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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Aakkenau on May 13, 2004, 08:35:05 AM
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http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/news/21194.php
hopefully their new manufacturers will make nonfragmentating bullets for assaultrifles...
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The Army should tell its troops to start using Iraqi Defense Force weapons. "never been fired, only been droped once" :aok
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oh oh oh I hope they dont use dreaded semi-automatic assualt rifles.
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LOL
Pima County Police reports I used to live all the way down Ina in Picture Rocks
6 - A man reported that he was assaulted at a stoplight at North Oracle and West Ina roads at 3:27 p.m. April 26. He told deputies a man who was also stopped at the light got out of his truck, walked up to his car and slapped him on the head before he could roll up his window. :rofl
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Gunslinger, that seems to be what someone are doing. This was already on news six months ago but anyway...
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=616
"Some soldiers also say it's easier to get ammo for the AK they can pick it up on any raid or from any confiscated weapon.
''It's plentiful,'' said Sgt. Eric Harmon, a tanker who has a full 75-round drum, five 30-round magazines, plus 200-300 rounds in boxes for his AK. He has about 120 rounds for his M16."
Why bother bringing their own ammo over seas when they can borrow them from every house in Iraq :D
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Bad idea to start using enemy weapons...any soldier OTG in Iraq should be able to tell the diff between AK and M-16...would you want to "sound" like an Iraqi firing a weapon right now? I wouldn't
my 2 cents...
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Bad idea to start using enemy weapons...any soldier OTG in Iraq should be able to tell the diff between AK and M-16...would you want to "sound" like an Iraqi firing a weapon right now? I wouldn't
my 2 cents...
Not to mention without a thourough inspection you cannot tell the condition of the weapon itself. That next shot you take may blow up in your face.
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In Vietnam some US soldiers used the AK47. Not unheard of.
dago
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that's true though but they have confiscated numerious rifles in Iraq that should never be fired in their current condiditon. Not to mention I think its against current regulations. Not that those allways get followed in the field
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It is NOT against regulations to use captured enemy equipment, it is common practice the world over. With the exception of ensuring every battle rifle they confiscate is safe, and the ammo (we had a penchant for loading VC ammo with plastique so it would explode when fired) is safe too, it may make sense to allow men and women in field a choice, BUT, gunslinger did point out that the AK is VERY distinctive in sound, as is the 16. Those sounds make a lot of difference when heard in combat. Lastly, the 16 fires farther (not a big deal in street fighting), is more accurate, and is less prone to barrel degradation in prolonged firing.
Make more damn ammo.
Ohh, and the most common weapon being picked up over there is the AK-74 NOT the 47.
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I dont think the US Military is running out of bullets so to speak. lol. Its current demand it seems cannot be met by its current supplier.
So as we did in WW2, we are farming work out to other companies.
This is really nothing to be concerned about. During WW2 there were probably 12 companies (I should really know the exact # but its still early here) making 1911 govn't 45's building them on government contracts. And that was just for one pistol.
I dont think this is anything to be concerned about. I think its good for business really.
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i knew i should bought shares in the ammo industry, but i went for oil and shipping. i have made a nice little profit, but i think ammo would have been better. oh well.... ill keep it in mind for the next war :)
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Originally posted by Bodhi
It is NOT against regulations to use captured enemy equipment, it is common practice the world over. With the exception of ensuring every battle rifle they confiscate is safe, and the ammo (we had a penchant for loading VC ammo with plastique so it would explode when fired) is safe too, it may make sense to allow men and women in field a choice, BUT, gunslinger did point out that the AK is VERY distinctive in sound, as is the 16. Those sounds make a lot of difference when heard in combat. Lastly, the 16 fires farther (not a big deal in street fighting), is more accurate, and is less prone to barrel degradation in prolonged firing.
Make more damn ammo.
Ohh, and the most common weapon being picked up over there is the AK-74 NOT the 47.
Bodhi I'm pretty sure you are wrong. I dont have time to do research but I'm almost posative there is standing orders against using NON-US weapons...at least on a regular basis. I you have to pick on up in a pinch sure. But, I don't think the Army lets its soldiers use AKs as a "standard" weapon.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
It is NOT against regulations to use captured enemy equipment, it is common practice the world over. With the exception of ensuring every battle rifle they confiscate is safe, and the ammo (we had a penchant for loading VC ammo with plastique so it would explode when fired) is safe too, it may make sense to allow men and women in field a choice, BUT, gunslinger did point out that the AK is VERY distinctive in sound, as is the 16. Those sounds make a lot of difference when heard in combat. Lastly, the 16 fires farther (not a big deal in street fighting), is more accurate, and is less prone to barrel degradation in prolonged firing.
Make more damn ammo.
Ohh, and the most common weapon being picked up over there is the AK-74 NOT the 47.
Having fired both, and owning an AK-74 as well as firing the 16, I would prefer to the 74 in urban fighting. Rarely jams, and it sounds oh so cool. Plus you get a kick bellybutton head dress when you pick one up over there. :aok
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Bodhi I'm pretty sure you are wrong. I dont have time to do research but I'm almost posative there is standing orders against using NON-US weapons...at least on a regular basis. I you have to pick on up in a pinch sure. But, I don't think the Army lets its soldiers use AKs as a "standard" weapon.
I would like to see what you find, but I remember a specific training unit as late as last year carrying assorted and "different" weapons and thats what they planned to take into the field with them when they got overseas.
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Originally posted by WHATTHEHELL
Having fired both, and owning an AK-74 as well as firing the 16, I would prefer to the 74 in urban fighting. Rarely jams, and it sounds oh so cool. Plus you get a kick bellybutton head dress when you pick one up over there. :aok
74 is a great weapon, but has problems with heat issues and accuracy, I own a 74 and a M4 carbine, both have their pluses, if I was crawling and wallowing in mud and had to survive off captured ammo, ak in a heart beat, other wise, it is the M4 all the way.
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I read that in the beginning one of the reasons for AK usage was that tank crews were ordered to do patrols by foot. Well normally tank crews have only 2xm16 in tank and pistols. They couldn't be given any extra m16 cause there weren't enough of 'em so they preferred AK over pistol :)
Then they figured that AK is really handy when it comes fighting in dirty conditions. It is REALLY easy weapon to clean (believe me... i have removed all removable parts and put them together behind my back laying on ground and it only tooks less than a minute with a little practise).
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Ohh, and the most common weapon being picked up over there is the AK-74 NOT the 47.
Didn't see a single -74. Plenty of the other.
:confused:
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I would also figure that the majority of the AK's being used over there are of the 7.62 variety, not the 5.45.
Plenty left over, more ammo than you can use, etc, etc, etc, althought what do I know, I aint there.
I own a 47... fantastic combat rifle. If you want to shoot apples at 300 yards, better to have an A2, but the Kalashnikov fires time and again.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Not to mention without a thourough inspection you cannot tell the condition of the weapon itself. That next shot you take may blow up in your face.
:rofl
Just ask Jayson Williams about that one...:aok
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Whatever a soldier does, he needs to sight in a weapon not normally his, whether it be from a friendly or enemy source.
Not going to do the soldier much good if he's going to keep missing what he's aiming at because his weapon wasn't zeroed in.
The little, but major details Hollywood overlooks in their movies.
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Originally posted by GScholz
The AK74/101/103/104 etc. has not been widely exported like the AK47/AKM, nor has it been made outside of the USSR/Russia in any significant numbers.
AK103 ... rather nice looking gun I'd say.
(http://www5d.biglobe.ne.jp/~longbow/images/ak103rightside.jpg)
(http://www5d.biglobe.ne.jp/~longbow/images/ak103fold.jpg)
The russians have a ton of weapons that are being made that are without a doubt very nice. Don't forget the 105 ;) The AN-94 I believe is the one that replaced the 74, she's a beaut as well.
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Yes but you got to love the ability to get off 2 rounds without feeling any recoil. And from what I have read it is more accurate then the M-16 A2. It is a far better gun then the 74 but to all dismay is not on the export market. YOu can buy barrels and all accesories to make your 74 into a 100 series and they are relatively cheap too. She's a beaut
Btw my 95 looks just like it, replaced the grip from the hole in the wall look :)
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wow flip up sights. That's rather interesting!
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Originally posted by GScholz
Yes I love the innovative features like the recoilless "double tap" ... but the gun doesn't LOOK right! ;)
Is that because of its muzzle brake alone, or does it have some other anti-recoil device (such as a buffer) installed?