyone who isn't on-board with what we have planed for Iraq, and do so in the cruelest and intimidating way possible, whats the point? I mean if we are just going to go take Saddam out and then continue to rule the country the way he did, well that just seems kinda pointless, and we just sent our guys off to die for no good reason other than to allow us to drain our treasury into Iraq.
some of you may have missed this lesson as a kid, so I'll catch you up. you have certain standards of behavior for yourself, and for how you treat others. you follow these standards not because the others deserve it, but because of who you are, and who you'll become if you abandon your standards.
Thats not what im saying at all in respect to killing innocents. My point is if we make the "threat" of retribution so horrible that they would choose not to commit barbaric acts. they being "terrorists" not innocent people who have done nothing.
And befor u say "but the reletives are innocent!!" . Give me a break the proverbial apple ussually doesn't fall to far from the tree in these instantsis
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Originally posted by Toad
Yeah, your right. And we should have told the Brits and French to ignore the Germany/Poland thingie in 1939, too. Too late now, I guess.
Ca c'est du post de plouc inculte de premiere classe
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LOL!
If there was a "plouc inculte", he made the post to which I responded. And yours too, I guess.
I suppose it's possible that both of you have worked hard to be a "plouc cultivé" though. Considering your fine, strapping growth and all in that field.
:p
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1-je n'ai pas posté précédement
2-je ne vois pas en quoi ma réaction me fait être d'accord ou pas avec Naso quand j'ai une idée je l'écrit moi-même et si je suis d'accord avec l'idée d'un autre je l'écrit je ne le laisse pas deviner
Je comprend votre énervement et votre réaction par rapport a cet acte d'une sauvagerie abjecte.
Mais littéralement <CHIER> sur la mémoire des gents qui se sont battu en 1939 pour essayer de sauver quelque chose.
Ce n'est pas ce que l'on peut appeller une réaction intelligente.
Surtout que le rapport avec la discution présente est inexistant.
Et les histoires comme : c'est lui qui a commencé le premier
on a quitté depuis longtemps la maternelle,bordel !
Marre de ce BBS de naze.
rahhhh ca va mieux ;)
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Sorry for my original post, it was already a rough day and i came home to see that, just put me over the top.
Although, i think we should do something about these guys who repeatedly do this crap. IMHO we have already sent our troops there to die for nothing, they cannot even barely act as soldiers, everytime they go to battle, after theyve lost friends etc, they get orderd to pull out.
And saying "us (the americans) in general" lable countrys who told us not to do it as cowards etc is dumb. I have no problem with any of the other countrys, they dont wana help us its fine.
To me it seems like alota people are forgetting about 911. They (terrorists) attackd us first and repeatedly. The way i see the Iraq war, is that we sent troops there to takeout an evil man who possibly posed a threat to us, but more importantly abused his own people, alota the people in iraq didnt have things we take for granted ( water, power, clean living conditions etc, and they lived in fear daily).
The oil thing i dont buy, i mean why? we have fairly good relations with the Saudis and Kuwaitis we didnt really need iraqs oil, and now we are using that oil money to rebuild their country and provide fresh water, power etc for all the people of iraq.
Only problem is, they keep killing us for no reason, sure were in their country for the time being, but we dont wana be there anymore then they want us there, personally i think we just wana get a government set up thats not crooked and is fair and just etc, a government that the people want in office, not someone who killed to get his way on top.
Now because a very select few americans abused some Iraq POWs (which i do not like and think lowers whatever respect we did have) are taking to hating the US. When terrorist kidnapp and brutally kill inocent americans who dont have anything to do with that mess over there. Thats what makes me most mad.
As to my idea, it would not be hard at all, All you need is some CIA agents willing to do the job, agents who know the culture and speak the language.
Then have those people who are selected swallow or maybe place it in their hair or somewhere VERY hidden and not noticble a mini device that a satilite or other machine could track.(not sure if something like this exists, but im sure it could be develpod pretty easy).
Next have these agents pose as contractors, just the average american helping in iraq, but put them in places where kidnappings are high. They would have specific places to be at certain times, they dont show up, they are kidnapped. Youd then follow the tracking signal to the whatever location.
Have an aircraft follow the signal off in the distance, determine the location and send in troops.
obviously this is a rough overview that could be perfected GREATLY, but thats just my idea.
anyways my ranting will not help any of the situation and i agree this post was to remember and honor and brave and good man.
Again RIP Nick Berg.
(Note): sorry if spelling and grammer isnt so great, had to type in a hurry.
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Originally posted by Toad
LOL!
If there was a "plouc inculte", he made the post to which I responded. And yours too, I guess.
I suppose it's possible that both of you have worked hard to be a "plouc cultivé" though. Considering your fine, strapping growth and all in that field.
:p
I dont think i have been offensive, anyway.
If you feel the urge to throw personal attacks just by reading my virtual-voice, why dont you put me in your ignore list?
Why not?
Think about it.
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1. Evidemment
2. Est-ce que je vous ai dit étais d'accord avec Naso ? Non. J'ai dit il est évident que les deux remarques semblent être d'un plouc inculte. Pas la même chose. ;)
Vous mal comprenez totalement. Je ne raille pas l'anglais ou le Français.
Si vous rappel, cette chose entière commenciez par l'invasion d'Iraq's du Kowéit.
Beaucoup de la manière que l'invasion allemande de la Pologne a commencé une autre guerre.
Quand le monde a-t-il profité en ignorant l'agression des dictateurs ? Si jamais ?
Pardonnez-moi ; I'm fatigué des apologistes.
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Naso, talk to Straffo. I think he can explain to you that I did not insult you.
;)
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I've got a prayer, but it's not for Berg. He's beyond prayers. Mine is for someone else....
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Originally posted by Toad
1. Evidemment
2. Est-ce que je vous ai dit étais d'accord avec Naso ? Non. J'ai dit il est évident que les deux remarques semblent être d'un plouc inculte. Pas la même chose. ;)
Vous mal comprenez totalement. Je ne raille pas l'anglais ou le Français.
Si vous rappel, cette chose entière commenciez par l'invasion d'Iraq's du Kowéit.
Beaucoup de la manière que l'invasion allemande de la Pologne a commencé une autre guerre.
Quand le monde a-t-il profité en ignorant l'agression des dictateurs ? Si jamais ?
Pardonnez-moi ; I'm fatigué des apologistes.
ok roger that, I'll stop posting in this thread after this post .
It's not the proper place to discuss national sensitivity or other concern.
I plead guilty to the fact I certainly misunderstood toad's post
I overreacted for one sentence my only excuse is to be tired and so having translation troubles.
I think You will have an hard time placing me on the side of the terrorist or the scumbag that made an so abject act.
You have perhaps noticed I'm pretty quiet myself in this part of the BBS ,because like you I'm tired to see the 2 side fighting on semantics when boy are dieing.
Luckilly none of the people my familly know have been hurt actually in Iraq even if some are in Iraq
Sorry again to the people reading this thread for the noise I've added.
I apologise for this misbehaviour.
There is a place and a time for each thing and it was neither one of this.
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Originally posted by Toad
Naso, talk to Straffo. I think he can explain to you that I did not insult you.
;)
Apologist of the terrorists.
This is not an insult ?
It's your right to think what you want of the others, but when you express theese opinions, you have to assume your responsability, even when hiding behind the monitor.
With me or against me.
What a childish way to see the world, egocentric like only a child can be: "I am the center of the universe".
I am voicing my opinions, and I assume my responsability.
The fact that I disagree with the policy of your government does not imply that I hate the US population, or that I am a cheerleader of the terrorists.
Bush hater?
Neither, I "disprezzo" (dont know how to spell it in english) him, a man that used the dead of thousand of his own citizens to further his criche agenda about world dominance that will have the effect for ALL OF US of a worse world (And I am not talking about Afghanistan, mind you).
I would love that a man like Nick Berg will become US president, with many others like him, willing to really help, and not to bring their opinion of a democratic government on the point of a bayonet.
The cost cut be high, true, but not higher for the humankind of the road that Bush and his media cronies are pushing you... no, us all.
For me, the image of the real, good american, is Nick Berg, naively assuming the maximum risk to bring unconditioned help to the people that need it, or the misguided soldiers that are doing their duty on the first line, but with the same sincere wish to help.
For me it's not american, or even human, who tortured or killed the first man he had in his power to feel the warm taste of having control on another being's life, or the foaming chair-fighters that here call for the Armageddon "because is so funny to see it in the movies", or the people in command, in the button room, that have as only God their own greed.
Or the people that refuse to give the same tribute, indipendently of the nation of wich they were part, to the people, soldiers and civilians, that gave their life, in the same struggle, for us, for our future.
Yes, I dont have a good memory, but that one is carved in stone in my little brain.
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Didn't call you an apologist. Reread it.
I said I was tired of them.
Are you putting yourself in that category?
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Originally posted by Toad
Didn't call you an apologist. Reread it.
Well, if you have not, i misunderstud.
I apologize.