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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 13Promet on May 18, 2004, 07:09:13 AM
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I don't see any major improvement in "AHII" compared to "AHI", neither in graphics (awful compared to any "modern" game) nor in physics (very slight differences).
Is it really developed from the scratch ?
If yes, it was wasted time IMO.
At least i hope we won't be charged more.
:mad:
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I would disagree - after a weekend of playing II I can't go back to I.
If there's a better mmog flight sim I'd be quite willing to pay $30 a month for it.
I like AEP - but it's not really multiplayer.
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I’m guessing like me 13, you don’t have much time in it. I started messing with it this weekend to get the video settings tweaked in, preparing for the official release. After playing IL2FB for so long, it was hard for me to think “II” was much if any improvement. In fact the graphics to me look worse than AHI, because I don’t like the ground. But after selecting on some graphic settings that defaulted off, the sparkling terrain at least went away and it runs smoother.
Improvements I like already are the counter and tracers. I have a much better immersion feeling, and think it will take some of the long distance laser shots that kill me in 1 which frustrates the hell out of FB players. I’m sure there is lotsa new stuff that makes it indeed AH2. It’s usually best to try it for awhile before you make sweeping statements like “it’s a waste of time”. And trust me, I’m not thrilled with the graphics, but I will be giving the first few months lotsa playing time, and then either beetch, or enjoy it as much as 1.
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Originally posted by 13Promet
... it was wasted time IMO.
At least i hope we won't be charged more.
:mad:
Hehe, if it was me a HTC, I would make it so you didn't have to pay anything for ah2.
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I wasn't aware that the players were the people who determined whether or not a game should be I or II.
"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all." - Futurama
13Promet and Furious will be charged double once AHII is out. Thank you for your generosity. :aok
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Originally posted by Creamo
I’m guessing like me 13, you don’t have much time in it. I started messing with it this weekend to get the video settings tweaked in, preparing for the official release. After playing IL2FB for so long, it was hard for me to think “II” was much if any improvement. In fact the graphics to me look worse than AHI, because I don’t like the ground. But after selecting on some graphic settings that defaulted off, the sparkling terrain at least went away and it runs smoother.
Improvements I like already are the counter and tracers. I have a much better immersion feeling, and think it will take some of the long distance laser shots that kill me in 1 which frustrates the hell out of FB players. I’m sure there is lotsa new stuff that makes it indeed AH2. It’s usually best to try it for awhile before you make sweeping statements like “it’s a waste of time”. And trust me, I’m not thrilled with the graphics, but I will be giving the first few months lotsa playing time, and then either beetch, or enjoy it as much as 1.
what vid settings did you change? what video card you running?
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e-GeForce FX 5900 SE 128 MB DDR AGP.
Under Video Settings- I clicked all the boxes.
Terrain Mipmapping
Transitions
Bump Mapping
Horizons
Before I did that, there was a hideous glimmering sparkle bush ground thing going on. And no, I have no idea what those things do or do not do.
I still like AH1 graphically just as well, but like some game changes, as I said. I don't see a diffrence but I'll sure play the heck out of it.
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
Furious will be charged double once AHII is out. Thank you for your generosity.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Why make him wait? Charge him double for AH1 right now!!!
Though, to be honest, I think Furrywuss was actually trying be sly in saying that the other guy should not be allowed to play AH2 and be banned from playing, thus "not paying anyhting for AH2." However, because this was a very stupid way to go about saying it, he should definitely be forced to pay more. Its only fair.
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I think the best part of this game is the multiplayer experience. The graphics are adequate, but certainly not as beautiful as IL2:FB or Battlefield Vietnam.
But, with the eye candy on those games you pretty much get a blah multiplayer experience.
I haven't seen another game with a sophisticated and easy to use vox system like we have, or with the level of detail strategically. Also the maps on other multiplayer sims are usually very limited in scope.
So, I think the graphics will get there, but the gameplay is what keeps me sending in my five bucks a month.
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OH, btw... I don't mean the skins when I say the graphics are average. Superfly and the skin makers have done a great job. I think the models could use updating so that they are more curved and smooth, but that doesn't distract from the gameplay, so no big deal.
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Originally posted by HavocTM
So, I think the graphics will get there, but the gameplay is what keeps me sending in my five bucks a month.
And this is why terrain makers are waiting, not so patiently for the terrain editor for AHII or at least the specs for terrain tiles so work can start on terrains.
LOL, a limited release Beta of the TE would even be nice.
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Originally posted by HavocTM
I think the best part of this game is the multiplayer experience. The graphics are adequate, but certainly not as beautiful as IL2:FB or Battlefield Vietnam.
But, with the eye candy on those games you pretty much get a blah multiplayer experience.
I haven't seen another game with a sophisticated and easy to use vox system like we have, or with the level of detail strategically. Also the maps on other multiplayer sims are usually very limited in scope.
So, I think the graphics will get there, but the gameplay is what keeps me sending in my five bucks a month.
Exactly, and I don't think anyone that plays both will any regularity will argue that. In fact, after playing FB's, it always amazes me that after logging into AH, within minutes, you don’t focus on the graphics, but the game play, and how great it is. And I never did not like AH1 graphics. It just feels right if you ask me, for what that means. AH2 just does not change that much, so I at least wonder what they are up too.
I think the point was if the “new” AH, sorry SuperT, AHII, is a huge update per graphics anyway. Not that I can see, aside from nice wings while looking out the side views. HTC may have added some stuff at the airfields, but none of which you mention, make any difference to me.
Is it worth the wait and no new aircraft? Hell if I know. Apparently. They didn’t dominate the market for being short sighted, so I just trust them and will start flying again, when it’s outta Beta.
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Yep, I would LOVE some new aircraft.
I want to fly that magic pt boat of HTs that I have been hearing about!
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It's amusing to me that just this morning on another NG, someone was complaining the way AHII sacrifices smooth frame rates for eye-candy (taking the exact opposite position as 13promet).
You will never please everyone, and I admit that I'm not fan of the ground terrain at the default settings (I'll play with the settings tonight and see what I come up with), but it's just not high on my priority list.
-Sik
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It might be the ground pounding. I haven't tried a GV, but HTC makes for ground stuff. Not in the likes of WW2OL, but it may play a limited roll in the scheme of things.
Not sure, don't mean to think I do either.
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Creamo, you're arugments have been polite, lucid, well thought out, and insightful.... who the hell are you and what did you do with Creamo.
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
I wasn't aware that the players were the people who determined whether or not a game should be I or II.
"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all." - Futurama
@Superfly
I'm not deciding anything, just communicating my point of view.
I thought any producer to accept any kind of feedback from its users, both positive and negative being useful for products developement.
I realize now that you guys only accept positive comments, so I won't wear my keyboard any more for this kind of communication to HTC.
@other posters
I did not say that I don't like AH2 (as i don't dislike AH1, which is the reason why I pay 15$/month for playing it without being masochist).
In fact i prefer AH1 way over FB.
I'm just deluded from the very little step ahead compared to the expectations connected to a "2" version, both about flight model and graphics.
Best regards
Promet
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Dunno, always seemed to make sense to me when I post.
Should I get political?
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To answer the original question, yes I believe that the new version deserves the II label.
1) Completely new graphics engine. The new engine handles higher resolution textures and supports particle effects and dynamic shadowing among other things.
2) Completely new damage model. Parts are aware of not only that they are damaged, but where that damage occurred.
3) Completely new modes of play. Although Classic remains the same MA-style we are used to, TOD is very different. Granted it is not part of the initial release plan, but the support for that style of play had to be built in to the base system.
4) Completely new physics and flight model. The engine behind the flight modeling was rewritten and improved.
The completion and deployment of just the first item in the list would have justified the II label. HTC has provided that and more. For a company with such a small development team, this was a huge undertaking and a very major set of enhancements to be released as the second version.
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Originally posted by HavocTM
I haven't seen another game with a sophisticated and easy to use vox system like we have,
Cough Cough !!
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Well, have you?
Roger Wilco doesn't have channels for different squads, countries, etc.
I know of no other game that has a configurable vox like we have.
Sure, it goes down if you have a sucky computer or connection, but I haven't had problems with vox in months.
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Originally posted by jonnyb
To answer the original question, yes I believe that the new version deserves the II label.
1) Completely new graphics engine. The new engine handles higher resolution textures and supports particle effects and dynamic shadowing among other things.
2) Completely new damage model. Parts are aware of not only that they are damaged, but where that damage occurred.
3) Completely new modes of play. Although Classic remains the same MA-style we are used to, TOD is very different. Granted it is not part of the initial release plan, but the support for that style of play had to be built in to the base system.
4) Completely new physics and flight model. The engine behind the flight modeling was rewritten and improved.
The completion and deployment of just the first item in the list would have justified the II label. HTC has provided that and more. For a company with such a small development team, this was a huge undertaking and a very major set of enhancements to be released as the second version.
Well said, was about to post a summary of AH2 is, and what it will be soon. Can't build a house with out a proper foundation.
AHI had reached its potential and HTC knew it, so they had to proceed to develop AHII (Bravo to them). I see so much potential for AHII now, its remarkable.
Supposedly, Aircraft design into AHII is to be much easier now and less time consuming for the devs and they have also mentioned a return to their periodic updates which is a plus. I really think by the end of this year we'll have such a different game that these arguments will be none existent, and things will be back to normal about with a slew of "balance whines."
-BM
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Originally posted by HavocTM
Well, have you?
teamspeak works good.
I have a P4 2.4 OC to 3.0 ati 9800 pro w/ 512 mushkin level 2 ram
audigy platinum ex2 audio card
and have just now started to lose vox all of a sudded !
It aint my puter people if it was it would have been happening all along .
Maybe my 4.7 Mg download 384 upload cable connection is messing up?
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Thanks for the input. Teamspeak is a real system resource hog utility. I'm glad you posted your specs.
Just so we get this right.
You have a
[size=20]A P4 2.4 OC to 3.0 ati 9800 pro w/ 512 mushkin level 2 ram
audigy platinum ex2 audio card with a 4.7 Mg download 384 upload cable connection[/size].
thanks- it will run it. If not, Maybe it's just TOO FAST!
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Lol Creamo has returned !
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PUNT!!!
C'Mon Pyro,Nate,Super... Toss Us a bone.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by NHawk
And this is why terrain makers are waiting, not so patiently for the terrain editor for AHII or at least the specs for terrain tiles so work can start on terrains.
LOL, a limited release Beta of the TE would even be nice.
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Originally posted by 214thCavalier
Lol Creamo has returned !
From under my desk LOL the little troll :D
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txmx,
If you have a pretty good sense of humor (and I know you do), you should check out this site:
http://www.landoverbaptist.org
It is a parody site and some of the stuff is a little edgy. I was raised baptist, though, and I think it's funny as hell!
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Aces High is a ball of clay, you never know what it will turn into the next day, yet you know it will be something fun! Ah2 is a fresh ball of clay, ready to be shaped further.
There i exhausted my metaphor of the day:D
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Originally posted by HavocTM
txmx,
If you have a pretty good sense of humor (and I know you do), you should check out this site:
http://www.landoverbaptist.org
It is a parody site and some of the stuff is a little edgy. I was raised baptist, though, and I think it's funny as hell!
Thats some funny crap man.
My Dad would kill me for thinking that stuff is funny.
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Originally posted by eilif
Aces High is a ball of clay, you never know what it will turn into the next day, yet you know it will be something fun! Ah2 is a fresh ball of clay, ready to be shaped further.
There i exhausted my metaphor of the day:D
Yeah its a ball of something just dont know what?
Flight model is WACKED!
I really hope they aint done with that part of the game.
I mean you try to pull out of a dive in a spit9 at275mph and it throws you into a flat spin LOL come on.
If that Is realistic please show me the statistics.
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ya its funny too see all the spit dweebs stalling for once:)
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Originally posted by txmx
I mean you try to pull out of a dive in a spit9 at275mph and it throws you into a flat spin LOL come on.
Or maybe you just meet Mr. Accelerated Stall.
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Originally posted by eilif
ya its funny too see all the spit dweebs stalling for once:)
Like I said newbie show me the stats.
275mph should be more than enough speed to create airflow to create ample lift under those big old fat wings on the spit LOL.
Not asking for a hoovercraft Just alittle more real.
And If this Is real then I would love to see the stats our how one comes up with the fight models.
Just curious thats all.
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Originally posted by txmx
Yeah its a ball of something just dont know what?
Flight model is WACKED!
I really hope they aint done with that part of the game.
I mean you try to pull out of a dive in a spit9 at275mph and it throws you into a flat spin LOL come on.
If that Is realistic please show me the statistics.
stop yanking on the stick man...it aint your donut...be easy with it
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
stop yanking on the stick man...it aint your donut...be easy with it
Hey It's my stick and I will yank It If I want to LOL.
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Originally posted by Xjazz
Or maybe you just meet Mr. Accelerated Stall.
Yes and them i met Mr terra firma:D
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Originally posted by txmx
I mean you try to pull out of a dive in a spit9 at275mph and it throws you into a flat spin ....
Really? Why, this is some of the best news I've ever HEARD!
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In fact the graphics to me look worse than AHI, because I don’t like the ground. But after selecting on some graphic settings that defaulted off, the sparkling terrain at least went away and it runs smoother.
Creamo is right on. It was the same for me. I felt the graphics were better in AHI and was very disapointed. I played with some of the graphic settings (at work so I can't explain in detail what they were). Under setup and graphics there are some detail sliders. I had them set to high detail, but when I moved them to the right (about in the middle) it made a big difference. Frame rates improved and the ground did not look so sandy or grainy. I have a lot more tweeking to do but it is an improvement.
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In all seriousness, Daddog, not because he is agreeing with something I said, makes a valid point for new AH2 users. Most like me, know him as a no BS, no agenda for any reason, BBS poster. He has a point.
I ‘think’ the first impression of AH2, with it’s ‘default’ graphics settings, might be detrimental to new users, because when I first loaded up AH2, it didn’t look right. And I can’t say for sure without uninstalling, and reinstalling to confirm this, but the default settings give a bad impression. Bad frame rates, ‘sparkling ground’ etc. With some experimenting, it came around to AH1 standards, as bad as that sounds. Can someone confirm this?
Until I messed with it, I was really disappointed. Maybe that’s something to look at. Just saying.
Kinda like having Mitsu’s sounds as a common download, not searched by users on the BBS, just a “Addon” of sorts, accessible from the HTC Download page, and advertised.
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Obviously, you don't know better because you think stalls have something to do with the speed of the wing or its attitude in relationship with the horizon. That's normal. Many people make this mistake. After all, we've all had stalls from a slow deceleration and with a fairly normal relationship to the horizon. That's about where most discussions on the subject begin and end. So, most people make the mistake of thinking that a stall can only happen if you're flying too slow or if the leading edge of the wing is pointed toward the sky.
Stalls can happen at any airspeed and at any attitude. All that is required is for the wing to exceed the critical angle of attack.
Accelerated stalls can occur at higher than normal airspeeds due to abrupt and/or excessive control applications. These stalls may occur in steep turns, pull-ups, or other abrupt changes in flight path. For these reasons, accelerated stalls usually are more severe than unaccelerated stalls and are often unexpected.
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Originally posted by txmx
Yeah its a ball of something just dont know what?
Flight model is WACKED!
I really hope they aint done with that part of the game.
I mean you try to pull out of a dive in a spit9 at275mph and it throws you into a flat spin LOL come on.
If that Is realistic please show me the statistics.
Understanding flight dynamics, including stalls and what causes them (http://www.av8n.com/how/)
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THIS thread is stupid. Please label it as such so others do not have to waste their time reading it.
Thank you. That is all.
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Originally posted by Mathman
Understanding flight dynamics, including stalls and what causes them (http://www.av8n.com/how/)
thats some "lite" reading LOL good link though