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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Chairboy on May 14, 2004, 02:33:38 PM
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Interesting. The article suggests that the reason is a concern for human rights, suggesting that a catholic woman would be repressed in a marriage to someone who is Muslim.
http://news.findlaw.com/news/s/20040514/popemuslimsdc.html
Some interesting related points from the Bible:
"For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head;" 1 Corinthians 11:9, 10.
“…women should remain silent in churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission...” 1 Corinthians 14:34
“Wives submit to your husbands, as is fitting to the Lord.” Colossians 3:18
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Both religions believe in the old testament, so that's no big surprise. Nice to see the Catholic church doing their bit for peace.
The more intermarriage, the better I say.
btw...have you got a sister?
Ravs :)
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That is a misreading of Paul.
I dont have the time right now to argue this but if you would like to get more perspective on those passages I would be be glad to help you later.
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It's safer to stick with Choir Boys. :rofl
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Grun, are you sure? If you read this analysis of the admonition that women should not speak in church, it dissects the original greek and differentiates between laleo and lego, then shows that the intent of the phrase is that the apostle is forbidding women to speak at all in a church. The crisp definition of the text is that it is 'indecent'. (source: http://www.apuritansmind.com/Pastoral/WarfieldBBWomenSpeaking.htm)
Regarding submission to husbands, it is less objectionable, but the translation clearly suggests that the wife should submit to the husband in deference to his assumed leadership, much as the man submits too the church. This also covers the first quote. (source: http://www.gotquestions.org/wives-submit.html)
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The last time I told my Catholic wife to submit, she told me to cook my own dinner. :(
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Calling woman "the least protected member of the Muslim family"
stolen from Westy
"In a heated reply the grand Mullah Iyatolloh Orockandrolla pointed out that young boys are the least protected member of the Catholic family..."
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stolen from Westy
"In a heated reply the grand Mullah Iyatolloh Orockandrolla pointed out that young boys are the least protected member of the Catholic family..." [/B]
That'd be the pot and the kettle discussing each other's hue.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Grun, are you sure? If you read this analysis of the admonition that women should not speak in church, it dissects the original greek and differentiates between laleo and lego, then shows that the intent of the phrase is that the apostle is forbidding women to speak at all in a church. The crisp definition of the text is that it is 'indecent'. (source: http://www.apuritansmind.com/Pastoral/WarfieldBBWomenSpeaking.htm)
Regarding submission to husbands, it is less objectionable, but the translation clearly suggests that the wife should submit to the husband in deference to his assumed leadership, much as the man submits too the church. This also covers the first quote. (source: http://www.gotquestions.org/wives-submit.html)
Yep, I'm sure.
Paul explicitly says that women have the right to pray:
1 Coritntians 11:4
Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered brings shame upon his head.
1 Coritntians 11:5
But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head.
Note the identical construction, these passages deal with how one should DRESS in church. He clearly says that both men and women have the right to pray.
Next:
"For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head;" 1 Corinthians 11:9, 10"
The sign of aurthority is a womans sign of her own authority, not of submission. Her veil, her covering is a sign of her long hair. And we see in 1 Corinthians 11:15 that her long hair was given to her by god.
Then of course we have:
1 Corinthians 11: 11, 12
Woman is not indepoendant of man or man of woman in the Lord. For just as woman came from man, so 0man is born from woman, but all things are from God.
So no, Paul does not think women are inferiour.
As for 1 Cor 14: 34, 35
Paul is likely quoting his opponents, male conservative jewish christians, in the corintian church. He is quoting their statemts and then counbering with his arguments.
Go to your bible and check:
1 Cor 14: 36
"Did the word of God go forth from you? Or has it come to you alone."
Thats his response to their statement of prohibiting women to speak.
So no he isnt so against women speaking or praying or teaching in the church.
As for Timothy and the other Pastorals... These were most likely written after Paul's death and reflect changes in doctorine, not Paul's own apopstolic writings and tachings..
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yep, I'm sure.
Paul explicitly says that women have the right to pray:
1 Coritntians 11:4
Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered brings shame upon his head.
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Hmm doesnt the pope wear a cap?
:D