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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lada on May 17, 2004, 08:43:37 AM
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Someone simply know how to make a friends and someone simply know, how to make enermies
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3718229.stm
Ok coz this is not nothing new, i have one question.
At whitch point would you consider ethical to ban trade with Israel?
In my persona opinion its right time to do it, we maybe see more that old blah blah blah BS.
Like pause for 3 months, just a little warning.
Do you think it could make thinks to shift somewhere ?
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If the Palestinians stop strapping bombs to themselves and their children maybe the US would consider it. But then Israel wouldn't have to go and knock down house if they did so.
It's a circular thing.
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yes it is, but we have no way (in my opinion) how to force politics in Palestine to do something about that.
But we have way, how to change steps of israel.
I thing we can agree on fact, that there is nobody w/o blame.
anyway i were reading some more news and found this....
"After the Israeli Supreme Court ruling that the army was allowed to destroy homes in self-defence, the army chief of staff spoke of plans to demolish "hundreds" more Palestinian homes. "
Viva Democracy....
So if Taliban`s Supreme court allow that Twins can be destroy as part of self defense, it should be quite ok shouldnt it ??
Some people still didnt get the fact, that there is no way to go w/o respect for each other.
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And why exactly do they strap bombs to themselves?
Like you said, It's a circular thing.
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Guys you didnt answer my question.
Saw you are doomed for that :D
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Israelis level homes because the Palestinians do the suicide bomber thing.
Palestinians set off bombs because the Israelis level homes.
round and round we go.
at some point (IF anything is ever gonna change), one of these groups is going to have to realize that they can't control everything but they can control their own behavior.
at some point they might even want to look at their standard reaction and ask themselves the question- "so, how's that working out for you?"
it's the only way things will ever change over there. which is to say, they aren't ever going to change.
all it takes is one Palestinian who isn't happy with whatever peace deal is on the table, he makes an attack on Israel, Israel makes an attack on Palestinians in general, they use it as justification to start more waves of attacks. it's never going to stop because you can have millions of people 'on-board' with a peace plan and one lone guy can trigger it all back to war in the blink of an eye.
I think it was Dennis Miller (it was a while ago, I could be wrong) who said- "millions of years from now, when the human race has imploded and has destroyed our planet to the point where it is inhabited only by single celled organisms. in the middle east, there will be Palestinian and Jewish organisms who devote most of their energy to killing each other."
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Originally posted by lada
yes it is, but we have no way (in my opinion) how to force politics in Palestine to do something about that.
Good thinking. Can't stop the terrorists so leave them alone. Stop the other guy first.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Good thinking. Can't stop the terrorists so leave them alone. Stop the other guy first.
So Israel is lill vicim w/o blame in that conflict ?
Palestine have nothing to lose from political point of view. Sancnions in Israel could force people to care more about current situation and future.
Im missing reactions of normal people of israel regarding conflict. I know there is some kind of censorship on this in Israel, but not sure if it affect goverment only or whole press.
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Palestinians set off bombs because the Israelis level homes.
No, they do it because they want to kill every Jew in the middle east. If they get their way, they'll start with Jews elsewhere in the world.
Thats why there will never be peace in that region.
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Lada Lada Lada, Ever since the creation of the modern Israeli state her neighbors have had the stated goal of totally anhilating her populace. It is clearly a conflict that was was started by the Arab countries from the first day. What would you do if you were an Israeli?
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Originally posted by storch
Lada Lada Lada, Ever since the creation of the modern Israeli state her neighbors have had the stated goal of totally anhilating her populace. It is clearly a conflict that was was started by the Arab countries from the first day. What would you do if you were an Israeli?
Move! someplace in the tropics im thinking...yeah with half nekkid hula girls and lots of alchol and satalite tv, intardnet, and hot chicks....oh did I say that twice?:D
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WilldCrd, ever been to Israel? I think it's the place on earth where the hot chick/square meter ratio is the highest on earth.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
WilldCrd, ever been to Israel? I think it's the place on earth where the hot chick/square meter ratio is the highest on earth.
I'd have to agree, Saint... I've been there, and have witnessed the amazing lifeforms the area breeds.
I was in Eilat with an old buddy of mine when I saw, from behind, this wavy-haired brunette, dressed in white shorts, a little tee-shirt and flip flops, like she'd just come in off the beach. We were at a fast food place at the time. To our great anticipation, she turns around... Cute as a button--except for the Uzi hanging across her chest.
And to Lada,
I don't know who you mean by normal 'people'... Normal people tend to understand two things:
1.) Israel is less interested in oppression than they are in survival
2.) By punishing Israel in order to force them to 'think' about what they're doing, you're in effect rewarding the suicide bombers. Not only that, but you're encouraging them to persist in their tactics whenever a future issue arises--have we been over this before?
If you think there's an easy way out of it, and sanctions against the Israelis is the first logical step, then I guess I've overestimated your intelligence yet again.
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Originally posted by storch
Lada Lada Lada, Ever since the creation of the modern Israeli state her neighbors have had the stated goal of totally anhilating her populace. It is clearly a conflict that was was started by the Arab countries from the first day. What would you do if you were an Israeli?
if i were from Israeli, i would go for this
http://news.google.com/news?q=Tel+aviv+demonstration&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=nn
anyway did you see it on TV or it were censured... i think 120.000 of people in the streets is quite nice demonstration
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Give Palistine its own state. That is the first thing they need to do, even if it means negotiating with arafat. Do you know how many moderate arabs would stop supporting the terrorists in iseral if Palistine was a state?
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The Palestinians WERE offered their own state in the past decade, with the best possible deal they could have reasonably have expected. Arafat turned it down, and walked away from the bargining table at the last minute.
Do you know how many moderate arabs would stop supporting the terrorists in iseral if Palistine was a state?
Do you actually believe that ? Do you actually think it would all just stop?
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huh huh... so were those news on your favourite TV ? :D
i smell censure somewhere around
edit.:
http://www.israelmilitary.com/imp/show_product.php?product_id=36276
http://www.israelmilitary.com/imp/show_product.php?product_id=36252
:rofl
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"Polls show 70% of Israelis back a pullout from Gaza"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3718329.stm
Maybe Bush got inspiration overthere :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Vermillion
The Palestinians WERE offered their own state in the past decade, with the best possible deal they could have reasonably have expected. Arafat turned it down, and walked away from the bargining table at the last minute.
Do you actually believe that ? Do you actually think it would all just stop?
Did i say all? No, I said they would lose alot of support from the moderate arabs.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Give Palistine its own state. That is the first thing they need to do, even if it means negotiating with arafat. Do you know how many moderate arabs would stop supporting the terrorists in iseral if Palistine was a state?
That has been tried, when Israel was formed the land of Palestine was divided in two. Half for the Israelis. ask Jordan and Syria where the Palestinian land went. I'm sure if they looked for it they would find it somewhere.
That line is a bunch of crap. The Arab states will settle for nothing less than genocide. They keep saying this repeatedly, why not take them at their word?
A moderate Arab? Really? Name one. That would indeed be a welcome sight. The minute moderation creeps into the Arab mind another Arab will drive it from him with a 7.62x39 to the head. Case in point the heroic and tragic statesman Anwar Sadat. Please spare me the rhetoric.
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Originally posted by storch
That has been tried, when Israel was formed the land of Palestine was divided in two. Half for the Israelis. ask Jordan and Syria where the Palestinian land went. I'm sure if they looked for it they would find it somewhere.
That line is a bunch of crap. The Arab states will settle for nothing less than genocide. They keep saying this repeatedly, why not take them at their word?
A moderate Arab? Really? Name one. That would indeed be a welcome sight. The minute moderation creeps into the Arab mind another Arab will drive it from him with a 7.62x39 to the head. Case in point the heroic and tragic statesman Anwar Sadat. Please spare me the rhetoric.
I have met moderate christians, I think there is hope for islam.
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If the Palestinians stop strapping bombs to themselves and their children maybe the US would consider it. But then Israel wouldn't have to go and knock down house if they did so.
I say embargo them both. They're both committing crimes against humanity on daily basis. The whole area is a shameful spot on the planet.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I say embargo them both. They're both committing crimes against humanity on daily basis. The whole area is a shameful spot on the planet.
yes i agree with this one
i were so happy when i found this (http://news.google.com/news?q=Tel+aviv+demonstration&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=nn) coz i were realy wondering whats israelish people opinion.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
WilldCrd, ever been to Israel? I think it's the place on earth where the hot chick/square meter ratio is the highest on earth.
well though i am intrigued by the prospect of a high hotchickybabe/ratio
The high risk of getting whacked in a very unplasent manner by some fanatiic whilst trying to show the lovely israeli women the high number of orgasms that are possible gives me pause
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So where was the Hamas "Retaliation strike" for killing their leader? Whatever happened to that threat? :confused:
Appears fighting fire with fire may indeed extinguish flames for the time being...
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*...must not stare at WilldCrd's avatard....* :eek: mhhhhh....chiiickennnn
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Originally posted by Saintaw
*...must not stare at WilldCrd's avatard....* :eek: mhhhhh....chiiickennnn
if i look at his avatar, i dont belive he likes hot chicks :D
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
I have met moderate christians, I think there is hope for islam.
Stabby I hope you are right. That would be great if it were true.
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Originally posted by Vermillion
The Palestinians WERE offered their own state in the past decade, with the best possible deal they could have reasonably have expected. Arafat turned it down, and walked away from the bargining table at the last minute.
Do you actually believe that ? Do you actually think it would all just stop?
the one without water ?
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Originally posted by AKWeav
No, they do it because they want to kill every Jew in the middle east. If they get their way, they'll start with Jews elsewhere in the world.
Thats why there will never be peace in that region.
Ignorance or Idiocy?? HHHHmmm let's see, when was the last time that an arab blew himself up in one of the many jewish neighborhoods around here? Oh wait, NEVER. They seem to get along just fine in NYC. Start at the Medit. coast and carpet bomb your way to the Jordanian border, I'm a bit tired of all these Israeli/Palistinean tards.
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Originally posted by straffo
the one without water ?
You know I always said if the Jews just cooperated with the Germans in WW2 and killed themselves there would never have been a Holocaust.
It is all their fault.
Damn them for defending themselves. Damn them for retaliating against groups sworn to eradicating them. Damn them for fighting back.
If everyone was just as smart as Straffo look how great the world would be.
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Originally posted by stiehl
Ignorance or Idiocy?? HHHHmmm let's see, when was the last time that an arab blew himself up in one of the many jewish neighborhoods around here? Oh wait, NEVER. They seem to get along just fine in NYC. Start at the Medit. coast and carpet bomb your way to the Jordanian border, I'm a bit tired of all these Israeli/Palistinean tards.
Maybe Arabs in the US are not fed a diet of hate from the day they are born.
No you are probably right. You argument makes so much sense now that I drank a liter of Jack Daniels and read it again.
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Originally posted by Habu
You know I always said if the Jews just cooperated with the Germans in WW2 and killed themselves there would never have been a Holocaust.
It is all their fault.
Damn them for defending themselves. Damn them for retaliating against groups sworn to eradicating them. Damn them for fighting back.
If everyone was just as smart as Straffo look how great the world would be.
stupid post + personnal attack , I guess you just back from vacation and are ready to be pissy ?
Plus you didn't answered my question.
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Originally posted by lada
if i look at his avatar, i dont belive he likes hot chicks :D
u do know who she is dont ya?
here's a lil hintola
(http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v125/wildcrd/aceshigh/angelinajolie2_215.gif)
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full pic of her
(http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v125/wildcrd/aceshigh/SkyCaptain2.jpg)
I got a hankerin to get a spankerin:D
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Aaargh....*faints*
Ain't she purty?
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Originally posted by straffo
stupid post + personnal attack , I guess you just back from vacation and are ready to be pissy ?
Plus you didn't answered my question.
They were offered a homeland that was bigger than what they would get today. And peace. The ability to finally put down roots and bulid a nation without fear of the future. And the ability to trade with the most powerful nation in the region and also the full support of the US and the EU in terms of aid and investment.
Arafat was not negotiating in good faith. He never wanted to end the fight as like Hamas he wants the state of Israel eradicated. There is no deal that will bring peace. Israel called his bluff gave him everything he wanted and he refused to make the deal.
You made the stupid post. Lack of water? What are they drinking now. Distilled sand?
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Originally posted by Habu
They were offered a homeland that was bigger than what they would get today. And peace. The ability to finally put down roots and bulid a nation without fear of the future. And the ability to trade with the most powerful nation in the region and also the full support of the US and the EU in terms of aid and investment.
Arafat was not negotiating in good faith. He never wanted to end the fight as like Hamas he wants the state of Israel eradicated. There is no deal that will bring peace. Israel called his bluff gave him everything he wanted and he refused to make the deal.
You made the stupid post. Lack of water? What are they drinking now. Distilled sand?
That assessment is spot on. aside what everyone ignores. The UN resolution gave them an amount of land equal to what was given the Israelis. The Jordanians and Syrians promptly took it over. The Palestinians warrant no consideration from the world. They made their bed and now they lie in it.
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Check who control water in this area.
After you will slowly (because I'm so stupid) explain me the difference between a poisoned gift and the generous offer refused by Arafat.
From your personnal stupid french , with love.
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Originally posted by straffo
Check who control water in this area.
After you will slowly (because I'm so stupid) explain me the difference between a poisoned gift and the generous offer refused by Arafat.
From your personnal stupid french , with love.
I really don't think you could understand no matter how slowly I tried to explain it.
You are like a guy who is offered a BMW M6 for 25,000 brand new and turns it down because it has a scratch on it. Then screams to everyone look at the shoddy car they tried to trick me into buying.
Sorry the scratch is real but insignificant relative to the rest of the deal. You will never understand because small people do not think that way.
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Why do I try discuss with a chlimazel ?
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Originally posted by straffo
Why do I try discuss with a chlimazel ?
"Because AH'M FRANCH. Can't you tell by my ahoutraegeous accent?"
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Was not thinking of you :)
check this Habu : http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index%3Dstripbooks%26field-keywords%3Dmiddle%2520east%2520water/002-6712523-3370463
Juts get one book to start with.
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Wow Habu, did you get the sum total of your "knowledge" about Palestine from a FLAME paid advertisement? :rolleyes:
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Flame ad? What is that? I got it from a much better source, from your mama when she was moaning it in bed.
When you read the same sorry rationally devoid crap time and time again you get tired of trying to have a rational debate.
Hey Straffo I hear New Mexico is pretty pissed off that they don't have any water either. Same with all those African countries that sit on the Sahara. Too bad countries with water just won't give it to them.
In fact Israel has no oil deposits, do you think that it is unfair that Saudi Arabia won't give some of their deposits to them?
Hong Kong has no real water as well. They did what every rational country would do in the same situation. They negotiated a deal to buy the water from their neighbor. And they did it at a time when Britain and China were not exactly on friendly terms.
Of course that was done in the days before Google so you two Internet genuses probably are not even the slightest bit aware of that.
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Originally posted by Habu
Flame ad? What is that? I got it from a much better source, from your mama when she was moaning it in bed.
What a nice boy you are.
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Originally posted by straffo
What a nice boy you are.
Don't they have sarcastic humour in France?
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Don't you think that the difference between sarcasm and insult is tenuous. ?
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(just like jingle bells)
Here comes scuzzy,
here comes scuzzy,
right down O'Club lane.
Personal attacks will not be tolerated
me thinks you all are lame.
He'll lock this thread just soon enough and you will finally see.
This kinda crap just aint enough to entertain you and me.
:) I kill me
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
(just like jingle bells)
Personal attacks will not be tolerated
me thinks you all are lame.
He'll lock this thread just soon enough and you will finally see.
:) I kill me
We can only wish.
Hey doesn't your personal attack in a post about not making personal attacks make you an oxymoron or something like that?
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Originally posted by straffo
Was not thinking of you :)
check this Habu : http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index%3Dstripbooks%26field-keywords%3Dmiddle%2520east%2520water/002-6712523-3370463
Juts get one book to start with.
I know but I could not resist, pardon moi. It's from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
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Originally posted by Habu
We can only wish.
Hey doesn't your personal attack in a post about not making personal attacks make you an oxymoron or something like that?
It actually isnt a "personal Attack" verses a general statement. Now if I said straffo, habu, are tard kings who sit on their tard thrones to look down on their tardome.....that would be personal ;)
Sorry just havin a little fun.
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Originally posted by storch
I know but I could not resist, pardon moi. It's from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
ok the film were I understand the English but not the French ;)
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Originally posted by straffo
ok the film were I understand the English but not the French ;)
You did better than I because I understood very little of either. I thought it was funny just the same.
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
u do know who she is dont ya?
here's a lil hintola
(http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v125/wildcrd/aceshigh/angelinajolie2_215.gif)
LOL
ok i take it back, she kinda to hot chick :D
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Originally posted by lada
LOL
ok i take it back, she kinda to hot chick :D
I have a few other pics of her but, i cant post those here:D
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Originally posted by storch
You did better than I because I understood very little of either. I thought it was funny just the same.
My post was a little misleading :)
In fact I've my usual comprehension trouble with their English ,but it was new to me was to have the very same trouble with their French :D
Plus I missed you quote because I generaly don't remember of dialogs except some in French like :
-Les cons, ça ose tout. C'est même à ça qu'on les reconnaît.
-Dans la vie on partage toujours les emmerdes, jamais le pognon.
If you need help with the translation I'll try to translate :)
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Most Palalistinians and Irsaelis now want peace, even if it means recognising each others nation as a sovereign state. Don't let the extremists in either country fool you.
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Are the palestinian chicks hot too?
im an equal oppertunity womanizer:aok
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umm i think all chicks who doesnt use HA are hot....
i never hear that palestins are running out of people, so they are maybe very hot.... :D
+ there is nowhere to go after sunset .. hush hush :D
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there is nowhere to go after sunset
BRING a camera boys we gonna show u how its done!! :rofl
What's HA mean?
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This is not about destroying homes as punishment, what they are doing is widening the security area between Egypt and Gaza from 30-something meters to 7-800 meters. There is also plans to dig a 20 meters deep trench (down to the water-level) parallell to the border to prevent new tunnels.
In 2004 alone the Israelis have discovered and destroyed 90 (!) tunnels.
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
What's HA mean?
dunno if i will translate it properly
Hormonal Anticonception ... (these modern pills)
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
BRING a camera boys we gonna show u how its done!! :rofl
chmm i take it as chalenge :D