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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: g00b on May 12, 2004, 01:11:45 PM
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Last night I witnessed some score whoring gaminess I have not seen the likes of in quite some time. A certain somone landed 19 kills in his ME-110-C as I logged on. Congrats said I and many others. Coincidentally I upped from the same field as he and we proceeded to vulch the crap outta 46 I think it was. After a bit it became apparent that only 1 guy was upping from that base any more, we had about 20 folks vulching at that point. He just kept upping and upping and upping. He probably upped, no exageration, 100 times or more. Upon our return to base the ME-110C guy lands another 12 kills, ALL OF THE SAME GUY. I'll presume the previous 19 kills were obtained the same way.
Here's the kicker, the vulchee was a SQUADMATE to the un-named scorepotato!
This was noticed by many other folks as well. I have informed the squad leader. We'll see...
I have a final question... Is this considered cheating or just score whoring of the first order?
g00b
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whoa, Deja Vu
-Sik
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Why get a wedgie over someone who uses skill or high scores in a game to compensate for their failures in real life?
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Hee Hee!
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Originally posted by g00b
Here's the kicker, the vulchee was a SQUADMATE to the un-named scorepotato!
you're no fun.
post names, man!!
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Originally posted by Shane
you're no fun.
post names, man!!
lol :D
who cares about someone else's score? but post the names for our amusement.
Bozon
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who cares about someone else's score? but post the names for our amusement
Exactly.
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Some JB, don't know the number.
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Coulda been worse. The 367th could've run a P-51D fuel pork mission to A30 and ruined any possibility of combat along the central corridor of Trinity.
Oh, wait.....
edit: By the way, don't brag about how many kills you get in a P-51B if you only attack from a position of advantage. Also, its not worth bragging about your K/D ratio if you hit and run away in a B-stang while your wingman scoots in and out in a 190. If you're going to fly a man's plane, then fly it like a man and save the hit-n-run crap for the D-stang like the other tweeners.
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Originally posted by g00b
I have a final question... Is this considered cheating or just score whoring of the first order?
g00b
It's considered a pathetic attempt to maniuplate the score ranks and his stats should be reset to punish.
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edit: By the way, don't brag about how many kills you get in a P-51B if you only attack from a position of advantage. Also, its not worth bragging about your K/D ratio if you hit and run away in a B-stang while your wingman scoots in and out in a 190. If you're going to fly a man's plane, then fly it like a man and save the hit-n-run crap for the D-stang like the other tweeners.
Who the heck is gofaster? I see him criticizing D pony pilots yet for the last two tours most of his air kills are in an La7. :lol
B pony is more agile at all alts, faster at some alts than D pony.
2 less guns really doesn't make much difference.
A couple of earlier tours many kills in a yak 9U... the dweebiest plane in the game... spit9 on steroids. Who the heck is gofaster, other than a grossly misinformed soul?
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They remember me two guys that, being unable to find girls, ended w***ing each other:D
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Originally posted by stegor
They remember me two guys that, being unable to find girls, ended w***ing each other:D
I am in a frenzy trying to figure out those 3 missing letters.
...as to the topic of this post. Who gives a ****. I mean really, what are you gonna do with a good AH ranking? Tell your family and non-flightsim friends how much bellybutton you kick on the intardnet?
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Originally posted by Furious
I am in a frenzy trying to figure out those 3 missing letters.
I think he put the stars in himself..... :)
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Well there really isn't anything you can do about it I don't think. Next time I would just try and cut in front of his vulches and kill shoot is dumb a**. =)
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Originally posted by gofaster
If you're going to fly a man's plane, then fly it like a man and save the hit-n-run crap for the D-stang like the other tweeners.
Like me! :p
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"I am in a frenzy trying to figure out those 3 missing letters."
Me too !!! ... You kill me sometimes ... :rofl
The only good thing that comes of rank is control of CV groups ... and then again ... who really gives a crap about that too.
The only reason that I ever look at the stat/score page is to keep track of my own personal goals.
wanking ?!?!?
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round and round it goes...but who cares...wheres my lawnchair
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Score whoring of the first order!!!!
Should be a trophy :D
Whatever gets your name in lights I guess.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Some JB, don't know the number.
Whats that stand for?
"Just Bluffing" ? :lol
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Whoooooooo, before you start making accusations, please be aware that ther are at least 2 CPIDs that involve the JB beginning and are not part of my squad. JB07 is now part of JG2, yes he was Jabostaffel, but not anymore. JBo8 has never been part of my squad and has no affiliation with it. There may even be more CPIDs similar to those that I am not aware of. I can assure you that none of the members of the III/Jabostaffel do these kinds of things.
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Just looked at stats page.
jb77 has 122 kills on jbo8 this tour.
jb77 has 174 Kills TOTAL this tour.
Just a coincidence?
I think not.
g00b
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how many kills does jbo8 have total?
Boooo! sounds like a ghost account
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jbo8 has 25 kills and 279 deaths :rolleyes:
g00b
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To answer my own question, jbo8 has flown 370 assorted sorties in about 3 1/2 hours this tour and has been killed 346 times. He's upping and dying quicker now, in May he is upping and dying at a rate a little better than once a minute. In April he flew 375 sorties in about 6 1/2 hours. In March, he flew an amazing 594 sorties in 10 1/2 hours, both months upping and dieing at the rate of a little less than once a minute. So there is some improvement.
In May, jbo8 has 343 deaths by rooks, 3 deaths by knights. He started this fateful run in February, where he was killed 504 times by knits, mostly in b17's and Spit's.
This guy really sucks, anyone is fortunate to run into him on a regular basis. He is definitely shot down by some players with an amazing consistency. This tour he is switching back and forth between knits and bish quite a bit, doesn't seem to want to fly for rooks. He probably doesn't like the rooks as they have killed him 343 times this tour. The knits have only killed him 3 times and the bish haven't touched the poor guy.
Will someone please alert me when jbo8 is on. I would like to be a part of his stats.:D
This forensic stuff is fun, maybe a career in CSI is in the cards!
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Originally posted by g00b
jbo8 has 25 kills and 279 deaths :rolleyes:
g00b
JB42 said he's nothing to do with JBS, what's the rolleyes for?
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Man I miss that duck with the cigarette !!!
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french magnetism:cool:
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Yep, it was a JB and i'm pretty sure he had the JB squad affiliation too. As I remember seeing it. :)
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Originally posted by moot
JB42 said he's nothing to do with JBS, what's the rolleyes for?
Oh, I think the rolleyes has nothing to do with JB's per se, it's just the humor of the stats themselves.
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As far as i know most of the JBs are good enough pilots not to need to cheat. but this is surely very interesting.
JB42 you need to find out who is damning the fine name of the JBs, and pronto :aok
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Jb77= lamer lol
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JB42 said he's nothing to do with JBS, what's the rolleyes for?
Jbo8 is the one getting killed. The one getting the kills is JB77 and he is in JB42's squad.
I can assure you that none of the members of the III/Jabostaffel do these kinds of things.
JB77 is vulching a second account: jb08
JB77 is in your squad.
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Some stats: kills of each other
tour 52 JB77 fighter rank: 8
Jb77: 122 jbo8 :2
tour 51 JB77 fighter rank: 61
JB77: 238 jbo8:2
tour 50 JB77 fighter rank: 62
JB77 221 jb08: 1
tour 49 JB77 fighter rank: 3072
JB77: 0 jb08: 0
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ooohhhhh this is better then Jerry Springer :rofl
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Originally posted by Steve
Some stats: kills of each other
tour 52 JB77 fighter rank: 8
Jb77: 122 jbo8 :2
tour 51 JB77 fighter rank: 61
JB77: 238 jbo8:2
tour 50 JB77 fighter rank: 62
JB77 221 jb08: 1
tour 49 JB77 fighter rank: 3072
JB77: 0 jb08: 0
good work detective. bonus this month for you
the funniest part is surely that JB77 is so stupid that he named his ghost account 'jbo8'
lmfao
like no one would make the connection
:rofl
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This is all so amusing, we love it:rofl
Yes the JB's and others are very good!
But we just shoot down more of um:D {and NO we dont care about ranks or K/D ratios}
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JB42
Web Page:
home.wi.rr.com/jabostaffelhq
Members:
27
Arena:
Main
Roster:
JB09
Cav
JB49
Straiga7
JB42
JB68
JB28
JB15
JB17
JB43
JustJim1
JB66
JB35
JB64
JB77
JB22
Rooster
JB23
JB67
JB37
JB27
JB73
JB03
JB20
LUFT52
Slacker
JB11
Current Tour:
Tour 52
Total squad kills:
1687
Total squad deaths:
891
Kills/(Deaths + 1):
1.8912
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LTARmoil
Web Page:
http://www.ltar.org
Members:
22
Arena:
Main
Roster:
LTARcptt
LTARstgr
LTARmia
LTARhtch
LTARhntr
LTARvin
LTARcase
LTARssa
LTARmech
LTARmoil
LTARdbla
LTARsqrl
LTARokit
LTARstag
LTARcsp
LTARowl
LTARgunz
LTARtank
LTARdude
LTARusmc
LTARpkfn
LTARprts
Current Tour:
Tour 52
Total squad kills:
3464
Total squad deaths:
2762
Kills/(Deaths + 1):
1.2537
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Bang! Bang!
the Kangaroo Court is now in Session!
All Rise!
hehe
But JB77 only accounts for loosely around half the kills on jbo8, there MUST be co-conspirators. Or are they opportunistic vulchees?
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i would vote for the latter
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hmm
big deal either way.
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I would tend to think the latter. I also doubt very much that 42 knew this was going on.
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Originally posted by Steve
a yak 9U... the dweebiest plane in the game... spit9 on steroids.
crud...I gotta quit flyin the yak?
is it still a dweeb plane if I die a lot in it?
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oh...and I agree that 42 surely wasn't aware of such goings on.
Someones gonna get a butt chewin i bet.
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Originally posted by moot
hmm
big deal either way.
Amen..
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crud...I gotta quit flyin the yak?
No Blkknit. We are all dweebs, the plane matters not. :)
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What, JB42 didn't know what was going on in his own squad? he should be Impeached, off with his head I say and his little dog toto too but first a formal appology before the executions begin and no prompting from the studio audience either:rofl :rofl :rofl
Gees I crack my self up
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I think it is amusing actually. As if fighter rank actually has anything to do with how good you are in fighters.
I wasn't trying to start a witch hunt 42, I remember seeing one of your squad mates land like a 12 and 18 kill sortie in a 110C4 last night. Don't see that plane much, kind of stuck in my head.
Figured it had to be the same guy this guy was talking about.
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Whoa, Jb77,,,,,your BUSTED,lol
Most Jb's are a class bunch,
and im sure are not too pleased about this.
You cant judge a squad by one players actions
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Heya Gofaster, yep we porked the hell out of 30, and not just the fuel, and next sunday evening we will pork the Rook front again,
though we usually just focus on Barraks and have no intention of ruining a good fight,
You guys had about 60 players rollin out of a30, and had the two Bish bases to the East well capped, we came all the way from 1 to knock it down...
attempting to provide the guys trying to save our fields to the east some relief, it worked
there was also a busy Bish/Nit front just to the SE,
So IMO, it was wise Strategy.
BTW, feel free to give me or DH a hollar on private
if ya want to tangle with us dweebs sometime.
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Originally posted by Steve
Some stats: kills of each other
tour 52 JB77 fighter rank: 8
Jb77: 122 jbo8 :2
tour 51 JB77 fighter rank: 61
JB77: 238 jbo8:2
tour 50 JB77 fighter rank: 62
JB77 221 jb08: 1
tour 49 JB77 fighter rank: 3072
JB77: 0 jb08: 0
The good thing is, JB77 is improving, he only needs 120 or so free kills instead of the previous 200+ to stay in the top 100, so somehow or other he must be getting some kills on his own for a change.
Or is it that the tour is only half over?
Booz
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Originally posted by Steve
Who the heck is gofaster? I see him criticizing D pony pilots yet for the last two tours most of his air kills are in an La7. :lol
B pony is more agile at all alts, faster at some alts than D pony.
2 less guns really doesn't make much difference.
A couple of earlier tours many kills in a yak 9U... the dweebiest plane in the game... spit9 on steroids. Who the heck is gofaster, other than a grossly misinformed soul?
LOL! I did the LA-7 because the Rooks were on the ropes and running out of bases to the rear. Bish had porked the other bases and were doing the base capture-thingy, so out came the LA-7 for some in-sector clearance work. :p
I wanted to do some F4F-4 and FM2 fighting but the Trinity map doesn't do well for the small flying barrell, particularly when the 367th is porking the front-line bases down to 25%. I did manage to pop a F4U-1D Corsair, a 109-G2, and nearly added a silver P-47 to the tally until he got smart and ran back to his flak field.
Then 6Gun in a B-stang and his wingman in a 190 Dora interrupted my return home. It took 6Gun about 4 or 5 passes before he was able to knock me down, with the 190 clearing his six whenever I lined up behind him. And then 6Gun started making noise about his B-stang prowess. :rolleyes:
If Trinity is still up, or AKDesert, or one of the others with far-spaced bases, I might have to break out the B-stang again. I love to turnfight in that bad boy. That plane is addicting. If only it had the Malcolm hood...
The D-stang is for tweeners who can't fly and need the extra hoses to spray their target. ;)
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What is the "ghost account" that people have mentioned in this thread?
Is it possible to have more than one account at a time - but only one player logged on at a time? Kinda of like AOL screenames where you can assign them to family members, but only one person at a time can be on.
My son is interested, but can't afford his own account right now...
OOPS - it was supposed to go in the "gaming the game" thread - sorry!
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Nope as far as I know if people have multiple ids they have multiple accounts.
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Yup ... $14.95 / CPID
A lot of father/sons play, but they usually have 2 computers.
If ya dont give a crap about your score/ranking, then let him try yours once and awhile.
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The D-stang is for tweeners who can't fly and need the extra hoses to spray their target
any time you want to see how I can't fly, look me up. Swatting around your B stang might amuse me for a minute or two.
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Player vs player, Tour 52:
1. jb42 has 11 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 0 kills on jb42
2. jb11 has 0 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 0 kills on jb11
3. jb22 has 3 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 0 kills on jb22
4. jb77 has 127 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 2 kills on jb77
5. jb35 has 6 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 0 kills on jb35
6. jb20 has 0 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 0 kills on jb20
7. jb15 has 4 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 1 kills on jb15
8. jb66 has 2 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 0 kills on jb66
9. Straiga7 has 0 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 0 kills on Straiga7
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To be honest:
vad has 1 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 0 kills on vad
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I'm not sure that any of these are significant other than:
jb77 has 127 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 2 kills on jb77
Some of the other JB's are bound to be around when jbo8 shows up. These guys fly together all of the time.
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Let's burn the bastards at the stake!
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Let's burn the bastards at the stake!
ack-ack
Isn't this thread the BBS equivalent?
-Sik
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Originally posted by sickbird
I'm not sure that any of these are significant other than:
jb77 has 127 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 2 kills on jb77
Some of the other JB's are bound to be around when jbo8 shows up. These guys fly together all of the time.
During Tour 51 Jb77 had 260+ kills on JBo8 with only 2 deaths to JBo8...presumbably those deaths were auger proxy kill deaths while vulching. Jb77's kills on jbo8 account for 99% of his total fighter kills this tour and 97% of his total fighter kills last tour....Cheating?!?!? lol YA THINK!?!? Jeeeez
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Originally posted by debuman
What is the "ghost account" that people have mentioned in this thread?
Is it possible to have more than one account at a time - but only one player logged on at a time? Kinda of like AOL screenames where you can assign them to family members, but only one person at a time can be on.
My son is interested, but can't afford his own account right now...
OOPS - it was supposed to go in the "gaming the game" thread - sorry!
If your running a home network You can have more then one AOL SN online at the same time.
I do it all the time.
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Originally posted by gofaster:
then 6Gun started making noise about his B-stang prowess.
Ah, 6guns! He was a mouthy arse in AW. I remember once he and I got into a wave hopping go around in F6Fs and I eventually shot him down. He immediately gets on the "all" channel and accuses me of cheating. He hasn't changed a bit.
By the way, his real handle is "6gums".
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Isn't this thread the BBS equivalent?
-Sik
No, this thread is the equivalent of a wedgie.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Vad
Player vs player, Tour 52:
1. jb42 has 11 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 0 kills on jb42
2. jb11 has 0 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 0 kills on jb11
3. jb22 has 3 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 0 kills on jb22
4. jb77 has 127 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 2 kills on jb77
5. jb35 has 6 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 0 kills on jb35
6. jb20 has 0 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 0 kills on jb20
7. jb15 has 4 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 1 kills on jb15
8. jb66 has 2 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 0 kills on jb66
9. Straiga7 has 0 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 0 kills on Straiga7
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To be honest:
vad has 1 kills on jbo8 - jbo8 has 0 kills on vad
how many kills do i have on him?:D
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hehe
I just had the fiendish idea of following jb77 to this jbo8 slaughter and stealing all his jbo8 kills lol.
still if he wants to pay htc double just to vulch himself more power to him lol.
theres gotta be somthing freudian in that hehe
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kind of like shortcircuiting yourself to light a bulb
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Talking a buddie into a extra acct .. $15.00
Buddie gets account ....$30.00
Talking your whole squad into vulching
the extra account ... $200.00
Alcohol consumed while score vulching $400.00
Getting caught by the whole arena .... Priceless
:D
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LoL I think i'd change my name after the 3rd post in this thread.. lmao
I know this is some funny chit.. But I still have this really deep sad feeling for the guy.. hehe Or guys.. I wonder what the JBo8 dude was giving in return??
I've decided to offer AH leasons for anyone that would allow me to vulch them.. Price is cheap cheap!! Like a lil'bird.. 1min of advanced training per vulch allowed.. 8) What a deal!!
dude
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Originally posted by Steve
any time you want to see how I can't fly, look me up. Swatting around your B stang might amuse me for a minute or two.
Which would prove that real men fly B-stangs. :p
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n/t
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And what do you burn witches with???
MORE WITCHES!!!!
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Originally posted by Steve
Some stats: kills of each other
tour 52 JB77 fighter rank: 8
Jb77: 122 jbo8 :2
tour 51 JB77 fighter rank: 61
JB77: 238 jbo8:2
tour 50 JB77 fighter rank: 62
JB77 221 jb08: 1
tour 49 JB77 fighter rank: 3072
JB77: 0 jb08: 0
SO it is posible to auger while trying to kill your other account that isn't flying?
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Originally posted by WHATTHEHELL
And what do you burn witches with???
MORE WITCHES!!!!
You are participating way too much on this BBS and not flying.
You either need to reverse this trend or at least even it out ... ;)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
You are participating way too much on this BBS and not flying.
You either need to reverse this trend or at least even it out ... ;)
Your spending too much time doing both!!
Now get back to WORK!
:rofl
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SO it is posible to auger while trying to kill your other account that isn't flying?
Ya, talk about funny.... augering while vulching your shade account. Bwahahah!
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The actions of JB77 bother me not because it is a sad and utterly pathetic way to garner ill-deserved recognition and reward, but because it totally undermines the efforts of the other 3,000+? paying customers. While only a percentage play with Fighter rank in mind, fighter rank is one of the more meaningfull and sought after sub-ranks. Many, like myself, use fighter rank and it's various constituent components as one tool to measure improvement and overall effectiveness of oneself in the MA from camp to camp. Having an individual like Jb77 abuse the system in this way is an insult to those who pursue simulated WW2 fighter piloting as a favorite pastime and hobby.
If morally bankrupt individuals such as JB77 are permitted to bastardize the statistical framework of the game I fear Aces High will undergo a gradual degradation into something more akin to a first person shooter arcade game. The devoted players, the WW2 historian types, and the military and private pilots that play to get absorbed in the finer points of air to air combat could soon become disillusioned and seek their entertainment elsewhere.
Of course, there are those that will say, "It's his 15 bucks, who cares if he gained a top ten fighter rank through cheating." But what would those people say if instead of just this one 'found out' individual, others start copy-catting him, what if 100s of people did this camp-in camp-out? The integrity of the game would be entirely compromised, the effect would be as profound as if someone had hacked the Aces High server. There would be no faith in the system and instead being a game that focussed on the finer points of air to air combat, Aces High would devolve into a, "Who is willing to devote more money,time and energy into cheating" contest.
It is my personal opinion that cases like these, where there is irrefutable evidence that cheating has been occurring for extended periods of time that the culprit should be removed from the game permanently. If not, there is no disincentive to prevent others, perhaps many others from doing the same thing as Jb77 effectively ruining the game for the rest of us. In the final analysis of this sad tale, we all pay 15 bucks a month, just like Jb77. As paying customers yes, we all have the right to pursue pleasure in the game in a miriad of ways, but cheating is not one of those rights. The rest of us have a right to some assurance that the service we pay for is maintained and the integrity of the game preserved, if not, Jb77's $15 a month is allowed to undermine the $15 X 3000 players ($45,000) that HiTech Creations receives from the rest of us, JB77 has NO right to do that, and in my opinion Hitech Creations would be incredibly irresponsible to permit him to continue to do so.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
T...If morally bankrupt individuals such as JB77 are permitted to bastardize the statistical framework of the game...
goofy in a video game means one is "morally bankrupt"???
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Buffalo wings and a beer guys ?
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Originally posted by Furious
goofy in a video game means one is "morally bankrupt"???
I consider protracted deliberate cheating the actions of someone who is lacking in morals. Any moral person would not even consider cheating. I do not consider cheating 'goofy' behavior. Do you consider a baseball player using a corked bat to pad his stats just a 'goofy' guy?
Zazen
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Of course. Baseball doesn't matter. It's just another goofy game.
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Originally posted by Furious
Of course. Baseball doesn't matter. It's just another goofy game.
I think the millions of baseball fans buying tickets to see what they believed was a fair game would disagree with you. Just like most of us paying 15 bucks a month for a fair game of Aces High would....
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you said "morally bankrupt".
jeffrey dahmer was morally bankrupt. being an bellybutton in a video game does not compare.
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I personally think Hitech would be thrilled to death if everybody bought a second account and spent the whole month vulching it. He'd be making twice as much money as he is now.
By the way Zazen... you take rank a little to seriously I think. Fighter rank (overall) isn't a very good indication of how "good" someone is.
Take NathDBP, his stats suck. They are absolutely horrible. But in a 1v1, he'll kick your ass. He is good. He just doesn't care if he dies or not, so he usually has very low stats.
On the other hand, my stats are quite good, and I'm a pretty good stick in a 1v1. Nath is a little better, in my opinion. In his opinion he is God's gift to AH, but that is niether here nor there. But the point is you'd never know it by looking at the "ranks".
People know who the good fighter pilots are, rank or no rank.
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
Buffalo wings and a beer guys ?
if they be hooters ill take an order of 20 and a pitcher of beer please
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Originally posted by Urchin
I personally think Hitech would be thrilled to death if everybody bought a second account and spent the whole month vulching it. He'd be making twice as much money as he is now.
By the way Zazen... you take rank a little to seriously I think. Fighter rank (overall) isn't a very good indication of how "good" someone is.
Take NathDBP, his stats suck. They are absolutely horrible. But in a 1v1, he'll kick your ass. He is good. He just doesn't care if he dies or not, so he usually has very low stats.
On the other hand, my stats are quite good, and I'm a pretty good stick in a 1v1. Nath is a little better, in my opinion. In his opinion he is God's gift to AH, but that is niether here nor there. But the point is you'd never know it by looking at the "ranks".
People know who the good fighter pilots are, rank or no rank.
Rank is part of the game.
To my knowledge we have never fought 1 vs. 1 or otherwise so you really have no idea of my relative skill level, suffice it to say some people who do like to maintain a nice fighter rank also happen to be very highly skilled. Whether rank means anything to you or Nath or not is inconsequential. Someone who cheats in the game in order to achieve anything illegally is hurting everyone directly or indirectly. To deny this is incredibly niave and short-sighted.
The point is not the meaning of rank per se, it is that people who cheat compromise the integrity of the game...period. While I have no doubt HiTech is concerned with making money I also have no doubt he is not willing to forsake the integrity and quite possibly the long-term viability of his brain child for the sake of a few extra bucks....
Zazen
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You use the words cheat and illegal.
Where is the rule stating vultching a second account is cheating? What statute is being broken?
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Originally posted by Furious
You use the words cheat and illegal.
Where is the rule stating vultching a second account is cheating? What statute is being broken?
HTC has always had a general policy against collusion. Collusion between players from different countries (in-game), whether it be the same person with two identities or two seperate individuals is considered 'cheating' by HiTech creations. Obviously, under most circumstances this is incredibly hard to prove, except if the perpetrator is incredibly stupid as is the case with JB77.
Players have been temporarily and permanently banned for collusion in the past. A good example of this anti-collusion stance by HiTech Creations is found under the shootout rules under "Contest Rules" on the Home Page. Imagine if JB77 had won the money for the Shootout Contest based on his vulching his other account? That is just a great example of why collusion cannot be tolerated....
Zazen
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Could you point me towards that policy? I don't recall ever seeing it or hearing about it before.
The contest was a "special case"... in general there is no policy that I am aware of for that sort of thing.
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Originally posted by Furious
You use the words cheat and illegal.
Where is the rule stating vultching a second account is cheating? What statute is being broken?
Furious...
I believe it will fall under this one...
"11. Subscribers are expressly prohibited from engaging in any activity that constitutes, in the sole opinion of HiTech Creations, system abuse. System abuse shall include, but is not limited to, ..."
Nice open ended statement, covering a multitude of sins :).
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Lotsa legitimate points here!
I understand where you are coming from Zazen, putting some value in the top 100 and trying to legitimately get in there or get as high up as you can. I think it is a measure of skill, upping, getting kills and landing them is sort of the whole loop of things.
However, "anything goes" is sort of the accepted deal now and there is a certain amount of validity to that as well. If that will that devalue the game, only time will tell. For the average player, I think probably not.
Zazen, I think you can find some comfort in that the vast majority of the player base doesn't alter their score artificially by vulching ghosts. Now I know that sucks if you are ranked #101, but still the overall rankings aren't going to be skewed by very much at all, I don't believe, because not many people do this activity.
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Originally posted by Urchin
People know who the good fighter pilots are, rank or no rank.
Amen.While cheesy at the least,and a good reason for banning from the game,People knowing about it kinda moots the point.
Throw another score potato on the fire will ya?Its getting cold.:lol
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Originally posted by Urchin
Could you point me towards that policy? I don't recall ever seeing it or hearing about it before.
The contest was a "special case"... in general there is no policy that I am aware of for that sort of thing.
The "No Collusion" policy is part of the General Rules and Conduct as is the "No Harrassment" policy. It was clearly enunciated under the Shootout Contest rules for legal reasons but is not exclusive to the period during that particular contest. From what I gather instances of collusion are dealt with on a case by case basis and are reviewed by someone from HTC staff by checking logs etc. I remember reading it somewhere other than the contest rules but cannot remember where. It may have been a response from Hitech Creations when we reported someone obviously cheating (a Bish with a Rook account was vectoring himself to Rook Cv's and sinking them then bragging about it on channel 1).
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Furious...
I believe it will fall under this one...
"11. Subscribers are expressly prohibited from engaging in any activity that constitutes, in the sole opinion of HiTech Creations, system abuse. System abuse shall include, but is not limited to, ..."
Nice open ended statement, covering a multitude of sins :).
I've not heard HT say vultching your second account is "system abuse". But then again, he probably wouldn't tell me if he did.
...anyway, who cares? I know I don't anymore.
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Originally posted by kj714
Lotsa legitimate points here!
I understand where you are coming from Zazen, putting some value in the top 100 and trying to legitimately get in there or get as high up as you can. I think it is a measure of skill, upping, getting kills and landing them is sort of the whole loop of things.
However, "anything goes" is sort of the accepted deal now and there is a certain amount of validity to that as well. If that will that devalue the game, only time will tell. For the average player, I think probably not.
Zazen, I think you can find some comfort in that the vast majority of the player base doesn't alter their score artificially by vulching ghosts. Now I know that sucks if you are ranked #101, but still the overall rankings aren't going to be skewed by very much at all, I don't believe, because not many people do this activity.
What if 300 people start doing what JB77 does every single camp? And why wouldn't they if he is allowed to get away with it? The danger is the setting of a precident of acceptance that will be far harder to undo later than if we nip it in the bud now with only one or a few perpetrators.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Furious...
I believe it will fall under this one...
"11. Subscribers are expressly prohibited from engaging in any activity that constitutes, in the sole opinion of HiTech Creations, system abuse. System abuse shall include, but is not limited to, ..."
Nice open ended statement, covering a multitude of sins :).
Yup, that's the one. Collusion, Harassment, Vulgarity (masked or otherwise), among other things, fall under the auspices of this rather ambiguous catch all policy against "System Abuse".
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Originally posted by Furious
You use the words cheat and illegal.
Where is the rule stating vultching a second account is cheating? What statute is being broken?
Curious how vehemently some are defending JB77's "Right" to do this. If one didn't know better one might think it sounds like SELF-defense...Hmmmmmmm....Food for thought ;)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Curious how vehemently some are defending JB77's "Right" to do this. If one didn't know better one might think it sounds like SELF-defense...Hmmmmmmm....Food for thought ;)
Furious did say ... "I know I don't anymore." ... :rofl
Your killin' me as usual Furious !!!
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Originally posted by Furious
you said "morally bankrupt".
jeffrey dahmer was morally bankrupt. being an bellybutton in a video game does not compare.
Actually, Dahmer was techically sociopathic, that would by definition make him amoral.
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hehe, yes. I am defending his right to be a tard.
In fact I shoot my squadmates down alot. Well, try to anyway. Some stupid bug keeps making me blow up whenever I get some nice solid hits in.
...oh, and lets not forget this:
Originally posted by Zazen13
It comes from the old AW days when you could have multiple screen names etc. I am an "Art of War" kind of person. I believe in knowing my enemy. What better way to know him than get in his skin and fly around for a while, fly with him, film him, even loose deuce with him without him even realizing who you are? Heck, one of my Bishop and two of my Knight accounts are even in squadrons, premier squadrons, and they have no clue ;) You glean some very very intriguing information about the other countries, squadrons and their pilots respective flying styles.
I also use different accounts for different things, for example, if I want to work on a plane I am unfamiliar with I will use one of my shades accounts until I become proficient. Similarily, I use shades accounts to warm-up for the day so when I get on Zazen, my aim, SA, sense of deflection etc. are already keyed up for action. Bear in mind I only have one computer, I do not use these accounts for any clandestine purpose, mainly just for practice.
Zazen
P.S. it's not shade..it's shades, as in dark sunglasses, so no one knows who you are ;)
I would think you would want to be the one defending him.
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Originally posted by Furious
hehe, yes. I am defending his right to be a tard.
In fact I shoot my squadmates down alot. Well, try to anyway. Some stupid bug keeps making me blow up whenever I get some nice solid hits in.
...oh, and lets not forget this:
I would think you would want to be the one defending him.
The distinction is, while I have more than 1 account, I cannot and donot use more than 1 simultaneously (I have only 1 computer). Furthermore, the problem isn't that he purchased multiple accounts as I have for family members or for filming premier pilots in action for my film library. The problem is, he uses one to vulch the other over and over and over and over and over, for the sole purpose of quickly accumulating an inordinately high number of perk points and an artificailly inflated rank...
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Just to play devils advocate here,wouldnt useing a second account to buff up before using the primary account "Also" be concidered doing something to better your score position?
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Yup ... $14.95 / CPID
If ya dont give a crap about your score/ranking, then let him try yours once and awhile.
That's the problem - he has and he loves it! Now I have to compete with him to get on the computer - it's kinda like that commercial where the couple are stripping as they drive home and race to see who gets the shower....
He's trying to get me to pay for a 2nd account with sly little hints like " Dad, I could be your wingman...", etc. Unfortunately, my income at this point barely affords one account/mo.
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Originally posted by DrDea
Just to play devils advocate here,wouldnt useing a second account to buff up before using the primary account "Also" be concidered doing something to better your score position?
How is warming up with one account to play better on another any different than first flying a mission in the CT before heading to the MA? I am gaining no unfair advantage, I am not artifically manipulating my score, all I am doing is practicing with an account I do not intend to play for rank with in order to not have that first mission of the day crappy-hop with the one I do care about.... hehe
Zazen
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speaking of advocate: "volenti non fit injuria", basic jurisprudence.
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This is still an interesting conversation. You guys missed what I feel is the best part of all of it.. allow me to recap the conversation which took place on Ch2.
System: Jb77 Landed 13 kill in a BF110-C of.....
after several WTG's.....
Steve: Wow JB77, where are you flying? I see you've got your second account going for vulch-o-rama.
JB77: Yeah, right.
Steve: Cmon Jb77, you're second account is Jbo8, we all know it. 90% of your kills come from vulchin Jbo8, everyone knows.
JB77: How is it you know that?
(Steve gets busy and doesn't answer for a couple of minutes, by then JB77 has logged)
:rofl
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Jb's are not only squad doing this. SICKPUPPIES, 418 hornets among others.
Names sure: DOOM 418 hornets his 2nd account is Rapidx this tod. 41 kills of b17s of rapidx as a rook lots of us saw him do it. He would not even go for il2's low just b17s of rapidx
then run away.
Thebest sickpuppies 25 kills landed in p40 all were against his own squadmate nirvana last tod. This one I have film of nirvana begging me not to kill p40 exact words he's all mine. He few bomber formation to p40 let him kill then logged.
I'm sure there are many more, You fly to base with 1 guy capping next thing guy stops spawning bombers on runway. /then person lands 15 kills in spit 1. but can't prove because no flim to catch other mans id.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
What if 300 people start doing what JB77 does every single camp? And why wouldn't they if he is allowed to get away with it? The danger is the setting of a precident of acceptance that will be far harder to undo later than if we nip it in the bud now with only one or a few perpetrators.
True
I can't imagine many people paying $15 amonth to do it though. How boring would that be?
1/2 the thrill is probably thinking you are getting away with it.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Curious how vehemently some are defending JB77's "Right" to do this. If one didn't know better one might think it sounds like SELF-defense...Hmmmmmmm....Food for thought ;)
Well, I have a second account that my girlfriend flies under. However I'm so bad at vulching, the score would probly be:
Duchess: 99 kills
KJ714: 1 kill
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
Buffalo wings and a beer guys ?
Sounds good, I'll bring the chips and salsa.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by DrDea
Throw another score potato on the fire will ya?Its getting cold.:lol
We'll probably have to knock out Zazen first. Don't see him going into the fire with out some sort of 'assistance'.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
We'll probably have to knock out Zazen first. Don't see him going into the fire with out some sort of 'assistance'.
ack-ack
Lol AKAK, do you have some kind of obsessive compulsive disorder
that requires you to go out of your way to sling mud my way every chance you get? I have the number of a good therpaist you should REALLY give her a call because you my friend have some deep seated issues.
Have a nice life :aok
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Her? Can I have the number?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Furious
I've not heard HT say vultching your second account is "system abuse". But then again, he probably wouldn't tell me if he did.
...anyway, who cares? I know I don't anymore.
Furious...
That is precisely why the 'rules' are vague. ...as for caring...gave that up years ago :). I do think this points out one of the major flaws in the scoring system. Hence, my comments that I believe it is invalid accept as a personal measuring stick.
:)
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Furious...
That is precisely why the 'rules' are vague. ...as for caring...gave that up years ago :). I do think this points out one of the major flaws in the scoring system. Hence, my comments that I believe it is invalid accept as a personal measuring stick.
:)
Agreed. Score means nothing but it is fun to monitor your k/d or hit % sometimes... As to why someone would pay an extra $15 bucks a month to vulch themselves is beyond me. :rolleyes: <-- for NoPoop! :lol
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Which would prove that real men fly B-stangs.
Well Gofaster, I'll admit I'm no expert on the Bstang. Flew it just a little as a noob. I tried it out tonight to compare to my beloved D. Here are the results:
First flight pranged prop ditched 3 kills
Flights 2-4:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/335_1084605250_p51b2.jpg)
Although not an expert on the B pony, my first impression is that the B stang is a much better plane than the D model. The 2 additional guns of the D are of little difference when killing bad guys and the added weight is a real liability. The B stang outclasses the D model in all areas w/ one exception: cockpit views.
Early conclusion: B pony is a much better plane than D pony
Edit: In a fighter role
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Originally posted by DipStick
Agreed. Score means nothing but it is fun to monitor your k/d or hit % sometimes...
I didn't mean to imply that the scoring system means nothing. I merely pointed out that, IMO, any scoring system in a game of this type is going to be flawed when it comes to trying to use it as a means of comparing skill levels.
Originally posted by DipStick
As to why someone would pay an extra $15 bucks a month to vulch themselves is beyond me.
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Think in terms of low self esteem :).
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Isn't JB77 the guy that got kicked out of JB squad?
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He may have been Kweassa... if so it was because of the incidents in this thread.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Isn't JB77 the guy that got kicked out of JB squad?
Not according to the HTC squad roster (as of today).
Surprised they'd want a proven tard like that associated with their squad.
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Guys,
Lets not be to hard on the JB squad as a whole over this.
If JB77 is padding his score as it appears, I am sure that JB42 and company will do something about it.
It is possible there is another explaination for those stats, but I cant for the life of me think what it could be. Im not quite ready for stakes and fire yet. (besides thats HTCs call)
I am really piping in to remind everyone that a squad and its CO only has limited control over its members, give them a chance to get to the bottom of this and try not to drag thier name thru the mud while they sort it out.
How would you like to be a CO and have this sort of thing dropped on your plate? It certainly cant be an easy thing to handle.
So consider not blaming the entire squad for the actions of a single pilot.
Alright, Iv had my say, Now let me have a chair and a beer and we will see how this thing unfolds. :)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Lol AKAK, do you have some kind of obsessive compulsive disorder
that requires you to go out of your way to sling mud my way every chance you get?
You're the only real score potato that has posted on this thread, so you were the only one available to toss in the fire.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Steve
Although not an expert on the B pony, my first impression is that the B stang is a much better plane than the D model. The 2 additional guns of the D are of little difference when killing bad guys and the added weight is a real liability. The B stang outclasses the D model in all areas w/ one exception: cockpit views.
Early conclusion: B pony is a much better plane than D pony
Edit: In a fighter role
IIRC, quite a few P-51 pilots liked the B/C models far better than the D model.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by SlapShot
You are participating way too much on this BBS and not flying.
You either need to reverse this trend or at least even it out ... ;)
My return is slated for 2 weeks, well when AH2 comes out. Whichever is sooner. I am stuck in Americas Army and I want to reach my goal of 80 honor before I leave. <--------- at 79 right now :D
AHGOD
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You try the Stryker add-on?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You try the Stryker add-on?
ack-ack
No, I must be out of the loop what is it?
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OK, I guess It’s time for me to fess up.
I have a second account that I use just to pump up my score by vulching the heck out of it.
I also use it when I want to talk smack and insult everyone without anyone knowing it’s me.
My second account name is: Shane
eskimo
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Originally posted by WHATTHEHELL
No, I must be out of the loop what is it?
Saw it at the AA booth at E3, they were showing the new add-on with the Stryker vehicle and special forces. Grabbed my interests and grabbed a CD of it when they were passing it out.
ack-ack
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So consider not blaming the entire squad for the actions of a single pilot.
I missed the part where anyone blamed anyone but JB77.
It is possible there is another explaination for those stats,
No, there isn't.
As I've stated in other threads, I'm glad 42 and his bunch are rooks and I enjoy flying w/ them. They do some dirty work, i.e. upping against horrible odds at a capped base in an effort to save it, that few are willing to do. I've known 42 for quite a while now and do not consider 77's action a reflection on him or his squad.*
*Edit: Were 77 to remain in the squad and continue this activity I must admit my opinion would change(about the squad). Then again, who the heck cares about my opinion? :)
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IIRC, quite a few P-51 pilots liked the B/C models far better than the D model.
TY AKAK, now that you mention it I think I've heard that before.
Since my dad has always been a fan of the D, it was the one I chose to try to become proficient in. After spending time in the B however, I too feel that the B is better as a fighter.*
* repeat disclaimer: This is my impression after spending one evening flying the B, I do not by any means claim expertise in the matter.
I'd be interested to know what other people in the game think.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You're the only real score potato that has posted on this thread, so you were the only one available to toss in the fire.
ack-ack
I can't remember the last camp I played for score/rank, the only rank I care about is fighter rank. I have made sure I do not rank in the top 100 overall just for this reason. Hehe
Zazen
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Eskimo. :D :D :D
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Originally posted by Grimm
Guys,
Lets not be to hard on the JB squad as a whole over this.
If JB77 is padding his score as it appears, I am sure that JB42 and company will do something about it.
It is possible there is another explaination for those stats, but I cant for the life of me think what it could be. Im not quite ready for stakes and fire yet. (besides thats HTCs call)
I am really piping in to remind everyone that a squad and its CO only has limited control over its members, give them a chance to get to the bottom of this and try not to drag thier name thru the mud while they sort it out.
How would you like to be a CO and have this sort of thing dropped on your plate? It certainly cant be an easy thing to handle.
So consider not blaming the entire squad for the actions of a single pilot.
Alright, Iv had my say, Now let me have a chair and a beer and we will see how this thing unfolds. :)
I don't recall anyone even mentioning his squadron. The original poster included some of his squadmates for illustration purposes, using them in that breakdown actually proved they were not in collusion. I think we can surmise that JB77 is the sole perpetrator here....
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I'd be interested to know what other people in the game think
I dont know Steve. For me, when I get the D down to around 200 mph it stall fights much better for me. The line between stalling an losing it in the B seems very sharp and abrupt. The D I can almost always recover from a stall in at low alt on the deck. (I think what I am trying to say if the B mod seems to offer little warning when it is about to snap its back) Although the B is a fun fighter to fly and I enjoy flying it very much I just dont have much luck in it. Esp when I get into a turn fight that I am totally at home with in the D, I just feel lost with the B.
Like you I would probably have to devote a tour in it to really pass judgement here.
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I flew with the JBs a while back, and they're great people. Sporty to the point of holding their fire in an HO and always looking out for each other. I guess there will be one more ex-JB after this.
I miss flying with the JBs ... maybe when AH2 gets online.
JBs
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I don't recall anyone even mentioning his squadron. The original poster included some of his squadmates for illustration purposes, using them in that breakdown actually proved they were not in collusion. I think we can surmise that JB77 is the sole perpetrator here....
Zazen, Steve,
I hoped to keep things in prospective. As a CO I feel for JB42 in this. I was hoping things dont escalate to squad bashing. If I gave another impression, my apologies.
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Grimmy, no need to apologize.... it gave me a chance to reiterate my view....not that my view is worth more than what I think about it!
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All,
I am JB22, XO, of the III/Jabostaffle squad, as you can see by my BBS name, some of you may remember me as Gripper or IHGrippr of the Ironheads, a fine Knight squad. The other night,we tooka base, and JB08 kept upping, we all got a few vulches as we wer capping the field, It didnt seem unusual ( I recall as a Knight 2 squaddies got >50 kills on dlamb upping B17s).All I can say is that none of this was known to any members of the squad, and it is truly disappointing. The JB squad has a lot of fine pilots that work hard for their skills, especially since we fly the Luftwaffe planes. I switched to the Rooks from the Knights, to join the JB squad because I flew alot with JB42 in the Special Events arena. JB42 is one of the finest CO's in this game, and I can tell you he is perplexed by this also. Unfortunatley, people cheat, and sometimes, it may be a squaddie. Ironic that this parallels what is going on in Iraq, one bad apple tarnishing the integrity their brothers. I've seen plenty of people cheat, Knights, Rooks and Bishop. It makes no sense to me, but its their money. I regret that this happedned in such a fine squad, but we ( the JB squad) have to deal with it. I'm truly sorry. JB22
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Originally posted by Gripper
All,
I am JB22, XO, of the III/Jabostaffle squad, as you can see by my BBS name, some of you may remember me as Gripper or IHGrippr of the Ironheads, a fine Knight squad. The other night,we tooka base, and JB08 kept upping, we all got a few vulches as we wer capping the field, It didnt seem unusual ( I recall as a Knight 2 squaddies got >50 kills on dlamb upping B17s).All I can say is that none of this was known to any members of the squad, and it is truly disappointing. The JB squad has a lot of fine pilots that work hard for their skills, especially since we fly the Luftwaffe planes. I switched to the Rooks from the Knights, to join the JB squad because I flew alot with JB42 in the Special Events arena. JB42 is one of the finest CO's in this game, and I can tell you he is perplexed by this also. Unfortunatley, people cheat, and sometimes, it may be a squaddie. Ironic that this parallels what is going on in Iraq, one bad apple tarnishing the integrity their brothers. I've seen plenty of people cheat, Knights, Rooks and Bishop. It makes no sense to me, but its their money. I regret that this happedned in such a fine squad, but we ( the JB squad) have to deal with it. I'm truly sorry. JB22
As far as I'm concerned, the JB squad has nothing to apologize for. It's a great squad, and it's been a priviledge to fly along in some of their missions. I'm certain JB42 will take care of the problem in one way or another. He's too good a guy and it's too good a squad to tolerate such behavior bringing such unflattering attention to a squad like that. I'll not allow the actions of one less than honorable individual to color my view of the group as a whole or any one of the rest of the squad.
As far as the guilty individual is concerned, his actions say all that needs to be said about him.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Saw it at the AA booth at E3, they were showing the new add-on with the Stryker vehicle and special forces. Grabbed my interests and grabbed a CD of it when they were passing it out.
ack-ack
AH ok didn't know it was called Stryker, but it is the next patch coming out. Supposed ot be some kick bellybutton things in there. If you ever on there look me up my nic is NEKUF_GRUVEN, and I am on aatracker.
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Can we burn him now? Why bother with a witch-hunt if we can't burn him? I got the wood and stake set up, someone just needs to bring the refreshments.
ack-ack
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And what else is Made of wood
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^ what Virgil said
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Originally posted by eskimo2
OK, I guess It’s time for me to fess up.
I have a second account that I use just to pump up my score by vulching the heck out of it.
I also use it when I want to talk smack and insult everyone without anyone knowing it’s me.
My second account name is: Shane
eskimo
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." Exodus 20:16
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Ponies are hte same in maneuverability as far as im concerned :P
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
any scoring system in a game of this type is going to be flawed when it comes to trying to use it as a means of comparing skill levels.
That's what I meant. ;) due to 'gaming the game' as mentioned in this and other threads...
Im not quite ready for stakes and fire yet. (besides thats HTCs call)
Doubt HT cares if somebody pays $30 bucks a month to vulch themselves. Probably like to have alot more like him.. :p
:lol Eskimo
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Originally posted by DipStick
Doubt HT cares if somebody pays $30 bucks a month to vulch themselves. Probably like to have alot more like him.. :p
:lol Eskimo
I think he does care if for every person doing that 10+ more are alienated and disillusioned and choose not to renew their subscription on the next billing cycle and take their $$$$ elsewhere...
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:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Steve
TY AKAK, now that you mention it I think I've heard that before.
Since my dad has always been a fan of the D, it was the one I chose to try to become proficient in. After spending time in the B however, I too feel that the B is better as a fighter.*
Situational awareness is critical in this game, and once you lose that your pretty much setting yourself up to give an easy kill.. The B has its advantages, but that one major disadvantage outweighs its pro's for me.. Anyone can land kills in any plane if flown right, knowing your boundries of skill and what you can and cannot do gives you those kill messages.. But id still choose a D over a B ;) ;)
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Originally posted by skoorb
> Fokkers!
>
>Well we managed to bust into the top 20 with 2 days left in the tour. We
>are currently ranked 19th with 2 days to go. We need to do a couple of easy
>things to get into the top 10 this month, maybe higher.
>Also please be DISCRETE while vulching our two week spies. If someone whos
>never landed more then 5 kills lands consecutive sorties of 15,17,22 etc...
>it is going to draw the wrong eyes our way.
>
>C yall tonite.
>
>RX
Wow. It must be horrible to vulch a second account and still have crappy stats.
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Originally posted by DipStick
Doubt HT cares if somebody pays $30 bucks a month to vulch themselves. Probably like to have alot more like him.. :p
Oh yah....he cares. Not about the money, but, about the integrity of his game.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Not according to the HTC squad roster (as of today).
Surprised they'd want a proven tard like that associated with their squad.
Oh I think everybody is probably allowed one mistake.
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Also please be DISCRETE while vulching our two week spies. If someone whos
LOL... instant classic!
:rofl
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WT, I agree that the views in the D pony are tons better than the B and thus enhance SA accordingly. I still was surprised by the way the B pony flew. I wouldn't say I was "blown away" but it seems to be noticeably more nimble.
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Originally posted by Steve
LOL... instant classic!
:rofl
Yeah, I know. I'm on the Fokkers squad. I'm still trying to figure this out. If this was taking place, it never did while I was on.
I don't think I ever got that email, but then again I don't read a lot of them that get sent out.
I do know this, Skoorb, aka "succubus" was kicked off our squad a few weeks ago. I talked to 2Shad, whom Skoorb says "requested" him to post that, 2Shad has no idea what he's talking about.
2Shad's still on the squad and he's a good kid, the only teenager we fly with as far as I know.
There's certainly some revenge factor going on here, I'm pretty bummed out about the whole thing.
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Originally posted by Steve
WT, I agree that the views in the D pony are tons better than the B and thus enhance SA accordingly. I still was surprised by the way the B pony flew. I wouldn't say I was "blown away" but it seems to be noticeably more nimble.
Do a Google search on the B/C models. That's where I found the info about Runstang (sorry, old habit) pilots preferring the B/C models after they were upgraded.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by kj714
Yeah, I know. I'm on the Fokkers squad. I'm still trying to figure this out. If this was taking place, it never did while I was on.
I don't think I ever got that email, but then again I don't read a lot of them that get sent out.
I do know this, Skoorb, aka "succubus" was kicked off our squad a few weeks ago. I talked to 2Shad, whom Skoorb says "requested" him to post that, 2Shad has no idea what he's talking about.
2Shad's still on the squad and he's a good kid, the only teenager we fly with as far as I know.
There's certainly some revenge factor going on here, I'm pretty bummed out about the whole thing.
One of the reasons why I'm glad the 479th has a strict 21yrs or older requirement. None of this crap to deal with.
ack-ack
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Our requirements are that the person be currently out of jail.
Probation or awaiting trial while out on bail is acceptable..
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Originally posted by kj714
Yeah, I know. I'm on the Fokkers squad. I'm still trying to figure this out. If this was taking place, it never did while I was on.
I don't think I ever got that email, but then again I don't read a lot of them that get sent out.
I do know this, Skoorb, aka "succubus" was kicked off our squad a few weeks ago. I talked to 2Shad, whom Skoorb says "requested" him to post that, 2Shad has no idea what he's talking about.
2Shad's still on the squad and he's a good kid, the only teenager we fly with as far as I know.
There's certainly some revenge factor going on here, I'm pretty bummed out about the whole thing.
Actually I wasnt kicked from the squad I was kicked from the game for saying something stupid I'm sure (I dont really remember) No this isnt revenge, its called outing cheaters, and yes earlier today 2shad4U had some smart arse comment to say after I typed something on channel 1. I told him that I still had the email, he said that I was lying. So I simply told him that if he wishes I would post the email, he said go ahead b/c you are lying. Which leads us to here.
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Well if your currently out of jail..
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The P-51B is a significantly better handling aircraft than the P-51D, in my opinion.
It turns better, it is more stable at low speed. The D-stang has a much nicer view though.
As far as a B stang vs a D stang in a fight, I remember a while ago me and Wldthing used to fight in P-51s quite a bit. If it was D vs D, he'd own me probably 75% of the time. If I was in a B, and he was in a D, I'd win about 75% of the time. It makes a fairly big difference in a dogfight.
Of course, niether model is a Spitfire, and they don't really have the insta-kill firepower you'd need to fight the way I do... so I don't fly them.
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How on earth does a guy having two accounts (and simply using it to vulch him self) impact on any body else in this game ?
I can see why a squad might want to remove a member who does this, but I can't see how it effects anyone else ?
wipass
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This is why another games method of reporting kill is FAR superior, it names who killed who real time as they occur. There must be a sytem issue why HTC doesn't/can't do this, appears to be a "no brainer" otherwise.
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Originally posted by eskimo2:
My second account name is: Shane
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Now that's funny!
I actually complimented Shane "once" a long time ago on his flying skills and he came back with his "cocky" attitude. He's been an occational target for some of my sarcasm when I see him text on the "all" channel. I'd love to get him on a pool table and see how cocky he'd get then.
:D
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"on" a pool table? yikes!
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Originally posted by Zanth
This is why another games method of reporting kill is FAR superior, it names who killed who real time as they occur. There must be a sytem issue why HTC doesn't/can't do this, appears to be a "no brainer" otherwise.
It used to be this way. It just got to the point where the system kill messages over powered all other channels. 400 players each getting about 5 kills per hour (for arguements sake) equals 2000 messages per hour or 33.3 per minute.
...maybe we need a seperate kill window that we could choose to have open or not??
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Originally posted by skoorb
Actually I wasnt kicked from the squad I was kicked from the game for saying something stupid I'm sure (I dont really remember) No this isnt revenge, its called outing cheaters, and yes earlier today 2shad4U had some smart arse comment to say after I typed something on channel 1. I told him that I still had the email, he said that I was lying. So I simply told him that if he wishes I would post the email, he said go ahead b/c you are lying. Which leads us to here.
edited - *exactly, buh-bye again, succubus.*
Yeah succubus (skoorb) was kicked out. And I think that the line under his name says it all now. Whatever led him and Chad to get into it, who knows, but this was retaliatory.
I post on here a lot, I fly with a lot of you guys, I hope none of you think I'm full of BS on things. It really sucks this happened to the Fokkers, but we've got 29 people on our squad and at least 25 of them had no idea this was going on. *edit - Well, I guess people did get that email, but most said huh? and forgot about it.* I certainly did not know it was going on. At any rate this was ended some time ago and will not return again.
Thw worst part of it all was the pm's and communications from players saying that they would have never expected this from the Fokker squad and how disappointing it was. Yeah, I agree totallyand I think everybody has regrets for this incident.
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Originally posted by Furious
It used to be this way. It just got to the point where the system kill messages over powered all other channels. 400 players each getting about 5 kills per hour (for arguements sake) equals 2000 messages per hour or 33.3 per minute.
...maybe we need a seperate kill window that we could choose to have open or not??
A separate channel for system messages, squelchable at player option (or just give access to the raw logs like in events).
P.S. (If bandwidth an issue make it a squad leader only - or assignable - option)
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So let me get this straight...PLEASE correct me if I am wrong!ScoorB was called a liar, then proved beyond doubt that he was NOT lying...then HTC deleted all but one of his posts and banned him...do I have this right??????
LOL HTC
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Originally posted by DrDea
And what else is Made of wood
Very small rocks!
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So if she weighs as much as a duck......................
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Originally posted by Furious
It used to be this way. It just got to the point where the system kill messages over powered all other channels. 400 players each getting about 5 kills per hour (for arguements sake) equals 2000 messages per hour or 33.3 per minute.
Yea but look at it this way.
It would sure cut down on alot of the political chatter everyone complains about going on chan 1 from simply not being able to get a work in edgewise:cool:
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Originally posted by jdpete75
...Maybe we should all follow the instructions given and call convergys to let them know we have recived thier message in error.
That would be 10x's more ghey than poaching your second account.
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morph, you're really scareing me now. if this is the offspring you produce i dread to think what you look like. or your misses for that matter. ......eeewwww!
:p
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aint skoorb calling the kettle black? i mean an honest person would have asked to be removed from the squad emails in the first place. instead he elected to use this to his advantage. this in itself is spying.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Twisted logic anyone?
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logic? the only logic in this thread is the logic sound program i have running in the background playing insane music that comes only half way to the insanity we are witnessing here
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Originally posted by mechanic
logic? the only logic in this thread is the logic sound program i have running in the background playing insane music that comes only half way to the insanity we are witnessing here
I think a little Primus would be appropriate here!
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Sorry, wrong thredo!
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One of em landed 25 kills in a BN5 or whatever that fragile Japanese plane is, I think it should be perked.
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One of the reasons why I'm glad the 479th has a strict 21yrs or older requirement. None of this crap to deal with.
AKAK, perhaps you should rethink your statement, thats a bit sterotypical don't you think? I'm 18 years old, and I know plenty of teenagers that play heads up without any cheating or padding involved...Your comment just makes us all look bad..
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Originally posted by DYGCaps
AKAK, perhaps you should rethink your statement, thats a bit sterotypical don't you think? I'm 18 years old, and I know plenty of teenagers that play heads up without any cheating or padding involved...Your comment just makes us all look bad..
Nope...this rule was brought about by experience from the couple of times we've allowed minors in our squad.
ack-ack
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Well spazzter of the dirty fokkers is 2nd rank in game wonder how many 2ndaccount kills got him to be 2nd rank.
If you really want to laugh go look at ranks of thier squadies. guys going from .30 k'/s jump up to 4 or 5per sortie in the LAST 2months Gweedo,ezee, badace,spazzter,2shad4u, all have had great improvement in last 2 months Funny how all have improved same 2 months exactly.......... 2shad4u his squad mate .89 k/d .60 kills sortie 2 tods ago now 9k/d almost 3 k/s and in top 20 wtg guys 2nd accounts working well lol ...........
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Originally posted by dvss97
Well spazzter of the dirty fokkers is 2nd rank in game wonder how many 2ndaccount kills got him to be 2nd rank.
2shad4u his squad mate .89 k/d .60 kills sortie 2 tods ago now
9k/d almost 3 k/s and in top 20 wtg guys 2nd accounts working well lol
Check my stats we have never met.
It is funny how guy goes from 1700 rank comes back months off and is top 20 every tod. but now we know how spazzter and 2shad both in top 20.
I know 3shad4u and if your going to point fingers at him you damn well better have more info than that lame lil post:rolleyes:
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I know 3shad4u and if your going to point fingers at him you damn well better have more info than that lame lil post
Really? why? He's had a K/d of one or less pretty much every tour then suddenly shoots up to over 9 in a squad that is now known to have vulch accounts. There is suspicion on every last one in the squad.
Like dvss said, 2shad and several other pilots in the squad are suddenly having "career" tours... and all at the same time.
I'm pointing a finger at him and everyone else in those circumstances in that squad. It's been proven, then admitted to that they pad their scores.
The squad vulches shade accounts and the numbers indicate 2shad is among them. Maybe it's a coincidence...guilty by association then. It's too darned bad if ya don't like it.
...."damn well better have more info".... or what?
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A)hen post your proof is all im asking.
B) I believe my statement was to dvss not you steve.
C) If your going to make accusations you should have the info to prove it not "speculate"
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Well, why can one not speculate? If you hang out with a bunch of smelly tards, you're going to smell like a smelly tard. How does one pick the good from the bad? Hey, it's their $14.95X2. Since there were several in the squad doing it, I'll assume they were all doing it.
RacrX mentioned it was the younger ones in the squad doing it. How old is 2shad?
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Just go check STATS and look at this posting . Dirtty fokkers sent out email saying becareful not to land too many kills killing our spy accounts. Are You related to Johnnie cockran? (spelling is right ****- ran) jonny and you wouldn't trust god if he told you so.
Seen spit up over and over at cv while i was in gv defending. only spazzter was killing him. Spazzter never Requested help at said base or mention cv to knights at all. when i relized no lvts or other planes I up in fighter. Funny thing spit never took off again cv went out to sea. Only remember this cause it happened 3 days ago, after reading this post i got it.
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Originally posted by kj714
edited - *exactly, buh-bye again, succubus.*
Yeah succubus (skoorb) was kicked out. And I think that the line under his name says it all now. Whatever led him and Chad to get into it, who knows, but this was retaliatory.
I post on here a lot, I fly with a lot of you guys, I hope none of you think I'm full of BS on things. It really sucks this happened to the Fokkers, but we've got 29 people on our squad and at least 25 of them had no idea this was going on. *edit - Well, I guess people did get that email, but most said huh? and forgot about it.* I certainly did not know it was going on. At any rate this was ended some time ago and will not return again.
Thw worst part of it all was the pm's and communications from players saying that they would have never expected this from the Fokker squad and how disappointing it was. Yeah, I agree totallyand I think everybody has regrets for this incident.
What your missing from this post was willdcrd is A ex-dirty fokker posted A e-mail sent out to squad Stateing please becareful when killing out spy accounts don't land too many at once, other part of e-mail said were almost in top 10 if we kill spy accounts and vulch right we can be top 10........................ but hey maybe you want more ...................
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Jeez can anyone in this squad SPELL ????
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Originally posted by dvss97
Just go check STATS and look at this posting . Dirtty fokkers sent out email saying becareful not to land too many kills killing our spy accounts. Are You related to Johnnie cockran? (spelling is right ****- ran) jonny and you wouldn't trust god if he told you so.
Seen spit up over and over at cv while i was in gv defending. only spazzter was killing him. Spazzter never Requested help at said base or mention cv to knights at all. when i relized no lvts or other planes I up in fighter. Funny thing spit never took off again cv went out to sea. Only remember this cause it happened 3 days ago, after reading this post i got it.
why should i go look it up? I didnt post the accusation
hmmm im starting to get deja-vu here
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Originally posted by dvss97
What your missing from this post was willdcrd is A ex-dirty fokker posted A e-mail sent out to squad Stateing please becareful when killing out spy accounts don't land too many at once, other part of e-mail said were almost in top 10 if we kill spy accounts and vulch right we can be top 10........................ but hey maybe you want more ...................
actually i did read the post. MY point was about your accusation against 2shad4u. Do YOU HAVE INFO TO PROVE IT? IE. stats
or are you just pointing fingers because he is in the same squad?
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Originally posted by Steve
Well, why can one not speculate? If you hang out with a bunch of smelly tards, you're going to smell like a smelly tard. How does one pick the good from the bad? Hey, it's their $14.95X2. Since there were several in the squad doing it, I'll assume they were all doing it.
RacrX mentioned it was the younger ones in the squad doing it. How old is 2shad?
of course we can speculate.
I just always figured 2shade4u was a good guy never saw him doing what he is accused of...but, I could be wrong
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just always figured 2shade4u was a good guy never saw him doing what he is accused of...but, I could be wrong
Well, this is where you get to decide for yourself. Maybe you've known him for years personally and know he's not the kind of guy to do that. Maybe you've known him for a few months online and decided that you know him. I dunno. I'm not trying to make up your mind for you, but I've reached my own conclusion... as you've seen. :)
As we all know, other than controlling Cv's... score means nothing in this game. It rankles me a little bit that people do this(vulch shades) because there are some in the game that really try to rank high, and do so legitimately. This is a bummer for those people.
Personally, I find it amusing that people do this without shame.... get caught..... deny... then are forced to 'fess up when faced w/ hard evidence. I find it quite entertaining and will take a jab at any Fokker I see landing kills until it no longer amuses me.
Racrx was trying to build a squad, he just used poor judgement in doing what he did to keep people happy. It was a stand up thing for him to come in here and face the music, such as it is on the BBS. Everyone makes mistakes.
After all this... other than me.. who cares what I think? :D
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it frosts my shades as well
and i dont "know" 2shad just had a few decent fights with him and talked some online in the game.
it's sad people feel they have to resort to this kinda makes the game less fun ya know?
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Originally posted by dvss97
Well spazzter of the dirty fokkers is 2nd rank in game wonder how many 2ndaccount kills got him to be 2nd rank.
If you really want to laugh go look at ranks of thier squadies. guys going from .30 k'/s jump up to 4 or 5per sortie in the LAST 2months Gweedo,ezee, badace,spazzter,2shad4u, all have had great improvement in last 2 months Funny how all have improved same 2 months exactly.......... 2shad4u his squad mate .89 k/d .60 kills sortie 2 tods ago now 9k/d almost 3 k/s and in top 20 wtg guys 2nd accounts working well lol ...........
Spazzter is a good pilot, and he had nothing to do with this.
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dvss97, ah skoorb, succubus, you're back.
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Originally posted by Steve
Really? why? He's had a K/d of one or less pretty much every tour then suddenly shoots up to over 9 in a squad that is now known to have vulch accounts. There is suspicion on every last one in the squad.
Like dvss said, 2shad and several other pilots in the squad are suddenly having "career" tours... and all at the same time.
I'm pointing a finger at him and everyone else in those circumstances in that squad. It's been proven, then admitted to that they pad their scores.
The squad vulches shade accounts and the numbers indicate 2shad is among them. Maybe it's a coincidence...guilty by association then. It's too darned bad if ya don't like it.
...."damn well better have more info".... or what?
No Steve, the squad doesn't vulch shades. This thread could go on forever, say what you guys want. See ya around.
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Spazzter is a good pilot, and he had nothing to do with this.
Maybe, maybe not.
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Willdcard:
"actually i did read the post. MY point was about your accusation against 2shad4u. Do YOU HAVE INFO TO PROVE IT? IE. stats
or are you just pointing fingers because he is in the same squad?"
Willdcard here are the stats you askrd for:
2shad4u tour data:
Current tour Kill/death = 9.42 Fighter Rank 54
One tour prior: K/D= 1.7 Fighter Rank 259
One Prior: K/D= 1.07 Fighter Rank 573
One prior: K/D= .89 Fighter Rank 821
One prior K/D= .83 Fighter rank 678
May not be vulching a ghost, but boy look at how fast he is improving. He should be commended for learning so fast all of the sudden. It is to bad he associated with others that vulched ghost accounts.:lol The data CLEARLY shows he is just a gifted learner. :aok
ummm....all of the sudden
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Originally posted by MaddogWx
Willdcard:
"actually i did read the post. MY point was about your accusation against 2shad4u. Do YOU HAVE INFO TO PROVE IT? IE. stats
or are you just pointing fingers because he is in the same squad?"
Willdcard here are the stats you askrd for:
2shad4u tour data:
Current tour Kill/death = 9.42 Fighter Rank 54
One tour prior: K/D= 1.7 Fighter Rank 259
One Prior: K/D= 1.07 Fighter Rank 573
One prior: K/D= .89 Fighter Rank 821
One prior K/D= .83 Fighter rank 678
May not be vulching a ghost, but boy look at how fast he is improving. He should be commended for learning so fast all of the sudden. It is to bad he associated with others that vulched ghost accounts.:lol The data CLEARLY shows he is just a gifted learner. :aok
ummm....all of the sudden
TY maddog. See thats all I was wanting somebody to make their aurguement and show their basis for said arguement
Im not gonna look it up cause quit frankly A) to lazy
B) Didnt make the accusation so
C) see A
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now i like 2shad.
but come on ??
1.7 k/d to 9.4 k/d in one tour???
maybe its fair play but seems a little coincidental.
just my opinion, no offence intended 2shad.
but i think you can do better than fall in with the people vulching ghost accounts. we had some close ones when i was bish
(oooops. i let it out. i was a bish once. its true. please dont burn me.)
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Originally posted by Steve
Maybe, maybe not.
I said I was out but I'm not letting Spazz get dragged thru the mud. Spazzter definitely did not have anything to do with it.
He's probably the most pizzed of anybody on the squad about it right now because of his rank. Speculate all you want, but this is the truth.
Now I'm truly out, you buncha hens can get back to your knitting and gabbing.
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How about you think before you post! the reason my k/d is so good since i joined squad is because i been flying 262 and la7 alot and i have had people to wing up with in this new squad. if you go back and look at kill stats in expanded format you will see i never flew la7 instead flew mossie so whatever you are thinking dvss or however you say or spell your name
mossie=sorta slow and not as manueverable
la7=very fast, not get rundown and gangbanged.
so if you are still trying to say i cheat get a fokkin life if you arent going to go back into stats and see what planes i flew instead of assuming. i also flew hurri alot and that isnt a fast plane
oh yeah one more thing dvsss or whatever, your and IDIOT
and wildcrd i think you have seen me fly and know that i dont need to cheat to get kills so ty for not just sitting back
and about the kills in a b5n those were not cheats they called proxy from ptboats in shipack!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:
just now read the post and thought id add my $100.02 to this retarded assumption
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crank up the fuzz peddle cause most of yez got the facts wrong. for one not EVERYONE in the squad was doing it, just a handfull or probationary accounts which just happened to be minors and 1 other who shall remain nameless but has been mentioned.
as for Spazzter and Ezee and Gweedo cheating? i suggest you check their stats from older tours. spazzter i personally know will own you in the DA as well as ezee. aint no question about these guys....gweedo (me) have only been playing maybe 9 months?? not sure, but you check my stats and i get better every month...no need for me to pad. see for yourself i dont care. i have learned the game and i play it well, i milk run, i vulch, i do fighter sweeps in jets mostly. alot like everyone else. notice there ISNT a dramitic change in my scores, its called natural evolution of someone getting better every tour :)
zosma1 tour 44 rank/1453 45 r/763 46 r/149
scorne tour 47 r/77
zo 48 r/42 49 r/35 50 r/79
gweedo 51 r/25 52 r/5 (<---and it aint over yet)
ya really need to know EXACTLY what ya talking about b4 you go and start accusing good pilots of cheating. try doing your homework presented here for your viewing pleasure. do it for spazz and ezee as well. as for badace....me and him wing up alot and that guy is a great stick. all he needed was a good wingman.
let me make this crystal clear for you peeps that accuse the WHOLE damn squad of cheatin.... it was a few noobs to the squad and the vets had nothing to do with it at all. most of us had no idea it was happening and when skoorb started running his mouth I called em a liar cause i thought thats what he was.
i think this is the last bit of chicken feed i throw out for the chickens out there that no nothing but hen pickin. i do care what is thought about my squad even though most in the squad could care less. the facts are here, yes there was in issue but no longer so keeping it going is just childish. and calling good people cheaters is going a bit to far so i ask yez to cut it out please. like i said, if you met spazz or ezee in the da you prolly would not win against em. i consider spazz to be among the top 5 pilots in the game as well as ezee so dissing them is just wrong. just get over it already cause no one likes to hear old ladies gossip and young ladies aggin it on. :rolleyes: also like to mention that draggin people into this crap shows alot about your character and how ya hold yur head IRL. i am ashamed of what happened and i am ashamed at all the people that will not let it go. it would be different if the whole squad was involved but they were not. so why keep it going?:rofl
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heheh.
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and as for me to prove i am no cheater i will be taking offers to DA to show i do got some skill any plane,almost. you will probably be about #1,234 on the waiting list so join up quick and get your spot in the DA today. any questions please contact my butler
thanks, to those whoe believe
the young grasshoppa:aok
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it is not in the interest of those with lawnchairs to allow anyone to believe anyone else...
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and as to vulching myself i have one computer is what it is, and unless there is a way to run 2 programs of AH at the same time on one computer its impossible, and another thing is that i dont even pay for my AH someone else does who also plays here starts with an L though and i doubt they would be willing to spend $30 a month on me plus their $15 for just them which comes out to $45 a month which wont ever happen for him paying for a damn game any more questions as i said last post.........ask my butler
thanks again CLEARLY shows he is just a gifted learner.
its called wingman in this squad and 262's and to be honest i think i am a gifted learner
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The meter on my BS detector is pegged :D
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This thread started badly and has remarkably managed to deteriorate even more once just about every non-Fokker in the thread left.
Bravo, fellas. Bravo.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Well.... I'm bored and I'm sick... so I'm gonna go look up some stats for y'alls enjoyment.
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Gotta say that after looking through about half their aquad for the past few tours, I don't think there is much to the vulching shade acounts. 2Shad4U is the only obvious one. The rest of them just fly La-7s.
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you guys going to keep talking crap or you going to go to DA to show i got some skill? and Urchin how about you pull up my stats see what plane i have been flying and what planes i stopped flying :lol
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for example how many fighter sortie will suggest i dont play under it much and thats how it is high and attack sortie is main one i play under so keep inside your little virtual world and think what ya want but if you think i dont have skill you will go to DA!!!!!!!!!! and see what planes i flew and died in alot and then see if i have been flying them
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Originally posted by Urchin
Gotta say that after looking through about half their aquad for the past few tours, I don't think there is much to the vulching shade acounts. 2Shad4U is the only obvious one. The rest of them just fly La-7s.
I was only a N1k whoare in February, most of my kills are in 205, 190's, P38, Hogs.
I am now retiring for the third time :p
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Originally posted by Zoldamite
for example how many fighter sortie will suggest i dont play under it much and thats how it is high and attack sortie is main one i play under so keep inside your little virtual world and think what ya want but if you think i dont have skill you will go to DA!!!!!!!!!! and see what planes i flew and died in alot and then see if i have been flying them
i'll be glad to take you to the DA and see what areas you're lacking in.
:rofl
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2shad4u:
look mate, you better chill becuase you are making yourself look worse.
i know you have skill bro, as i said before i have fought you when i was bish.
BUT
skill alone is not a good enough aliby (spelling?). people with skill can still cheat.
IM NOT SAYING YOU ARE CHEATING!
but you are making yourself look alot worse and more guilty by getting so worked up about it
there is an old English phrase:
"My lord, i think the defendant protesteth too much"
just let it go and it will blow over.
alternitively you could just delete your acount and start with a new name :)
PS: i also would back up that spazzter has kicked my butt almost
everytime i have been unfortunate to come across his evil
russian, cannon spouting, plane of doom and i'm usualy flying a spitV.
Spazzter is not a cheat
(changed to knights before ever meeting ezee or gweedo so cant say)
PPS: Damn this thread is fun, let it live for a thousand years :p
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Originally posted by Zoldamite
and about the kills in a b5n those were not cheats they called proxy from ptboats in shipack!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:
where does this happen?? i want a piece of that PT too :D
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I said I was out but I'm not letting Spazz get dragged thru the mud. Spazzter definitely did not have anything to do with it.
Well see that's the problem. You are carping at the wrong people as far as who is dragging people thru the mud. The people that did the shade vulching are doing the dragging... of course they didn't consider that at the time, did they?
Let's use Spazz as an example. Here's a guy who may very well have his stats thru skill and hard work but since members of his squad did what they did and a Squad-wide Email gave advice on how to get away w/ vulching shades, ostensibly condoning the act, doubt is cast on all members of the squad. At least from all those who care. The guys that were actually perpetrating such gamey tardness really suffer no consequence. It's the "legit" guys in your squad that are harmed, such as it is.
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spazzter i personally know will own you in the DA as well as ezee. aint no question about these guys....gweedo (me)
Really? Own who? :)
This thread started badly and has remarkably managed to deteriorate even more once just about every non-Fokker in the thread left.
Maybe Todd, but it passes a little time while I'm at my office and I do find it amusing. :D
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Originally posted by Zoldamite
and as for me to prove i am no cheater i will be taking offers to DA to show i do got some skill any plane,almost. you will probably be about #1,234 on the waiting list so join up quick and get your spot in the DA today. any questions please contact my butler
thanks, to those whoe believe
the young grasshoppa:aok
I love it when the seal pups pump up their chests and start challenging all to a duel. You know, there are other and far more enjoyable ways of getting your arse handed back to you.
ack-ack
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Zolmaphradite, Urchin would own you.
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Boy oh boy, I guess its time I say something before my squad members choke to death from further shoving their own feet down their own throats.
I did own up to this in a previous thread and take full responsibility for the situation (the thread was wiped out to due an idiot posting personal information about my squad) but apparently I am the only one in the damn squad willing to do that besides kj714 on these boards. The rest of my squad is to embarrased to be associated with any of it and I cannot say I blame them.
Here then is the truth as I know it:
A. We have had several ghost accounts for years, mostly just rotating two week trials within the squad. We used them only for spying out cvs in the past and as far as I know no one in my squad ever had 2 pcs on a network and the ability to self vulch. Lots of squads use spies, its part of the game and I wont even bother to defend that because I too could "out" some double accounts. Hell, I know a very respected Knight who will often fly to a V base with a heavy Jug and his own goon trailing behind him :) I think its funny as hell and Skuzzy assures me that having two paid accounts is in no way considered cheating.
B. Recently two of my newer squaddies added paid spy accounts on a permanent basis. I heard that they had upped "drones" for and I am quoting here...(cough) "gunnery practice" for another newer member who was having trouble getting kills. I was not particularly against this because I did not think it would get out of hand.
C. That same tour while attacking a Rook base I was killed by a low spit and was private messaged by my killer that "lol" I had just been shot down by a squaddie who invited me back for revenge. Caught up in the moment I then vulched his bellybutton several times laughing all the while on that sortie and one other.
D. Later that same tour I heard that 3 or 4 squaddies were racking up some serious kills on that account which prompted my e-mail about being "discrete" (laugh it up Steve) a word I have come to greatly regret saying.
E. The fallout from this situation has been embarrasing to a great extent and I am ashamed of my failure to immediately get a grip on the situation and put a stop to it. Rest assured their will be immediate changes to my squad roster the next time I am online. Besides those two sorties I have never participated in any activity that might be considered unethical and my fighter rank will prove that no matter how far back you virtual detectives want to dig.
F. I am sorry to have dragged my AW veterans and respected long time pilots thru this God awful bloody mess and I hereby apologize to anyone who gives a virtual damn, but especially to my remaining squaddies who have had to eat a ton of watermelon while I have been busy as hell with other things lately. (Ya know, work, girls, money, life, etc....)
I especially want to point out Ezee, Spazzter, Drgon, Wilby, Guano, KJ714, Duchess, HawkFD, Cobrakev, Warpy, mike1ao, and YardB for their patience waiting for me to address this situation.
RacrX
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Really? Own who?
I think that was directled solely at you soooo iffen your gonna do some schooling put me down for a C note !
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Originally posted by ZO2
spazzter i personally know will own you in the DA as well as ezee.
LOL! This is the funniest comment in this entire thread...well, that other one challenging everyone to a duel is pretty funny too.
Next time, try not to pick a couple of the crappiest players in the game to threaten us with.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by RacrX
...Here then is the truth as I know it:
A. We have had several ghost accounts for years, mostly just rotating two week trials within the squad.
Did you just admit that you or your squaddys have had multiple free 2 week trails? Aint that stealing?
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Originally posted by Furious
Did you just admit that you or your squaddys have had multiple free 2 week trails? Aint that stealing?
What part of "free" is stealing?
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i quit AH maybe something like IL2 or something will have less internet toughguys/jerks
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i quit AH maybe something like IL2 or something will have less internet toughguys/jerks
*giggle*
Weren't you the one calling people out to the DA? Is this like taking your ball and going home when things don't go exactly your way?
*snicker*
:p
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shad never once landed a FREE kill. that is fact. skoorb thank you for ruining a good squad. I also quit the fokkers and i WILL NEVER go back. i was told not to post here....but seeing as that i gotta pay 15 per month might as well get the most outta it. and RX offers me the boots for defending my squad? yea let it die he says.......
no can do. the only reason im done defending the squad is cause im DONE with the squad.
hey ackack, why dont you challenge spazzter to the DA? put yer money where yer mouth is.:rofl
fokk it all and fokkin no regrets
stay tuned for more heart pound DRAMA in this thread:aok
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Originally posted by ZO2
hey ackack, why dont you challenge spazzter to the DA? put yer money where yer mouth is.:rofl
stay tuned for more heart pound DRAMA in this thread:aok
Sure, and while we're at it, why not drag your arse down there so I can kick it around some. Bring that other 'tard Zoldwhatever with you.
ack-ack
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you killing me man, i quoted you saying :
"LOL! This is the funniest comment in this entire thread...well, that other one challenging everyone to a duel is pretty funny too.
Next time, try not to pick a couple of the crappiest players in the game to threaten us with."
dont turn this issue around on me cause it aint gonna werk. i challenged no one to a duel but i invited YOU to challenge spazzter. like i said put your money where yer mouth is or STFU
:aok
you fight spazzter in the DA then you come talk to me got it?
until then you are DENIED :rofl
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why the hell am i still defending the fokkers anyway???? no more. its ok ack ack we meet soon enough in the ma cause im going rook :aok
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All I know is that this Crap is getting old. ALOT of people have done IT SO WHAT ITS JUST A FU**IN GAME DROP THE DUMB CHIT.
I play the game to have fun, I have met alot of good people in here why ruin it over something so trivial as to wether someone is cheating or not. Do you get a prize for being #1 NO you dont Do you get money for being # 1 NO SO who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALl I gotta say is Fly have fun and Enjoy it. ITS JUST A GAME!!
Anyway to all See ya in the Skies.
DRGON
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drgon man i got tons and tons of respect 4 u. but i aint gonna let no one tell me i cant defend my squad mates. offerin me the boot and telling me to change my name and maybe if the fokkers voted so, i could stay a fokker just cause i posted here is utter BS and you know it! yea i should have let it die but spazzter is a wicked stick and i hate to see stunninghunks like ackack who is a knight btw diss em. no way . i will not submit to racrx or no one else for that matter. so i quit the squad
im a free agent!!! wow sounds like football or somehting.
but like i said im done defending the fokkers. if racrx gonna be like this im gonna be like that. and as long as im pizzed about it....it aint gonna die........racrx shoulda thought more on this before emailing me saying that crap. i could have changed my name and been voted back in......buts thats BS!! i been with you all for what 7 months now? and i get handed this crap as thanks?
i think he went over the top on this one. i will refuse any invites from the fokkers. i will not EVER come back.
if i did stay a nit thought i think i would want to join the FBs and i want my name to be F***** or maybe granMAW lololol. sorry bout that much respect for the FBs they all great.
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Originally posted by RacrX
What part of "free" is stealing?
Read the TOS and see if you can't figure it out.
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Originally posted by Furious
Read the TOS and see if you can't figure it out.
The TOS says nothing about convincing my friends and neighbors and family about downloading a free 2 week trial of this neato game. Need help with that setup Grandma? I'll be right over :)
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In the past there have been cash awards. Just FYI.
g00b
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RacrX, "What part of "free" is stealing?"
I believe that the purpose of a "Free TWO WEEK" trial is to try the game, to see if you like it. If you like it you BUY. By keeping a free "TWO WEEK" account for a couple of YEARS, in my book you are STEALING from HTC. I am quite sure they never intended to provide you with this extra free service. People who defend this activity so strongly amaze me. I will stop posting and forgive and forget the first time someone really admits it was wrong and does not attack someone at the same time.
Utill then...I keep puttin' in my .02 worth. :D
Ummm...one more thing...remember before this started how often people landed 10-15 kills? I don't see that very often now I wonder why?
:rolleyes:
I know it happens for real and have seen people do it...way, way beyond my skill...but watch the kill messages and tell me I am wrong about large kills decreasing sharply.
Peace and Love,
Dog out
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Originally posted by RacrX
The TOS says nothing about convincing my friends and neighbors and family about downloading a free 2 week trial of this neato game. Need help with that setup Grandma? I'll be right over :)
Kinda funny braggin about it to the people who are paying for your bandwidth in front of the folks you are stealing it from.
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LOL :)
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Originally posted by Furious
Kinda funny braggin about it to the people who are paying for your bandwidth in front of the folks you are stealing it from.
Thanks, Grandma laughed too :)
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And therin lies the rub.The total lack of finding doing this wrong.Good for a chuckle and a few more kills and thats it.Fargin scumbags looking for a way to make a name and look good in the MA.The sad part is everyone in there worth there salt KNOWS who sucks and who rocks.This crap sucks and so do those that use it to try to get that "LOOK AT MEEEE!!! IM A PILOT" thing going on.Please get your whole head in front of the shotgun.Thanks for playing.:rofl
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Originally posted by RacrX
Thanks, Grandma laughed too :)
What your doing is Wrong:(
There,somebody said it, can we close this thread down ? , 'cause it's pitiful
Would'nt suprise me if some people get some email or something from HTC
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This is a fair question and I would like a shot at giving it a fair answer. I care because I play this game honestly. The people I fly with play this game honestly. We fly, we die, and we slowly but surely improve.
When I am caught in the sights of Steve, Ack-Ack, Taki, Yucca, Fester, or any of the other good sticks, I die. It has nothing to do with net lag or ping times. They have better SA, better energy management skills, better gunnery skills. How did they acquire those skills ... by cheating? No, they acquired them the same way that anything worthwhile in life is acquired. They earned those skills through hard work and practice
So, who are the cheaters really cheating? They are not cheating Steve, Ack-Ack, et al. because they will kill them in the MA as fast or faster than they kill me. They are not cheating me, because while they are vulching shadow accounts at remote airstrips, I am learning the skills necessary to survive in the MA. They are cheating themselves.
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Originally posted by Flit
What your doing is Wrong:(
There,somebody said it, can we close this thread down ? , 'cause it's pitiful
Would'nt suprise me if some people get some email or something from HTC
I have actually tried to introduce a lot of people to this game and was just trying to put a little humor in my overall chitty week. This holier then thou attitude is expected due to my current situation but jeezus...DrDea I KNOW what happened was wrong and I am doing my damnedest to make amends..guess I am not allowed to have a sense of humor for awhile? :confused:
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Originally posted by romad
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This is a fair question and I would like a shot at giving it a fair answer. I care because I play this game honestly. The people I fly with play this game honestly. We fly, we die, and we slowly but surely improve.
When I am caught in the sights of Steve, Ack-Ack, Taki, Yucca, Fester, or any of the other good sticks, I die. It has nothing to do with net lag or ping times. They have better SA, better energy management skills, better gunnery skills. How did they acquire those skills ... by cheating? No, they acquired them the same way that anything worthwhile in life is acquired. They earned those skills through hard work and practice
So, who are the cheaters really cheating? They are not cheating Steve, Ack-Ack, et al. because they will kill them in the MA as fast or faster than they kill me. They are not cheating me, because while they are vulching shadow accounts at remote airstrips, I am learning the skills necessary to survive in the MA. They are cheating themselves.
Romad:
you have had 4 posts since august 2003!!!! wow.
were your other 3 as profound and insightfull as this one?
damn your cool. :aok <>
As far as this whole business goes, i think it is time we let the cheating fokkers sleep now.
they have fuct up and they know it.
time to forgive and forget surely.
i mean come on, its not like they killed your families or something, they just cheated in a game.
every game has its cheaters and loop holes.
The most kills i have ever landed was 15 kills in an F4U-1C and damn that gave me a huge ammount of (sad, gamey, dweeb-like) satisfaction and pride in my achievement. i did not then and will never cheat in any game from AH to pin the tail on the donkey to my real life challenges.
The reason?
becuase this sense of achievement, however meaningless to others, will only exist in me if i deserve it and know that i deserve it.
So fokkers, i will still call you friends, but, in the wise words of romad: "you have only cheated yourselves"
Skuzzy, please close this now, its gone on enough.
(then i will get the last word too, i love getting the last word in - hehehe) :cool:
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Damn it! Rudyard Kipling has the last word, however hard i try!:mad:
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Originally posted by MaddogWx
RacrX, "What part of "free" is stealing?"
I believe that the purpose of a "Free TWO WEEK" trial is to try the game, to see if you like it. If you like it you BUY. By keeping a free "TWO WEEK" account for a couple of YEARS, in my book you are STEALING from HTC. I am quite sure they never intended to provide you with this extra free service. People who defend this activity so strongly amaze me. I will stop posting and forgive and forget the first time someone really admits it was wrong and does not attack someone at the same time.
Utill then...I keep puttin' in my .02 worth. :D
Ummm...one more thing...remember before this started how often people landed 10-15 kills? I don't see that very often now I wonder why?
:rolleyes:
I know it happens for real and have seen people do it...way, way beyond my skill...but watch the kill messages and tell me I am wrong about large kills decreasing sharply.
Peace and Love,
Dog out
sry, should'a quoted this one.. referring to the "as soon as somebody says this wrong without attacking anyone... "part
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Originally posted by RacrX
I have actually tried to introduce a lot of people to this game and was just trying to put a little humor in my overall chitty week. This holier then thou attitude is expected due to my current situation but jeezus...DrDea I KNOW what happened was wrong and I am doing my damnedest to make amends..guess I am not allowed to have a sense of humor for awhile? :confused:
you think making amends means to kick out the prople who will not let this crap die? after all i tried to beat it into their heads that most of us wasnt cheating and the thanks i get is the boot which is BS.
you hoped so much that ignoring the problem will make it go away but im here to tell you racrx your wrong for what ya did....
telling me to change ma name, not post in defense of myself and others and submit to reinstatement into the squad at the hands of the squad vets.
and here ya are..........doing EXACTLY what ya told us not to do......posting on the board aggin it on......:rofl
i see all kindas of flaws in your actions
oh btw i been flying with the 4-wing again. darn good fellas they are. thinking i like it here so im gonna stay rook for a good long while. there is a few nits im itchin to locate in the ma and i cant wait. :D
its all good, but i think we have some unresolved issues...you and i rx. like the old saying goes, piss on me and ill schitt on you :aok
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yea i should have let it die
Sounds like RacrX delved down and found some wisdom whereas you seem to think you're Spazzter's caped crusader.
Racrx is smarter, but you're more amusing.
you hoped so much that ignoring the problem will make it go away
Ya, actually it would have, but that wouldn't have been as much fun like I said. I'll be right back, getting a new tub of popcorn.
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Originally posted by Steve
Sounds like RacrX delved down and found some wisdom whereas you seem to think you're Spazzter's caped crusader.
Racrx is smarter, but you're more amusing.
Ya, actually it would have, but that wouldn't have been as much fun like I said. I'll be right back, getting a new tub of popcorn.
good stuff there steve. but did ya stop to think that his great wisdom cost him 2 good sticks? i admire spazzter for his skills and i know he is in the top 5 best sticks on the game, DA/MA and it makes me sick that people who know me ezee and spazz would ever say that crap.
im not defending em anymore though....my last post was directed at rx and no one else but feel free to eat ya popcorn and laugh away...and dont forget a tooth pick cause ya know some of it gonna get stuck in ya teeth :lol
ohhhhh i know a good song i should post the lyrics
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You must die I alone am best!
I hope ya flip some guy the bird
He cuts you off and you're forced to swerve
In front of the Beatles' tour bus
A Bookmobile and a Mack truck
Hauling hazardous biological waste
The light turns red you have no brakes
And Hard Copy gets it all on tape
So you can see the look on your face
Die Die Die Die Die Die Die
Die Die Die Die Die Die Die
I hope your Pinto begins to spin
Takes out a disabled Vietnam Veteran
Mows down a Nobel Peace Prize Winner
And maybe some orphans having Christmas dinner
Perhaps even the British Royal Family
And the Rabbi that's clutching the bottle-fed puppy
And we can't forget the newlyweds
And those Jerry's Kids are as good as dead
I hope this helps to emphasize
I hope this helps to clarify
I hope you die
I hope your cellmate thinks he's God
But C.N.N. refer to him as Bowling Ball Bag Bob
Serving time again for abuse of a corpse
Only this time the victim's a Clydesdale horse
While he masturbates to photos of livestock
He does the Silence of the Lambs dance to Christian Rock
Eats feces and quotes from Deliverance
And fights with his imaginary playmate Vince
Die Die Die Die Die Die Die
Die Die Die Die Die Die Die
I hope he grins like Jack Nicholson
And forces you to play a game called Balls On Chin
And whatever happens next is all a blur
But you remember fist can be a verb
And when you finally regain consciousness
You're bound and gagged in a wedding dress
And the prison guard looks the other way
Cause he's the guy ya flipped the bird the other day
I hope this helps to emphasize
I hope this helps to clarify
I hope you die
I hope you die
damn good song :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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you might like this one steve its funny hope ya still eating popcorn
"Hell Yeah"
Alright now boys and girls we've got another story for you now!
We want to introduce to you another friend of the Bible!
Hell yeah
Hell yeah
Hell yeah
Hell yeah
If I were God there would be no explicit sex on T.V.
Like little Opie eating pie when he made it with Aunt Bea
If I were God thou shall not worship false Billy Idols
And thou shall add the Book Of Flavor Flav to the Bible
Thou shall make fun of Hindus thou shall not make a "Speed 2"
If I were God that's what I'd do Heavens no
Hell yeah
Hell yeah
Hell yeah
Hell yeah
If I were God I'd get a bunch of slaves to do everything
Norwegian lesbians that feed me grapes and know how to sing
If I were God thou shall not wear tube socks with Flip-Flops
Thou shall sit and thou shall spin thou shall even wife swap
Thou shall resist the Olsen Twins, thou shall not cut "Footloose"
If I were God that's what I'd do, Heavens no
Hell yeah
Hell yeah
Hell yeah
Hell yeah
And when they nail my pimpled bellybutton to the cross
I'll tell them I found Jesus that should throw them off
He goes by the name Jesus and steals hubcaps from cars
Oh Jesus can I borrow your crowbar?
To pry these Golly-geen nails out they're beginning to hurt
Crucified and all I got was this lousy T-shirt
"I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!" I'll sing as I'm flogged
Yeah that's what I would do if I were God
So vote for me for Savior and you'll go to Heaven
Your lame duck Lord is like Kevin Spacey in "Seven"
With creepy threats of H-E-Double-Hockey-Stick
You just can't teach an old God new tricks
But would I be a good Messiah with my low self-esteem?
If I don't believe in myself would that be blasphemy?
Just sport some crummy "holier than thou" facade
Yeah that's what I would do if I were God
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how many more posts till my member status changes.....lets find out 1 a 2 a 3 nope not 3 illl keep going
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well I think its safe to say ZO has gone insane.
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Originally posted by Flit
What your doing is Wrong:(
There,somebody said it, can we close this thread down ? , 'cause it's pitiful
Would'nt suprise me if some people get some email or something from HTC
Like I said... let it go
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Originally posted by ZO2
why the hell am i still defending the fokkers anyway???? no more. its ok ack ack we meet soon enough in the ma cause im going rook :aok
And this is supposed to make me tremble in fear or die laughing? Since I'm laughing, I'm guessing the later.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by DrDea
And therin lies the rub.The total lack of finding doing this wrong.Good for a chuckle and a few more kills and thats it.Fargin scumbags looking for a way to make a name and look good in the MA.The sad part is everyone in there worth there salt KNOWS who sucks and who rocks.This crap sucks and so do those that use it to try to get that "LOOK AT MEEEE!!! IM A PILOT" thing going on.Please get your whole head in front of the shotgun.Thanks for playing.:rofl
Damnit, don't scare them away...I'm trying to reel in a couple of them.
ack-ack
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for u new kids
(http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v125/wildcrd/aceshigh/newbie.jpg)
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morph....I wanna "DO IT" with the chick in your avatar!:rofl
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
well I think its safe to say ZO has gone insane.
I'm betting this thread has been a very clever troll by this guy and possibly his friends and family (in the minor roles)
http://www.mytrailerpark.com
well done - we had some laughs.
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pesky puppys on the porch tearing up the wicker furnature again .
Beer anyone ??
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Lawn chairs, coolers, crying towels for rent. Getem at the vending trailer next to the the ticket booth. :D
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Dang.. too much butter on my popcorn.. soggy
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
pesky puppys on the porch tearing up the wicker furnature again .
Beer anyone ??
'bout time you got here with the beer.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Zoldamite
i quit AH maybe something like IL2 or something will have less internet toughguys/jerks
Zoldamite, are you 2shad in the arena? If so I got a glimpse last night of your amazing prowess...cough cough. You are wise to retract your DA challenge, not only would steve and urchin spank your whiney little *** but I'm betting my 6 yr old could.
CYA UP!
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
well I think its safe to say ZO has gone insane.
:rofl
:rofl
:rofl
at first he seemed innocent but im starting to think it was his doing as much as the rest now, ZO. did you used to be ZOSO or lemnhed or someone else?
And another thing, YOU ARE NOT, NOR ARE YOUR FRIENDS, IN THE TOP 5 BEST STICKS IN THE GAME, YOU JUST HAVE A GOOD RANK TODAY.
The top five best sticks in the game are far cooler than to even bother with this BBS to this extent. although some of them do. :)
let me just name 5 that are better than you; (in no order of skill)
Ack Ack, Morpheus(in fact all the muppets), Furball, Taki, Wildthng, Leviathn, Redd, Lazerus, CavemanJ, Cars2, Yancya13, all the JBs (excluding 77)
Fester(muppets leader), Wilbuz, Whels, All the 367th DG, Steve, Shane, aka, silat, Pax82...........Oh dear, did i name more than 5?...........the list could go on. you want me to continue?
My advice now would be to jump off your high horse and cancel your shade account :p keep low for a few days and come back when the valium has kicked in :rofl
EDIT: *my appologies to any great pilots i forgot.*
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nope im not zoso or lmnhead or whatever. zo was playing at the same time as zoso, or maybe it was a duel account and i was spying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe i was cheating oooooooooo
i admit those names listed are great, and im not saying im great. but gd i will be. i have held onto the 5 spot for 3 weeks now with little effort so........................... .whatever ackack ya know it all :lol
oh yea ackack IRL know it alls like you get a bust in da mouth but on here aint got no choice but ta put ya on ignore list cause when i read ya posts i feel like pukin
the DRAMA is just begining stay tuned kiddies cause i say: death to smooche.:rofl
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Best Thread Ever :D
Originally posted by RacrX
Lots of squads use spies, its part of the game and I wont even bother to defend that because I too could "out" some double accounts. Hell, I know a very respected Knight who will often fly to a V base with a heavy Jug and his own goon trailing behind him :) I think its funny as hell
I would be very disappointed if this was the case... I had flown with a few squadrons and no such suggestion, talk, or activity has ever been brought up... I would like to think we were the norm and not the exception.
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it seems some of us have different opinions as to who are the best sticks in the game. i say spazzter, shawk ezee are a few, couse fester and his gang too.
but not once did i say i was a great stick..i said i was good and im gettin better every month. also like ta point out that i havent been here NEAR as long most of the names mentioned.
but since i said that i aint defending em no more why are we still on this subject?
let me change the subject.
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i think bush should be impeached cause he is a pos pres oil tycoon that has done nothing but cause sorrow and grief.
cant wait for the alien overlords to come to earth and suck out our brains. i hope he hits ackack first then racrx. as for me ill be made a slave in charge of rounding up human popsicles for vaporivation. the anunnaki are coming. the bible is BS we are all gonna die!
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i cant be bothered to sift back through the other 6 pages to find out who Z02 is, can someone save me the trouble pls?
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You know of the Anunnaki? I thought i was the only one! WOW
I also think Bush should be impeached. But as for the Anunnaki coming, that might be a while due to the long orbit of their rogue planet Nibiru. I think i heard someone saying maybe in the year 3k or something like that. I dont think there are gonna suck out our brains though cause they created our race. Their planet is due to near earth i think in the year 3k. Nibirus orbit is 3400 years, taking it out passed the oort cloud. When it comes, it will come from the Orion group. That is where you will see the bright red star. But we will not be where when it comes. we will have long gone. If you want to learn more ZO2 try astral travelling.
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Originally posted by HUN
Best Thread Ever :D
Remember, take the good with the bad. This entertainment brought to you courtesy of "Dirty Fokkers". If this doesn't make up for our trespasses, nothing will!:D
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Originally posted by BlackenedEarth
You know of the Anunnaki? I thought i was the only one! WOW
I also think Bush should be impeached. But as for the Anunnaki coming, that might be a while due to the long orbit of their rogue planet Nibiru. I think i heard someone saying maybe in the year 3k or something like that. I dont think there are gonna suck out our brains though cause they created our race. Their planet is due to near earth i think in the year 3k. Nibirus orbit is 3400 years, taking it out passed the oort cloud. When it comes, it will come from the Orion group. That is where you will see the bright red star. But we will not be where when it comes. we will have long gone. If you want to learn more ZO2 try astral travelling.
Oh my, the plot thickens
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Originally posted by kj714
2Shad's still on the squad and he's a good kid.
2shad4u??
i think he was kicked outta hornets for doing exact same thing - fixing his score.
Talk to busher, im sure he will know.
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>>I don't recall anyone even mentioning his squadron. <<
Steve/Zazen:
There was mention of the JB squad on the first page of this thread in relation to this JB77/08 guy, and JB 42 responded in defense of his squad.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
I didn't mean to imply that the scoring system means nothing. I merely pointed out that, IMO, any scoring system in a game of this type is going to be flawed when it comes to trying to use it as a means of comparing skill levels.
Hey NB,
About a month ago, I was chasing a high F6, you were below me, I had it in zoom view and didn't notice he was diving on you below me, needless to say, ooopps, I didn't give you a check 6 , I swear it was because I didn't see that he was closing on you, and has nothing to do with the fact that the IP address (oh lets not go there, ) anyway, to make a short story short, I swear I do not have a ghost account, I can barely keep track of what I am doing with one plane, what with the beer spilling on the keyboard, the cigarette falling out of the ashtray, the 2 year old crying in my lap, the wife ack exploding all around me..you know what I mean...so sorry
NwBie
btw: I doubt JB42 knew this was going on, he gets pretty intense, but it would surprise me if he would go along with it.
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Originally posted by ZO2
but not once did i say i was a great stick..i said i was good and im gettin better every month. also like ta point out that i havent been here NEAR as long most of the names mentioned.
er...yes you did
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
for u new kids
(http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v125/wildcrd/aceshigh/newbie.jpg)
Lets not get too serious about this
Ther could be aftershocks of serious consequence
NwBie
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Originally posted by ZO2
dont turn this issue around on me cause it aint gonna werk. i challenged no one to a duel but i invited YOU to challenge spazzter. like i said put your money where yer mouth is or STFU
:aok
you fight spazzter in the DA then you come talk to me got it?
until then you are DENIED :rofl
doesnt this say it all?
you stated that spazzter was in the top best 5 in game, yet you say one must fight spazzter before yourself.
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2shad was never in the hornets only squad he was in was VMF215 corairs and fokkers and he never padded his score
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Originally posted by ZO2
nope im not zoso or lmnhead or whatever. zo was playing at the same time as zoso, or maybe it was a duel account and i was spying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe i was cheating oooooooooo
i admit those names listed are great, and im not saying im great. but gd i will be. i have held onto the 5 spot for 3 weeks now with little effort so........................... .whatever ackack ya know it all
See your mistake is thinking that rank is any indicator of skill. You're a prime example of why it isn't.
ack-ack
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i have held onto the 5 spot for 3 weeks now with little effort so..
Psst, rank means dick. Everyone in the MA knows who the best sticks are and they don't learn it by looking at the scoreboard. The ranking system has it's uses but it does not serve as an indication of skill. Thumping your chest while shouting out your rank will get you nowhere... well, except for some bruises on your chest.
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Originally posted by ZO2
lol
oh yea ackack IRL know it alls like you get a bust in da mouth but on here aint got no choice but ta put ya on ignore list cause when i read ya posts i feel like pukin
Now this is funny...he can't possibly compete with me in the arenas so he now has to get 'physical' over the Intardnet...lmao
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Furball
i cant be bothered to sift back through the other 6 pages to find out who Z02 is, can someone save me the trouble pls?
2 Week Wonder n00b
ack-ack
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AKAK don't you live in the SD area? Let's meet at the AZ-CA border, I'll pummel your arse!
Then again, maybe I'll just buy ya lunch and we'll laugh our tails off at BBS silliness.
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Originally posted by Nwbie
Lets not get too serious about this
Ther could be aftershocks of serious consequence
NwBie
oh not YOU! LOL just the newbie whinebaby2ndacount vulchers.
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now at 6 pages 288 posts! WTG:aok
lets see iffen we can get the all time record!!
I think theres a $50 prize from skuzzy for the new record:D
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Originally posted by Steve
AKAK don't you live in the SD area? Let's meet at the AZ-CA border, I'll pummel your arse!
Then again, maybe I'll just buy ya lunch and we'll laugh our tails off at BBS silliness.
LOL, yep in the SD area, bring that panzy Crumb too and we'll all have a good laugh :c)
ack-ack
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LOL AKAK. I am certain that you and Crumb would have tons of laughs in RL, it really would be a hoot.
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i want my $50
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how many times do i have to post to get $50 for posting the most?:aok
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Originally posted by Steve
LOL AKAK. I am certain that you and Crumb would have tons of laughs in RL, it really would be a hoot.
We totally would and not to mention turn heads when we great each other with " YOU DWEEB!" as we settle down in the bar ;c)
ack-ack
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God this thread is hysterical and sad and hysterical again.
If you score padding weenies get your jollies vulching targets that just means you'd probably run when confronted by a real fight. So it's better that you guys stick to padding your scores over your shade accounts rather than bringing your lame "Look at my rank, see how great I am":lol skilless areses up for the real action.
Leave the fighting to those that want to fight.
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Originally posted by Zoldamite
how many times do i have to post to get $50 for posting the most?:aok
How about they give you $50 to stop posting.
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If ever a thread screamed out age limit for subs this one exemplifies it.Feekin children thinking there bad tulips cause they can hold a jacked score.My how the score potato age has dropped:lol
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Well This thread has caused alot of trouble and Made me laugh at the same time:) But one thing I know is that It has gone to far. As Physical Threats are being made which I think is Stupid BUT the one that is making them NEEDS help. NOt saying that out of spite saying it because I feel he does need professional help for thier problems whatever they may be. I used to know this really funny guy that whenever he was on would make me laugh and was an enjoyable person to fly with NOW it's like Dr>Jeckyl and MR.Hyde. Dont know what happened MAN you really should seek some help!!
Take Care Bro.
Drgon
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Aw crap I'm not going through this whole thread.
Who was making physical threats, that is hysterical.:rofl Howd I miss that?
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Originally posted by Nwbie
Hey NB,
About a month ago, I was chasing a high F6, you were below me, I had it in zoom view and didn't notice he was diving on you below me, needless to say, ooopps, I didn't give you a check 6 , I swear it was because I didn't see that he was closing on you, and has nothing to do with the fact that the IP address (oh lets not go there, ) anyway, to make a short story short, I swear I do not have a ghost account, I can barely keep track of what I am doing with one plane, what with the beer spilling on the keyboard, the cigarette falling out of the ashtray, the 2 year old crying in my lap, the wife ack exploding all around me..you know what I mean...so sorry
NwBie
btw: I doubt JB42 knew this was going on, he gets pretty intense, but it would surprise me if he would go along with it. [/i]
Newbs...
Can I assume from your post that the F6 got me? If so.... YOU *)((&*&($#%^#@!!!! DON'T YOUR REALIZE MY SITUATIONAL AWARENESS IS YOUR RESPONSIBLITY!!!!
:D If I die, it's my fault...and that is the name of that tune :).
BTW, I agree on JB42, the JB's I have dealt with in the MA have all be pretty classy. (cept meybe for the one that got pist because I ran after he shot me up...then I reved and killed him while he was woopin some other poor sap :D).
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Originally posted by Zoldamite
how many times do i have to post to get $50 for posting the most?:aok
you gotta at least be a senior member THEN it gets divided up between who made skuzzy, Hitech, or Pyro spew the most coffe when reading these posts!
BTW extra cash awarded to whoever gets them so flustered it comes out their nose:rofl
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Originally posted by Zoldamite
2shad was never in the hornets only squad he was in was VMF215 corairs and fokkers and he never padded his score
ahh sorry, im thinking of IH191R. My bad!
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furball mind if i ask how to get a moving avatar? is there a special link or something to put in? i had a moving avatar but when i posted it on here it was just a stand still...maybe because i edited the picture size?:confused:
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Ladies Ladies - Want some cheese with your whine. And for arguments sake if they did cheat - Who cares? At least they had the balls to do it! Life isn't fair, neither is this game sometimes (Usually network lag). Learn to adapt, improvise, and overcome!
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."This is gonna be good"
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The ONLY thing amazing about this whole topic is that it has so many replies...
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Ladies Ladies - Want some cheese with your whine. And for arguments sake if they did cheat - Who cares? At least they had the balls to do it! Life isn't fair, neither is this game sometimes (Usually network lag). Learn to adapt, improvise, and overcome!
Lol where did this tard come from? Rarely has so little been said w/ so many words.
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Originally posted by WldThing
The ONLY thing amazing about this whole topic is that it has so many replies...
I was wishing for a good old fashion, burn the witch at the stake hunt but have settled for trying to see how many times I can get Zowhatever to bite.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by EN4CER
Ladies Ladies - Want some cheese with your whine. And for arguments sake if they did cheat - Who cares? At least they had the balls to do it! Life isn't fair, neither is this game sometimes (Usually network lag). Learn to adapt, improvise, and overcome!
(http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v125/wildcrd/aceshigh/newbie.jpg)
Im disapointed I thought for sure this thread would have hit 500 by now
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
(http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v125/wildcrd/aceshigh/newbie.jpg)
Im disapointed I thought for sure this thread would have hit 500 by now
If it hadn't gotten split, it would have had a better chance.
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This is some crazy ****. :rolleyes:
Just wanted to increase my post #'s:aok
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Originally posted by Zoldamite
furball mind if i ask how to get a moving avatar? is there a special link or something to put in? i had a moving avatar but when i posted it on here it was just a stand still...maybe because i edited the picture size?:confused:
i used animation shop that came with PSP, and make sure you save it as a .gif file and not .jpg or anything.
if you cant do it i'll have a go for you.
And stop using the 'get the newbie' picture you stole off me, and i shamelessly stole off another bbs!
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Originally posted by Furball
i used animation shop that came with PSP, and make sure you save it as a .gif file and not .jpg or anything.
if you cant do it i'll have a go for you.
And stop using the 'get the newbie' picture you stole off me, and i shamelessly stole off another bbs!
hehehe think this is onother of "yours" LOL
(http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v125/wildcrd/aceshigh/care-o-meter.gif)
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Originally posted by romad
They are not cheating me, because while they are vulching shadow accounts at remote airstrips, I am learning the skills necessary to survive in the MA. They are cheating themselves.
That's the irony of it all. These twits cheat to show how good they are to the rest of us with their super-duper-uber-I-pwnd-jooz-rank. But when they run into a pilot such as yourself that has taken the time to learn the art of air combat, these twits usually go down in flames after the first turn. Then they whine about how you cheated to shoot them down because they are so super-duper-uber-I-pwnd-jooz 733t.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Sikboy
whoa, Deja Vu
-Sik
YOU SAID IT. :D
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Originally posted by Steve
Hee Hee!
Hiya Steve :D
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Originally posted by g00b
Just looked at stats page.
jb77 has 122 kills on jbo8 this tour.
jb77 has 174 Kills TOTAL this tour.
Just a coincidence?
I think not.
g00b
Doh!...here we go again :D
Popcorn anyone?
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Originally posted by Urchin
I think it is amusing actually. As if fighter rank actually has anything to do with how good you are in fighters.
I wasn't trying to start a witch hunt 42, I remember seeing one of your squad mates land like a 12 and 18 kill sortie in a 110C4 last night. Don't see that plane much, kind of stuck in my head.
Figured it had to be the same guy this guy was talking about.
Hiya Urch. :)
Your post actually brings me to a thought.
"As if fighter rank actually has anything to do with how good you are in fighters."
It should. And it was prolly HTC's intention when they setup the Score/Rank data base. You know? A way for a person to track their improvements over time, by compareing theirselves to the community. However, It is actually impossible to use the Rank/Scores database for anything meaningfull because of the inability to control the behavior of individuals in the community, as we see here, and have in the past.
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
Talking a buddie into a extra acct .. $15.00
Buddie gets account ....$30.00
Talking your whole squad into vulching
the extra account ... $200.00
Alcohol consumed while score vulching $400.00
Getting caught by the whole arena .... Priceless
:D
Woohooo Now dats poetic :rofl
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Originally posted by Zazen13
The actions of JB77 bother me not because it is a sad and utterly pathetic way to garner ill-deserved recognition and reward, but because it totally undermines the efforts of the other 3,000+? paying customers. While only a percentage play with Fighter rank in mind, fighter rank is one of the more meaningfull and sought after sub-ranks. Many, like myself, use fighter rank and it's various constituent components as one tool to measure improvement and overall effectiveness of oneself in the MA from camp to camp. Having an individual like Jb77 abuse the system in this way is an insult to those who pursue simulated WW2 fighter piloting as a favorite pastime and hobby.
If morally bankrupt individuals such as JB77 are permitted to bastardize the statistical framework of the game I fear Aces High will undergo a gradual degradation into something more akin to a first person shooter arcade game. The devoted players, the WW2 historian types, and the military and private pilots that play to get absorbed in the finer points of air to air combat could soon become disillusioned and seek their entertainment elsewhere.
Of course, there are those that will say, "It's his 15 bucks, who cares if he gained a top ten fighter rank through cheating." But what would those people say if instead of just this one 'found out' individual, others start copy-catting him, what if 100s of people did this camp-in camp-out? The integrity of the game would be entirely compromised, the effect would be as profound as if someone had hacked the Aces High server. There would be no faith in the system and instead being a game that focussed on the finer points of air to air combat, Aces High would devolve into a, "Who is willing to devote more money,time and energy into cheating" contest.
It is my personal opinion that cases like these, where there is irrefutable evidence that cheating has been occurring for extended periods of time that the culprit should be removed from the game permanently. If not, there is no disincentive to prevent others, perhaps many others from doing the same thing as Jb77 effectively ruining the game for the rest of us. In the final analysis of this sad tale, we all pay 15 bucks a month, just like Jb77. As paying customers yes, we all have the right to pursue pleasure in the game in a miriad of ways, but cheating is not one of those rights. The rest of us have a right to some assurance that the service we pay for is maintained and the integrity of the game preserved, if not, Jb77's $15 a month is allowed to undermine the $15 X 3000 players ($45,000) that HiTech Creations receives from the rest of us, JB77 has NO right to do that, and in my opinion Hitech Creations would be incredibly irresponsible to permit him to continue to do so.
Zazen
Im sure glad you took the time to explain the way i feel on this issue Zazen. Salute!
MugZ:)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
The distinction is, while I have more than 1 account, I cannot and donot use more than 1 simultaneously (I have only 1 computer). Furthermore, the problem isn't that he purchased multiple accounts as I have for family members or for filming premier pilots in action for my film library. The problem is, he uses one to vulch the other over and over and over and over and over, for the sole purpose of quickly accumulating an inordinately high number of perk points and an artificailly inflated rank...
Hmmm I forgot about all those perk points he's getting :(
No he is creating an unfair advantage of sorts?
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Originally posted by DipStick
Agreed. Score means nothing but it is fun to monitor your k/d or hit % sometimes.
How fun is it now? Or why would one bother in light of the facts we know now?
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Food for thought for HTC: Why should I or anyone else PAY for an account? If the scoring system means nothing, cheating is allowed in the open, and you can play by always getting a new two week account? If this goes unchecked they may find two things,
1. Honest people may move on rather than play with known cheats.
2. People that do stay will stop paying. I mean really why pay? What incentive is there to to follow any rule?
I have asked in previous posts for HTC to do or say something but they appear not to give a damn.
WHAT SAY YOU? ANYONE FROM HTC? PLEASE POST AN OFFICIAL OPINION ON THIS TOPIC. I know I am a junior member so you probably think who the heck is this guy and why should I respond. Um...two words PAYING customer.
Peace & Love,
Dog Out :aok
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Originally posted by MaddogWx
Food for thought for HTC: Why should I or anyone else PAY for an account? If the scoring system means nothing, cheating is allowed in the open, and you can play by always getting a new two week account? If this goes unchecked they may find two things,
1. Honest people may move on rather than play with known cheats.
2. People that do stay will stop paying. I mean really why pay? What incentive is there to to follow any rule?
I have asked in previous posts for HTC to do or say something but they appear not to give a damn.
WHAT SAY YOU? ANYONE FROM HTC? PLEASE POST AN OFFICIAL OPINION ON THIS TOPIC. I know I am a junior member so you probably think who the heck is this guy and why should I respond. Um...two words PAYING customer.
Peace & Love,
Dog Out :aok
your new here so I'll try and enlighten you on a few thingys here on da board
A) discussions of cheating on the board are taboo voodoo.
the topic of this thread isnt cheating it's padding yur score
B) Demands of Hitech or his staff for responsis on said subjects will get you nowhere on the BBS. Email them or call them for your answers
C) We pay because WE love the game and its our money so we do what we want with it
D) HTC has posted a "OFFICIAL" response on the topic of "cheating" do a search and look it up
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And with 14 posts your is not to question why......Yours is but to pay and fly.
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Wildcrd: Oh wise one TY so much for your wisdom.
People who are "Padding their scores" ARE cheating, you are a sad individual if you do not have the basic morals to see that. I know it is a virtual world, but when people "Pad" it does effect everyone else, as they "earn" more perk points than they should have and change the play of the game..
So the topic of this thread DOES relate to cheating. I can understand why some would not like cheating discussed. An e-mail has been sent - good suggestion, again TY. I did a search on cheating as you suggested and got hits on 867 posts. Please help me find the one you are refering to.
I also pay for the game, important word PAY. Indeed everyone should do what they want with their account, as long as it does not change the character of the game.
Thank you for speaking up for HTC. I am glad you know thier thoughs.
DrDea - what kind of comment is that, if you have more posts you should be listened to more? Lame. The inflow of new people make this a more interesting and challenging game - I would think, but again maybe I am wrong.
:rolleyes:
...steps away from keyboard...takes a deep breath :lol
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70959&highlight=Cheating
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Nope...this rule was brought about by experience from the couple of times we've allowed minors in our squad.
ack-ack
Hey you still owe me $.57 for the custom "TEEN SQUELCH HACK" and bonus 25% off coupons from http://www.muttonbone.com.
:D
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Gracious for the link morph
As for maddog I do see the "moral" implacations.
I was just trying to give ya a heads up unfortunatly u took it as a smartarsed response. And i don't "know" HT's thoughts however HTC has made their stand on this topic extremely clear so yeah on this I do know. And if your around long enough you just might get to know a few things too. good luck
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Morpheous - TY for that link.
Wildcrd - if that was the link you were talking about - It says they take cheating seriously. It does not say it is a forbidden subject. there are at least two people that have admitted to cheating but yet I see them on line every day. I don't see how this goes in line with the link from Morph. Wildcrd - if you find a better link let me know BRO - I will be happy to read it. I don't have to be around to long to know human nature. Some people would not defend others so strongly if the didn't feel a bit of guilt. At least that has been my expirience in life. Depends on what the definition of is is as one famous lier said. :)
Morph
:p Wildcrd
Oh...thinking of a new thead " cheaters favorite cheats"
Kind of has a ring to it. LOL
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Here's one:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108011&highlight=cheating
Here's what he said:
My belife is it dosn't happen. Im sure it has been tried. But think what realy happens when you disconect. You fly straight while you are disconected, and also the plane you are fighting also warps just exactly like the player who discoed.
There are other more likely conditions which can cause a plane to jump back. These I will not discuss "so don't bother to ask" because they involve very propriaty techniques.
The accusations of cheating are much more of a problem than any cheating happening.
quote:Ultimately, the decision is up to HTC and my point in starting this thread was to raise awareness. We don't tolerate vulgarity, racism, or sexism, and I think this should be on the same level.
This type of statement is exactly the problem. Raiseing awareness is exactly what shouldn't be done. Bring a problem directly to us is what should be done. By starting this thread im sure there are now people trying it, and finding out it dosn't realy give you any advantage.
Im about ready to take the flip side and ban anyone who makes a false acusation of some one cheating. It can hurt AH just as much as any real cheating can.
So Im closing this tread, And be warned I will no longer tolerate ANY discusion of cheating on this bbs. If you feel some one is cheating Film it and send it to HTC.
HiTech
:rolleyes:
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Wildcrd - TY for that link. I have been reading the BBS for for awhile. Not sure how I missed that thread. It refered to accusations of cheating and I feel this is a different situation where it has been addmitted and documented (until removed by HTC).
I am awaiting a reply to my e-mail to HTC and will say no more on this subject.
Peace
:)
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Originally posted by MaddogWx
Wildcrd - TY for that link. I have been reading the BBS for for awhile. Not sure how I missed that thread. It refered to accusations of cheating and I feel this is a different situation where it has been addmitted and documented (until removed by HTC).
I am awaiting a reply to my e-mail to HTC and will say no more on this subject.
Peace
:)
No problemo
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
Here's one:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108011&highlight=cheating
Here's what he said:
My belife is it dosn't happen. Im sure it has been tried. But think what realy happens when you disconect. You fly straight while you are disconected, and also the plane you are fighting also warps just exactly like the player who discoed.
There are other more likely conditions which can cause a plane to jump back. These I will not discuss "so don't bother to ask" because they involve very propriaty techniques.
The accusations of cheating are much more of a problem than any cheating happening.
quote:Ultimately, the decision is up to HTC and my point in starting this thread was to raise awareness. We don't tolerate vulgarity, racism, or sexism, and I think this should be on the same level.
This type of statement is exactly the problem. Raiseing awareness is exactly what shouldn't be done. Bring a problem directly to us is what should be done. By starting this thread im sure there are now people trying it, and finding out it dosn't realy give you any advantage.
Im about ready to take the flip side and ban anyone who makes a false acusation of some one cheating. It can hurt AH just as much as any real cheating can.
So Im closing this tread, And be warned I will no longer tolerate ANY discusion of cheating on this bbs. If you feel some one is cheating Film it and send it to HTC.
HiTech
:rolleyes:
That's not HiTech.
243 words and 12 spelling errors... it can't be him.
:)
eskimo
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>But when they run into a pilot such as yourself that has taken the time to learn the art of air combat, these twits usually go down in flames after the first turn. Then they whine about how you cheated to shoot them down because they are so super-duper-uber-I-pwnd-jooz 733t<
Yup, that sums it up :aok
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>It is actually impossible to use the Rank/Scores database for anything meaningfull because of the inability to control the behavior of individuals in the community, as we see here, and have in the past.<
And not only here but, in other combat sims as well.
I have 3 kids who play computer games and console games. They routinely go to a webpage somewhere, and copy published cheat codes to enhance their performance/scores. I shake my head and move on; I expect that from kids. I don't expect or understand it in a predominately adult group of gamers. Now what a dweeb is doing by opening a second account isn't cheating; IMO it is dweebery in an extreme sense; not to mention expensive. But they do it to gain some sort of advantage. It isn't going to stop so move on, and keel the bastids whenever you see them ;)