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From
The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32740-2004May17.html)
Anyone who saw "Meet the Press" yesterday witnessed quite a moment:
A State Department staffer tried to pull the plug on Tim Russert yesterday.
Toward the end of a "Meet the Press" interview with Secretary of State Colin Powell in Jordan, the camera suddenly moved off Powell to a shot of trees in front of the water.
"You're off," State Department press aide Emily Miller was heard saying.
"I am not off," Powell insisted.
"No, they can't use it, they're editing it," Miller said.
"He's still asking the questions," Powell said.
Miller, a onetime NBC staffer who recently worked for House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, also told Powell: "He was going to go for another five minutes."
Undeterred, Russert complained from Washington: "I would hope they would put you back on camera. I don't know who did that." He later said, "I think that was one of your staff Mr. Secretary. I don't think that's appropriate."
As the delay dragged on, Powell ordered: "Emily, get out of the way. Bring the camera back please." Powell's image returned to the screen, and Russert asked his last question.
What happened was that both NBC and Fox News were using Jordanian television facilities for back-to-back Powell interviews. Russert was allotted 10 minutes, and was asked to wrap when he went over by about two minutes. He said "Finally, Mr. Secretary," but abruptly lost his guest.
Russert was still puzzled afterward. "A taxpayer-paid employee interrupted an interview," he said. "Not in the United States of America, that's not supposed to go on. This is attempted news management gone berserk. Secretary Powell was really stand-up. He was a general and took charge." Powell later called the NBC anchor from his plane to apologize for the glitch.
State Department spokeswoman Julie Reside disputed Russert's characterization, saying that NBC "went considerably beyond the agreed end time. Other networks were waiting for their interviews and had satellite time booked and we didn't want to keep them waiting."
Who does this woman think she is? Colin Powell is the last person I would try to censor, face to face. Saying they were running long is a pretty weak excuse for shoving the camera out of the way and attempting to stop a nationwide broadcast. To his credit Powell basicly told the woman to "Sit Down and Shut Up!".
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God! I wish that man would run for President.
Talk about the easiest election choice in history.
ravs
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O well....
sounds like she should be working for rumsfeld anyways....;)
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he'd get my vote
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Originally posted by ravells
God! I wish that man would run for President.
Talk about the easiest election choice in history.
ravs
agreed. He's the man!
I had looked up some Powell history and there was some incident in Nam that could come up and bite him in the arse though.
I guess he had investigated some issues about U.S. soldiers massacring villagers and he down played it. It eventually exploded into a huge story of it actually happening. I'm going off of memory here but I think that is how it went down.
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He's probably too sensible to run for President, because any last little skeleton would be dredged up by the press.
There's a good Arthur C. Clarke novel about a planet which has a computer programme which chooses the president. The criteria is the person has to be excellent for the job and the person who least wants it.
But tell me this (serious question) do you think he would have problems on account of his colour?
Ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
But tell me this (serious question) do you think he would have problems on account of his colour?
Ravs
He probably wouldn't survive his term. That's a bit of a problem.
(http://www.mysticknights.org/KKKparade.gif)
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That's a pity...it's a real 'cometh the time, cometh the man' moment.
Ravs
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Honestly, I think ... yes. It would matter to too many for him to make it.
A story about yesterday....
Just yesterday, I was talking to my neighbor who's gonna be 70 this year. He's a nice old guy and never said a bad word about anyone to me....
We were talking about the vet I was using and having problems with... then out of the blue he says "Which vet? Wasn't a ni**er was it? They don't care what they kill!" I was shocked.... This is an old guy in a nice area... guess it doesn't matter.
I think there are a lot more racists out there than meets the eye still.
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But he already occupies a high position. Do you think he gets death threats from white supremicist organisations?
Ravs
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Actually, the KKK is all but dead sans a few micro-orgs in the U.S. The FBI pretty much shut em all down financially speaking. The Neo-Nazi movements in Germany are much larger than the KKK is in the US.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Actually, the KKK is all but dead sans a few micro-orgs in the U.S. The FBI pretty much shut em all down financially speaking. The Neo-Nazi movements in Germany are much larger than the KKK is in the US.
Sure... the organization has obviously lost a lot of ground, but the mentality still exists.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Sure... the organization has obviously lost a lot of ground, but the mentality still exists.
I won't argue that point. Agreed. However, I may be mistaken but isn't he Jamacan?
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Originally posted by ravells
But he already occupies a high position. Do you think he gets death threats from white supremicist organisations?
Ravs
Don't know.
Also, that high position was an appointment. Not an elected position.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I won't argue that point. Agreed. However, I may be mistaken but isn't he Jamacan?
I don't think the people that would kill him worry about such distinctions.
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But, the impression I get is that he is utterly loved by the rank and file of Americans and they would elect him tomorrow if he put his name forward.
As Sandman said...perhaps he's not doing because some loon will do a MLK on him?
Ravs
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Rip, don't play down the KKK. It may be invisible in Seattle, but trust me they are still alive and hatin' in the South. They still have a hierarchy in place as well. As I have said before, I was born a poor white child and raised by rednecks so I've seen some pretty disturbing stuff, like kids running around playing in the front yard wearing Daddy's hood. I have no doubt one of those morons would take a shot at Powell if elected (and CP would win by a landslide).
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My bro, who is a Chemical Engineer, had a job in Alabama...he wasn't sure what to expect, and when he returned I asked him about the deep south racism question. He said the people there were lovely.
Guess he didn't stray into the wrong neighbourhoods!
Ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
But, the impression I get is that he is utterly loved by the rank and file of Americans and they would elect him tomorrow if he put his name forward.
As Sandman said...perhaps he's not doing because some loon will do a MLK on him?
Ravs
To listen to his wife speak, that's exactly it. She doesn't want him to be president.
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Originally posted by ravells
My bro, who is a Chemical Engineer, had a job in Alabama...he wasn't sure what to expect, and when he returned I asked him about the deep south racism question. He said the people there were lovely.
Guess he didn't stray into the wrong neighbourhoods!
Ravs
Is your brother white, by chance?
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I'm speechless here. I can't imagine someone killing the president because of his race or whatever perceived racially based kook theories they cook up.
What the hell have you folks seen in your life that makes you think anyone would do that? I'm honestly curious. It's absolutely incomprehensible to me.
I guess I'm just a sheltered little white boy.
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do not see it happening yet .. maybe a black VP 1st
or female as far as that goes
but leave it to those crazy dems and back a black woman next time round :)
Opra for Prez!
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Originally posted by mosgood
I think there are a lot more racists out there than meets the eye still.
Look no furtner than this BBs.
"I know no class of my fellowmen, however just, enlightened, and humane, which can be wisely and safely trusted absolutely with the liberties of any other class." -Fredrick Douglass
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Originally posted by Sandman
Is your brother white, by chance?
No, he's as Indian brown as I am. Actually darker cos he lives in the tropics and I'm here.
Ravs
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Anyone remember that commercial in the 70's with the kid fishing with his grampa in the boat?
The kid asks "Grampa, what's racist mean?"
The grampa says "Why do you ask?"
The kid responds "Joey says that I'm racist"
Gramps 'Who's Joey?"
Kid "He's my jewish friend".....
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Look no furtner than this BBs.
"I know no class of my fellowmen, however just, enlightened, and humane, which can be wisely and safely trusted absolutely with the liberties of any other class." -Fredrick Douglass
What some think of as racism can be misconstrued as "cultural differences", I really can't think of one instant where outright racism is dictated in a post. Skuzzy would have nothing of it, either.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Rip, don't play down the KKK. It may be invisible in Seattle, but trust me they are still alive and hatin' in the South. They still have a hierarchy in place as well. As I have said before, I was born a poor white child and raised by rednecks so I've seen some pretty disturbing stuff, like kids running around playing in the front yard wearing Daddy's hood. I have no doubt one of those morons would take a shot at Powell if elected (and CP would win by a landslide).
Well I am downplaying the KKK, The KKK, as a whole, does not pose a significant threat like it used to. That is not to say that a member of the KKK will not act on his own or in concert with members of another group. Law enforcement has been very successful in infiltrating a number of these groups, thereby keeping abreast of their plans for action. The KKK also draws the attention of many watchdog groups, and the Southern Poverty Law Center produces a quarterly publication entitled "Klanwatch." It would be difficult for any of the known KKK groups to participate in violence without law enforcement knowing.
That said, the Neo-Nazi groups in the US has doubled since 2002 apparently, and 9/11 events helped fuel alot of that unfortunately. New Jersy accounted for 1/3 of all of these new nazi groups since 2002. Go figure..
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I really can't think of one instant where outright racism is dictated in a post. Skuzzy would have nothing of it, either.
Outright racism? but then again you agree that there have been racism on this board right?
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Well, maniac, the Arabs as a whole havn't fared too well.
Ravs
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Rip, you are isolated from their core constituancy. In South Carolina, for example, they have (claim) over 100,000 members.
I don't personally know any Klansmen from other states so I can't give numbers on them. Yes, the FBI shut down the KKK in the 30's and again in the 60's but they keep regrouping. They are still the same backward thinkers they ever were and I guarentee there would be volunteers or loose cannons.
(Note: I am not and never will be a member of the KKK. Unfortunately, I am related to one of those imbeciles.)
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Though not technically a race, the French are running a close second.
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Does anyone here know any KKK people?
Ravs
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Originally posted by Maniac
Outright racism? but then again you agree that there have been racism on this board right?
Nice attempt at quoting out of text! :aok
Re-read the first part again...
Originally posted by Ripsnort
What some think of as racism can be misconstrued as "cultural differences",
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Originally posted by ravells
Does anyone here know any KKK people?
Ravs
Have never met any Neo nazi's nor KKK members. (I;ve lived in Minnesota, Florida, New Jersy, Montana, Washington state and traveled to 42 of 50 states.)
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Haha. Not buying it...
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Maniac,
Racism is not usually an absolute thing. It exists in degrees. I think that's what Rip is saying.
Ravs
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Racism is not usually an absolute thing. It exists in degrees. I think that's what Rip is saying.
LoL!
Ravs :aok
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Originally posted by ravells
Maniac,
Racism is not usually an absolute thing. It exists in degrees. I think that's what Rip is saying.
Ravs
Exactly.
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Exactly.
but then again you agree that there have been racism on this board right?
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But you must have met a few in your time, Rip?
What do you say to them?
Ravs
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Nice hijack BTW. We should be talking about the press aide and her attempt at censoring Powell.
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Yes, maniac.
But when there's a war on, people stereotype and get excited and use shorthand.
I kind of suspect that everyone I've met on this board, if they had been at a local pub or bar and were having a drink with an Arab American would have framed their conversation quite differently.
Ravs
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Thank you!
NASH????
NASH???
TAKE NOTE! HERE! HERE!
ravs
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Worst racism I've ever seen first hand was in Chicago, not in the deep South.
There has been plenty of subtly racist remarks on this BBS. I think you need to be sensitive to them to notice them. If they were about you or your kind they would stand out like a sore thumb.
Here's one (and no, I don't think Rip is a racist)
The game has changed alot, personally I've gotten turned off since gang members were allowed on NBA teams.
Disect that for a minute.
Gang Members? My guess is this is basically lumping all Black players with tattoos who like Rap music into one group. Nevermind that many have college degrees or that they employ as many people as most small businesses. Darnit! They say Axe instead of Ask!
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Originally posted by Maniac
but then again you agree that there have been racism on this board right?
Again, what you construe as racism might be based on a cultural difference.
Lets say funked teases blacks with the "Wooo Wooo" and uses ghetto-type language on this bbs...is that racism or is he simply making fun of ones culture that they're living in? I don't believe Funked has one racist bone in his body. I think folks are too eager to play the racist card in a knee-jerk reaction to PC'ism.
Ravells, never met any. Honestly. My Grandfather was the most racist SOB you'd ever meet, but never part of organized groups. I detested him for it.
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I kind of suspect that everyone I've met on this board, if they had been at a local pub or bar and were having a drink with an Arab American would have framed their conversation quite differently.
Well i dont have that much of a problem with the above cenario, after all its a war going on...
I do have a problem with the white vs black thing tho... And your above scenario still applies there, people talking **** about eachothers "race" at home and then get along djust fine when they have to spend time together...
Racism is Racism, you cant say "im a little bit racist". you either are or your not.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Worst racism I've ever seen first hand was in Chicago, not in the deep South.
There has been plenty of subtly racist remarks on this BBS. I think you need to be sensitive to them to notice them. If they were about you or your kind they would stand out like a sore thumb.
Here's one (and no, I don't think Rip is a racist)
Disect that for a minute.
Gang Members? My guess is this is basically lumping all Black players with tattoos who like Rap music into one group. Nevermind that many have college degrees or that they employ as many people as most small businesses. Darnit! They say Axe instead of Ask!
Do you disagree that there are gang members on NBA teams? What I posted was fact, and the fact remains. You "lumped them in", not I.
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The KKK does not have to exist as an organized group in order to commit an act such as murdering a high profile member of the government.
The way the KKK and Neo Nazi groups operate nowdays is 'stand-alone-complex', meaning that one or a few individuals can perform an act totally disconnected for any heriarchy, except for the ideological motivation those institutions provide.
This method of operation is very efficient. A person may not need to be a member of the KKK to act like KKK and take a desicion that the KKK would approve. In the aftermath he still technically acted on his own. Hate grop organizations nowdays go to great lenghts to motivate twisted individuals to act on their own. Rent or HBO a documentary called 'hate.com' to see more on how they operate today. Those groups are more dangerous now than they ever were.
This is the way Al-Qaeda works, so we know its effective.
For Powell to survive one single term as President it would be required an incredible amount of effort from the secret service. It would be the most daunting personal security task the US has ever faced.
And he still could be killed.
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I asked you to name one. You couldn't or wouldn't.
But your question is irrelevent to the point. The statement was inherently racist.
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Lets say funked teases blacks with the "Wooo Wooo" and uses ghetto-type language on this bbs...is that racism or is he simply making fun of ones culture that they're living in?
No thats not racism, thats a retarded white fat guy trying to be cool on the internet.
:-P
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Do you disagree that there are gang members on NBA teams? What I posted was fact, and the fact remains. You "lumped them in", not I.
Omg.
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Originally posted by Maniac
No thats not racism, thats a retarded white fat guy trying to be cool on the internet.
:-P
See? Its easy to pick and choose, isn't it?
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I have to say, this was something I was a little worried about when I did my 'grand tour' of America. I really wanted to see small town America, but I have to confess I was a little worried about the racism thing. (We're indoctrinated that way in the UK about your country!)
Anway, hooked up with my lover who was in Philly at the time and we went on a car trip around the great lakes (which has a special childhood meaning for me) many nights, lying in bed in Malaysia as a kid, staring at the Disney Encyclopaedia pictures of lake Superior thinking, 'I have to see that place one day'.
We stopped off in this bar in the middle of nowhere in Michigan - Marsha had to make a phone call. She nipped off to the back and I sat at the bar. I was wearing my palestinan scarf and hadn't shaved for days (this was before 9/11).
The scene was really weird, there was this old guy who kept nodding, everyone was staring. The woman behind the bar was brilliant. Asked me what I wanted. - Coca cola was the timid answer (damn..I really wanted a whiskey), she made small talk with me whilst everyone in the bar was staring to put me at my ease. Eventually, Marsha finished her phone call and we hopped into the car.
When I told her what had happened she laughed. She said, 'Do you honestly think you're the first brown person to have stepped into that bar??'
I said, 'yes', I do.
She said, 'You're probably right, but they were curious...not unfriendly'
And....I think she was right.
Ravs
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Too bad this discussion went the 'HTC way' by the same usual suspects before I made my contribution in the first page.
It was a topic I wanted to discuss in a civil manner.
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Please go ahead, Connection.
Ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
He's probably too sensible to run for President, because any last little skeleton would be dredged up by the press.
There's a good Arthur C. Clarke novel about a planet which has a computer programme which chooses the president. The criteria is the person has to be excellent for the job and the person who least wants it.
But tell me this (serious question) do you think he would have problems on account of his colour?
Ravs
Im not so keen on Powell as I used to be. He has either wilfully participated in the Bush* fallacies in Iraq or he was fooled by them. Either way I don't know if he was the man I thought he was.
What is the name of that Clarke novel - didnt he write Dune? IMHO anybody who wants to be president should be immediately disqualified.
It might be time for a black president. Powell/Condi? that might be a winner, if they don't get too soiled by Bush* as he self destructs.
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Ravells, Re: your last post travelling in the US
An asian or white can get the same reaction by entering a place where its not common to see anyone but black. Its not necessarily racism for a person to be curious about an individual who looks so different.
Your girlfriend was right.
It reminds me of when Sting was a guest on the Arsenio Hall show, a black culture show. Sting had the guts to describe his first meeting with Jimmy Hendrix, and how amazed he was, how curious, and how he could not stop staring at him. It was not because he was Hendrix the legend.
It was because Hendrix was the first black man Sting had ever seen in person in his whole life.
Racism is a step that comes after that first meeting. When a gray wolf aproaches a bunch of brown wolves from a different pack, the first stage is curiosity. They get close, smell, try to understand this different individual. Sometimes the raction is of acceptance, and sometimes its violent if racism takes place. We humans act the same way, except that we wear pants :)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I asked you to name one. You couldn't or wouldn't.
But your question is irrelevent to the point. The statement was inherently racist.
Alright, I'll rephrase it "Posse" instead of "Gang members". I consider someone who's done 4 months in jail for a fight in a bowling alley and thats pulled over 4 years later busted with a .45 (with no CWP) and dope, hanging with his "posse" as a culture I won't encourage my sons to watch, as kids have a tendency to make hero's out of sports stars. That was the main point of my post in that thread. I'm getting that same feeling for the NFL as well. So many criminals, (pick a color, any color) so little time...
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lol! Connection...it was just like when I went with my family to Austria when I was about 5 with my sister, 7 and my bro 9. We were stopped by house fraus in the street and they would line us up and play with our hair. At that time Black hair was totally unusual in Austria and very sought after.
It was the American equivalent of curiousity. But after you've seen 'Deliverance'....you don't want to take any chances!
One of the real tragedies about easy air travel today is that you can go pretty much anywhere in the world and...they've seen it all before. It's a pity.
Ravs
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Originally posted by rpm371
From
The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32740-2004May17.html)
Who does this woman think she is? Colin Powell is the last person I would try to censor, face to face. Saying they were running long is a pretty weak excuse for shoving the camera out of the way and attempting to stop a nationwide broadcast. To his credit Powell basicly told the woman to "Sit Down and Shut Up!".
Emily is her name right? I would like to know whe she is, who hired her, and what her job is exactly. This stinks.
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Originally posted by Connection
Too bad this discussion went the 'HTC way' by the same usual suspects before I made my contribution in the first page.
It was a topic I wanted to discuss in a civil manner.
Thank you for the condecention
Please save us from ourselves before we kill again!
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Shush! MT!
e'en now I am weaving the web of no return for Connection.
Ravs
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Alright, I'll rephrase it "Posse" instead of "Gang members". I consider someone who's done 4 months in jail for a fight in a bowling alley and thats pulled over 4 years later busted with a .45 (with no CWP) and dope, hanging with his "posse" as a culture I won't encourage my sons to watch, as kids have a tendency to make hero's out of sports stars. That was the main point of my post in that thread. I'm getting that same feeling for the NFL as well. So many criminals, (pick a color, any color) so little time...
Funny...
Now a group of Black guys is a "posse". The racism is so blatant if it were a French guy it woulda kissed you on both cheeks.
Didja ever do something stupid with your "posse" when you were a teenager or young adult Rip? Did people automatically consider you a "gangmember"? I bet not.
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Mt! go jack your own thread....I jacked this one first!
Ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
I was wearing my palestinan scarf and hadn't shaved for days (this was before 9/11).
Your palestenian scarf?
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Yes...very warm, very comfortable and very practical.
When I was at Uni I shared a flat with two Palestinian brothers. Utter liabilities, both of them. They would go 'shopping' and steal as much as they bought. They were as cheeky as hell. Didn't pay the television license, the inspector knocked on the door, Amjad answered it and said........no Amjad is not at home but you can speak to his flatmate. I was utterly livid.
But! They were good blokes. They would have sold all their possessions had I been in trouble, to help me.
It's a good thing to live amongst many cultures.
Ravs
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What a bunch of crooks those two, do you know what they are up to today?
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But nice crooks.
No idea. We fell out of touch when I left uni.
Ravs
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Originally posted by Tarmac
I'm speechless here. I can't imagine someone killing the president because of his race or whatever perceived racially based kook theories they cook up.
What the hell have you folks seen in your life that makes you think anyone would do that? I'm honestly curious. It's absolutely incomprehensible to me.
I guess I'm just a sheltered little white boy.
Hinckley shot Reagan to impress Jodi Foster, no shortage
of nutjobs out there.
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Sure there are nutjobs, but I put someone who's crazy in a different category from someone who has logically (kinda) thought things through and has committed to an ideology that they're willing to murder for.
In Hinckley's case, crazy wasn't an ideology.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Funny...
Now a group of Black guys is a "posse". The racism is so blatant if it were a French guy it woulda kissed you on both cheeks.
Didja ever do something stupid with your "posse" when you were a teenager or young adult Rip? Did people automatically consider you a "gangmember"? I bet not.
How would you explain my favorite sports stars (as mentioned in other posts) of all time being Barry Sanders and Walter Payton? Color? no. Moral responsibilities? yes. The cultural differences between Sanders and Iverson are like night and day. And that, my friend, is a perfect example of "Cultural differences" and perceived "racism" looking out from the left side of the vehicle.
In regards to my "posse", I outgrew that at 18 years of age. Too bad the NFL/NBA can't.
/hijack rant over.
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White American males really don't have a lock on the racist thing.
Blacks
Asians
Hispanics
Arabs
Muslims
Hindus
Christians
Jews
Pakistanis vs Indians
Indians vs Pakistanis
Timorese vs Chinese
Koreans vs Vietnamese
Japanese
Brits vs any former colony
Canadians vs Beavars!!
Quebec Francophones
French vs everyone
Germans
Spanairds
The Balkans as an entire region
Norwegians spitting on black soccer player (happened this month at a match)
That's just the start of the list
But hey, it's more chic to do the Sandy drive by picture from the '20's thing.
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I'll just have you know that the next prime minister of India is going to be an Italian!
Naso! WTG!
Ravs
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Awesome, my wife is from Italy!!
Oh and to add to the list...
Italians vs Sicilians
Genovese vs Calibrese
Romans vs Neopolitans
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Originally posted by ravells
Maniac,
Racism is not usually an absolute thing. It exists in degrees. I think that's what Rip is saying.
Ravs
I agree. You don't have to be KKK to be racist. MY neighbor isn't KKK but he has a very uneducated idea about blacks. It's through upbringing and ignorance... not an organized community that he belongs too.
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OK Rip,
Some of your best friends are black too. You still missed the point completely. Too bad, it could have been a learning experience for you.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Nice hijack BTW. We should be talking about the press aide and her attempt at censoring Powell.
did I do that? :eek:
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Originally posted by midnight Target
OK Rip,
Some of your best friends are black too. You still missed the point completely. Too bad, it could have been a learning experience for you.
What point? The point that I was trying to make that racism is sometimes misinterpreted at cultural differences? No, you missed the point, sir.
And for the record, its "Black and Iranian"..two of my best friends, and co-workers. Care to guess why we blend so well together? No cultural differences. ;) You might get a clue one day...but I doubt it. Too late.
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It's something to be proud of, mosgood!
His Nashishness will judge!
Ravs ;)
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The point is that you characterized a group of black friends as a "posse" when you would never do the same for a group of white friends. I think thats obvious.
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I had to fill out an application the other day and one of the questions was If straded on an Island who would you want to be stranded with?
I picked Colin Powell.
Although on second thought Liv Tyler is lookin good these days.
Oh well back to the point.
I think he is one of the great minds of our time!
He has already given his country so much I can understand him wanting to give the rest of his time to his family.
It Is our lose but there gain.
I you sir where ever you may be You where and are a great American warrior yet humain .
I really would give anything to sit down with the man and hear what he has to say I could learn more in an hour from him than I would in ten years stumbling around here LOL.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The point is that you characterized a group of black friends as a "posse" when you would never do the same for a group of white friends. I think thats obvious.
I'm not playing a sport where you're a "role model" whether you like it or not, nor was my "posse" in question here. The only thing in question was perceived racism used as a crutch to get ones point across as you've attempted to do..hello...
Gang members in the NBA/NFL bother me , white or black or green or orange. Its the culture, not the color.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Funny...
Now a group of Black guys is a "posse". The racism is so blatant if it were a French guy it woulda kissed you on both cheeks.
Didja ever do something stupid with your "posse" when you were a teenager or young adult Rip? Did people automatically consider you a "gangmember"? I bet not.
hmmm ok so are you saying that because Rip calls a group of guys that are hard core criminals (that happen to be black) a "posse" BUT doesnt call a group of guys that are hard core criminals (that are french) a "posse" he saying a racist comment towards blacks?
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Originally posted by mosgood
hmmm ok so are you saying that because Rip calls a group of guys that are hard core criminals (that happen to be black) a "posse" BUT doesnt call a group of guys that are hard core criminals (that are french) a "posse" he saying a racist comment towards blacks?
See?One can shake that Etch-a-sketch up any which way they choose and still spell "Racism" into any form they see convenient.
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Stoppit you two.
Sadness is that I can see exactly where you're both coming from.
Ravs
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
See?One can shake that Etch-a-sketch up any which way they choose and still spell "Racism" into any form they see convenient.
yep
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Originally posted by ravells
Stoppit you two.
Sadness is that I can see exactly where you're both coming from.
Ravs
I just happen to believe more in personal responsibility for ones actions than Midnight. Thats what it comes down to once you boil all the rhetoric aside.
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The answer to your question mosgood is yes. The remark is racist. It's as plain as the carpet on Rips garage floor.
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MT! You are not seriously saying that Rip is a racist, are you?
Ravs
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Go back and read.. I said he wasn't in the original post.
The point is about the subtle forms racism takes that people don't even realize they are doing or condoning.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The answer to your question mosgood is yes. The remark is racist. It's as plain as the carpet on Rips garage floor.
IMO I think you're wrong. I see where you can make a distiction in words (semantics) but not in view point of judgement that one is better than another.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The point is about the subtle forms racism takes that people don't even realize they are doing or condoning.
In that case then you'd better watch out for any redneck comments, thats a culture too. ;)
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Originally posted by strk
Emily is her name right? I would like to know whe she is, who hired her, and what her job is exactly. This stinks.
Here is some info on Emily Miller:
http://www.hillnews.com/050201/capitol_ambitions.shtm
I posted a link to the vid and transcripts on this thread:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116878
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Damn, I see MT is working hard to win the hijack award this month.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Nikki Dial
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
How would you explain my favorite sports stars (as mentioned in other posts) of all time being Barry Sanders and Walter Payton? Color? no. Moral responsibilities? yes. The cultural differences between Sanders and Iverson are like night and day. And that, my friend, is a perfect example of "Cultural differences" and perceived "racism" looking out from the left side of the vehicle.
In regards to my "posse", I outgrew that at 18 years of age. Too bad the NFL/NBA can't.
/hijack rant over.
Rip, it's as plain as the shine on your head. You are overcompensating for the racism deep down inside.
Kinda like the BMW / wee wee thing.:aok
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Nikki Dial
A big fan of her earlier work, here. Classic Dial, alla way.
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Powell is a whimp. He makes George Sr. look decisive......
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When have you ever seen a Sec State getting out in front of the CIC?
If that were to happen, fahgettabout it.
He's handcuffed, and showing a remarkable restraint under the circumstances.
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Good friend living here in New Zealand who has since passed on but was orginally from US told me once that the US would never elect a black man as president. Would many people in the US hold it against a man like Powell just because of his colour? Find it hard to believe they would.
...-Gixer
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If any black man has a chance it's Powell
however before the last election when asked if he would run he said he wouldn't becouse all the BS that comes with the job IIRC
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
"....he wouldn't becouse all the BS that comes with the job... "
Heh, that's one way to put it. :)
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
If any black man has a chance it's Powell
however before the last election when asked if he would run he said he wouldn't becouse all the BS that comes with the job IIRC
I would think Powell would make an excellent president, however I think he is more than aware of the inevitable attacks on his character, and would want to remain above it.
As for racism....
racism is not an american invention...fear and ignorance are an entirely human trait
Tronsky
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Yeah the fear of fools acting stupid are keeping a great man from seeking office:(
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I wonder if there are any polls on how americans feel about Powell running for president.... I don't know anything about that stuff.
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An asian or white can get the same reaction by entering a place where its not common to see anyone but black. Its not necessarily racism for a person to be curious about an individual who looks so different.
Yes, if you as "white" or "westerner" enter an Asian village then you indeed will be meet by curious people wanting to know everything about you...
You even will get alot of offers of sleeping with their doughters/sisters/cousins :aok
On the other hand, If a Asian looking dude walks into a "all white" community then hes met with strange looks...
Gang members in the NBA/NFL bother me , white or black or green or orange. Its the culture, not the color.
Do gang members in the US-Army bother you to the same degree?
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Originally posted by crowMAW
Here is some info on Emily Miller:
http://www.hillnews.com/050201/capitol_ambitions.shtm
I posted a link to the vid and transcripts on this thread:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116878
thanks for the link. I heard earlier that Emily came from Tom Delay's camp (the ex-exterminator who is waiting indictments).
I wonder who she is really working for, and if she is working for anyone today.
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black man asside... most of you who want powell for pres won't be able to vote in our country anyway.
lazs
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Yer startin' to sound more and more like the whiney girl you detest every time ya get to the plate. Buck up.
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who me? How so? I am merely pointing out that most of you socialists can talk all you want but you won't be voting here. I would also contend that you don't know enough about the U.S. and it's people to make a decent decision in any case.
lazs
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If I may be so bold....
Neither do Americans themselves, it would seem. :D
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Some of you guys realy have a short term memory if you're saying there are no rascists on this board.
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you may be so bold but... we seem to be doing just fine... If I may be so bold.... your voting in your own country has not exactly made it a powerhouse of.... well.... anything now has it? I certainly don't want to imitate your system.
soo.... it would seem that not taking advice from the socialists would be a good thing...
lazs
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Lasz, what do you think of Powell as a man? do you think he would do a good job for you? does his "race" get in your way?
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Some of you guys realy have a short term memory if you're saying there are no rascists on this board.
How soon I forgot :(
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=98923&referrerid=3203
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I had other thread in mind, sorry if I don't put them in my favourites.
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Originally posted by lazs2
you may be so bold but... we seem to be doing just fine... If I may be so bold.... your voting in your own country has not exactly made it a powerhouse of.... well.... anything now has it? I certainly don't want to imitate your system.
soo.... it would seem that not taking advice from the socialists would be a good thing...
lazs
werent you making the case for farm subsidies on another thread? Well isnt that socialism? it sure isnt free-market capitalism
And if you only want socialism for the things that interest you, well that is the same attitude as stalin, lenin and fidel.
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
If any black man has a chance it's Powell
however before the last election when asked if he would run he said he wouldn't becouse all the BS that comes with the job IIRC
I don't think he wants to catch that same fatal disease that plagued both the Kennedy boys, what was that again oh yeah a bullet.
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connection. Powell is not a "black man" in my opinion. He is simply a man. When he starts harping on being a black man then I will consider him one. If he is an "african American" then that would get in the way of me voting for him... I don't want to vote for people who have dual citizenships and put africa ahead of America. I don't want to vote for people born here for generations but who divorce themselves of American culture (if such a thing exists).
strk... Where did I say I was for farm subsidies? I said that (to boil it down) that I would much rather pay my money to insure a reliable food source than to pay the gangbangers down the street to zombie out for the next infinite number of generations... to pay for them to commit crime while I am at work.
Any SANE man... and I mean MAN would.
Oh.. and torque... I didn't know the kennedy boys were "black men"... see... I must not be prejudiced... I didn't even see it!
lazs
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I wonder if you feel the same about Irish Americans or German Americans or Italian Americans? If so... cool.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
I'm speechless here. I can't imagine someone killing the president because of his race or whatever perceived racially based kook theories they cook up.
What the hell have you folks seen in your life that makes you think anyone would do that? I'm honestly curious.
MLK being shot dead, fighting for sanitation worker's rights
JFK being shot dead, for pushing civil rights and being against the war
Medgar Evers being shot dead fighting for civil rights
3 NY social workers being shot in ther car in Mississippi fighting for civil rights
4 girls attending sunday school in 'bama being blown up in church
Colin Powell himself saying he fears for his life and that of his family by white supremacists if he held public office
People on THIS BBs talking about taking "pop shots" at US senators because they dont like his-her views (and most of THEm are white senators, sheesh!
Some idiot on this BBs talking about a lynching...and these are people with average intelligence, how do you think the true Alphas are going to react if the first family is in the White house (which aint gonna happen anyway in our lifetime)
PS. Larry Bird was black :lol