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Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on May 15, 2004, 04:46:51 PM
68 people on today - lots of micro freezes when you get near people, 2.4 gig machine radeon 9800 pro card lots of ram.
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: 214thCavalier on May 15, 2004, 05:05:12 PM
These freezes started with beta29.
Whether its just coinciding with mjore people playing the game i dunno.
But there is definitely some sort of connection issue currently to AH2.
I got in ok today but instead of the 3 second delay trying to get out, the counter today reached 9 seconds.

Connected ?
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: GScholz on May 15, 2004, 05:12:08 PM
Strange, I had no such problems.
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: maik on May 15, 2004, 05:38:10 PM
Same problems here.

running a Ati 9800pro.

greets
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: GScholz on May 15, 2004, 05:54:16 PM
Perhaps a compatibility problem with the ATI cards?
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: lada on May 15, 2004, 06:26:31 PM
i have some old Nvidia crap and not freezes but when i close fast to some "NEW" airplane i get lag for 1 sec or so, i think he may be loading some texture

OK Gforce 4MX w/ 128 Mb (not sure may be 64)
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: SELECTOR on May 15, 2004, 07:20:46 PM
micro warps here too..GF4 card..when you get close to others
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Eagler on May 15, 2004, 08:42:53 PM
same

ati 9800
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: warhound on May 15, 2004, 10:20:58 PM
same problem here.

GeForce 3 ti 200 64mb
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Roscoroo on May 15, 2004, 11:00:44 PM
Yes With more players and bigger furballs the Freezes came back on bolth of my pc's

I notice the freezes ussually at merge just as guns fire .. or as im getting on someones 6 (chasing the hell outta them) and im doing that head spinning Situation Awarness scan Ive got .

1.3 ghz Amd
gf2 mx 400  56.64 drivers ,dx 9.0b,
512, 133 sdram
win 98se w/ sp 1.5 , 750 kbps dsl   no firewall , AV scan turned off

Asus a7n8x del
Amd 2500+  @ 2.2 ghz
512 x 2  3200 ddr
TI4600  56.64 drivers ,dx 9.0b
Win 98 se / sp 1.5
Behind a hardware firewall /routor on a T-1 connect
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Rolex on May 16, 2004, 01:25:32 AM
Same freezes here even with just one other aircraft. ATI 8500
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Xjazz on May 16, 2004, 01:32:13 AM
same problem here.

Athlon XP 1.8 (1.5 MHz)
512M RAM
GeForce 4 ti 4200 64mb

I also get text-buffer related lag.
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Saintaw on May 16, 2004, 02:58:13 AM
I have micro freezes when I type, enlarge the cht buffer or use vox.

Of course, I'm on a C64, or close... Cleleron 1.7 w/ Gforce3 :)
(Apart from those micro freezes AHII runs smoother on my comp than AH I ... then again, the map seems to have far less detail/clutter than the user made maps in the MA)

DxDiag (http://www.onpoi.net/ah/DxDiag.rar)
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Flossy on May 16, 2004, 06:12:12 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Saintaw
then again, the map seems to have far less detail/clutter than the user made maps in the MA)
Right-click on the map to select and turn on/off the rest of the 'clutter' as needed.  :)
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Saintaw on May 16, 2004, 06:44:08 AM
I'm not talking about *that* clutter Flossy :)

I'm talking about maps that have a lot of extra buildings in them (mostly CT maps). Not complaining... I know I need to upgrade, it will be done in August :)
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: lada on May 16, 2004, 06:48:24 AM
last week were Saw complaining that AH1 is pretty laggy on his Z-80

:rolleyes:
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Flossy on May 16, 2004, 08:18:51 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Saintaw
I'm not talking about *that* clutter Flossy :)

I'm talking about maps that have a lot of extra buildings in them (mostly CT maps). Not complaining... I know I need to upgrade, it will be done in August :)
Ah, see what you mean now that you've edited it!  ;)
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Flossy on May 16, 2004, 08:19:23 AM
Quote
Originally posted by lada
last week were Saw complaining that AH1 is pretty laggy on his Z-80

:rolleyes:
:rofl
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: TDeacon on May 16, 2004, 08:51:30 AM
I have been seeing micro-freezes when running the Beta 30 (and earlier) of AH2 offline.  My system is fairly capable:

Dell Dimension 8300
Pentium 4 3GHz
256MB DDR ATI Radeon 9800 XT
512 MB RAM
Windows XP
DirectX 9.0b
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Joc on May 16, 2004, 09:38:09 AM
Same probs here,I got a gig of ram 2.2P4 Intel with a Creative 128Mb FX5200 Ultra card,other than the micro freezes I get good Fps,no other real problems.
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: nopoop on May 16, 2004, 12:58:08 PM
When I CAN get on ( see another thread ) it runs as smooth as glass. The preload of planes that was added a release or two ago took care of freezes I was having.

I have graphic details set to max except for ground detail that's backed off to about 2 miles. Running an average of 84fps out flying regardless of traffic, clutter, etc.

Epox INTEL865 EP-4PDA2+
800 FBS Hypertheading
INTEL P4/3.0GHz CPU
2 x 512MB PC 3200 Ram
Western Digital SATA 80gig hard drive
7200RPM 8MB buffer
Chaintech FX5900XT Nvidia card
DirectX 9.0B
Soundblaster 512
Misc DVD-RW, DVD, floppy
Antec Truepower 430watt power supply
XP Home

CH USB Fighter stick, Pro throttle, Pro pedals
AH2 Full slider graphics, all but ground detail (2 miles)
1024x768
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Pyro on May 16, 2004, 01:08:19 PM
The preload of planes only covers the basic plane textures.  That was done up front to alleviate a lot of the stutters that will happen when the texture cache is generated.  There are still other textures from the terrain and custom skins that can generate a stutter the first time you encounter them.  After that, you shouldn't have a problem.

Would the stutters seen here be consistent with coming across a new custom skin on another plane for the first time?
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Mathman on May 16, 2004, 01:33:18 PM
Pyro,

The stutters you refer to I have experienced and they lessen in frequency the more I play.

The problem that I get are some stutters when I type.  I don't remember noticing them in prior betas.

If needed, I can post my dxdiag.
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Orig on May 16, 2004, 02:35:45 PM
I also see framerate hiccoughs with typing.  I remember noticing back when I started doing H2H that typing really messes with the network status lines, host queue, etc, so maybe there's something goofy going on when typing in the text buffer.
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on May 16, 2004, 03:05:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Pyro
The preload of planes only covers the basic plane textures.  That was done up front to alleviate a lot of the stutters that will happen when the texture cache is generated.  There are still other textures from the terrain and custom skins that can generate a stutter the first time you encounter them.  After that, you shouldn't have a problem.

Would the stutters seen here be consistent with coming across a new custom skin on another plane for the first time?


Could be - yesterday was my first time online with a large group - some of whom had obviously downloaded the skins.

Today the micro freezes were far less frequent though I had fiddled with the settings somewhat.

Will we experience the freezes you describe each time we log on or only the first time we come in range of a new skin?
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Widewing on May 16, 2004, 04:05:11 PM
Same problem, albeit rather minor. Running ATI 9600XT with plenty of RAM.

Freeze ups last only a fraction of a second, does effect gunnery tho. Getting 60+ fps otherwise.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: zmeg on May 16, 2004, 04:16:04 PM
I've found a workaround for microfreezes, but you need at least 768M of ram to do it.
  Download Ramdisk XP and install it, create a 400M ramdrive and install AH2 in the ramdrive, textures will cache so fast you wont get a freezeup.
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Soulyss on May 16, 2004, 05:51:49 PM
I would say that the stutters for me are consistent when encountering a new plane, yes.  Today I experience quite a severe pause when I came across a formation of B17's.  THe longer you play the less they seem to appear so I would guess it comes from the initial meeting of a "new" plane type.
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Ecke-109- on May 16, 2004, 06:35:12 PM
I had them all the time today. For about 3 hours. If alone or in furball...no difference.

Ecke
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: FBM Matt on May 16, 2004, 07:28:32 PM
Same problem here.  Usually when I flew near another plane.

Someone said that the micro freezes don't affect gunnery--well, they did for me.  By the time it unfroze, the plane was out of my sights.  If that's what we have to put up with, screw custom skins.

I also experienced the typing lag--especially if I held backspace to get rid of a string of text.
Title: Re: Micro Freezes
Post by: Imoutfishing on May 16, 2004, 10:47:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
68 people on today - lots of micro freezes when you get near people, 2.4 gig machine radeon 9800 pro card lots of ram.


I was having the same problem for a day or two.  I did two things and one of them stopped the freezes.

I downloaded ATI's 4.5 driver for my 9800 xt
then I downloaded DirectX 9.0b

Now I will point out that this worked for me but I see alot of people do not have ATI cards.  

MGD
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Octavius on May 16, 2004, 11:14:40 PM
Same problem.  They are not consistent though - irregular 'intervals' of studdering.  The same plane is causing a studder regardless of hte skin being cached or not.

1.2ghz athlon
512ddr pc2700 ram
K7S5A motherboard
dx9.0b
cat 4.3s ?
Radeon 9600xt
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Mister Fork on May 16, 2004, 11:42:36 PM
ditto on micro freezes..

Athlon 1800+
ATI 9700 Pro
1.0Gb ram
XP SP1.
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: dracon on May 16, 2004, 11:45:14 PM
Yep, same here!  I too had not seen this until Beta 29.  My Specs:

1.8 GHz ABIT TH7-II MoBo, Intel 850 Chipset
512 M RDRAM 400 FSB
ATI Radeon 9600XT with Omega CAT 4.2 drivers
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card, TBSC-4193 drivers
3 Com NIC
Cable 1.5M/200kbs
CH HOTAS and Pedals all USB
XP Pro SP-1a
DX-9.0b
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Roscoroo on May 17, 2004, 12:51:17 AM
the stutters to me dont seam to always be terrain/plane/object cache related

Ive flown enough on firball isle that they should have stopped by now.

Im still getting them everynow and then . And yes they freeze the game up enough that the other plane is gone over 1k + of distance
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: wrag on May 17, 2004, 06:17:58 AM
Stutters/micro freezes here too......

ATI9800 pro 128

Happens when i get close.  Keep getting p51d skin arrivals too?!?!  Last one was number 5.

Noticed distance readout seem to jump in .5 increments on anything over 1k.
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: ChasR on May 17, 2004, 07:18:01 AM
Micro freezes here as well.  On two seperate occassions while flying a B17 over the ocean I was attacked from the rear by a single plane.  D1.5 freeze, D1000 freeze, D400 freeze.  Makes gunnery difficult.  Was getting 85fps at time of attack but didn't watch for changes.

Settings:
1280x1024x32bit
AA x 4
AF x 2
Maximum Quality
Maximum Detail
Maximum Distance
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: Zanth on May 17, 2004, 10:03:08 AM
Not getting any of this on my system anymore (did with first beta) - however I have been downloadings and playing beta's since the very first one so I supposed I have already cached everything.

For me the game is perfectly smooth.  Not a high end system by any means and no custom settings of any sort - not even custom gunsights.

1.333 Athlon Thuderbird (not OC'd anymore)
256 meg ram
geforce 2 64 meg video card running latest driver.
latest updates to otherstuff etc etc.
Win XP Pro  - patched up to date

P.S. (I also defrag weekly and sweep the system at least that often for anything odd (virus,spyware,etc,) that might be running in the background as part of normal housekeeping.)

P.P.S.  (ZoneAlarm Pro is running in background but no antivirus task running during game)
Title: Micro Freezes
Post by: dracon on May 17, 2004, 10:49:52 AM
Ok here's what I did that helped.  I took off from the SE corner and flew to the NW.  Just got up at 15K and walked away for 1 1/2 hours.  Came back, relogged, smooth as silk!

Haven't tried it today, yet.  Work.  Sure seemed to help last night.  There was 43 pilots on when I started this.  I had been on long enough to download all skins.  Seems I needed this extra time to smooth it out.  I will up date this as I fly tonight.

Regards,