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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: TrueKill on May 16, 2004, 07:28:08 AM
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I heard that when AH2 comes out that HiTech is going to shut down AH1 is this true. (I dont want everyones opinion on this I just want to know if its true) thanks
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Yes
One morning the servers will reset, ah1 will be fondly remembered history.
AH2 will be live.
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And it's going to be soon!!!
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Doesnt HiTech know hes ganna loose alot of players that dont have good enough computers to play AH2 and they arnt ganna go buy new softwear just to play it. Like me i just got my new computer 6 months ago and it can bearly handle AH2 when ever a con comes near me my FRs drop by like 20 and screen freezes up for a sec.
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HTC also knows that if they don't make new versions and make some use of new technology, they will also lose customers.
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This is such a myth!! I would say that if you can play AH 1 you will have NO problems playing AH2.
You have read too much of the Beta BS. My FPS is higher in AH2 than in 1. The only real problem I see is for Pilots with Dialups! Skin downloading In-Game will be slow. I don't read every post, but I'm betting there will be a place to D'ld skins not In-game. You can get them at night using "GetRight" or some other D'ld manager.
Hang in there
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I remember a flight sim called WarBirds 2.xx. I kept reading the same type post about the update WarbirdsIII. The same basic computer issues and then getting rid of WarBirds 2.xx. Well one day it happened, WBIII came out with compuer killing graphics and WB 2.xx was eliminated forcing old customers to cancel thier accounts. Over time the Historic Arena and other arenas were also canceled. At one time guys were paying $400 a month to play WBs 2.xx and now they pay $25 (?) a month. WBs 2.xx main arena always had about 300 peaple in it much like AH. The Histric Arena had about the same as AH's CT. I checked out a free week about two months ago and noticed only about 150 logged in to the only arena.
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This is such a myth!! I would say that if you can play AH 1 you will have NO problems playing AH2.You have read too much of the Beta BS. My FPS is higher in AH2 than in 1.
NO ITS NOT a myth ok it bearly plays for me and about 10 other ppl iv talked to. u have the same FPS as in AH1 but right when anouther plane come into view my FR starts to drop i dont know if thats still the game bugs or if its my puter but if their makin in where ppl that bout a new puter 6 months ago are havin problems playin it i think they went a little to far in the graphics.
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There is a way around this, but I doubt HT would be open to it...
Leave AH1 online, charge $24.95 a month and don't support it, update it or change anything and remove AH1 forums from this message system. If people want AH1, they have to pay for it and not expect support for it. A disclaimer when they sign up would take care of that. Charge $14.95 a month for AH2 making the price, support etc. the incentive to switch to it.
Keep in mind just how old AH1 is. It's base program was written how many years ago? How much have systems progressed since then? I think HT is doing a service by supporting the low minimum system specs for AH2. He could have made them MUCH higher since about the slowest NEW name brand prebuilt system you can buy today is a 2+Ghz celeron.
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The minimum requirements for AH2 can be met with fifty bucks and a garage sale.
Pony up guys.
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I get the same second freezes, but I think it is just I need to update the video drivers. If that dont work, then 128 meg DDR GeForce MX 4000 video card is only $80 at best buy, which is cheap for a quality video card.
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If you are so cheap you cant update your computer to something that sells for under 150 dollars. Just take a 10 month vacation from hitech and save your money. That is if you even pay to play and are not a h2h player.
If you want a relatively modern computer, put your old harddrive, floppy, and cdrom into this.
Sunday, May 16 2004 08:16:14 AM
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Trueskill, if your 6 month old PC can barely play AH 1 OR 2 there must be something seriously the matter with it. My PC will be 3 yrs old this nov. Ok I upgraded a few things, but I think it will play AH2 no prob.
Post your specs till we take a look. It can't be that bad!;)
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CurtissP-6EHawk,
Not sure where you got this info???? WBs II was never shutdown and still exsists today?? WBs III truly was/is a POS. I was there for 6+ years from WBs II 2.0 until WBs III 2.7, I think. I never saw 300 online save the S3 squadron series. Currently, I think they would be lucky to get 100 players in all the arenas. There are some "diehards" there that prefer to fly in Jello, use 3rd party Comms, No engine management and No head movement. WBs does have some pluses. The radar is MORE realistic, no in-flight radar, no goofy flashing fields. Find what you like and fly what you like it's your dime:)
Go Here: http://www.totalsims.com/?page=online
TrueKill,
What Ecliptik said!!
I still think many are worried for no reason. I just don't think HTC would be silly enough to eliminate the Masses!! Hitech and Pyro built WarBirds and built Aces High. If they can't do this, then no one can!
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yea u can get it for $50 if ur lucky and mabey its just cuz i got so many games installed on my computer: Sim City 4, Il-2 FB Gold Pack, Secret weapons over normandy,Janes attack Squaron, AH1,and AH2 not to mittion all the other programs thats on my puter (mostly MP3s and Music videos). guess when AH2 comes out im ganna have to clean out my puter off all the other game (sept IL-2) love that game to much:D
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A lot of times, a simple upgrade can reap huge rewards. A single stick of RAM, a newer video card (not necessarily the leading edge one either) can make all the difference. It may not stop the decrease in FPS, but instead of 20, it may only drop 10.
Also, check to see if you have other stuff that you don't need running in the background. I have cut many things that I don't need from the services and startup menus and I get pretty decent performance.
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If you have onboard video on your motherboard most likely it will not run AH2 or it wont run it acceptably. (I know... thats what I had till I added a video card to play AH2)
Most systems that are bought off the shelf (Walmart, Best Buy, Circuit City) have onboard (integrated) video hardware.
I added a GF4 64MB card and bumped my system RAM up to 512SDRAM and AH2 runs fine now.
The end of AH1 is near...Pyro has already posted on the announcments forum that AH2 release is close.
Download AH2 BETA from the announcements forum and check your system out.
Let's keep the teeth gnashing and hand wringing to a minimum when AH2 goes live and AH1 goes into the history books.
You HAVE been warned Muhahahahahah!
Oh yeah if anyone is interested in being able to play old AH1 films after AH2 comes out I suggest you download the current version of AH1 NOW and burn the setup file to CD.
Sun
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can anyone tell me what i should upgrade on my puter please keep it under $100 i dont wanna spend a bunch of money.here is what im runnin:
System:
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
Computer:
Intel(R)
Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
2.39GHz
256 MB of Ram
Dell Dimension 4600
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What kind of video card do you have? Also, are your problems in the latest version of the beta or from an earlier version? You will get some stutters the first few times you play when you encounter some new textures that haven't been cached yet, but that ony happens the first time and then you're good to go for that particular texture, whether it be a terrain texture or a new plane skin.
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RAM, 256 Megs more!!
We need to know what Video card you have in this Dell. I'm betting it's an "On Board" one. If that's the case you'll need a video card, ATI ot Nvidia.
Umm...I'm running a 1.7 GHz but I also have 512 RAM and an ATI Radeon 9600XT Vid Card with Omega's Cat 4.2 drivers.
Check out your video card!
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Hey TrueKill
You need to upgrade your video hardware from "integrated" graphics to an AGP video card. According to the dell site your motherboard has 3 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
Therefore you need to upgrade to an AGP video card.
Here is a link to the specs on your system:
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx?c=us&cs=19&id=dimen_4600&l=en&s=dhs&~tab=specstab#tabtop
Here are a few links for AGP video cards under $100.
1)Best Buy
GeForce FX 5200 128MB DDR AGP Graphics Card
Model: VCGFX52APB
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1051826238806&skuId=5431008&productCategoryId=cat01151&type=product
2)Walmart
Radeon 9200 128 MB APG
Model No. 100436010WM
Manufacturer ATI
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2569157&cat=4467&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A113963%3A4467
3)Circuit City
XFX GeForce4 MX440 64MB AGP Video Card
Brand/Model: XFX PVT18KQTCCS
http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.jsp?c=1&b=g&u=c&catoid=-10266&qp=0&oid=81887&m=0
4)Office Depot
ATI Radeon™ 9200 128MB AGP 8x/4x/2x Graphics Card
http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=495680&location_info=SG_3_DV_20_CT_2009_SK_495680
Hope this helps!
Good Luck
Sun
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where can i find out what kind a video card i have?
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Originally posted by TrueKill
where can i find out what kind a video card i have?
From the link that Sundowner posted:
Integrated Intel® Extreme Graphics 2
Optional: 128 MB GeForce® FX 5200 graphics card (8X AGP) with TV out
Optional: 128 MB DDR ATI® RADEONTM 9800 Pro graphics card with DVI and TV out
If you didn't specify one of the optional AGP cards then you're using the Intel device built into the motherboard. Luckily the mobo DOES have an AGP slot. Buy an new video card. ANY new video card would be better than the Integrated.
Yeah, and another 256MB stick o' RAM would help tons too. You'll be amazed at the results an additional $100 -$150 in hardware will get you.
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Why is everyone complaining about the system requirments for AH2? I was able to get it to run on a Intel Celeron 550 with 128 megs of ram and a Geforce 4 440. Of course with all the graphics sliders down but it does run fine. And the fps dosen't drop below 30. At first I had some screen freezes but that was just from new textures being cached as someone stated above. Only problem I have seen is this is an spare pc and it has 56k and its more warping going on than in AH. Glad I have dsl with my main pc. Guess the more textures and better graphics choke out 56k. This might be a good thing though;)
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I know this is not my business but.......
This is very reasonable that HTC will loose castomers when it will make AH2 mandatory - because of new requremnets of graphics.
However, HTC will also loose castomers if they will not upgrade graphics engine.
IMHO, the best would be if they will support 2 graphics engines. The update of most of game feachers do not require system update. However lots of players do not care of high res textures of other graphics feachers.
If both old and new graphics engines were supported that would solve both problems.
The way WB did with 2.77 version that had two engines.
I personally like current engine..........
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Jay clack bastiage i have almost the same system!
time to down load beta 30!
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Originally posted by TrueKill
where can i find out what kind a video card i have?
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Deacon replies:
From the link that Sundowner posted:
Integrated Intel® Extreme Graphics 2
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Lmao why do I waste my time?
Thx Deacon
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Originally posted by Mathman
A lot of times, a simple upgrade can reap huge rewards. A single stick of RAM, a newer video card (not necessarily the leading edge one either) can make all the difference. It may not stop the decrease in FPS, but instead of 20, it may only drop 10.
Had an old gigabyte mobo laying around with 512mb of sdram in it. Purchased this http://directron.com/350power.html , this http://directron.com/sc152.html , this http://directron.com/fd-14-mit.html , this http://directron.com/duron12.html (sold out now, but for a couple of more dollars you can get 1.6), through in old geforce2 64mb, an old 10mb HD and windows 98 and have a decent backup computer. That's 84 dollars. If your motherboard has an AGP socket and is expandable to 512mb of ram, you are all set.
You main cost will be you video card, you need one. This is one http://directron.com/xr98sec3l.html , but there are better deals from what I am told. If you research it, it isn't expensive to upgrade.
Oh, I bought a case too, http://directron.com/860busb.html
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JayClark posted:
"Guess the more textures and better graphics choke out 56k."
All the graphics and textures are stored on the front end on your computer...you connection type has no bearing on video or vise-versa.
Connection WILL however, effect plane positions that are relayed to your front end....warps and lags as the positions are updated non-optimally to your front end.
Sun
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It runs but can get past the start up screen. clipboard is flickering argg!
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What video card do you have? Also whats the exact specs of the system.
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ATI Radeon 7000 (PCI) i need to update drivers it says to ones that can use Z buffering.
Windows ME
Intel celeron 600 MHz
156MB RAM
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It should run it, you do need those drivers for z buffering. Does your card support T&L?
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T&L?
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That means Hardware Transform and Lighting. I looked at the specs for the card and didn't see anything about it. I don't know much about your card thats why I ask.
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rgr that it runs it but it flickers because of zbuffer letme try again.
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the only thing i want to know is when ah2 is coming out cause i prepay and i will stop paying until i get a new pc.
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Remember the power supply if your updating an older computer. Lack of power can kill your performance. With a fairly typical 1GHz+ system, newer AGP card etc., the old standard 250w will not be enough and the later 300w may not either.
Here's just one site that gives a guide to calculating the power requirement. Not everything will be running at full demand at the same time of course but its best to be safe and a 400/420w psu doesn't cost that much.
http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/
I also read somewhere that XP eats memory. That may be wrong but for IL2-FB the BBS are saying that 512Mb isn't really enough. Don't know about AH2.
The minimum spec for AH2 isn't too high because you can reduce the graphics detail. Something like P800/Geforce2. It's given somewhere on the BBS.
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Yeah I have expericed upgrading then have problems because of the power supply. A lot of people look over the power supply. I glad you pointed it out that the minimum spec for AH2 isn't all that high once you change the settings.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
where can i find out what kind a video card i have?
From Start menu, click on Run, then type dxdiag in the box and click OK. This will bring up DirectX Diagnostic Tool. Click on the Display tab and your graphics card is shown under Device at the top left. :)
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Wow, I am surprised how many people have not even tried to see if ah2 will run on their computer before they throw their arms up and threaten to quit.
If it is true that this game is entirely full of luddites and pinchpennies, maybe HTC should just do a suprise upgrade to the server, and let a little 'selection' occur in the player base. Those that cant hack it can go back to digging through trash cans looking for aluminum cans, and playing solitaire on windows 3.1. I am sure it will only take a month or two to find people with a computer from this century willing to replace them.