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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: muckmaw on May 17, 2004, 01:15:34 PM
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I'm wondering about this.
I mean, things have been quiet in the US for almost 3 years now.
Al-Qaeda and friends promised 9-11 would be just the small start to a relentless campaign.
So......
Did they forget about us?
Somehow I doubt that.
So what has prevented attacks on the US in the past 3 years?
Luck? Counterintel?
Is it possible that the Bush administration has done a good job at keeping the US safe?
Or is Al Qaeda hatching a plan and the incubation period is longer than we thought?
Any thoughts?
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It's easier for terrorists to attack US troops in Iraq/Afganistan than it is to plot a domestic attack in the US.
That said, didn't the 9/11 attacks come after about 4-5 years of planning?
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I heard that as well, Mickey.
I was of the belief that such a complicated terroist network could plan and execute several complex plans at once.
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Actualy there is competition
Alquaida announced to award some amouth of gold for dead coalition soldier.
I think they already posted reward on Powell's head and Bush's head.
These guys are kind bunch of funny dweebs.
But im glad to read that xxxxxx soldiers has been killed instead of xxxxx civilians.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
I heard that as well, Mickey.
I was of the belief that such a complicated terroist network could plan and execute several complex plans at once.
chmmm your president is good speaker isnt he ?
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Lada, do you have a theory to add or not?
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Who can tell..maybe, maybe not...Something could happen tomorrow, next year, in ten years, or never..
One could also argue that the FBI and ATF have prevented terrorist attacks from RW extremist groups since OK City...
If we had a baseline to compare to then we could illustrate some statistically significant difference, but it's very difficult to confirm with a (hopefully) one-time event.
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I thought 9/11 was the first stage of a plan that took 4-5 years..... I thought they had the rest all planned out.
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Better question is, had we done nothing after 9.11, would we have had more terrorist attacks on US soil?
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Lada, do you have a theory to add or not?
Theory ... its not needed.
Who created that your vision about Mighty terrorist organization, whitch can attack what ever and everywhere ?
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A bunch of Muslims created that theory on Sept 11.
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Originally posted by lada
Theory ... its not needed.
Who created that your vision about Mighty terrorist organization, whitch can attack what ever and everywhere ?
So I guess it was just a bunch of backwoods Afghan Yahoos that took out a chunk of my favorite skyline and a nice sized piece of the Pentagon.
BOOSH LIED!! AL-QUEDA REPRESENTS NO THREAT TO THE USA..IT'S JUST REDIKILOUS!!!
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by muckmaw
BOOSH LIED!! AL-QUEDA REPRESENTS NO THREAT TO THE USA..IT'S JUST REDIKILOUS!!!
:rolleyes:
if you belive it....
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Originally posted by muckmaw
So what has prevented attacks on the US in the past 3 years?
Luck? Counterintel?
Afghanistan. No more Taliban support. Leadership scattered. Fear of the big U.S. boot coming down. Roaches scattering when the light is turned on.
Unfortunately, we chose to invade Iraq and we're actively recruiting for them after our bonehead moves in the prisons so the danger is probably greater than it ws before.
h
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Originally posted by muckmaw
So I guess it was just a bunch of backwoods Afghan Yahoos that took out a chunk of my favorite skyline and a nice sized piece of the Pentagon.
They were Saudis.
Well... nevermind.
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Their plans probably revolved around airliners. Things changed, I just barely got onto an airliner because I had metal snap cargo pants...
Now they are probably coming up with new plans, we aren't even remotely close to out of the woods.
2/26/1993, a bomb is detonated underneath the world trade center. Failed to bring down the tower.
9/11/2001, we saw what happened... over and over and over during that day and the following weeks.
Its been less than 3 years, saying that Bush is doing a good job protecting this country is like saying Clinton did a good job thwarting terrorist attacks after the 1993 explosion.
-SW
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Originally posted by Toad
A bunch of Muslims created that theory on Sept 11.
where did you here that ?
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All the experts seem to be saying that it's just a matter of time. These people are patient and ruthless.
Ravs
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How could you miss it?
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Ya gotta know your enemy's thinking
If I was them I would let things cool down. Im sad to say but the majority of Americans get complacent to easy.
So they are letting us get complacent, lax with security start feeling safe whilst BBQing in the ol back yard. Then BAM! BAM BAM! another 9-11. The phsycolgical impact would be far greater that way. everyone feels unsafe, paranoid, scared lives in upheaval.
That's how they think it's not enough just to blow somthing up and kill abounch of innocents they wanna terroze the populace
But, i could be wrong.
And if im not now is the time to keep our gaurd up
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I think it was 'Wired' magazine that wrote a really good article on 'nexus points' that people who mean a nation harm will hit. As we get more urbanised, we build up more and more of them - it's the downside of centralisation of resources. Be they water supplies, nuclear power plants, mass transport systems or whatever.
Even now these people are probably probing the weakspots of a nexus point that we don't expect or havn't thought of.
Ravs
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hehe thx god you are not one of them WilldCrd :)
they had specific goals and current situation is very good for them, coz their goals could come true.
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No terrorist is ever likely to use a US airplane to commit murder on the scale of 9/11 again. Passengers will swarm them and pilots will put 'em on the ceiling or shoot 'em. Best they can hope to do is blow the plane up.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
I heard that as well, Mickey.
I was of the belief that such a complicated terroist network could plan and execute several complex plans at once.
It may just be me, but hijacking 4 planes and unleashing hell with them all before noon is a complex plan.
To think they could turn around and do it again 4 days, 4 weeks, 4 months, maybe even 4 years later is a bit extreme. However, once a flaw in security is found, you can bet they'll exploit it.
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Originally posted by lada
hehe thx god you are not one of them WilldCrd :)
they had specific goals and current situation is very good for them, coz their goals could come true.
Gotta know your enemy. To defeat him.
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My wife says that to me on occasion, WildCrd! ;)
Ravs
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Giving Bush kudos for this is like patting me on the back for keeping alligators out of the Staples Center. Can't really draw any correlation between my actions and the alligator free environment.
Regarding terrorists, we are not sure whether doing nothing (other than Afghanistan) would have been as successful... are we?
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How can we be, MT? Unless we can replay alternate realities.
Ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
My wife says that to me on occasion, WildCrd! ;)
Ravs
glad i aint you!:lol
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
Gotta know your enemy. To defeat him.
Gotta know your enemy's motivation to not create more enemy
heeee e? ???
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Giving Bush kudos for this is like patting me on the back for keeping alligators out of the Staples Center. Can't really draw any correlation between my actions and the alligator free environment.
Regarding terrorists, we are not sure whether doing nothing (other than Afghanistan) would have been as successful... are we?
My thoughts exactly. I have a can of elephant repellent in the garage. It works great, 100% effective.
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The only thing we can be sure of is that the can of terrorist repellent used for 8 years prior to Bush was impotent.
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I'm actually with lada on this one:
Gotta know your enemy's motivation to not create more enemy
Ravs
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Originally posted by Horn
Afghanistan. No more Taliban support. Leadership scattered. Fear of the big U.S. boot coming down. Roaches scattering when the light is turned on.
Unfortunately, we chose to invade Iraq and we're actively recruiting for them after our bonehead moves in the prisons so the danger is probably greater than it ws before.
h
Careful...any deviation whatsoever from the GOP groupthink, and you'll be vilified as some pot-smoking, gay-marriage touting, pinko-commie leftist liberal pacifist...:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by ravells
I think it was 'Wired' magazine that wrote a really good article on 'nexus points' that people who mean a nation harm will hit. As we get more urbanised, we build up more and more of them - it's the downside of centralisation of resources. Be they water supplies, nuclear power plants, mass transport systems or whatever.
Even now these people are probably probing the weakspots of a nexus point that we don't expect or havn't thought of.
Ravs
Hmmm....Isint the nexus where Guinan told Picard they could find Captain Kir.....oops nevermind...wrong thread...:(
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I have to agree with Iron on this one (*world falls appart*). No one in a plane now will let them try anything.
Oh, and Toad, technicaly they were terrorists too, not only Muslims :)
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Sandman, MT and AKSWulfe...
How could the president have done a better job in the past 3 years?
I mean, could we have had -1 terrorist attacks in the US?
We've had ZERO!
Sandman, you are completely off base.
Doing nothing gave us 9/11.
You want to try that strategy again?
Some of you people are so full of blind hate, it is frightening.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
We've had ZERO!
well this could mean other things
for example here described terrorist as a bit overmodeled to you
if im not wrong, terrorist claimed to cause black out in NY
nobody deny it, nobody said hows possible that it happen....
naaah but prehistorical power lines in US are diferent story
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Be patient, Muck.
They are.
Ravs
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Doesn't matter, its all a rediculous guessing game that you want to turn into giving credit to someone or some administration because there has been an absence of something.
Like I said, after 1993 there were ZERO attacks on American soil until 9/11/2001. Thats NINE years, more than three times the length of time as the current absence of attacks on American soil.
Just because theres an absence of something, doesn't mean its been nullified by someone or a group of people... it just hasn't been repeated, YET.
-SW
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Would you be just as willing to give Clinton credit in 1996? I mean why not? 3 years ZERO hits on our soil!
1997?
1998?
1999?
hmmmmmm?
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Like I said, after 1993 there were ZERO attacks on American soil until 9/11/2001. Thats NINE years, more than three times the length of time as the current absence of attacks on American soil.
Not entirely true... Don't forget Oklahoma.
As for the lack of attacks on U.S. soil, I would hesitate to read too much into that one. Afterall, there has been no lack of attacks in Afghanistan or Iraq.
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Right, but I'm presuming that the terrorist attacks on American soil thats being referred to are of the foreign type.
Otherwise, technically - there has been a terrorist strike within the US that lasted for damn near 30 days. Lee Boyd Malvo and John Allen Muhammad.
-SW
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I think that like it was said attacking the US in a scale of 9/11 would be much more difficult and more complicated, while in Europe and elsewhere there are softer targets to hit while the bigger plan develops, though I don't think people even with their PCennes in the US are being tolerant to suspicious behaviour from middle eastern people, they know now people are more alert and are more pissy about it. It wouldn't be smart for them anyhow to attack now.
Like I said I predict we will see another coalition partner like Italy for example get hit than the US ,though the Italians are being proactive about it and searching for these kinds of people before they strike .
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I think the current government should get props for preventing any more attacks. Bush* included.
after the 9-11 attacks I was franky expecting more from AQ. I figured if they were able to mastermind the planes into the buildings then they would probably follow up with something really nasty - suitcase nukes in lower Manhattan during the confusion, for instance.
But it never materialized and later I sort of felt like AQ were rutabagas - one trick wonders.
But You can bet that US intelligence, law enforcement and military have been working their tails off to keep anything from happening again. All the way up to the top - Dick Cheney himself hehe. Seriously though that is probably the one thing Bush* hasn't screwed up (yet).
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I assume its because Al-Queda is being smart.
Instead of doing a series of small attacks, they might be keeping a very low profile, while planning a very large scale attacks.
[tinfoil hat]
They are stockpiling explosives or even WMD's in american soil, to make a coordinated detonation that will be ten times more devastating than 911.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Would you be just as willing to give Clinton credit in 1996? I mean why not? 3 years ZERO hits on our soil!
1997?
1998?
1999?
hmmmmmm?
Yes, actually, I would give credit to the clinton admin for those years.
I'm not sure our enemy was as focused on attacking our homeland at that time, but I know his admin did a great job in thwarting the millenium plot.
See, MT...it's not that hard to be intellectualy honest.
Try it.
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Well dangit!
If your going to get all reasonable on me I'm just going to sit in the corner and pout!
:cool:
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wow - a warm and fuzzy moment on the BBS.
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If they could, they would. And they can, so they will.
That is all there is to that.
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Al Queda Is back in there caves so GW dont open a nother can "O" woop arse on em LOL.
On another note i applied for a pss port today and they tell me 6 weeks LOL.
Guess I look like a terroist or sumpin :(
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They've probably been reading your posts, txmx.
Where are you going to?
Ravs
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Bring there butts to texas we got something for them:aok
We dont baby criminales down here we kill em !
LOL and even 10year old girls know how to shoot here so bring it :aok
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Better question is, had we done nothing after 9.11, would we have had more terrorist attacks on US soil?
Considering the past history of terrorist attacks against US interests/assets worldwide where there is typicaly 4-5 years in between major operations....we're due.
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Bring what?
Ravs
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I agree with Wildcrd. They are just bidding their time. They are gonna wait till we feel all nice and safe and they will hit us again. I speculate they are going to hit schools and churches at some point.
What I dont get is why they think what they do will scare us and make us submit. They have to realize that all it does is piss us off and more of them will die. Hell if it was up to me, each one caught needs to be beaten within an inch of his/her life until they cough up the information we need to know. If they die during the process, shock their heart and bring em back. After the third time, if they make it that far, let em stay dead. They lost their right to life when they decided to be terrorist.
Sorry I'm a lil bitter about some folks and world events.
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Well.........wolf..........th at's the circle of violence for you.
Guess I'm bitter about world events too.
Ravs
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Originally posted by AKIron
No terrorist is ever likely to use a US airplane to commit murder on the scale of 9/11 again. Passengers will swarm them and pilots will put 'em on the ceiling or shoot 'em. Best they can hope to do is blow the plane up.
i dont think they will use a plane. Why? becouse your right and everybody is watching those.
Last year when i was driving a container trk I had to got to ports ALOT and let me tell u they are WIDE open! how big a boom u think a supertanker with NG is gonna make? or do u know how easy it qould be to sneak somthing in thru the ports? Customs inspects only about 2% of cargo.
What about trains? aint nobody watching them
How about refineries, Large Manufaturing Plants?
wer'e due. We are relaxed and unprepared It's only a matter of time and time is running out
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hey wolffy wassup?
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Not much dude just chuckling to myself and thinking evil thoughts :)
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Originally posted by txmx
Bring there butts to texas we got something for them:aok
We dont baby criminales down here we kill em !
LOL and even 10year old girls know how to shoot here so bring it :aok
I bet you kill some innocent ones too.
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Originally posted by ravells
Bring what?
Ravs
'IT' Raves, 'IT'.... hehehe
dude
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On another note i applied for a pss port today and they tell me 6 weeks LOL. Guess I look like a terroist or sumpin"
Could be a couple of reasons.
Maybe they want to give you a bigger gun so you will have a better chance of killing Zarqawi and it'll be in soon.
Or they want six weeks to check your psychological profile because you entered too many identities where it said to write your name.
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Why hasn't America been attacked since 9/11? America is being attacked every day. Almost every terrorist attack is in effect an attack on America, every soldier shot at in Iraq and even the bombs in Madrid. It an attack on the on what America represents. The freedom we enjoy in the west is seen as 'American' in character. It's symbolic as much as anything. America is not simply a place it's represents a way of living which the extremists hate. So 'America' is always under attack.
But as to why the 'Homeland' hasn't attacked. Well, if you actually look at terrorist attacks attributed to Al Qaeda in places like Madrid, Bali, Turkey or attempted attacks as in Britain. The one common factor is the they are carried out by local extremists usually with help from the outside. But basically the terrorists were either citizens of the country concerned or immigrants recruited by the extremists. So by extrapolation the most likely source of terrorism on the American continent will likely come from US Islamic extremists. American citizens born in the USA. Free as America is I doubt if extremists find it easy to go unnoticed in the US these days.
But they exist I'm sure. Like the American convert to Islam whose fingerprints were found on parts of the Madrid bombs.
On the other hand Al Qaeda has been badly damaged by US action particularly in Afghanistan. Whatever you say about the war in Iraq the one in Afghanistan has been relatively successful.
I'm sure someone is planning something but I'm equally sure the FBI is on the case.
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Excellent summation, CPXX.
to you sir.