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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Torque on December 30, 2000, 11:57:00 PM
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Great springs crappy pots.
Great pots crappy springs.
Falls apart the second you plug it in
Might as well call this stick a weeble because all you'll do with it is wobble.
Twist grip how gayola.
Does this stick have springs or just wet noddles.
I saw Luke Skywalker using this one.
Match the manufacturer to description.
I'm a Fish on dry land without the feel of a TopGun!
[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 12-30-2000).]
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I like the MS Precision Pro. Its cheap with the rebate you can get it for around $20. I have Simped Vario Pedals that block out the Twist stick on mine. $180 for the pedals from Germany. I like em and they are both Digital so no Pots or resistors to get dirty or have to clean. The MS works off of light and the pedals work off of magnets. Nothing to break (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) The only thing thats gone wrong with my MS is the hat switch on one was bad. Spent $20 to get another one with rebate (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Later Torque-a-Mada
LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!
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I, for one, am looking forward to ThrustMaster's HOTAS 2000.
When they see fit to finish and release it.
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For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
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-Karnak
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Well I've posted about this before, many may rememeber.
I had (note: HAD) an MS Sidewinder Precision Pro stick. When I first got it I thought it was great, soooo much better than my previous 2 button stick. Then the problems started. Damn thing kept recalibrating itself mid-flight. Tried everything to cure it, nothing had any effect.
And now.......
I GOT A NEW STICK FOR XMAS!!!!
MS Sidewinder Precision Pro II.
It's got 1 button less than the PP1 and a redesigned upper stick. All I can say is "COR! 'KIN 'ELLFIRE". I thought the original PP was a decent stick, boy was I wrong. Compared to the PP2 the entire feel of the PP1 is crap.
Everything feels smoother.....my gunnery % has gone up, my ACMs feel more natural, everything just feels nicer.
And best of all the PP2 hasnt thrown a single wobbler on me, yet.
Note: Almost every single disco I ever had was me rebooting in disgust when that damn PP1 recalibrated itself. You just see how many discoes show up on my score now.......
Swoop
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Unless somethings changed recently, the SIMPED-vario set doesn't support USB, or PDPI yet. That leaves me out. I'm not sticking to the old plugs anymore. I like them though. Nice wide stance.
Another MS stick? I don't know. Somehow, I'd break it.
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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LLBM is spot on. MSFF with hoffman pedals here. Best quality there is.
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Mitsu turned me onto the FF pro back in beta. I've never had a problem. I had went through 3 Pre pro,s in 6 months.
If your handy with tools you can tighten it up around the center (to much slop). I don't think the dam thing will ever ware out.
BTW after being used for awile, the twisty part will pay off when u hook back up to your porn pipe.
[This message has been edited by easymo (edited 12-31-2000).]
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Swoop, actually, I have the Precision Pro 1...It's much better. The button layout is the better and the feel of the joystick is better. Oh and if you wanted to know, all they did was put the power transformer inside the stick, reduce the size so it takes up less real-estate, and reshaped it. There's no difference in the actual hardware. Thats M$ for ya.
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I bought a Logitech Wingman Digital 3D and it is far better than my old sidewinder pro, it was cheap, has a good ergo feel and doesent spike, plus if the spring feels to weak you can pop it open and put a spacer on it to make it as tight as you want.
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Voss, incorrect.
Simped supports PDPI, you have to buy a seperate 'dohicky' to plug in between the Simpeds and the PDPI, I have it and it worked fine until my Simpeds broke (resistor came off of PC board internally, they still work as analog pedals however, and Dieter Hoffman has instructed me how to fix them or send them to him for repair). Simpeds will also work stand alone if you buy this other 'dohicky' to plug into the joystick connector of the Simpeds called "Virtual Stick". I simulates a joystick plugged into it for calibration purposes. I have both and have used both. If the Simpeds had the Toe Brake upgrade I've seen talked about I'd be using them instead of the USB Pro Pedals. Also as long as you are using a game that supports multiple controllers the Simpeds will work with USB just fine using the Virtual Stick plug-in, or by simply plugging in an old joystick to them for calibration purposes and only using the axis' you need to.
ts
[This message has been edited by tshred (edited 12-31-2000).]
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I have a Logictech Wingman Force USB or Gameport compatiable stick (I use USB) the most recent drivers make it compatible with game port rudders (I have Thrustmaster Elite Rudders.)
Its a bit of a pricey setup, but I have no complaints about my logitech stick.
http://www.logitech.com/cf/products/joysticks.cfm?31,33 (http://www.logitech.com/cf/products/joysticks.cfm?31,33)
Guess they don't make the straight up Force anymore.
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You dont need a "dohickey" for operating the Simpeds alone..all you need is the R_only or Rudder_only driver from www.stickworks.com. (http://www.stickworks.com.)
You can also get an adapter (dohickey) for the various M$ sticks.
I'm currently using the Saitek X36 USB combo with the Simpeds and it's about as good as it gets (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Springs are not as soft as CH, but they wont break your arms like the F-22 and you pay about $90-100 for a stick/throttle combo.
Daff
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"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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saw a x36 usb on saitek sight refurbished for 39 bucks !!!
have been using it for over a year now not one problem have had numerous ms sticks , they are crap pure crap i sell them for a liveing they all come back if they are used much.save the time and get the saitec then buy what ever 200 stick you want for braggin rights
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I have got this Christmas a Logitec Force Feedback Wingman Strike Force 3D USB to replace my old CH 16 Combat Stick.
And the Wingman sucks!!!.
I can't flight smooth and aiming is a nightmare, if pluged to ac the springs are to tight if un-pluged is loooose like the dick of a death and the planes departs at any move.
I have tuned all, the springs, the AH sets, all.
Good to play Soldier of Fortune or things like that. Terrible for flying.
I'll be back to my venerable CH.
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I use a Saitek X36 USB, its renewed my faith in Saitek as a serious stick manufacturer. The programming interface is better than anything Thrustmaster or CH have ever come up with, including the Fox Two program.
I've used TM stuff for 4 years and CH for another 3 and owned a FCS,PFCS,WCSII,F16FLCS and TQS in the TM range and a CH Force FX and Pro Throttle all conencted through TM rudder pedals and I have to say that the Saitek just plain beats the CH setup hands down and the Saitek X36 easily matches the programmability and construction of my old F16 FLCS/TQS setup.
I bought my Saitek X36 as a stop gap USB solution until Thrustmaster release their HOTAS 2000 setup but since getting the Saitek stick I'll not be in such a rush to go out and buy the HOTAS 2000.
The hand operated rudder rocker on the throttle does take getting used to but you can get drivers that allow you to use analogue pedals with the X36 USB and games see the whole setup as one joystick.
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Torque a webble may wabble but it don't fall down. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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CH FighterStick, and put "O" rings inside to give more resistance on the throw.
-Westy
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I love my CH gear. Love it.
You can order it from the ch website.
Dago
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Another thing, The M$ Sidewinder PP Forcefeedback stick has a setting where you can change how tight the "springs" are (it's really just a little motor). It helps a lot with my flying so that when I play different games I can adjust how smoothly the joystick moves.
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I am a satisfied user of CH Combat stick, Pro pedals, and pro throttle. Been good to me. Except for speed keys (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Revvin:
I use a Saitek X36 USB, its renewed my faith in Saitek as a serious stick manufacturer.
That being the case, perhaps they're worth another look. I loved the ease of programming, and the style was excellent. The first one I bought, though, broke within the first month. I wrote them, told them I had identified the errant part and did not wish to waste postage on returning it. They sent me the new part at no cost, which is the way CH used to do it. But, then I broke the joystick and on occasion the keyboard would stop working.
If all of that has been fixed, and the stick will last, I'll buy one. I always thought they had the best approach.
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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I run with a (cough, cough) Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback Pro. As much as I hate Microsoft, this stick is a good one. I think I have only calibrated it the day I installed it and never again since. It's always been rock steady and the digital inputs are great. No springs since it is a force feedback stick and the amount of force is controllable in the stick setup. I just has a good feel to it and the heavy base keeps it solid on my desk when flying.
It does have a bit of a deadband issue right at the center but once you get used to it, it's a piece of cake. And on FF-enabled sims it's a blast.
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CH, CH, CH!
And they will give you free pot
Been using a CH FFX and Pro throttle/peds for 3 years now...still haven't broken the stick...even with my ham handed flying!
Lar
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I broke 3 joysticks within 8 months the MS sidewinder ffb is still working, almost a year now.
No pots it's optical
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I have a MS Sidewinder 3D Pro which works very well and has held up to considerable use over several years. I never get spikes and rarely have to recalibrate.
However, I hate the twisty stick so I must use the MS in analog mode so I can add CH Pedals. That means I lose the 8 way hat (drops to 4 way) and the extra 4 buttons. So my sub-question is: are there USB versions of pedals out there that would work with the MS Sidewinder 3D Pro? (Yes I know about those German ones mentioned in this thread, but $180 for pedals is a tad much for me.)
715
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Originally posted by edan:
I have got this Christmas a Logitec Force Feedback Wingman Strike Force 3D USB to replace my old CH 16 Combat Stick.
And the Wingman sucks!!!.
I can't flight smooth and aiming is a nightmare, if pluged to ac the springs are to tight if un-pluged is loooose like the dick of a death and the planes departs at any move.
I have tuned all, the springs, the AH sets, all.
Good to play Soldier of Fortune or things like that. Terrible for flying.
I'll be back to my venerable CH.
Edan, I had the same problem at first. I solved it by turning the sensitivity to minimum with the Logitech wingman software. Much better now. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But I also like the feel of my old CH better. I'm still waiting for the spare parts to arrive... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Camo
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I used to buy a joystick a month until I bought a full CH setup, 3 years later it has outlived 5 different systems. You get what you pay for with CH.
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I really miss my old F-22 and TQS setup. Hard to find a decent stick with 2 hats anymore... much less 3.
I had to go with a Microsoft Sidewinder 3d Pro when I went to NT 4.0 back in 96. At the time, it was the only way you could get full throttle and rudder support under NT due to an error in the generic analog joystick driver. MS has since fixed the driver though (I think tech support was amazed I blew a $90 service call to take a bad joystick driver issue all the way to top level engineering... it got results though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)).
When I got a new computer with win98 installed, I could not use the gameport joystick with it. Win98 simply would not recognize it. I purchased a Logitech Wingman 3d Pro. This is perhaps the ugliest stick I've ever bought.. but I liked the button setup up top... made for decent trim options. It only lasted 3 months before spiking started.
I then bought a Microsoft Precision Pro joystick with USB support. Its a decent stick with two extra buttons on the top of the stick (relocated from side as on MS SW 3d pro). It works great on my Win98 machine. Unfortunately, it won't work with AH on my Win2k machine due to a bug in AH that won't recognize a USB js in Win2k. Simple solution.. Sidewinder 3d Pro on Win2k box... Precesion Pro USB on Win98 box.
I haven't owned any CH products since I've always been too much of a TM fan (they were a local company after all), so I can't really comment on their stuff. But I can say the MS products are a good generic catch all. I really wish Guillemont still made the F22 and TQS (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I really miss my old F-22 and TQS setup. Hard to find a decent stick with 2 hats anymore... much less 3.
I haven't owned any CH products since I've always been too much of a TM fan (they were a local company after all), so I can't really comment on their stuff. But I can say the MS products are a good generic catch all. I really wish Guillemont still made the F22 and TQS (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
AKDejaVu
Tell me about it!!!!!!!! what a bad move by those French Canadians.
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I wish TM still made the simple PFCS stick that had real springs in it so that I had to velcro it down to the desk. I broke hats on it every couple months, I broke a couple of sticks right in half (plastic crapola) and now the pots are wore out on every one of em but if they still sold em I would still be paying $100 every couple of months or so for a new one.
The Ch stick I have now is hopeless.... I am either red out or black out or using up E to the tune of the stall horn.... Even two fingered is way too much strength for this effeminate job. Is it set up that way for small children? By opening up the wussy thing I don't see where there is any room on the spring posts to add "O rings" looks to me like they painted themselves into a corner design wise on the spring part. And what's with no button that will change stick sets on the stick while in a view???
lazs
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My MS Sidewinder Precision Pro works great. I did have some logitech POS but, my birds ripped off the POV hat, and the rubber buttons =(