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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Saurdaukar on May 12, 2004, 03:23:14 PM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4953015/
On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. The next day Berg was released. He told his parents he had not been mistreated.
But Senor, speaking Wednesday in Baghdad, told reporters that Berg was detained by Iraqi police in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul. The Iraqis informed the Americans, and the FBI met with Berg three times to determine what he was doing in Iraq.
Interest twists to the story. I found myself wondering about the nature of the relationship between Berg and those who killed him. Perhaps we're still missing an aweful lot of this story.
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ah man thatd make me really sick:(
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Well, if that doesn't then this will..
"NBC News has learned that long before the war the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself — but never pulled the trigger....."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/
Will have to wait and see how substaniated this becomes of course. The same way people did when accusations that Clinton personally let Osama off the hook were
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sigh, you are right.:( The world seems to be gettin chittier and chittier every day, make you really wonder whats ahead in the future.
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If that's true, they're as negligent as Clinton was. Stupidity beyond all boundaries.
If they could have gotten him, that should have taken the shot.
Of course, that far into Iraq there'd be absolutely no confirmation of who we did or did not kill. By the time CNN got there, only dead children would have found been in the craters; Any buildings would have been stuffed with scorched hospital equipment, courtesy of SH.
The entire world would have attacked us for killing Iraqi kids due to bad intel information.
None the less, I think it would have been worth it IF we could have gotten him.
Let's see how this one develops.
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For conspiracy theorists, this is quite a gem with all the happenings.
First was revealed how iraqi prisoners were tortured/humiliated, which made it possible to really damage Bush's support.
Then happened this outrageous act, which conveniently happens to also really increase support for the war and Bush.
It's a wonder if good bunch of people suddenly doesn't see torture/humiliation of iraqi prisoners under a whole new light.
Also somewhat conveniently it happens to be Al Qaeda, after they hadn't been under the spotlight for a long time in Iraq.
Attention used to be more on the other militant/terrorist groups out there.
Nobody wouldn't either believe such an outrageous act would been created by some US based goverment organization.
All in all, it's going to greatly increase support for the war & Bush and make torture/humiliation of iraqi prisoners a lesser evil than it was.
However most likely nobody will never know who really were behind it.
and before someone begins screaming bloody murder, the above 'conspiracy theory' is not really what I do think of it.
but it's always interesting after all whats happened.
Although it's not an impossible scenario, since beheading someone wouldn't be anything compared to some things which some goverments have done to drive their own benefit.
Like the very recent case where some dozen refugees were shot on purpose and then told to been terrorist - just to say to certain countries "we are serious with war on terrorism".
(I don't recall the country which did this and was revealed just recently.. hmpf)
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You mean there were terrorists inside Iraq?!
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So, before his head stops rolling his death is now a conspersity of the Bush administration..? You are all sick beyond your years...
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Up coming news at 11.
A high-ranking source, on the condition that his name not be used, reveled today that Nick Berg was secretly spirited away to a little used anteroom deep in the basement of the Whitehouse. There, in full view of President Bush, five CIA mercenary dressed as Al-Qaeda operators beheaded Mr. Berg while shouting in perfect Arabia, “God is great”
That should pretty much cover it.
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Interesting responses.
Personally, I found myself wondering about the relationship between Berg and the terrorists.
Apparently the US and Iraqi authorities paid an aweful lot of attention to him, questioning his motives for being in Iraq, he went there "looking" for work, not having a job yet, and as far as I can tell, there is a void between his time in coalition captivity and the video that isnt explained very well.
What are the odds of him being released by the Iraqi's only to be executed by by chance in the hands of AQ shortly thereafter?
Maybe he was on his way to see them anyway and outgrew his usefullness?
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Look at the picture of the masked men, they are all FAT. Now if you have seen pictures of al-qaeda members or terrorists, they usually suffer from malnutrition and are not well fed. These guys are porky and well fed to say the least. The fat arabs I see are always the ones living well in saudi arabia or Kuwait, where living is good, or that of saddam's old regime who lived well. Of all the captured al-qeada, I never saw round ones.
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Up coming news at 11.
A high-ranking source, on the condition that his name not be used, reveled today that Nick Berg was secretly spirited away to a little used anteroom deep in the basement of the Whitehouse. There, in full view of President Bush, five FAT CIA mercenary dressed as Al-Qaeda operators beheaded Mr. Berg while shouting in perfect Arabia, “God is great”
That should pretty much cover it. Picky, Picky, Picky. :)
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Sixpence,
Keen observation (the men in the vid look healthy), but incorrect assumption (terrorists are in hiding and starving).
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Originally posted by VOR
(the men in the vid look healthy)
To say the least, you see the two on the right? They all have what could be described as beer guts, they just don't seem to fit the al-qaeda profile, they all seem like they live pretty well. That's why I mention them maybe being saudis or of saddam's old regime. They say they're al-qeada and who is going to question it?
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AL Sadr isnt exactly skinny??????
OMG some guys who arnt skinny claim to be Al Queda.
Six arnt you the one that posted all those threads about bld 7 in the WTC being detonated by the NYFD?
BUSH could cure cancer aids and end world hunger and you haters will still say too little too late
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Are you suggesdting there are no Al-Quaida operatives in/from Iraq or Saudi?
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Originally posted by VOR
Are you suggesdting there are no Al-Quaida operatives in/from Iraq or Saudi?
Are you sudgesting there are?
I heard this conspiracy that Hillary Clinton was actually a HUGE butch lesbian.
I heard this conspiracy that Teddy Kennedy was acutally a fat woman at one point in time
I heard this rumor that Kerry likes woman's clothing AND he had a few conservative staff members executed for not voting for him.
I heard that Bill clinton actually had a still at the white house.
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Originally posted by Toad
The entire world would have attacked us for killing Iraqi kids due to bad intel information.
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Has the entire world attacked us yet? Cause last i checked kids died during the invasion, which was based on bad info. You really cannot use that as an excuse to go after those guys.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Six arnt you the one that posted all those threads about bld 7 in the WTC being detonated by the NYFD?
Ahh, no, nice try though. Let me ask you another question, in all of the tapes made by OBL and his top deputies, in any of those tapes, did they wear masks? Shoot, they were almost proud to have their faces on film.
What I am saying is that they could be saudis or ex members of saddam's regime, that's why they would wear masks, we already know what zawkari(spell?) looks like. And that's why they would say they were al-qeada, pretty simple. What is the big conspiracy about that?
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All I can say is God Bless his soul, NO ONE deserves to die that way, Iraqi or American, or anyone...
Mr. Berg, God Speed
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Are you ready for this....?
Berg was also JEWISH!!!!
Cant talk now, I hear helicopters.........
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Stabby, go ahead and make the case that if we'd have shot three dozen cruise missiles into Iraq claiming to hit A-Q that Saddam wouldn't have had a propaganda bonanza with it. And further make the case that all the Euro countries that had a hissy fit BEFORE we even went in in GW2 wouldn't have gone into a rabid frenzy over that.
Go ahead. I'd like to see it. It'd be even funnier than your usual stuff.
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peace to his family
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Berg really REALLY should have used better judgement (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=2&u=/ap/20040513/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_berg_16).
happy now, txmx?
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Originally posted by Sandman
Berg was an idiot (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=2&u=/ap/20040513/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_berg_16).
Ok Thats enough!
The man Is DEAD!
What Is the point of calling him names?
Do you feel like a big man now ?
If you got your head cut off everytime you muffed up you would have never made it out of diapers.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Ahh, no, nice try though. Let me ask you another question, in all of the tapes made by OBL and his top deputies, in any of those tapes, did they wear masks? Shoot, they were almost proud to have their faces on film.
What I am saying is that they could be saudis or ex members of saddam's regime, that's why they would wear masks, we already know what zawkari(spell?) looks like. And that's why they would say they were al-qeada, pretty simple. What is the big conspiracy about that?
Ok I'll give you an inch:
It is possible that behind those masks and outfits speaking in arabic or farsi or what ever are actually: CIA opratives, Saudi Ops, mercs, librals, donald duck, dave chapell, or even some guy that posts on this board who's name is sixpence.
BUT they fit the profile. They dont look fat to me. Yes it seems like a copy cat crime....the timing. Yes there could be a conspiracy.
BUT,
when proving theory there is this contravisial thing called PROOF!
I see a bunch of terrorist bellybutton clowns beheading an innocent man for his race and religion.
[voice in my head]but that's what they want you to see[/voice in my head]
http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html
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The guy was just out to make some money, sure it was risky and he was foolish. However, the guys that murdered him were animals and deserve to be treated as rabid. That goes as well (maybe to a somewhat lesser degree) for anyone that condones their activity.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Berg was an idiot (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=2&u=/ap/20040513/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_berg_16).
Sandman,
Thats a bit over the top, even for you. You may have based your "self thought funny title" on the basis of a yahoo news repot, but, you, and those here of this board were not there. You really need to think before acting in the future, definitely not even a remotely funny one on your behalf....
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Sandman
happy now, txmx?
Man just show some respect for the dead ok.
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Originally posted by AKIron
The guy was just out to make some money, sure it was risky and he was foolish. However, the guys that murdered him were animals and deserve to be treated as rabid. That goes as well (maybe to a somewhat lesser degree) for anyone that condones their activity.
I"m not so sure he was there just to make a buck. I guess he went to africa or sier lion or somthing. who knows.
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I'm not being funny. The guy decided not to heed the advice of the FBI and now he's dead. You can bet that they're all sitting around the station house, sipping on coffee and shaking their heads all the while saying things like, "Stupid bastard, we told him."
You can't save the ones that are too foolish to heed good advice.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm not being funny. The guy decided not to heed the advice of the FBI and now he's dead. You can bet that they're all sitting around the station house, sipping on coffee and shaking their heads all the while saying things like, "Stupid bastard, we told him."
You can't save the ones that are too foolish to heed good advice.
AND YOU KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU READ IT LOL.
If thats the case then I have a land deal for ya!
Look dude show some class and stop slamming a dead man will ya!
All it does is show what a complete arse you are.
Its tasteless and cruel and in no way called for.
How old are you again?
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Originally posted by txmx
How old are you again?
Old enough to know that I can't walk through Compton at 2AM alone, let alone a war zone.
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What happened to this guy IS tragic, horrific.
Why was this guy in Iraq after being advised to leave? Apparently he didn't have a job. I don't believe he was there for charity but was looking for work.
Certainly this guy didn't deserve to die.
TX, if you read a sign that says "Minefield" and you still proceed... aren't you at least a little responsible if you get your foot blown off?
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Originally posted by Sandman
Old enough to know that I can't walk through Compton at 2AM alone, let alone a war zone.
Well If you did and you got killed I would hope people whould have the class and maturity not to make light of it.
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What happened to this guy was an outrage, totally and completely an outrage.
However, who in their right mind would go to Iraq and travel around alone? The guy was warned to get out and offered a free plane ride home. Kind of reminds me of the guy that tried to live with the Brown bears in Alaska..... end result was the same.
That doesn't condone his killing in any way, but he knowingly himself put his life great in danger.
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Originally posted by Steve
TX, if you read a sign that says "Minefield" and you still proceed... aren't you at least a little responsible if you get your foot blown off?
True but I still see no need of speaking poorly of the dead no matter how many bad choices the guy made.
I mean who the hell are we to sit and judge a dead man?
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I am not saying that the guy did not make a bad choice.
What I am saying Is there is no reason to call a dead man names.
Did he mess up you bet I am sure that thought crossed his mind a few times as he sat in that chair.
Maybe It's my generation or something but I will never speak poorly of the dead.
It Is just in very bad taste and shows a total lack of maturity.
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Hey Steve, I just scrolled up and realized you had made almost exactly the same point that I tried to make.
And it's so true. "Don't feed the bears" means nothing to the idiots that insist they know better.
Why do people make fun of people for the "Darwin Awards" ? It's because they feel that those people put themselves in the situation at their own will and paid a predictable price.
Why is this person not regarded as a "Darwin award" type?
The fact is that it's an absolute horror that people could treat another human this way. No excuse for it, no justification. However, since when did a rational person think they could travekl around alone in Iraq?
Hell, I wouldn't travel around many areas of L.A. alone
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wow Nuke... brilliant minds.
TX.. I agree the name calling was a bit over the top.
Consider the sources.
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where do you get he was unemployed?
However, in a Jan. 18 e-mail, Berg said his company had been announced as an approved subcontractor for a broadcast consortium awarded a contract for the U.S.-controlled Iraqi Media Network.
"Practically, this means we should be involved with quite a bit of tower work as part of the reconstruction, repair and new construction of the Iraqi Media Network," he wrote, referring to the network as "something like NPR in the U.S."
It was unclear whether the contract was revoked.
people "thnk" they see something twist it and just run like an MoFo with it and others follow like lil sheep.
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people "thnk" they see something twist it and just run like an MoFo with it and others follow like lil sheep.
Twist this.
I heard on news reports he was looking for work. I didn't twist anything.
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Originally posted by Steve
Twist this.
I heard on news reports he was looking for work. I didn't twist anything.
the news report everyone seems to be refering to says differently. thats all I was pointing out. Just quoting off the news report itself. still dont see where he was looking for work
since its been stated that he had just recently been working on a tower that was close to the prison.
can't BOTH be true can it? Either he was employed or not. Wonder wich media outlet will nail down the true facts
BTW never said YOU twisted anything
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BTW never said YOU twisted anything
aww shoot. If I misunderstood and you were directing this at someone else, please accept my apology.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
It is possible that behind those masks and outfits speaking in arabic or farsi or what ever are actually: CIA opratives, Saudi Ops, mercs, librals, donald duck, dave chapell, or even some guy that posts on this board who's name is sixpence.
BUT they fit the profile. They dont look fat to me. Yes it seems like a copy cat crime....the timing. Yes there could be a conspiracy.
What are you babbling about? CIA? Mercs? huh? Ok, i'll try tp explain it again. Remember the post you agreed with? You know, the one where they explained how the middle east wages war against us by funding al-qeada, and by doing that we can't point to any arab country for responsibility? It's the same thing. These extemists from surrounding arab countries go there, you know, like those Saudi religious police? The ones that stone women to death for showing their face in public? It's bad enough that Iraq is liberal, i'm sure that's what they want, more western influence in Iraq. What nationality were the ones who flew the planes into TWC? Are you going to babble about the CIA and mercs and donald duck?
It's this simple, every extremist from surrounding arab countries are pouring into Iraq,they commit these crimes, and point to al-qeada so we can't point a finger at an arab country. You think they would want you to know if they were from saudi arabia or were that of saddam's old regime? Of course not, they would want you to think as far away from that as possible. That's why they wear masks!! Is that a big conspiracy? No, it's something you agreed with a long time ago.
They are not fat? Look at the two on the right, they have John Belushi bodies, it's pathetic. I would bet my last dollar they are saudi.
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fat *******s, skinny *******s .. it makes a difference now?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Look at the picture of the masked men, they are all FAT. Now if you have seen pictures of al-qaeda members or terrorists, they usually suffer from malnutrition and are not well fed. These guys are porky and well fed to say the least. The fat arabs I see are always the ones living well in saudi arabia or Kuwait, where living is good, or that of saddam's old regime who lived well. Of all the captured al-qeada, I never saw round ones.
Oh, come on guys...how FAT was SH when we found him in his spider hole? The guy gained weight on the run (if here were ever truly on the run)! it's one thing to dislike Bush..it's another thing to compare him to Hitler...it's still another thing to say he somehow might have been involved in 9-11....
but to suggest that he's even remotely related to Berg's killing...you're all making him out to be the antichrist, and that's just plain wrong IMO. I'm an unapologetic democrat and I'd like to see him out in november but I really have to question all this consipracy thinking.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Ok I'll give you an inch:
It is possible that behind those masks and outfits speaking in arabic or farsi or what ever are actually: CIA opratives, Saudi Ops, mercs, librals, donald duck, dave chapell, or even some guy that posts on this board who's name is sixpence.l[/url]
Dave Chapelle? :lol
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Dave Chapelle? :lol
Yea....after words he sent his minions to north brooklyne to get breast milk from and cambodian immagrent.
"mmmmm...that's 100% pure cambodian"
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Yea....after words he sent his minions to north brooklyne to get breast milk from and cambodian immagrent.
"mmmmm...that's 100% pure cambodian"
ROFL..I missed that one....man that show is funny...he's gonna get banned pretty soon though, once the neo-dolts start watching Comedy central.
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once the neo-dolts start watching Comedy central.
Is Tipper Gore a neo-dolt? I mean, she loves censoring stuff.
What is a neo-dolt?
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Originally posted by NUKE
Kind of reminds me of the guy that tried to live with the Brown bears in Alaska..... end result was the same.
[thread-jack mode on]
How do you tell the difference between a black bear and a grizzly bear?
When you see a bear, climb a tree. If the bear climbs the tree and kills you, it's a black bear. If the bear knocks the tree down and kills you, it's a grizzly bear.
[thread-jack mode off]
He was in Mosul to visit a relative of an aunt who married an Iraqi..one of his last emails was that the relative was very concerned more for his own safety than berg's {ya THINK? :eek: ] Maybe he thought that by growing a beard and visiting family that he could appear to be "down with the cause." In any event, it's unfair to blame the victim. I'm sure he didn't have a deathwish, he just underestimated the situation and made some bad choices.
Who doesn't? RIP. :(
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Originally posted by Steve
What is a neo-dolt?
Anyone curious enough to take the comment seriously...
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Oh, come on guys...how FAT was SH when we found him in his spider hole? The guy gained weight on the run (if here were ever truly on the run)! it's one thing to dislike Bush..it's another thing to compare him to Hitler...it's still another thing to say he somehow might have been involved in 9-11....
but to suggest that he's even remotely related to Berg's killing...you're all making him out to be the antichrist, and that's just plain wrong IMO. I'm an unapologetic democrat and I'd like to see him out in november but I really have to question all this consipracy thinking.
Who is saying Bush is related to Berg?? or 9/11? Do you guys read anything b4 you post on it?
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Originally posted by Steve
aww shoot. If I misunderstood and you were directing this at someone else, please accept my apology.
no problemo
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Who is saying Bush is related to Berg?? or 9/11? Do you guys read anything b4 you post on it?
Pull in the reins a bit...read Fishu's conspiracy post
...not that he nor I believes it, but trust me...it's coming...sopme knucklehead will make some dumbarse comment...
As for people trying to connect the dots between Bush being connected to 9-11...that's OLD news....