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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: llbm_MOL on December 31, 2000, 12:14:00 AM
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Whats up with the CV and why cant you land on it without blowing up? Its the same with Belly landing. These are the two things in AH that IMO keep it from being a perfect SIM. You cant belly land or land A Seafire on the CV. Its WAY to damn touchy on the damage code IMO. Its gotta be a damn bug. I had two DAMN good sorties in my Seafire only to die from hitting the runway to hard I guess. I was at stall speed full flaps and hook down. All I hear is a little chirp as the wheels hit then im in the tower wondering what in the hell happened. This aint right cuase I would have made that landing on a regular field. was only doing around 110-120 MPH. With the cv moveing around 30 mph that would put me at around 80-90 mph at the touchdown. Ya cant tell me this is to fast or hard. Itsa a BUG! Or the landing code is Porked(which from my experience in belly landing it is). Im tired going to bed. Hope HT or Pyro reads this and let us know if its a bug or to touchy landing damage code.
LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hmm i've landed on the CV every attempt I made where I actually came in contact with the CV. LOL had a glider landing attempt i missed the CV completely.
Belly landings, are fine so long as you are going slow enough, you can do them on water as well.
Not tried the seafire yet, all my landings were in dhog, tbm, and f6
bellied in 109, f6, dhog(water), jug, that i remember..
AKskurj
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120 mph is way too fast to be landing on a carrier.
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I've belly landed a few times, but you have to be really gentle. If the nose goes down too fast, the game scores that as augering in.
I think I've bellied in more Lancasters than I care to confess to (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Those bad ole bishops seem to always nail my landing gear!
Paul
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I agree with llbm that the CV landings are not right.
I landed a damaged TBM and caught a wire. But the landing bounce and I struck the prop. I died instantly because of it.
There is nothing wrong with the landing. There is a problem with getting any damage from the landing turning into a fatality.
Hans.
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prop strike at any speed shouldn't be fatal... after all thats how gabby became a pow (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I died _after_ coming to a stop, bouncing back on the oleos (sp?) thinking wtf ?
(this was offline)
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If you want to live when you land on the CV, DO NOT use the tail hook. I can set the Hellcat down with just the wheels every time, but if I put the hook out I just explode instantly.
I'm sure there is a bug here someplace, and I'm sure HT will get it sorted out. Until then I don't reccomend using the tail hook with the exception of the TBM.
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
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"A pig is a jolly companion, Boar, sow, barrow, or gilt --
A pig is a pal, who'll boost your morale, Though mountains may topple and tilt.
When they've blackballed, bamboozled, and burned you, When they've turned on you, Tory and Whig,
Though you may be thrown over by Tabby and Rover, You'll never go wrong with a pig, a pig,
You'll never go wrong with a pig!" -- Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"
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I agree with Lept, the only CV landings I have survived have been without the hook.
I even landed a Spit 9 very well on a deck, stopped, was refueled, and took off again.
Dago
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I have only tried landing on the CV with hook down, and never crashed..
AKskurj
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I tried some carrier landings offline in the last few days, especially with the Seafire.
Firstly, as soon as I have lined up with the carrier, I press the page up keys to have a better view on the deck of the carrier. I haven't had a closer look at my speeds yet when I land, so I can't say with which speed I am exactly approaching the deck. After some attempts I finally made it to land the Seafire without crashing, but the remarkable thing was, I never caught the wires, I always overflew 'em, touched down and pressed the brake keys.
I've did this several times, not concentrating on the wires, but just on the deck of carrier, and except of two landings where I really caught the wires without crashing, i never had problems with landing the Seafire anymore (except when I crashed in the stern of the cv).
It seems like that the Seafire has pretty good brakes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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After reading this it tells me that we have a little of both. A bug of some sorts when you use the tailhook on certian planes, and a damage model thats to damn touchy for rough landings. Its up to HTC to figure it out from here.
LLB OUT!!!!!!!!
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The bug here seems to be any damage coming from a hard landing being scored as fatal. in the Readme for patch 1 HTC declared it solved but i think the bug is still alive.
You are talking about horizontal speed but it is vertical speed what matters (can`t tell you the correct values right now, but iŽd say below 1000 fpm is a good start point.
Flecha
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I've successfully landed the cosair, TBM, and the Hellcat on the CV. What seems to work for me is FULL flaps, hook down, airspeed 110-140, and a vvi 500 or less on touch down. The critical part being the vvi. Airspeed seems not to be as critical as I expected. Good Luck (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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ezdoc
56th Fighter Group
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All,
I do not think there is a bug with landing on the cv for any plane other than the seafire. I have, with minimal time invested, made multiple landings in the F6, F4 and TBM. This was using the same plane without going to the tower. In the case of the F6 I made 10 consecutive landings in the same plane before trying the TBM.
The trick is simple. Slow speed (100-110), full flaps and gentle shallow approach. I cut the throttle fully AFTER I have passed the rear edge of the deck. The height above the deck must be minimal and you must be pulling back on the stick to keep the nose up and flare! I do set the view up as far as I can in the last seconds before touchdown to maintain a view of the deck for height determination. I also use the hook every time. I can honestly state that I have never died due to hook use. Flaring too high or hitting the rear of the CV yes, but not because of the hook.
Now the disclaimer. This does NOT work for the seafire. I fully agree that the seafire's gear is set too fragile to withstand landing on the CV. No matter how slow I got and how shallow the approach I couldn't maintain view of the deck and it blew up EVERY time. I would ask that HT review the seafire and reset the gear damage settings. I also ask they set up the seafire so you can open the canopy in flight and be able to sit up higher or look around that damn long nose of the plane so you can see the deck. There is insufficient nose down pitch change with the flaps to see the deck on approach much less close to touchdown.
Let me also state I think the addition of the naval ops is a big step forward in AH. First time I felt there was a reason to play in the MA in over 2 months.
Salute!! HTC
Mav
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Punt!
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Here's how I do it.
Get to about 2-2.1K feet, and about 2 miles from the deck...full flaps gear hook. After turn on final, put your gunsight pipper right on the back edge of the deck and keep it there. Use throttle to keep speed below 150. Kepp the pipper on the back edge and don't move it. When the cv flills about 1/2 of your windscreen, put your pipper on the front of the CV. When you msee the wires, flare a little. When you cross the deck, chop throttle and set it down. Works every time.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Lt. Col. Aaron "txace-" Giles of the 457th BG
"Fait Accompli"
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If i touch the cv with the hellcat with the hook down no matter how perfect the landing or how slow im going i explode.
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Originally posted by scout:
I died _after_ coming to a stop, bouncing back on the oleos (sp?) thinking wtf ?
(this was offline)
This was with a hookless plane.
<sidenote>
Landed a fw190a8 on first attempt, did same with other hookless planes.
Either brakes on CV are real effective or this CV is bigger than WarBirds.
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With or without hook, landing on CV is very touchy.
Interestingly (I think so anyway), the same trend is true for WarBirds (to a lesser extent), hard landings on CV (WB) kills you when the same touchdown on land wouldn't have. Or so is my perception.
There are other similarities in code behaviour, like sliding off the ship.
Wish HT gets it right eventually.
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Originally posted by Lephturn:
If you want to live when you land on the CV, DO NOT use the tail hook. I can set the Hellcat down with just the wheels every time, but if I put the hook out I just explode instantly.
Not sure about this I have been able to land all CV based Aircraft without a problem (as long as some bellybutton is not turning the CV in circles)
What I do is as follows:
1. Full Flaps
2. Hook Down
3. Gear Down
4. Sink rate 250-500 Max
5. 3 point touch 100-110 KTS Max
Tips on the F6F:
On approach move head all the way up to look over the nose.
On the F4U:
Pray & a lot of practice
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[This message has been edited by Heater (edited 01-01-2001).]
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You guys are right, I just sucke. <G>
I tried again and this time was able to stick the landing with the Kitty 5 out of 6 tries in the TA.
I like it... it takes some skill.
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
"A pig is a jolly companion, Boar, sow, barrow, or gilt --
A pig is a pal, who'll boost your morale, Though mountains may topple and tilt.
When they've blackballed, bamboozled, and burned you, When they've turned on you, Tory and Whig,
Though you may be thrown over by Tabby and Rover, You'll never go wrong with a pig, a pig,
You'll never go wrong with a pig!" -- Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"
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The discussion isn't about HOW to land, but a bug about being killed by minor damage to your plane during a hard landing.
I do know how to land 99% of the time.
However, if you do anything that causes damage to your plane when landing, from a hard landing colapsing a landing gear strut, or hitting the prop on the deck, you DIE! This is DEFINETLY a bug.
One patch's readme file said it was fixed, but it is in fact NOT fixed.
Can any of you belly-land a plane with the gear up on a carrier and live?
Hans.
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Originally posted by funked:
120 mph is way too fast to be landing on a carrier.
In some offline (which I know will be a little different than online, since it appears from the lag that the host is vaporising me on landing) testing I did the speed didn't seem to be too important. Doing 'bump and go' approaches to the carrier in a Seafire 120+ mph was no problem. What was an issue was the rate of descent, it needs to be /very/ low. Because of this I find it easier to come in a bit 'hot' as the old 'stall just above the deck' technique puts you down too hard.
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Graywolfe <tim@flibble.org>